>Affleck and Joe set the record straight >regurgitated hit piece out of nowhere
Actions have consequences. And there sure as shit should be some consequences for that Lex Luthor performance.
>>223838614This
>>223838614in his defense, how do you salvage that script
>>223838700Is the "ding ding ding ding ding" stuff in the script?
>>223838700Don’t take the part! He was big enough to pass on it
>>223838479>>223838614the funny part is he was actuallyreally good for what the role was meant to bepeople are more criticizing snyders direction than harry’s performance
>>223838715>He was big enough to pass on itWas he, though? I struggle to remember what he had been in leading up to BvS. It seemed like his career had basically dried up in the latter half of the 2010s. He was literally everywhere in the first half of the decade.
>>223838780He plays Lex Luthor like a spritely imp. It's such a strange portrayal
>>223838813it was good for the role as it was written
>>223838796I think he still had that social network momentum
>>223838715>big enough to pass on itBvS was rivaling avengers in terms of hype come on
>>223838479don't these guys usually already have a ton of things lined up by the time the movie comes out ?on top of that studios don't like to admit their movie is trash so they double down and pretend nothing is wrong until people start moving on
>>223838479That movie was ass but his take on LL was interesting
Yeah, why is Variety publishing an old ass fuck interview?Is it because Ben Affleck was recently praising his time working on BvS and JL?
>>223838479they should have blackballed him because of Now You Can See Me
He's a shit actor.
>>223838940And? If he read the script and specifically his part he should’ve known it was going to be ass. This wasn’t a case of a good script being ruined by bad production. The opposite. Production was fine the script was horrific like all of Goyers garbage
>>223838813He was Lex Luthor of the techbro era. It was perfect
>>223838479I have 2 thoughts1) I agree he would’ve made a wonderful Riddler2)It’s funny watching DCU fans say “trust the process” and “be patient” while refusing to extend that same grace here. BvS was obviously a style of origin for Lex. You could tell even before the movie came out with that long hair that it would get shaved at the end and he would become more of a trad Luthor. I think one of BvS’s fundamental mistakes was trusting the audience too much. And while I don’t think Snyder and the gang took an objectively wrong approach to the DCEU I wouldn’t fault anyone for wanting a vanilla approach like the MCU. I will fault them for disingenuously engaging with the product.
>>223838479the real question is how did Zach Snyder, a talentless hack, get to direct what was supposed to be the direct challange to the biggest franchise in history
>>223839507It was simple, he got results, even if they fell short of what they had imagined.
>>223839507Dawn of the Dead and 300 made the studio a shitload of money on a very small investment.That's all you need to get a ticket to ride for a decade from the studio.
>>223839507
>>223839555those numbers are fake for the snyderverse, is that chart AI
>>223839501He's already a twerpy dork actor and having him ham it up and act like an annoying twat was too much. He had no business being near that role or that level of movie.
>>223839626They aren't fake at all, what are you talking?
>>223839637BvS and Suicide Squad didn't each make over a billion dollars
>>223839726Adjusted to inflation, they did.
>>223839636Who would you have cast?
Eisenberg sucks at acting no matter what role he plays. If he wasn't a jew he wouldn't even be in anything. He ruins every movie he's in.
>>223838479I'm glad Snyder was shut down.
>>223839749>JOOOSkys
>>223839501> think one of BvS’s fundamental mistakes was trusting the audience too much. STFU up. If anything Goyer and Snyder being hacks they are treated the audience like morons and spoon fed the idiotic plot with a heavy fist. Both Goyer and Snyder don’t know the meaning of subtly and less is more
>>223838825Shut up, Zack
>>223838479I've only seen him in Zombieland back in the day, and then that novie where he moves into a weird neighbourhood and has a kid who's an alien or something. Anyway he plays like an everyman in that movie and is supposed to be a carpenter or something. Didn't buy it for a second.
>>223839802>spoon fed the idiotic plot with a heavy fist.Is that way most morons here couldn't tell what the fuck the plot was whenever questioned?
>>223839796you know it's true rabbi don't try to hide it, he has no acting skills
BvS was just pure garbage. An hour of 'grrrr I really need to kill Superman!' then one fight and suddenly 'omg we need to be friends after all.' Also Gal Gadot. The whole attempt at a DCCU was garbage.
>>223839916it was a shitty Watchman 2.0 that nobody wanted. They wanted a World’s Finest when it came to Batman and Superman
>>223839996You don't even know what is an World's Finest.
