false dichotomy. what movie does to you what the anon says here about books? better yet, what director's intentionally create more resonance and mind explosion than even books can do? Think: Lynch / Kubrick.
Neither. Plato was correct about art. It corrupts and negates true beauties.
>>223943551none 2bh... so i guess they have a point. i've seen some of the best in film and can only admire the achievements in a detached way. while i've had my mind blown by mid booksi appreciate the principle behind "show don't tell" but the telling, the spoon-feeding, the insight into minds or omniscient narrators just can't be beat by the audio-visual format, i don't think
>>223943573why are you here then? why not in nature with the squirrels and the owls whom eat them?
>>223943608>none 2bh... so i guess they have a point. i've seen some of the best in film and can only admire the achievements in a detached way. while i've had my mind blown by mid booksI accede your point, perhaps its been too long that I've touched a book.
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>>223943817well slopped. touche.
>>223943573You read what he postured and you just know some artchad mogged him hard some day and he never got over it.
>>223943817wow, Plato sounds like a retard>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T LOOK AT ART IT MAKES YOU NOT BOOTLICK THE KING
>>223943868may I see this great beauteous art?>gets oedipus rexah very deep>>223943874yes
Most movies. I like books but they are very forgettable to me.
Babylon 5 and I, Claudius are the only shows I know of that feel like a book. Perhaps the extended cut of Dune counts. But really it's just Babylon 5 that gives me that feeling.
>>223943886>shitting on oedipus rexI see he contrarianism of this board is so deep people are seething about 2500 year old tragedies.
>>223943817grow up
>>223943551I wouldn't say there are any films that achieve more than what books can do, but there are plenty of films that reach the intellectual, emotional and spiritual heights of the great works of literature. Both mediums have something to offer that the other can't.
>>223943573He never said that. If he did, cite which line of which discourse anyone ever said that. The Republic seems to argue art is very important to humanity but without proper guardrails could be used to corrupt and brainwash.
>>223944119Right here:>>223944136
The best books, movies and vidya are the ones that utilize the medium to the fullest.Stendhal snd Dostoyevsky can not work as film or vidya because they rely on internal psychological movement, NieR Automata can not be a book or movie because it relies too much on interactive mechanics for it's substance, good movies that incorporate body horror and startles can not really work as vidya or books etc
>>223943902oh yeah despite the fact that it's shot like a modest stageplay i found i, claudius super moving
>>223943551>booksthe earliest form of brainwash and propaganda known to man
>>223945232no that was speech. Full literacy in a country is a more modern standard.
>>223943817So you never read it just like the faggot who created that picture.Got it.
>>223945329yeah, the stories told. books were primarily used only for the so-called "elites", then, they were used to brainwash the masses via the massive push for the increase of literacy rates. then came radio, TV the internet and so on.
>>223943817The only one of these Plato ever argued was art can corrupt morals if there isn't censorship. That was it. The rest he never argued or said, on the contrary actually he said art was an important part to the makeup of a man and can teach you about truth and majesty in the universe, and art should seek to express truth of our nature in all it's diversities. It's crazy an image like the one you posted exists without and footnotes sourcing where Plato said it but then again that's just the internet today, lies everywhere.
>>223945417so Plato was a dunce, controlling faggot.
>>223945393Yeah I think the world would be 100x better if we went back to only oral and auoral communication.
>>223945433maybe, but there's nothing wrong with the tool, but how it's used and for all of these it is almost always used FIRST for propaganda, brainwashing and control.
>>223945431No he recognized art was a major contributor to the corruption of ethics, morals, and civics, so in his theoretical 'perfect' state, the state would have control over what can and can't be published. The USA used to have it too with the Hayes code, and it's no suprise it's abbolition has lead to the decline of American morals and society.
>>223945457in other words, he couldn't mind his business and leave others thee fuck alone.
If you have a good imagination then it literally doesn't matter. You'll still be playing in your own head way more often than you're watching or reading anything. These kinds of arguments are made by people with poor imaginations bragging about things that don't actually make any real difference at all.
>>223945464Socrates (by extension Plato) was asked in the Republic what would constitute a perfect state in his opinion and one aspect of that was the control of artistic publishing. It was all theory. He left others alone. He was right though.
>>223943551The issue with television and film is it’s 99% Jewish. There are plently of gentile authors with great works to their name. The same can’t be said for tv. It’s almost all spiritually debased Jewish smut. There is plenty of depraved smut in the /lit/ world but it’s overshadowed by 500 years of classics that lay a foundation that is not fundamentally corrosive the way television and film are.
>>223945487doesn't really matter to me, other than to know and understand that these retards were just nosey controlling fucks who couldn't mind their fucking business and leave others the fuck alone. no different to two groups in the world today, whites and kikes. always interfering and trying to control others.
>>223945497Well said. I barely watch TV anymore outside of a few of the greats (Gunsmoke chief among them) and just read otherwise.
>>223945505He wasn't trying to control anyone anon. He was asked a question and he answered it. Try to remain calm. No one is controlling you right now, are they?
>>223945457Don't bother dude.
>>223945521you believe that kek
>>223945505>fuck fuck fuck RAGHGHHH!!!sounds mlike it matters a lot to you. You sound angry.
>>223945527Believe what? That no one is controlling me? Yes, I do believe that. I have complete control of every action I choose to make or not make in my life. Everyone does. Any other belief would be schizo-paranoia.
>>223945505Before we brought you out of the darkness you were literally eating each other. You should be endlessly grateful to us for showing you a potential your brutish and animalistic nature.
Behold, I give you /tv/'s debate
>>223945541you're just mad that I'm not a regard, like you, who thinks discussing Plato and Socrates makes me cultured. portentous faggot.>>223945550that they'd what happened and it's of any importance.>>223945558>wekek this moron literally thinks he is an shares identity with his overlords and masters because he's white. absolute fucking retardthank you all for illustrating my points. you're all brainwashed morons
>>223945577>t. BEGGAR
>>223945558>we>usyou don't do SHEEEEEEIT!
>>223945588kek pretentious girly mouthed faggot folding his girly arms and responding scornfully.
>>223945591I invented vaporwave
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>>223945640I'm the white guy on the front of that macintosh album. Donna Summer.
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>>223945558random faggot on the internet taking personal credit for the achievements of a few pedophiles and rapists from ancient civilizations and empires. jfc this deserves it's own HBO series
>>223945487>he was right thoughanon Socrates was literally executed by the state for "muh corrupting the youth" and refusing to conform to societal standards. saying Socrates was right in defense of state control and censorship is a complete retardation just saying
>>223944239true, if a book merely described eva's perfect tits it wouldn't do justice compared to seeing them, while books would do better describing her thoughts of needing to show them
>>223943551the book side needs the glass shitting eating scene from gravity's rainbow, or the arab being shot because of the sun in the stranger.
just read a book every once and a while, retard
Plato AI will direct The Republic it will be wonderful!
