So does this show pretty much prove everyone who ever said>Star Wars should be a simplistic fairy tale in space and never explore anything deep or intricate in it's setting completely wrong?
Darth Vader wouldn't have allowed rape
>>223950531Why
The show was schizo and is a good example of why modern television will always be fucking feces as long as a writer's room is involved.>Gritty working class story about the spy from Rogue One working through the underworld of Star Wars with deep tension and urban elements>Oh shit, now we're randomly off in the woods in some jewess written story with our main character off with a bunch of fucking fags and having some repressed homosexual attraction with some faggot in the woods>Why? Cause fuck you, that's why. You will never get a decent or coherent TV show or movie ever again.
>>223950500Firstly, if anything this show proves them right because Andor was fucking trash.Secondly, fairy tales are supposed to impart important real-world lessons in a simple format so that even children can understand them, which the original six Star Wars films did perfectly.Andor is a midwits trying to write something intelligent and lecture the audience. Star Wars is a genius trying to simplify things for the masses, while also entertaining them.
>>223950500Star Wars should be something that both kids and adults can enjoy, not a serious attempt at le facism for 40 year old Wookiepedia manbabies to soi out over.
>>223951245>Andor was fucking trash.Andor is widely regarded as one of the best pieces of Star Wars media ever made on par with the OT. There's no comparison here.
Andor is actually more true to Star Wars than anything that came after, in that it works because it's directly ripped off from great movies that came before.The best parts of the first season of Andor (aka the only good season) were clearly knocked off from the Battle of Algiers.
>>223950500no because this shit still isnt good. its just COMPARITIVELY good compared to the rest of the literal dogpoo that is star wars catalogue. if this was not attached to the star wars IP, people would rightfully acknowledge it as mid.
>>223951371>Andor is widely regarded as one of the best pieces of Star Wars mediaBy normies who either don't like or don't understand Star Wars.
>>223950562Because if he can't get any, no one else will.
>>223951245>Andor is a midwits trying>Star Wars is a geniusWhat the fuck are you babbling about?
I don't even know how anyone can say Andor was good. It was just the same scree from the kikes at Yidsney as everything else.
>>223950500>https://youtu.be/WzP_fQW4bZc?t=132>>223951245 >>223951428So trve.
>>223950599>some jewess written story with our main character off with a bunch of fucking fags and having some repressed homosexual attraction with some faggot in the woodslol whut?
>>223951718The first few episodes were written by a goy White man and then the next few episodes were written by some kike women. This is when the show flipped from interesting underworld urban kino to some weird gay as fuck boring story where the main character is now literally randomly in the woods with some repressed faggot attraction story with someone fucking faggot in some band of merry men or whatever faggot shit the jewess writer was babbling about. I tapped out there. Fuck it. One of the most schizo things I've seen in a modern television show and a great example of why modern television will always be worse than AIDS. Because there will always be some kike or some fag or some completely fucked in the head retard in the writers' room to drag it down. Also you're getting a story from 12 different voices instead of just one coherent voice in modern television which is why it's schizo as shit with modern writing rooms.
>>223951794>main character is now literally randomly in the woods with some repressed faggot attraction story with someone fucking faggot in some band of merry men or whatever faggot shit the jewess writer was babbling about.I watched the show twice and I can't be sure what the fuck you're talking about. Lol, are you referring to the lead-up to the Aldhani heist? If so, please get some help. If that chuddy assessment is what you got out of those episodes, you are completely mindbroken and need to reset your brain.
>>223950500Two or three eps into this, one has tp pause to appreciate how much better it is than all modern SW crap.>inb4 contrarian samefagging by op
>>223951934You can go finger your axe wound to this show or whatever faggots like you do. I told you twice, if you're incapable of reading comprehension, I think you should 42%.
>>223951794>>223951941Ah, yes, there is OP, with his setup for a contrarian "hot take".Pointless cocksucker.
>>223951966You're retarded and always will be. Sad!
>>223951794>>223951934I mean, pic related are lesbians, but nothing that happens in the plot proceeds in the schizo way you described about "repressed faggots" or "fucking faggots" or "some band of merry men". Put the phone down, zoom zoom, and lay off the Andrew Taint vids.
