just watched this last night. why did they make a movie about a guy getting anally fisted by everyone in his life (apparently sometimes literally) for 2 hours straight just to make him look like the bad guy for retaliating and then have him getting stabbed to death at the end with zero comeuppance or redemption?
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>>223862927You know why. Joker 1 was resonating too much with the white chuds. They just had to make a humiliation ritual sequel to kill the fandom. This is why joker 2 is non canon. Everyone pretends it never happened. Also as s a movie, it is only being mentioned for its alleged rape scene as a joke
>>223863453ThisSame reason they added smurfs instead of Blood Elves to WoW Forever. Can’t add a white race to a game anymore.
>>223862927They really could have rode the hype train and ended their second film on high notes. Instead, it was anti-hype.
>>223863453Could also be that it wasn't just an attack on audiences, it was rebelling against the studio. Where Phillips disagreed with a sequel being made at all, so he made it weird/bad on purpose, similar to what was done with Matrix Resurrections
>>223863453>>223863475You're just a narcissist that thinks decisions are made like this specifically around you>>223863565Joker 2 was a legitimately great arthouse movie, it was not weird/bad on purpose
>>223863453I almost feel like Philips made the 2nd film at gun point. There's no way he didn't see people celebrating De niro getting shot essentially acting as himself, a pompous dick. Also everyone loves to claim mental disability and relates to it.
>>223863591>legitimately greatIt wastes Gaga's version of Harley Quinn. The subtitle "shared madness" is a lie, the movie doesn't explore that or develop her, she's merely an excuse for the musical numbers to happen
>>223863591It fucking sucked even as an art house movie. The numbers weren't memorable, the entire movie was just stuck in falling action.
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>>223862927fag film for fags made by fags. if you saw it, you're a ____
>>223863453i though todd phillips was a white chud and cries about woke cancellations 24/7?
>>223863591>Joker 2 was a legitimately great arthouse movieit’s objectively a terrible movie. yes it’s ok up until the end but the ending makes the entire movie pointless and the entire first movie pointless as well. literally nothing happens it’s jus him getting fucked and fucked and fucked then getting stabbed. no arc or story at all
>>223863644why would it develop her? arthur wasnt interested in her as a real person>>223863656it was an art house movie, who cares if the musicals are "memorable" are you a woman?>>223864077arthouse movies dont need to have traditional arcs or stories, but joker 2 still had an arc. arthur made the difficult choice to heal himself in prison and to not continue the cycle of violence. that doesnt magically mean he would be free from repercussions for his past acts of evil either though
>>223862927Joker 1 resonated with a group of people the left hates.So they had to destroy their own creation (Even if it's just the movie Taxidriver) to "own the chuds"Which is ironic, because Joker 1 is about a socially awkward/mentally unwell guy that's getting kicked around by life. OF COURSE it's going to resonate with people who feel the same.To these Hollywood liberal fucks, who bitch about poverty in their 25 million dollar mansions, they didn't think people like Fleck existed in the millions.The same exact thing happened with Homelander. People unironically liked him, so the final episode had to be a humiliation ritual.
have you heard of a spite house, or spite architecture more generally? this movie is cinematic spite, directed by someone who hated that he had to make it in the first place and served to people who he despises for misinterpreting the original.
>>223864728he did want to make it though? both him and phoenix said they wanted to do a sequel before the first movie was even released
>>223863592Are you underage or just ignorant? Todd Phillips has a history of hating his own fans if they don't "get" his movies. See the Hangover sequels for proof basically the same thing that happened with the Joker movie. He loves pointing out that if you liked aspects of his movie he didn't intend for you to like, that you're a bad person and deserve to be unhappy.
>>223865131You said it yourself. They wanted to make a sequel before the first movie was released.Then the reception came, and they hated the people who liked it.Why do I need to explain this to you? Holy fuck, are you retarded? Do you have ADD?Are you happy that I had to talk in broken, short sentences to get to your level? You fucking mongoloid. Goddamn. Fuck you.