>>223840014I don’t care about currant garage. Comics become woke shit. I know classic World Finest which is and neither is trying to kill each other
>>223839256thiseveryone in that movie should have been publicly flogged, worst film i've seen in a theater>oh look a movie about stage magic that's supposed to be based in reality>let's do a bunch of unexplained CGI bullshit tricks and retarded nonsense that only works if they're actually magic>have them be smarmy cunts the whole time>explain one trick and act like this justifies the other impossible shit going unexplained>MAKE TWO SEQUELS
>>223839802I’m not talking about the plot. The plot is very simple, it’s just another flavor of Moby Dick. I’m talking about the concept of the movie, that was fundamentally flawed. You can’t trust the audience with TDKR or The Death of Superman concepts. Cinematic universes need to be vanilla as fuck to work.
>>223838614>>223838813lex luthor is gay as hell and he should always be played as a loser
>>223838813That's how he plays every role...
>>223838479based BvS enjoyer. 10 yrs later and we never stopped showing our love for this movie
Snyder was right and Reddit was wrong on the people still talk about his movies thing though. The absolute worst thing that can happen is apathy, when the audience just stops caring. Through all of Snyder’s and WB’s bullshit people still showed up. Literally nobody pulled up for Supergirl, Lanterns got rug pulled in the third episode, and Clayface is a dead end. The international audience already up and left.
>>223840074My favorite part was in the opening there are CGI blankets that twirl around on the stage and I was like, wow so this is the level of believability? Ok. Then they pay the janitor in the skyscraper to somehow turn the floor lights into an image? uhh ok I guess.also the two FBI agents a man and woman are bickering like han solo and leia and im like oh god please.... turn it off
>>223840080> You can’t trust the audience with TDKR or The Death of Superman concepts.WTF you talking about! Yes you can but you have to build up to it or it’s meaningless. You especially don’t ram them both into a single fucking movie. You can’t have Batman and Superman fighting each other without the long history the two characters shared. You can’t kill off Superman in his second appearance and expect people to give a shit. Look how people reacted to Iron Man dying in End Game. See the difference?
>>223838479A new DCU movie is out this week and Variety is dropping a hit piece at the now dead DCEU because Affleck & Manganiello decided to talk about their postive experiences with it. And this isn’t even real news, this is from an article years ago. How badly is Gunn seething right now?
>>223840064Every meeting between Superman and Batman is them fighting each other, this since the 80s.
>>223840232>Manganiello releases book that shreds some light on cancelled Batfleck movie>Affleck gets asked about it>turns out everyone wanted to see it happen>meanwhile Gunn is going to release ANOTHER flop that nobody cares aboutlmao
>>223840222>You especially don’t ram them both into a single fucking movie. You can’t have Batman and Superman fighting each other without the long history the two characters shared.You absolutely can and you are proving my point. Superman and Batman are the 2 most established heroes ever. Snyder trusted the audience to understand the mythos. The same exact way Gunn said you don’t need origin stories anymore. You don’t need a Batfleck movie beforehand. We aren’t going to sit here and pretend Batman VS Superman wasn’t hyped as fuck.
Remember that BvS was such a hit, it was even used to promote The Batman during its release.
>>223838614And yet, the writer of that atrocity kept working. After that the did Terminator Dark Fate btw.
>>223838479He only ever got big parts because his sister was famous.
>>223838479Sad considering his performance in the social network
>>223840306I would’ve liked to see Manganiello‘s Deathstroke and a Batfleck movie. However I’m not going to act like this is the one that got away. They were struggling to put together a decent script along with flaky ideas like killing off Gordon. Regardless of Ben’s experience with Justice League if he had something he was really excited about that movie would’ve found a way to happen.Now if I was doing a Batfleck movie today I would literally just do Hush and cast Matt Damon.
>>223839501Shaving his egghead isn't anywhere near enough to turn him into Luthor. The movie would've been so much better if the role was played by a real man, not this sniveling mess
>>223840427Idiot. Superman origins been done before on screen. This was literally the first movie Superman and Batman were in the same movie! If Snyder wanted to skip the meet up of them then he could’ve had it where they already knew each other. This is what Gunn is doing. His Superman and Batman already will already each other. In this not only do they not know each other, hade zero history, Batman off the bat wants to kill his ass
>>223840676So what you’re saying is Snyder shouldn’t have trusted the audience?
>>223838479what do you expect when your performance is:>MMM BOYS!
>>223838479Snyder's DECU was such a failure that Batman v Superman alone made more than James Gunn's 2 first feature films combined, and that's without adjusting it for inflation
>(((Eisenberg)))
>>223840780Not about trusting the audience. It’s shitting writing and abs you can cope all want. Strip out all context and expect anyone to give a shit about two characters nobody is invested in hackery 101. In any scriptwriting book or class BvS should be used as an example of what not to do.