>>223951971Not even the OP. What is this seething tranny going on about? They're going to kill themselves because no one liked their retarded jewish abortion of a TV show?
>>223950531I don't think the intention here was that Imperial law allowed that officer to rape a random girl, but rather that it's a corrupt regime with weak institutions where bad people far from the capital can get away with anything.
>>223951987What is this faggot kike tranny babbling about? Lesbians in Star Wars? They're not even attractive.
>>223951988>more "hot take"ok, OP.
This thread is as bad as the show.
>>223951966>finger>faggots>42%Am I a foid, a fag, or a troon? My guy, you're seething so hard, you can't even get your insults right. Consider a digital detox and go read some books and touch grass for a few days.
It makes sense the people who like this show don't even know who made it. Also explains why they're watching streaming shit in the place and probably goes a long way towards explaining why they're complete failures in life.
>>223951988You've never been loved.
>>223952028>Thinks troons and faggots are different thingsLol, sad. Your parents will bury you under your dead name, faggot.
>>223952048Everyone you know is ashamed of you. Pathetic.
>>223952004>not even attractive
>>223952018Hey, sherlock, who do you think is spending all day posting these threads?These are not user threads, for the most part. Employees are making these and commenting in the threads...many times as the the "hot take contrarian" to increase engagement.
uh oh, Andor melty
>>223950599What the fuck are you talking about anon
>>223950500It isn’t Star Wars. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
>>223952167It's the story of how the death star flaw made it to the rebellion.Do you have any idea how much fucking SW lore is in print?Just shut your stupid fucking contrarian face.
>>223950562nazis actually prosecuted each other for raperussian commies on the other hand....
Andor isn’t even what would be described as woke. It plays the same notes as the OT and specifically the implied spycraft among the Rebellion. It also showed how normal people related to their place within the empire and the highlights of the show are in the subtle details and minutiae. The prison episodes with Serkis are pure Star Wars. The writing is incredible in the overall narrative and there are many memorable characters. You faggot MAGA anons injecting trans narratives into everything are worse than the most annoying woke scolds you constantly rip on.
>>223952167It is Star Wars.I watch it for /ourguy/.>name is Syril Karn>played by Kyle Soller>eats Corn Cerealbased.
>>223950500it would've been so cool if this show was about star wars instead of some commie analogy to current day trump america
>>223952214>The prison episodes with Serkis are pure Star WarsThey're pure Kino Loy
>>223952248Buzzword buzzword buzzword. Get some new material, bitch!
>>223952248>commie analogy to current day trump americaExplain how you came to this impression without coping out with trite "uh...it's OBvious".
>>223952248It’s not, you colossal faggot. Play a new note.
>>223952338>>223952330>>223952311commie trannies mad
>>223950500Isn't Star Wars just a rip-off of Dune?
>>223952383>uninformed opinion>>"what makes you think that?">hurr, u mad
Just join the dark side, he he
>>223950599Did you accidentally watch an episode of a different show halfway through and just not realise
>>223951371>people who don't like star wars love the show that's barely anything like star warsWow, you don't say anon? That's amazing.
>>223951428>>223952531>WAHHH IT DOESNT HAVE MUH HECKIN LIGHTSABERS SO ITS NOT STARWARS!!!
>>223952200We already have that story.>Leia had the plans>gives them to R2>Luke & Han rescue her and take them to the Rebellion>they study them and work out the inherent weakness in itHaving an entire movie where we have a guy go "you fools I deliberately made it with a secret hole that if you shoot it it blows the entire space station up" and then having two seasons of shit leading up to how the rebels found out about that guy and his insane plan is far worse than just having it be an oversight or a design flaw like it was originally.It makes the rebels look incompetent because they weren't able to work it out for themselves.
>>223952591No, it's just gay and boring like all nu-wars shit. It's a different show wearing a Star Wars skin.
>>223952631>Nooo where's muh 80s sitcom characters and laser sword duels so heckin boring!!!
>>223952645Okay retard. Your show is still faggot shit.
>>223952663Andor hater BTFO'd.