>>223864077>it's okay up until the endcompletely revealing you identify with joker and took personal offense to him getting raped. news flash faggot, no one liked the joker, he's a delusional schizophrenic and every scene where he thinks there's a mass movement supporting him and mobs of people wearing clown masks and cheering for him are his fantasies. Joker is a movie about a shitty little dumbass who snaps and is immediately taken to prison. Joker 2 reveals that he gets in there and gets raped. you are not the joker, you're a faggot coward too afraid to try at anything
>>223865253>it was all a le heckin dream kys
>>223865253>every scene where he thinks there's a mass movement supporting him and mobs of people wearing clown masks and cheering for him are his fantasiesyou’re retarded
>>223863565>it was rebelling against the studio.We will never know for sure, but the scene where Arthur runs away from his joker fans in the movie is definitely a hate jab towards the audience.>>223863591>You're just a narcissist that thinks decisions are made like this specifically around youNot really, but movies are usually made with moviegoers in mind. This one got greenlit because the 1st one made huge bank with a small budget>Joker 2 was a legitimately great arthouse movie, it was not weird/bad on purposeNo, its not. Its an unessesary and a spiteful sequel that was made to kill the joker 1 fandom.There was nothing really to tell in joker 2. Its just misery porn from start to finish. Joker 1 is also a misery porn, but Arthur gets to break his chains and have "his moment" as a joker. His story perfectly concludes with him in the madhouse.I knew it from the first moment they announced that sequel that its going to be bad. Call that a seasoned movie goer's intuition. >>223863592>I almost feel like Philips made the 2nd film at gun pointCould be. Some Hollywood handler of him probably thought Joker 1 was "too successful" and forced Philips to make a shit sequel. But Im thinking it was just Todd Phillips himself because joker 2 reeks of self loathing.>>223864034>i though todd phillips was a white chudTodd Philips is a jew
>>223862927They never wanted to make a sequel. There’s something genuinely hilarious about using a massive corporate machine's own greed to fund arthouse trash.Hollywood is full of directors whining about studio interference, but Phillips and Phoenix took the keys to the kingdom, looked at the studio executives who begged them for more product, and essentially said, "You want content? Here’s $200 million worth of a broken man singing show tunes, getting dumped by his fandom, and bleeding out on dirty linoleum. Enjoy the box office."It's the cinematic equivalent of lighting the money on fire in the middle of the room—pure, spite-fueled artistry.
>>223863591The movie was terrible. It felt rudderless and had no spark to it. There's no development when it comes to Arthur and its just him ruminating on bullshit instead of evolving into Joker. His relationship with Harley is barebones and it seemed to go out of its way to subvert the previous film and betray the character. Shit is shit and calling Joker 2 arthouse is retarded.
It's a capeshit that's a musical. It takes that concept 100% seriously, when it's the stupidest thing ever and just shows they're scraping the bottom of the barrel on ways to try and subvert audience's expectations on what a cape shit actually can be. It just ends up being uniroinc parody
>>223868415Retard take. Batman has almost 100 years of storytelling behind it and just because something takes place within a comicbook universe doesn't mean it's capeshit. You're just low IQ and confuse using buzzwords with having insight.
>>223868437>just because something takes place within a comicbook universe doesn't mean it's capeshitJoker is absolutely capeshit
>>223868449Superficially. Capeshit has a spectacle to it that wasn't present in Joker.
Because we live in a society that rapes clowns
>>223863453It’s weird though because the real message of that first movie was “hey, let’s be better to each other”.
>>223863453>joka 2>non canonHoly cope>everyone pretending it never happenedYes, everyone with a joker tattoo pretend it never happened but we still laugh at you and Joker is now officialy The Raped.
>>223868689No it wasn't. The message was that people are generally shitty and there's a teeming underclass that has the potential to erupt into chaos if given a spark.
>>223862927jews got really really really scared after the first movie, their response was to...RAPE IT
>>223868347Thank you Chat-GPT