>>223840064that is the current World's Finest run. there is a flashback issue of when they first meet they initially dont trust eachother but by the end they realize they make a good team
>>223840887Then why is the movie so beloved and you still have discussions about it here? I don't see anyone discussing Civil War, for example.
>>223840846BvS not making a billion at height of superhero shit will always be a gigantic failure. Fact Joker, R rated movie with no budget made over a billion and BvS couldn’t is why Snyder is a hack
>>223840905Only beloved by you Snyder losers. Nobody gives a shit about that movie
>>223840916>BvS not making a billion at height of superhero shit will always be a gigantic failureBlame WB.
>>223840950It’s a conspiracy all of Snyder’s shit fails. Fired from the WB, Netflix and now his recent piece of shit movie is so bad he can’t even get a distributor
>>223839983>Save Martha...>WHYDIDYOUSAYTHATNAME>IT'S HIS MOMMY'S NAME>GRAAAAAAAAAH WE ARE BEST FRIENDS NOWFucking hell, what a dogshit movie. I can't believe I paid money for the premiere.
>>223840950Joker had no critical backing and was hated by them for for a chud movie. Made a billion
>>223841057BvS walked, so Joker could run.
>>223840950And when Rebel Moon failed? And when the Last Photograph failed? Sneederfags are so retarded. It’s always someone else’s fault.
>>223841100Dan Lin was appointed as the new Netflix boss, and it is well-known his dislike for Zack Snyder. So, what happened with Lin? He caused Netflix to lose a massive amount of viewership and pushed the company into the red, which led to his firing this past weekend.They're saying Michael De Luca and Pam Abdy are going to be hired as the new bosses, and i bet you that eventually will we see sequels to some of those Snyder's projects.
>>223841057downvoted by critics for being a pro incel movie, upvoted by the people for being a pro woke movie
>>223840798>#whowillwin
Wasn’t Dan Lin one of the candidates for the DC job?
>>223841173Joker wasn’t woke. It becoming a chud movie is what caused faggot Joaquin to want to do Joker 2 as a fuck you to the people that made the first one a success
>>223841587Yes, he was. He was going for the job when Walter Hamada was fired, just before Gunn and Safran convinced Zaslav.
>>223841152>Everyone is against Snyder! The head cannon you faggots have to come up with is hilarious. No, the fact all his shit falls off a cliff has nothing to do with it
>>223841775The truth is that Hollywood turned on him because of 300 and never let go of the hatred.
>>223841804Nobody turned on him. He’s had more chances than he’s ever deserved. Fact be even got a Netflix deal after tanking the DC brand is proof of that. If he made shit wasn’t expensive as fuck and didn’t tank after a week because of horrific word of mouth he’d still be with Netflix
>>223840846bvs sucked ass. gunn's movie also being dogshit wont change that fact.
>>223841804how did they turn on him? and how did that prevent people from watching his worldwide releases in theaters?
>>223841849>Fact be even got a Netflix deal after tanking the DC brand>tanking the DC brand
>>223839259Not only that he should have some self awareness and know he's a terrible fit for lex even if the script demanded someone like him
>>223840281>Every meeting between Superman and Batman is them fighting each other, this since the 80s.C'mon man
>>223841925In the cartoon you shared a picture from, they began as enemies and stayed frenemies for a while before gradually becoming friends.Not to mention that in this cartoon Bruce fucked Lois' puss before Clark could, which left Clark malding.
>>223841906Who said I like Gunn you Snyder fag? Fact is Snyder ruined the DC brand beyond redemption. Gunn making his bullshit slop at this point. DC over. MCU will continue to dominate
>>223841960I didn’t mention Gunn, but it’s pretty obvious from the graph that the DC brand began to decline when WB executives decided to move away from Snyder’s somber style and opt for stale, goofy humor after Shazam.Which is made more obvious when you see that their biggest wins, Joker and The Batman, were far away from that style they were insisting on.
>>223841956Superman and Batman always been like brothers. Day and night. One is optimistic the other is stoic. Like Captain Kirk and Mr Spock. When they fought in Dark Knight Returns they weren’t trying to kill each other. Batman actually setting it to fake his death and Superman was going easy on him. It was just two friends who drifted idealistically. BvS Batman wanted straight up murder Superman and was going to until Superman cried for his mommy
>>223841990I can make silly graphics without context like how MCU was destroying every Sneeder DC movie at that time. Not with A listers like Spider Man but with talking tree and raccoon.