>>223952670How? I'm not watching it.
>>223952676>I'm hating on a show that I haven't watched and subsequently know nothing about because of thatThat's... not the argument you think it is.
>>223952631>NoNot an argument
>>223952613History is a collection of small stories, like Andor.YOU look incompetent.
>>223952486Has the super cut been made yet?
>>223950500They referenced the Rakatan Infinite Empire from the EU, so that’s good enough for me
>>223950500This show is incredibly overrated. All the disney star wars slop is bad, including this.
>>223951428i can promise im more of an authentic Star Wars fan than you are and I think Andor is certified Star Wars Kino.
>>223952248the only stuff that can be construed as heckin modern allegory was the first few episodes of S2 where they're hiding on the wheat planet and the imperials are checking for undocumented laborersotherwise it's just a tyrannical government acting tyrannically.
>>223953544this and the Force Unleashed sith armor cameo
>>223950500Someone posted a scene from this show and it was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen
>>223950500>>223951398>>223951371doesn't matter if normies consider this one show good. Women still ruined star wars. stop hiring women, remove women from the writers room.
>>223951987Ok good space dykes just what we all wanted
>>223950500Unironically, it depends what you mean by "Star Wars". If you're looking for Flash Gordon, sword and planet adventures, space opera, space westerns, Arthurian legends in space, seven samurai in space, dambusters in space, or a bunch of other stuff that was in those movies, you won't find it in Andor. It's a cold war/WW2 thriller dressed up in the Star Wars aesthetic. And really that's the only thing anyone can agree on with Star Wars, the aesthetics of it. Arguably that's its defining feature.
>>223950500yeahit turns out that good things are just good and bad things are just bad, and you don't need to explain much more than that
>>223953972>>223952631>>223951296>>223951245You know what? I'm saying it. It's really interesting how hellbent are Star Warsfags on keeping SW shit. Any other fanbase of any other setting normally wants their setting to be good and interesting. They want to see it's history, characters, factions, political situation, culture, religion and concepts developed, sensible, believable and cool. Except for Star Warsfags. They want it shit. Obsidian and the EU made Star Wars interesting and fanbase only screams:>No! It's too much! Make it shit again! Make it simplistic! Star Wars should never be good and interesting!No wonder TFA was so successful. Mystery man jew jew abrams seems really fitting for this setting. He doesn't explain anything, nothing needs to make sense and be believable. Even a basic, simple politics and metaphysical concepts in prequels and kotor2 filter the shit out of star warsfags. Any worldbuilding seems to cause literal, physical pain in them. It's unbelievable really.
>>223952214>The prison episodes with Serkis are pure Star Wars.In what way?
Andor was designed in a lab for the r3ddit "I'M A LE SMART STAR WARS FAN AND LOVES TO SCREAM THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST LIGHTSABERS!"What we got was some shitty BBC prestige drama in which the characters give these grandiose speeches like they practiced them in front of a mirror for a week. Worlds with 99% humans. And a rebellion that is now shades of gray.>rebellion leaders in Andor are fucking scumbags and there are no celebrations for their fighters>in ANH Han and Luke come out of nowhere, fire some missiles, and they are given a medal ceremony
I thought it was ok. It didn't really need to be a a Star Wars show though and it doesnt really add anything, it being Star Wars. It just adds to the overall tone clusterfuck that is SW. Because the whole time youre watching the show, you know this whole competent evil regime is going to meet its end by a bunch of teddy bear muppets in the woods.This whole "the story grows with you, the viewer!" thing worked for Harry Potter. But the SW universe isnt a linear story about an 11 year old growing up it's just a clusterfuck of ideas, quality, and TIE fighters.
>>223954005Star Wars has never had a good universe. It didn't have one to start with (the OT is very narrow in scope) and the attempts to expand it have mostly just stretched and copy pasted the original source material. The vast majority of the EU was shitty fanfic and the old republic wasn't much better. Star Wars as a "universe" amounts to not much more than derivative fanfiction for retarded manchildren to waste their time memorizing and debating over. It is effortlessly mogged by actually well thought out universes like the Culture or Xeelee Sequence, but the average fat ugly fuck who obsesses over Star Wars wouldn't be able to get into those settings.
