>17 years in the making>$100,000,000 budget>$5,000,0000 at the box officeIf they made this with AI it would have cost $100,000 and taken 3 months. It probably would look better as well.
>>223941262They can't blame marketing because they have been blasting ads for this for well over a month everywhere.
Phil Tippett rapes Travis Knight.
>>223941262>If they made this with AIIf 'AI BAD' is being used as a marketing slogan for a movie or show, assume that it's going to be overrated mid shit. Cough cough...Guillermo Del Toro's Frankenstein...cough cough.
>>223941262It's been two days
>>223941337In my experience, talented artists are excited about AI because it is another tool in their tool kit and their goal is to make their art as good as possible.Meanwhile, untalented artists publicly renounce AI because they want their bad art to be called good just because they have a moral objection to a tool that could be used to make it better.>hey I know this thing I made is bad, but I didn't use AI, therefore it's good.
>>223941262I prefer my stop motion to look more gnarly and rough-around-the-edges actually.
>>223941298The problem is that it's an animated children's move but it is rated 12's. It's supposed to be a movie that parents take their kids to. Like Super Mario Galaxy or Toy Story 5. But they can't because of the rating.Who is even the market for Wildwood? Teenagers who are going to go to the movies by themselves?
>>223941394Kek no
>>223941394Kek yes
>>223941413Middle schoolers
>>223941413It's for stop motion enthusiasts and people who grew up on Coraline. The movie opens up with a character committing suicide.
>>223941394Exactly, I love watching and supporting animators on YT. But everytime I click on a video and a 'NO AI WAS USED IN THE MAKING OF THIS VIDEO. ONLY HUMANS' disclaimer pops up in the beginning I turn the video off. It's so smug and corny. It's infuriating.
I picked up Wildwood in the library once, looking for something for my kid to read. It’s girlboss femslop from page one.
Just say you hate art
>>223941447That's right. It's like they are preemptively making an excuse for something being bad. It's "virtue-signaling marketing" and "pity marketing". Gimmick marketing like this wouldn't be needed if you could stand by the quality of your work.>hey guys I didn't use AIyeah? well maybe you should have because your video sucks.
>>223941480AI sucks, what are you talking about. Using it for anything creative is always a worse product and denotatively not creative at all. It's regurgitating actual art.
>>223941337Christ, I remember this. Guillermo's autistic "fight" against AI while marketing his Frankenstein movie. Only for the movie to be nothing but digital effects, smooth cinematography, and terrible performances. Just like AI. Not to mention that the movie just ended up being dumped on Netflix, who are doing more damage to the film industry than any AI company.
>>223941507>doing more damage to the film industry than any AI companyI now support Netflix.
>>223941262Digger and Wildwood bombing makes me hate Americans.Now Hollywood is just going to open the floodgates on AI slop and you retards will pay to see it if there's recognisable IP involved.
it's a nepo studio, they couldn't care less about turning a profit all and all it's a way better way so spend an inheritance than the typical hookers and blow
>>223941262It's not surprising, everyone predicted a massive loss.It's animated so it automatically isn't going to appeal to most western adults, yet it's too violent/heavy for most children. It's a bizarre movie for nobody and it makes sense that nobody is watching it.It's also so fucking beautiful that it hurts. I could hardly believe what I was seeing. Seriously considering watching it again, it wish it had some PLF showings.>>223941394Absolutely nobody wants to watch an AI movie. Even the chinese (who are infatuated with AI in general) didn't want to go see the AI movie that was released in cinemas there, it bombed.I'm open minded about light use of AI to support and speed up human craft, but it has a tendency to creep further once introduced so I understand when someone has a zero tolerance policy.
>>223941551>Absolutely nobody wants to watch an AI movie.I liked this one.https://youtu.be/scxMmk-2HKg
>>223941551>Absolutely nobody wants to watch an AI movieEveryone is already watching AI movies. It's just that the large studios have budgets high enough to disguise it so they can trick the retarded luddites. Anyone who has used Seedance 2.5 and has watched Clayface can easily see that the movie was at least 50% AI generated.
>dude it’s just another tool in the toolkit! Why wouldn’t you want that?>my toolkit currently
>>223941447I read this and, literally, what I see as I open YouTube.
never heard of it
>>223941738reddit is down the hall and to the left
>>223941756>hey guys, here is content that is objectively shit, but because I appose a tool that could make it better, the content is therefore good.These luddites are so retarded they make me only want to watch things made by AI
>>223942007>appose a toolLike a thumb?