>>223842034You say that, but I think you’re a casual who doesn’t know the history of their first meetings. Even in the 50s, during the first reboot, Bruce and Clark started out at odds before teaming up to save the cruise they were on. In the 80s reboot, written by John Byrne, they were again at odds in a story mirroring the dynamic of TDKR, published a few years earlier, where the US president at the time, Reagan, asked Superman to apprehend Batman. Things eventually worked out, but DC editorial kept them separate and as frenemies for a long time. Superman wasn’t even allowed in team books like Justice League. It wasn’t until the 90s that they began to be portrayed as friends, starting with Zero Hour and culminating in Morrison’s JLA run.
>>223842102I don’t care about all the endless reboots of them first meeting. From the behaving they always be pals. They were dicks to each other at times for comedic reason since shocking comics were made for kids. Never did try to kill each other unless one was under mind control some bullshit
>>223840281Separate from Synder specifically, that whole concept is beat to fucking death, was only meant as a one off alternate universe take and has harmed both characters long term.
>>223838614>Eisenberg plays EisenbergHe is a one-note kike just like Jeff whatever from the Fly and Jurassic Park. Can only play himself in every role.
>>223841990>WB executives decided to move away from Snyder’s somber style and opt for stale, goofy humor after Shazam.It’s not even that. It’s the fact that they just gave up on Superman and Batman and the whole Justice League in general.
>>223842242BvS was about Superman and Batman meeting for the first time. Historically, their first encounter has often been depicted with them initially at odds before slowly becoming friends. In ZSJL, they eventually become friends.
>>223838614Name an actor who could have made that script workJesse Eisenberg plays "Smarmy, neurotic Jewish guy who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room" in every movie he's ever done, I blame the casting director for making him Lex Luthor and thinking he was going to do anything else
Obligatory reminder that capeshit is shit.
>>223842291You’re right, please show the comic where Superman destroys half a city and Batman is a on a mission to kill Man of Murder
>>223842308>"Smarmy, neurotic Jewish guy who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room"That was what they were looking for, though. They explicitly made him Jewish in the movie.
>>223842270That scene from The Fly where his teeth fall out is pretty awesome.
>>223842308They wanted Mark Zuck
>>223842339Not everything matches the comics, of course, but complaining that Superman and Batman don’t start out as super-pals is silly, especially given the history in the comics.
>>223839256impossible, nobody could see him anymore
>>223842371Who said they had be pals? Being at odds at first isn’t the same is I want to find Kryptonite and make a spear with it and stab him in fucking heart with it.
>>223838479I liked BvS Ultimate Edition and I liked Eisenberg's role as an ADHD tech overlord obsessed with killing God because of irrational personal reasons. Shit, Gene Hackman or the animated Luthor did a good job as the "traditional" Lex Luthor anyway. Although I hear that new Superman movie had a good Luthor .
Has anyone else noticed Zack Snyder’s weird obsession with making all his villains super zesty? Even when they’re completely straight in the source material, Snyder dials up the flamboyance, while turning the heroes into absolute bastions of classic masculinity.Look at Watchmen. Comic Ozymandias is a stoic, built guy, yet in the movie he’s prancing around his lounge like a catwalk model. Compare that to NiteOwl II. In the comics, Dan is a pudgy, pathetic middle-aged fellow, yet Snyder casts Patrick Wilson, an objectively handsome, charming guy. You look at his strong jawline and warm, soulful eyes, and you’re supposed to buy that he’s a loser?In 300, the contrast gets even crazier. Xerxes goes from a bearded king to a nine-foot club promoter in gold chains who walks up behind men just to rub their shoulders. Meanwhile, the Greek heroes are pure, unfiltered machismo. Look at Gerard Butler and the Spartans in nothing but tight leather briefs, just peak alpha males with rock-hard pecs and cut abs, completely oily and glistening in the hot sun. When the camera slows down on the sweat trickling down their bronze chests and thick thighs as they grunt together like carved Greek gods, you just nod and think, yeah, that’s what being a straight guy is all about.By BvS, he isn’t even subtle. Lex Luthor is reduced to Jesse Eisenberg acting sassy and gay, while the heroes are peak no-nonsense manliness. You have Henry Cavill’s overwhelming physical beauty, shirtless, broad-shouldered, with full lips and a thick, glorious mat of dark chest hair that looks incredible to rest your cheek against. And next to him is Ben Affleck looking like an absolute foxy silver daddy, all salt-and-pepper stubble and glistening muscle doing pull-ups in a dark basement. You just sit there biting your lip, wondering why Snyder makes the villains so gay when we could cut Lex entirely and just watch Henry and Ben wrestle in the rain for three hours.