>>223954161This. It takes the Empire and some of the Star Wars motifs and is otherwise a completely unrelated show. Once again proving that Star Wars just does not have that much in it to begin with.
>>223951794Get a grip
>>223953887>imperials are checking for undocumented laborers>heckin modern allegory
>>223950500Not really, it's a mess.>muh moral ambiguityThis just means the Empire actually has a point since you made the Rebellion terrorists and literal schizophrenic retards.The sequel trilogy and Andor ironically vindicate the Empire
after they tortured his girlfriend, they should've raped her, killed her, and dumped her corpse in a ditch
>>223954278>terroristsSo freedom fighters.
>>223954309Inshallah
>>223954005Kotor 2 might be the most overrated video game in history, and I say this as somebody who liked it
>>223954448aside from the twist, it really doesn't have much going for it, huh
>>223954204Listen to these arguments that you're making.>Star Wars is shit and should remain shit for absolutely zero reason at all because I say so This mindset is exactly why this franchise has sucked for as long as it has.
>>223954497it's an argument for why things need to be left the fuck alone and not be dragged out. you should not give a shit about the "longevity of a franchise" unless you're some hook-nosed faggot with financial stakes in it
>>223954559>Star Wars can't ever have good writing or world building because I say so okay!?
>>223954559>you should not give a shit about the "longevity of a franchise"Stop projecdting, none gives a shit about longevity. Most of the people like Star Wars for visual design, setting premise, outstanding music and charismatic actors performance.And guess, what? Andor have all of it.
>>223954005>Make it shit! Make it simplistic! Star Wars should never be good and interesting!This is what nuwars fans are saying. Nobody needs a whole movie and TV show just to go>hey didn't you ever want to know who handed the death star plans to Leia?We already know, Kyle Katarn broke into an Imperial base and stole them. I don't need that shit to be retconned so it's some random spic and his ethnic diversity squad of incredibly boring and disposable characters, and I especially don't care to watch two seasons of his backstory.
>>223950500How can anyone find this boring shit good?
>>223954458Kreia's an interesting character on the surface but she's really just constantly playing devil's advocate.
>>223954602It already had that, and now Disney are replacing it with their shitty writing and world building.
>>223954677Thanks to a certain pedophile psued retard, people are under the impression Kreia is some deep Nietzschean figure when really she's just a contrarian, complete with the inability to actually propose a solution she so fervently demands from everyone else
>>223954657>This is what nuwars fans are saying.>We already know,Oh irony
>>223954661More like Blandor, amirite
>>223954697How is stretching "here's how we stole the death star plans" out for fucking two seasons of TV and a movie even remotely considered "good and interesting"?Do we need another TV show about the guy who decided that Han's last name should be Solo? How did he come to that decision? What was his home life like? What made him join the Empire to be a receptionist?Fuck off.
>>223950500It emphatically proved those people right.
>>223954727Seeing Han Solo's backstory would be good and interesting. Yes. I don't know what you were trying to prove with that argument.
I still haven't seen a single argument for this show being bad.
>>223954727>How is stretching "here's how we stole the death star plans" out for fucking two seasons of TV and a movie even remotely considered "good and interesting"?By good writting, by good cast of actors, filmmaking crew etc and etc.>Do we need another TV show about the guy who decided that Han's last name should be Solo?If it will be made by people who made Ahsoka, probably no? By people who made Andor? Well, at least some slice of possibility it might end up good.
>>223954800I'm not talking about Han Solo's backstory (because we already got that, and it was shit), I'm talking about the guy at the start of the movie who's admitting Han to the Imperial Army and is like>hmm, no last name... we'll call you Han... "Solo".Where's his backstory? He's about as relevant to the plot as the random guy who gets the Death Star plans from Beach Planet, in that neither of them ever needed to be explored.
>>223954841I found it boring. None of the characters were interesting and the cinematography is insipidly bland outside of very few scenes.
>>223954849>By good writting, by good cast of actors, filmmaking crew etc and etc.Damn, I wish they'd done that instead then.