/tv/ needs flags, immediately
>>223942168Hey good point. I meant 'oppose' of course, as you know. My mistake was not using AI to make my post. That spelling error wouldn't have happened and the post would be better. From now on, I'll always run everything through gen-AI to make it better.
>>223941756We need to nuke all of BlandTube. Bland bastards do more damage to society than Islam.
Why the fuck does modern stop-motion (and animation in general) cost a gorillion dollarinos to produce? Genuinely curious.You've got video games that are produced on similar budgets that have 2x or even 3x the length of these movies in cinematics/cutscenes, not to mention all of the gameplay elements.How does $100,000,000 go into this crap?
>>223942298It took 17 years to make. What amazes me is at one point they were:>8 years into production>$45,000,000 down the hole>and they weren't even half way finishedAnd, somehow, the studios didn't pull the plug. or it was just money laundering
>>223941551>It's also so fucking beautiful that it hurts. I could hardly believe what I was seeingWhen they were marketing the film I thought it was odd that they showed so much behind-the-scenes stuff, but then when I saw it I realised it's because you genuinely would not believe it was simply stop-motion otherwise, it looks phenomenal.
>>223941756>>223941447I always assume it's aspiring "youtubers" crying about AI. Literally buy my mix tape/wanna be rappers of white people. You're gonna make it Timmy one day just keep going Most that complain about AI are already consuming valueless content. No one cares that your stupid "art" influencer was never real. Or that your ASMR girl tricked you. The drawings you keep in a backpack as a grown adult are absolutely fucking worthless,, who would have guessed
>>223942298Labor intensive, takes a long time, and everyone involved gets paid Portland salaries. If you ever do the math on how much it costs to do salaries, and insurances for that many people it adds up quickly.
>>223941262It's PG13, what did they expect?
>>223942501That's where they fucked up. It's the kind of movie parents take their kids to see, but their key audience was excluded because of the rating.
>generic portal fantasy/isekai story>quirk chungus quips >stop motion stops being impressive after a few minutes
>>223941262I bet you it would've done much better if the protagonist didn't look like a clay doll of Elliot Page
>>223942355Well, considering the company (Laika) was founded by one of the original co-founders of Nike for his son, who serves as CEO, produces, and director for the company and its films, I can't really say I'm upset. It's just the family's money really, and they're giving a lot of niche artists jobs so fuck it I guess. Not to mention the films aren't by any means bad, I loved Kubo and the Two Strings.Just seems mismanaged and I'd honestly hate to see the whole thing get shut down.Travis Knight seems like a fun enough dude, but like every movie he's ever been involved in flopped horribly.
>>223941535>Why didn't you happily eat shit? Now they're gonna make slop instead!
Laika has bottomless "fuck you, I make what I want" money. So they make what they want. Some of it will attract an audience of millions, some of it will attract an audience of thousands.They shrug and plot to make the next thing they wanna make.
>Digger and Wildwood bomb>Spiderman and Odyssey rake in a billionI hate the general audience
>As of July 2021, Knight has a net worth of $60.8 billion.[47] In 1990, Knight founded the Philip H. Knight Charitable Foundation Trust.[48] As of 2016, according to Portland Business Journal, "Knight is the most generous philanthropist in Oregon history. His lifetime gifts now approach $2 billion."[49] In 2023, Knight was America's second largest donor with $1.2 billion in giving.[50]>Knight is a registered Republican and a frequent contributor to Republican political candidates in Oregon. In 2010, he donated $400,000 to Chris Dudley, the then Republican nominee for Governor of Oregon.>Knight occasionally supports Democrats, however; in 1986 he financed Neil Goldschmidt's successful campaign, and in 2014, he donated $250,000 to the re-election campaign of Democrat John Kitzhaber.[120][121]>He donated $3.5 million to Republican Knute Buehler during the 2018 Oregon gubernatorial election.[122] Regarding this donation, Knight criticized the unfunded Oregon Public Employees Retirement System and the general fiscal state of Oregon, implying Democratic governor Kate Brown was at fault.[120]>While Knight is generally reluctant to give interviews, he spoke with the New York Times in October 2022 regarding his support for Republican candidates. He argued Oregon's government had drifted too far to the left and described himself as "more conservative than Nike," responding to criticism of him backing an anti-abortion candidate which apparently contrasted with the company's image of supporting progressive social justice causes.[126]Seems like a pretty cool guy.
>>223942463We also now have a generation of iPad kids who now coming to the realization that doodling on a tablet isn't a viable career route. I don't see AI taking any plumber's jobs.