>>223842875There is homoerotic shit in Snyder movies and why jeets and spics love him. They all have this weird fixation on cartoon level masculinity. Think Rob Swanson I eat steak but i’m a manly man shit but next level. That’s Snyder where all his heroes are like the beach volleyball scene in Top Gun and so manly the villains want a piece of it
>>223838479good. he was awful and never should have been in it. ruined the film
>>223838479which is worse?>goggle eyed fag dogshit unrecognisable riddler>whiney nasal beany faggot screeching unlex notluthor
>>223842320I don't watch it but you're boring>>223842366He's not an actor you fucking idiot. Do you mean Jesse's portrayal of him? Learn to communicate/ think
>>223843071That's a trick question, Snyder is the blue print after all.
>>223842875I'm selling my dick pics, Anon. Onky 5 bucks a piece. Email me if you're interested.
DCU came for Superman fans and I didn’t speak upThen DCU came for Green Lantern and I didn’t speak upNow DCU is going for Fourth World fans, and there’s no one left to speak up for me
>>223842270yes
lessons from BvS:1. arch villain should not be younger or look younger than the hero2. villain should not be zesty as pointed out by (>>223842875)3. story should be as simple as possible with at most 1 twist or manipulation (lex's plan was long and retarded. complex without being smart)4. there should have been a standalone batffleck movie before BvS5. they already had a good story from the animated series, just use that6. lex should be larger and imposing, not some techbrolist is much longer than this but too sleepy to type it out
Blueprint
>>223839796back to plebbit, disgusting vermin
>>223842412Complaining that Batman wants to make a Kryptonite spear to stab Superman in the heart rather than just "being at odds at first" completely misses what Zack Snyder is adapting. Snyder pulled directly from DC's biggest comics, not just the obvious visual parallels to The Dark Knight Returns, but Grant Morrison’s Arkham Asylum and its Jungian fight with the shadow, which is the exact reason Bruce is plagued by nightmares and uses a spear to hunt an outside entity perceived as a "dragon" when he is actually hunting his own demons. He combined that with Alex Ross’s Peace on Earth about the unintended consequences of trying to do good, the Trinity comic featuring Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, Final Crisis showing what happens if the worst comes to pass, The Death of Superman about the death of an American icon, and Kingdom Come, alongside parallels to Excalibur and the JFK assassination to show the downfall of a beautiful era. All of this was done to deconstruct these heroes as a mirror for the downfall of post-9/11 America, asking whether a traumatized country can face its demons, find a way out, and be rehabilitated, with the movie's answer, at least for the DC heroes, being a clear yes.
>>223839737>muh inflation
>>223838479His Lex Luthor was kino and a massive pleb filter
>>223842270>He is a one-note kike just like Jeff whatever from the Fly and Jurassic Park.Why would someone want Jeff Goldblum to be anything but Jeff Goldblum?
>>223840887>Strip out all contextThe movie provides all the necessary context. Alfred spends the first half of the movie explaining the current state of the Batman character. And then Bruce's introduction shows explicitly how and why he'd come to consider Superman a threat. What did you think was missing? Did you not understand why they were in conflict? Because the movie articulates their difference of opinion multiple times in multiple ways.
People who complain about his Lex Luthor are missing the point.
>>223842875>Xerxes goes from a bearded king to a nine-foot club promoter in gold chains who walks up behind men just to rub their shoulders.what "bearded king?" movie xerxes is identical to the one in the comic.
Eh you kinda need the zest with how stoic Cavill was. Obviously Eisenberg’s Luthor wouldn’t work with Corenswet who’s a whiny baby.
>>223838614should be a broadcast execution
>>223843389Fact you are asking this shows how little you know the characters. That Snyder turned every character into WatchmenBatman-Rorschach a paranoid psychopath Superman- Dr Manhattan and completely detached form humanity to point he aura farms as everyone dies in court house Lex-Ozymandias who frames Superman with explosion Wonder Woman-Silk SpecterDoomsday-Squid Monster which gets everyone to come together and fight
It's telling that haters don't even know what character he played in that film. Protip: it was Luthor's son not Luthor himself.
>>223838479He was the best and arguably only good part of the movie
>>223843641That is where Snyder tried way too hard, people don't want to think this much while watching a movie, I don't want some random 65 year old famous actor to be his father that idea is gay. As a Lex performance trying to be different I actually didn't hate it. Its not even that far off from the Hackman Lex from Superman (1978) where he is a bit flippant and has brains not brawn.
>>223843127I have no idea what you're talking about, man. Keep those to yourself, I'm not interested in men at all. I'm just pointing out a bizarre pattern in how the guy directs his movies, no need to make it weird.>>223843403Fair point, I mixed up the historical bearded depictions with the comic. Even in Miller's panels, Xerxes already looks like a guy who just walked out of an underground BDSM club. Still, Snyder completely overdid it in the movie. In the comic he mostly just stands there looking imposing, whereas Snyder directs him to purr into the mic and slowly caress Gerard Butler's oiled-up, muscular shoulders from behind while Leonidas just stands there with his jaw clenched, looking all rugged and stoic.>>223843570I get needing a foil for a stoic Superman, but did Snyder really need to make Jesse's Lex that zesty just for the contrast? And on the flip side, did he really need to make Superman and Batman so unreasonably hot just to sell the traditional masculine hero angle? You don't need Lex prancing around to appreciate how imposing Henry is when he's brooding in the rain with that chiseled jaw and wet curls, or how effortlessly rugged Ben looks filling out a tailored three-piece suit with those broad shoulders and that heavy, intense gaze. It just feels like overkill when the two of them already command the entire screen just by standing way too close and staring into each other's eyes.
>>223843703>people don't want to think this much while watching a movieAgreed. Look at the current state of film.
>>223838614>sure as shit should be some consequences for that Lex Luthor performance.An Oscar?Eisenberg Lex was goodLeto Joker was good (but the damaged tattoo was too much)
>>223838813>>223838825People always seem to forget that he’s not playing Lex Luthor. He was playing Alexander Luthor using his father’s name.
You Snyder losers and “it was just too deep” are hilarious. It’s as stupid as “Supergirl bombed because it was too deep for normies” Who the fuck you kidding
I just find it hilarious how every thread discussing this guy's movies always turn the same way. Decades of this shit.
>>223843789Is anyone saying that? No? Then maybe you should ask yourself why.
>>223843843It didn’t appeal stupid brown people
>>223838479it will always be funny to me that DC could've easily made a shitload of money and good movies, but they chose Zach Snyder and he made a mess, and then they kept choosing shitty directors to make things worse.
>>223839501no he just shouldn't be in any of it at all. he isn't an actor.not sure why you people think the riddler is supposed to be an aids patient.
>>223838813One of the most important aspects of Lex is that he's capable of owning any room he's in, and Jesse nailed that in a completely different way than people expected
>>223843823So true hahaha Ever time
>>223838700theres always been a good actor in shitty movies, irregardless of script. he fucked up. simple as
>>223842270Every actor plays variation of themselves just different costumes. Even Daniel Day Lewis is just Daniel Day Lewis but slighty idiotic young Daniel Day Lewis doing an irish accent. Or boxing Daniel Day Lewis. Or artfag Daniel Day Lewis somewhere in the dunes kissing is own daughter. Or manic angry Daniel Day Lewis rambling about drinking your milk shake. Or historical Daniel Day Lewis wearing top hats. All just Daniel Day Lewis.
>>223843730you're an incredibly boring cretin.on and on and on and on. fucking kill yourself
>>223843869yes, like a twisting, mawing spastic 'owns' a room when it's wheeled in.
>>223843641Nah it was Luthor, and that’s okay
>>223843611While BvS is undeniably a deconstructive movie, essentially framing the DC pantheon as different facets of a post-9/11 America, with Bruce representing trauma-driven, preemptive-strike paranoia and Clark representing the geopolitical fallout of well-intentioned interventionism, reducing it to a 1:1 rehash of Watchmen completely misses the point. If anything, when you put the two side by side, BvS operates as a direct refutation of Watchmen.Comparing Superman to Dr. Manhattan gets his characterization completely backward. Manhattan’s tragedy is that his omnipotence makes him genuinely detached and indifferent to human life. Clark’s main problem in BvS isn't that he doesn't care, it's that he cares way too much, even when he tries to convince Lois (and himself) that what people say about him doesn't matter. He isn't "aura farming" in the burning Capitol; he's standing there paralyzed by crushing guilt because every death in that room feels like a personal failure he should have prevented. His entire arc is about the unintended consequences of trying to do good in a cynical world and his unresolved guilt over what happened in Metropolis. That's why dismissing Doomsday as just a stand-in for Ozymandias's squid misses the thematic core of the third act. Doomsday is literally the corpse of Zod brought back to haunt him, a physical manifestation of Clark's "sins" from Metropolis and a dark reflection of the exact unchecked, apocalyptic monster the world accuses him of being. Where Watchmen concludes that heroes are broken, humanity can only be united through a cynical lie, and its god-figure should just abandon Earth, BvS uses those same deconstructive pressures to argue the opposite. Clark confronts the literal monster made from his past trauma and willingly gives his life for a world that spent the whole movie against him.
>>223838479> He was born to a Jewish family in Queens, New York, with Polish, Ukrainian, and Russian roots.