>>223941262what's so bad about it scarring the kids?
>>223942562it's demoralizing to witness. just proving over and over again how worthless audiences are
>>223941453Seems to be the main issue with most big productions these days. Creatives in the west have lost the ability to tell compelling stories and instead fall back on trite pandering aimed at performatively aggrieved blacks, queers, and women. Blacks and queers aren’t actually a wide audience so in the end their only audience is Afluent White Female Urban Liberals who are coincidentally the people making all this crap.
>>223941535It went to shit 15 years before AI slop became a thing. You’ve just found a convenient scapegoat to blame for the industry being crushed by libtardation
>>223943034philistine faggot
>>223943762meanwhile live action Moana and Lion King make billions
>>223941262The guy who owns Laika knows these movies are a money pit he doesnt care
>>223941262Is this actually good? good enough to go see it in the kinoplex? I love coraline but haven't seen (or really heard about) any other laika film. How bad is the source material here?
>>223941262>ITT salty, talentless losers that cling on to hope that AI will make their shit ideas into profitable mediaSorry, Gurkhdeep you need actual talent and skill to succeed as an artist, not "Claude, write a movie script for me, make it good".
>>223944619that's right, all successful artists are skillful and talented. if you disagree, then you're indian
>>223941262>both threads on tv and co are basically dead>movie gets less discussion than the other slop released this monthDamn i thought people were generally hyped for laika stuff, guess im out of touch even with the non normalfag crowd.Anyway the art and animation was absolutely gorgeous, no stop motion movie will ever compete with this one in terms of that, but man the writing was pretty fucking weak. A lot of the dialouge was cringe and cliche, there were multiple plot points that didnt matter or didnt really go anywhere, a lot of the movie was just traveling back and forth between locations to get exposition dumped on, and the story itself was fairly predictable.This feels like a common trapping with passion projects that are in production for so long. Its like the ideas have been stewing in the directors head for so long he just keeps adding more and more to the plot. The movie felt like a mini series or a trilogy cramed into 2 and a half hours of screen time. Pretty disappointing for something i was so excited for, but atleast i can appreciate it for its art. Some would brush that off as style over substance but in this case id say the style is the substance.Also im not one to care that much about woke shit but i did roll my eyes everythime they inserted it into the writing, it felt really forced and out of play for a movie about magic and nature to have a drag queen story hour sign on prominent display in the opening.
>>223944849agree 100%. far too many boring or annoying characters who stole screen time from more interesting ones. the humor and dialogue were awful (the coyote rolling around for a full minute, reddit marvel dialogue), the music was forgettable, and the writers couldnt help themselves with the woke shit (multiple gay couples, the dad emphasizing HE SHE THEM, drag queen story hour).the movie is hard carried by the visuals which are incredible. that being said the movie would bomb regardless. the average american prefers reboots and sequels.
>>223941394This saar all the great Bharatti artist love AI, pls senf baooba
>>223941262The PR Firms are out in force on Reddit, pushing this movie.Most Redditors, HATE AI. Scream about supporting HUMAN ARTISTS because only HUMAN MADE ART HAS SOUL!!!>Won't go to the cinema to see a meticulously crafted stop-mo film, that's really fucking good, because they spent all of their money on HRT and SRS. Go Figure
>actually good movie comes out>/tv/ is filtered out by it>"HURRR WHY DIDN'T THEY USE MUH AI!?"Non generative AI products will be like gold in the coming years. /tv/ can watch the next Indian project made with ChatGPT in theaters. Meanwhile, actual connoisseurs will appreciate the art that comes out every now and then.
>>223941262Who wants to watch this gay pretentious shit? These animation faggots are so cringeworthy
>>223945324i can count on one hand the number of good movies that have come out this decade, so AI can't really make the situation worse
>>223945284>>223945348>>223945350You will always be Indian
Whenever an anon tries to shill AI to make their own movies i can now see their efforts herehttps://youtu.be/JQ7j7XIW1zo?
>>223945386You will never be a woman>So I guess we're even
>>223941453i once made the mistake of reading a twilight book, i think it was the second one, and when i say reading, i flicked to a random page and started out of curiosity, i had no interest in the story, i was just curious about the actual pacing and writing structure from an analytical perspective. Never in my life had i read such amateurish drivel, poorly written, navel gazing slop for teenage girls, that apparently captivated millions of grown women instead. It was like reading a short story that the ditzy airhead girl that endlessly gossips in your high school class was forced to write by the english teacher. I was stunned, genuinely, i didn't realise how inferior many women were to the male intellect until i read it.
>>223941394>>223941447This I don’t care if it was made by humans or AI as long as it looks/sounds good. People that hate AO are just threatened that their art sucks and that other people will be able to make something better than them with AI. I can’t wait until AI is good enough to put shit artists out of business
>>223945386I'm not pro AI slop, why are you lumping me with them? I'm only pro AI when it comes to science and coding but not for artThe thing is these cucks make a whole deal out of this shit like anyone gives a fuck about it, nobody likes stop motion animation unless it's Robot Chicken
>>223941551>Absolutely nobody wants to watch an AI movieBitch, there are several AI soap operas on Tiktok with hundreds of millions of views. AI feature length movies are still in their infancy, once they get more refined they'll absolutely have an audience. You sound like an old boomer who saw hand-drawn animation being replaced with CGI and said "nobody wants to watch this, it will never be popular"
>>223942355>foundedyou mean ripped the beating heart out of Will Vinton's body.
>>223941394Fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai
>>223945562>you mean ripped the beating heart out of Will Vinton's body.This Anon knows Ball.
>>223945586Is that what you moan while you're dilating?
>>223945562meant for >>223942543
>>223941262bait
>>223944619>Claude, write a movie script for me, make it goodlol this cope always makes me laugh. When you use AI as a tool you don’t just use 1 prompt. When making an AI generated movie you’d use thousands of prompts and thousands of generations and edit them together. Obviously AI isn’t good enough for that yet since it can’t remember characters, props, and settings between generations. But one day you’ll be able to consistently generate settings and characters make a consistent movie one generation at a time.
>>223941394>In my experienceYou're a stupid person, so why would anyone care?
>>223941262They smoothed, modified and enhanced so much with cg they may as well made it cg.
>>223945324>nooooo ai bad because it’s all made by jeets, you have to consoom jewish Hollywood slop because… you just have have to consoom the kike propaganda, ok?!
>>223941551>It's also so fucking beautiful that it hurtsHow much of what you are captivated with is by hand or by cg?
>>223945636I care more about his opinion that yours, tranny
>>223941551AI is flooding into my Chinese microdrama slop and I do not like it :/
>>223945742Ya, because AI sucks right now. One day it will be good enough you won’t be able to tell it’s AI thoughbeit. It’s already like that now. Tons of AI bad fags get tricked into saying they like AI generated paintings more than human ones, thinking they’re picking the human made one over AI.
>>223945802AI doesn't really suck anymore, it's just not as good as the 99.9th percentile people who get paid big money to make AAA entertainment
>>223945861It may or may not suck. Point is, it’s not good enough to not be obviously AI in video or photorealistic images. And it’s not good enough to string together a series of generations to tell a cohesive/consistent story, but one day it will be. Hopefully in our lifetimes.
>>223944590>good enough to go see it in the kinoplexYes. I was hyped for this and it lived up to it.As others have said, the writing falls a little bit short, but it's so beautiful and soulful that you won't care. The characters are ridiculously expressive and fluid and alive.also there's a thrill in watching a movie that doesn't seem to know/care about its target audience or age rating. It kind of swings between kid-friendly adventure and hard pg13 quite unpredictably. There were a few kids in my screening and nobody left so I hope that becomes a more widely tolerated thing in the future.
>>223941394>talented artists are excited about AIThat makes exactly 0
>>223945729I know it's a slightly blurry line due to the 3D printed faces and some CG to extend crowd/battle scenes and all that. But I don't think they're being misleading when they call it handcrafted, there's a bunch of behind the scenes stuff showing the physicality of it all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LQtdkfpkQA
Should've made it CGI and it would've done betterMost people think stop-motion looks ugly
>>223941262I'm an animation obsessive, but I've never really been into stop-motion stuff because even the best of the medium just doesn't look very good. There's something genuinely enrapturing about high-quality 2D animation, and even 3D animation has a lot of that magic, but all this faggotting around with dolls just isn't that interesting to actually look at. I guess how much work they put into it is impressive, but at the end of the day, I really don't give a shit how much work they put into it. I want the movie to look good and capture my imagination. I want to see animation that provides something BETTER and MORE IMAGINATIVE and MORE CREATIVE than reality, not just a detailed collage of it. The hidden secret of animation that nobody wants to admit is that the movement really doesn't matter. What does matter is having attractive character designs, an appealing visual presence, and strong writing in both plot and dialogue. There are 60s cartoons with $15/episode budgets that understood this and are still beloved pop culture icons to this day. Despite all the effort put into it, will anyone remember Wildwood in January 2027?I imagine most other animation fans are like me, and are why nobody gives a shit about this thing beyond a few dull internet people.