>>223839796Shalom aleichem
if he couldn't afford to turn down roles why didn't he turn down the social reckoning?
>>223843960Didn't read
>>223843611That doesn't answer my question>how little you know the characters.I don't care about comic books. Stop treating it like an extension of your capeshit, and approach it like a film instead.
>>223843960The same applies to calling Batman a knockoff Rorschach. In BvS, Bruce’s descent into a "paranoid psychopath" isn't framed as cool, it's an explicit critique of police brutality, the extrajudicial overreach of the War on Terror. Between branding low-level criminals in Gotham's slums, torturing suspects, and literally paraphrasing Dick Cheney’s "One Percent Doctrine" to justify a preemptive strike against an alien refugee, the movie treats his mindset as a moral rot born from trauma and powerlessness. What separates Batman from Rorschach is that Rorschach is defined by his total inability to change, choosing to die rather than compromise his black-and-white psychosis. Bruce, on the other hand, goes through a Jungian confrontation with his own Shadow straight out of Grant Morrison’s Arkham Asylumcomic. In the Morrison's notes for that comic, he explains that Batman pinning Killer Croc with a spear represents the mythological dragon-slaying, subduing the primal beast of his own subconscious. In BvS Bruce builds the Kryptonite spear convinced that Superman is the existential "dragon" he must slay to give his life meaning, only to realize at the fatal moment that he is the monster in the room, standing over a pleading man just like Joe Chill stood over his parents. Throwing that spear aside is the ultimate refutation of Rorschach. Bruce undergoes a literal Paul of Tarsus conversion, the relentless persecutor is struck down by grace and transforms into the chief apostle who goes on to build the "church" (the Justice League) in the savior's name. It’s the exact same trajectory Morrison used across his bibliography, deconstructing and exorcising the grim, hyper-violent 80s/90s post-Frank Miller take on the character specifically so he can heal, find his heroic spark again, and be reconstructed into the noble, collaborative leader of Dennis O'Neil's 70s run and Morrison's own 2000s JLA comic. >>223844122I don’t care.
>>223843941No, it’s not. Lex flat-mount tells you he’s not his father, that the company isn’t even named for him. He also signs his name as Alexander. If that’s not enough, he says, “Dad named the company after himself,” and Luthor’s father is named Lionel.
>>223843960>>223844261Great posts, fren.
>>223839191He did some good clean raps.
>>223838780when were you when heat legend was kill
>>223844160As a film is a bloater mess written by stupid guys that think they’re smart. Pic related mogs muh deconstructive capeshit in every way. Even Glass was better then this shit movie
>>223843356>muh cope
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>>223844299Since you enjoyed it, i might as well finish my posts by adding what Snyder did with Wonder Woman.Reducing Wonder Woman to Silk Spectre like that anon did is just a surface-level reading of the movie. Laurie is a reluctant second-generation hero defined by her mother’s baggage and her romantic ties to the men around her, whereas Diana’s role in BvS is anchored in her history as a disillusioned World War I veteran. In the film's post-9/11 allegory, she embodies the lost idealism of America. Representing the generation that fought the "good war" to end all wars, only to suffer profound loss and watch humanity immediately plunge into decades of endless bloodshed anyway. Carrying that trauma and disappointment, she checks out of society altogether, retreating into isolation because she’s convinced mankind isn't worth saving. Her arc is about confronting that century of grief and realizing that she not only can, but needs to be part of the world again, that despite everything she saw on the battlefield, men can still be good. When she boards that plane and walks away from it to join the fight, she is actively rejecting her cynicism and inserting herself into a conflict between men to unite them. It’s a direct echo of Darwyn Cooke’s DC: The New Frontier, where a battle-hardened Diana becomes jaded by the ugliness of post-war geopolitics before returning to inspire a new era, combined with William Moulton Marston’s original 1940s wartime vision of the character as a mediator who binds destructive masculine forces with the Lasso of Truth.Instead of remaining a detached bystander while the world tears itself apart, she literally tethers Doomsday with the lasso, holding the line so Bruce and Clark can finish the fight together. By the time the movie ends, the disillusioned veteran who spent a hundred years hiding in the shadows has found her faith in humanity again, stepping up alongside Batman to use her experience as the shepherd of a new generation.
>>223838479this jew is such a shit actor, he sucks in every movie he's in and the movies he takes suck
>>223838479Regurgitated hit piece in this instance means he said something when speaking at the BFI at the weekend and people reported on it accurately
>>223844592Ladies and gents, I give you the least pseud of Snyderfags
Good.Director needs his ass kicked for making these autistic ass decisions.
>>223839218They aren’t. He just spoke about this publicly at a film festival on Sunday
>>223839737Which means they didn’t
>>223844592Finally, equating Lex to Ozymandias just because he frames Superman with an explosion ignores what the character actually represents. Veidt is a cold utilitarian trying to unite humanity against nuclear annihilation. Eisenberg’s Lex is the exact opposite. Like the other characters in the movie he embodies America, its systemic corruption. The unholy marriage between lobbying-bought political institutions, the military-industrial complex, and Silicon Valley surveillance capitalism. He operates like a human algorithm, turning people into data points, harvesting dirt, and locking Bruce, Clark, and Diana inside custom-built echo chambers of tailored outrage just to turn everyone against everyone. Where Veidt operates on detached geopolitical math, Lex is warped by an abusive father into believing that innocence is a fraud, that you can only be powerful by sinning, and that everyone is hiding skeletons he can leverage or buy off. When he can't buy people, he destroys them, waging a literal war on Truth, Justice, and Mercy through the three women he targets: trying to silence Lois (who investigates factual 'Truth'), assassinating Senator Finch (who refuses his lobbying and champions democratic 'Justice'), and sacrificing his own assistant, 'Mercy', when he blows up the Capitol. In Watchmen, Ozymandias’s cynical manipulation wins, the heroes are outmaneuvered and compromise their morals to protect his lie. In BvS, Lex’s entire philosophy of polarization and control collapses because the heroes breaks out of his echo chambers to reclaim the exact three virtues he tried to murder: Diana steps out of a century of hiding to bind his monster, an embodiment of lies, with the Lasso of 'Truth', Bruce pulls back from the abyss, drops the spear, and spares both Clark and Lex in his cell to reclaim his 'Mercy', and Clark willingly lays down his life for the world, becoming the literal cornerstone for the 'Justice' League. >>223845136Glad you see it.
>>223844592Good stuff. Have you ever attacked MoS/BvS from a post-911 geopolitical perspective? I posted my analysis a long time ago now, but it basically boils down to this:>Clark: the invisible immigrant>Superman: the visible immigrant>Bruce: the American “son”>Batman: the American soldier>Lex: the Global elite>Zod: the fanatical extremist (Al Qaeda)>Doomsday: the “resurrected” fanatical extremist (ISIS)>Lois: the world of the future>Diana: the world of myth>Martha: the world that nurtures>Senator Finch: the world as it is (truth)
>>223843775how the fuck am i supposed to know that? also it was still gay lol
>>223839555Suicide Squad made more money than Batman vs Superman? A bunch of C-list Batman villains made more money than two of the most famous superheroes on Earth fighting each other?
>>223845509Don’t even waste your time with Snyder losers. They’re brian dead.
>>223845398>>223845398I definitely see it across both movies, and especially in Man of Steel. Your breakdown of Clark vs. Superman as the "invisible" vs. "visible" immigrant alongside Zod as the fanatical extremist hits the nail on the head, in fact, when you look at how the plot mechanics of MoS bleed into BvS, the entire two-part arc functions as an allegory for the post-9/11 Muslim experience and the geopolitical trauma between East and West.Even your parallel between Doomsday and ISIS tracks with the literal plot of the third act. Just as Western geopolitical meddling in the aftermath of 9/11 inadvertently mutated the remnants of old insurgencies into ISIS, Lex steps into the foreign ship, takes the corpse of the original extremist (Zod), mixes his own blood into the chamber, and engineers a mindless, apocalyptic abomination to validate everyone's worst fears.
>>223845606Brian, top marks for not tryin'
>>223838479Neither did I, he sucked
>>223843775No bro he's not Fat Tony he's Fit Fat Tony
>>223839796Should you be fighting a civil war right now?
>>223845429Well, “Lex” flat says it in the movie. To be fair, it’s a detail that would really only stick out to people who know comics history. It’s not just that he signs his name as “Alexander” as seen on Bruce’s gala invitation, it’s also in what he says about the company being named after his father. In order for that to be the case, that makes the “Lex” we see the original’s son - Alexander Luthor, as the senior’s father’s name was Lionel. I liked that aspect, because in the comics, Luthor Sr. is depicted as having come from a poor family with an abusive father. Lex’s statements in the film as well as him opting to have his head shaved at the end comes off as commentary as the generational “disease” of abuse as well as how frequently men from such backgrounds frequently end up becoming like their fathers.
>>223845696My favorite bit is how the one of the first actions we see Doomsday take is destroying and “idol” to a false god. The other aspect of him that relates directly to the nature of fanatics and terrorism is how he absorbs damage, explodes, and mutates into an even more violent form.
>Jesse Heisenberg