>>223946660lmao is every single stop motion animator a white dude?
>>223946669it was knowingly produced at a loss because most people are cattle
>>223946756Apparently not since most people didn’t consoom the pedowood goyslop
>>223941262Legit use of daddy's money. Laika is a nepo baby project.
>>223942355>somehow, the studios didn't pull the plug.Its a passion project from an autistic billionaire literal infinite money
>>223944590Its a mixed bag. The movie is obviously gorgeous and is the pinnacle of stop motion animation and will likely be seen as that for years. Buuuut the plot is rushed, the dialouge is often cringe or quipy, plot points are dropped or are pointless, and the structure of the film is the girl gling from place to place getting lore dumped on with an occasional millennial therapy session scene thrown in. It has all the makings of an instant classic, but the script is so weak it fumbles pretty hard and cant tie it all together in a satisfying way.
Is it girlboss shit? I got a fatigue
>>223944849Wtf i literally posted this in co on friday after seeing the movie. Im flattered you agreed with me enough to repost this its just fucking jarring to see lmao
>>223947584i don't know who set out to murder every good scriptwriter in the world, but they were very thorough
AI is fucking awesome and helps me do shit every day and ports retro vidya on PC, I don't care that some art school redditor is out of a job
>>223946676>im an animation obsessive>procedes to talk about how much he doesnt care about animationYou admit youre part of the goy cattle crowd but lack the self awareness to fully realise it. Sad
>>223947614Not really, the mc gets rightfully shit on pretty often. Theres one overtly girlboss moment at the end and thats pretty much it
>>223941413It's not a children's movie
I should have known better than to expect this board to appreciate a good movie.
>>223942623me too. they all deserved to bomb
>>223949032Grown adults aren't going to go see a stop motion animation movie
>join 5 ai discords>70% of users are indians, jews and some trannies>generared content channels are all blacked porn, troon blacked porn and futa blacked porn>leave in disgust
>>223949084this isnt a good movie. highlander 2 on the other hand....
>>223941262can't copyright ai creations
>>223941394>talented artists are excited about AI because it is another tool in their tool kitStop raping your sister, sam
>>223949388Thats cool, its still not a childrens movie
>>223949084I really wanted to like the film, but its just not that good anon
>>223941413>>223949032>>223949388If it IS a children's movie, what's with all the cruel bloody violence and suicide and grief and infertility?But if it ISN'T then what's with the magical forest, the talking animals, the slapstick humour, the goofy sidekick?In an ideal world we wouldn't have an arbitrary binary "children's movie" vs "not children's movie" distinction, and everyone would enjoy movies with a wide variety of mediums and visual styles, and adults would happily watch "childish" things and children would be encouraged to watch "challenging" things, and maybe we wouldn't even have the concept of a target audience at all.But the world we live in demands this crude distinction and wildwood struggles to fit in either bucket. That's going to severely affect its box office potential but laika seem to be at peace with that.
>>223942650thats hilarious but not surprising a CEOs son is not a bleeding heart liberal
>>223941262>17 years in the makingWhat the hell?
>>223941301What the fuck is this shit?
>>223950786Mad God
>>223941262It's because they put sodomites in it. They glorify Satanic imagery and liberalism.
>>223941262Laika movies have never made money and that's never mattered cuz it's just nike money funding people's passion projects via a founder's son. I think "wasting" nike money on high effort art is based.
>>223941262Everyone here is so retarded about this, only the poster looks like AI, the movie looks like hyperealistic stop motion animation. Stop calling this AI or should be AI. Just because AI can do that NOW what was this guy going to do 16 years ago idiots?If this is the final stop motion movie ever because of AshittyI then it went out with a bang.
>>223950261I guess what you’re saying is there’s no audience for this confused money laundering flick.
>>223950261You wont have much luck dispelling false dichotomies and arbitrary binaries around here, but I do agree
It was real pretty, but undercooked.The characters were kind of flat.The music was nonexistent, and the audio mixing was so bad i thought my theaters speakers were busted.Cool worldbuilding and graphics tho.Oddly violent, PG-13 was a mistake.Few minutes after the Cocomelon Movie preview an animated child was committing suicide
>>223941262They keep picking the worst shit to adapt. For God's sake, at least do The Hobbit before you shut down.
>>223951005>high effort artIt's just faggot shit