>>223954913>no! My heckin pew pew movie should never have world building or good writing in it! Make it shit and simplistic!Literally proving my point again
>>223954936And they did.
>>223954942You keep parroting that, yet you haven't explained what worldbuilding would be added by a three-season story about the guy who runs the reception desk at the Imperial Army admissions office.Almost like you don't actually have a point at all.
>>223954958Did they? I must have missed it.
>>223954968Why should I respond to a strawman argument?
>>223954978>Did they?They did. You just mad it didn't had TCW characters cameo
>>223954841It's not. It's just really messy.The show is best when it's not being political and is more of a spy thriller. Cassian having to prepare for a heist with a bunch of useful idiots, having to find a way out of jail, and skulking away from imperial patrols. When you make a point of moral ambiguity while still trying to portray one side as objectively wrong, you fuck up everything. It's rules for thee, none for me shit. Practically fucking masturbation.By the end, I'm cheering for the Empire because they actually have their shit together while the Rebellion is a mess of people who have nothing in common besides hating the Empire.
>>223955019>When you make a point of moral ambiguity while still trying to portray one side as objectively wrong, you fuck up everythingThe show goes out of its way to point out that an organization like the empire would have tons and tons of absolutely good and well-meaning people propping it up and doing the work required to keep it functional. You're way oversimplifying things.
>>223954982I don't know, why do you keep doing it?For that matter, what relevant worldbuilding has Andor even added? I don't care about his past because I don't care about the character. I don't care about "what happened to Mon Mothma to make her join the Rebellion?" because the implication already exists through her limited characterization in Jedi that she's a former senator or powerful figure upset at the tyranny of the Empire, just like Leia was.She's a boring character in the first place, if you want to do some backstory of random nobodies, give me someone like Crix Madine and the story of him in the Imperial Academy/Army up until his defection to the Rebellion. Show me Wedge Antillies doing shit with Rogue Squadron and laying the groundwork for the invasion of Coruscant.Don't bore me to tears with the likes of John Andor.
>>223955014If it had that, I'd dislike it even more. TCW is dogshit.
>>223955019>By the end, I'm cheering for the Empire because they actually have their shit togetherdid you really watch the show?
>>223955072Yes.And look at the Rebellion and try to tell me it's anywhere close to the same.
>>223955097Did you?
>>223955019>Cassian having to prepare for a heist>The show is best when it's not being politicalAnon...>When you make a point of moral ambiguity while still trying to portray one side as objectively wrong, you fuck up everything.Because..? That's literally how revolutions are comming into being. It's always starts with relatively small group of outcasts, who already have nothing to lose.>because they actually have their shit togetherLMAOLiterally every single step of Empire's faillings was because they couldn't keep their shit together. They missed Luthen and his early activity of cobbling together supply chain for rebels cells because of their arrogance and petty rivalry between various branches of imperial bureaucracy. They ditched most loyal and competent Imperials and completely disregarded their professional expertise in the most critical moment simply because they were too afraid to face Vader or Palp.
>>223955120>Because..? That's literally how revolutions are comming into being. It's always starts with relatively small group of outcasts, who already have nothing to lose.lollmaosomeone took their commie propaganda seriously
>>223955111Yes and I saw it end with the ISB failing so hard its leader shoots himself, shortly before the Death Star gets blown up by teenagers.
>>223955147>history is commie propagandaTop kek
>>223955100The rebellion is also shown, especially at the start, as being partially comprised of some criminals, murderers as extremists so unstable that even the organized leadership that eventually develops can't trust or work with some of them. I mean one side is obviously in the wrong, the show does have to work within the existing framework of a tyrannical government led by an ontologically evil space wizard, but I think the show does a completely adequate job of making both sides more realistic and morally grey then any previous star wars movie/show.
>>223955169Revolutions have consistently been the middle class, lesser nobles, or alienated military officers raising the lower against the upper. It is never a peasant uprising. It's peasants led by a figure they already know and trust, the aforementioned mid level figure.Fucking Mon Mothma is a noblewoman.>>223955179Yes.The Empire is in the right
Everyone seems to love Andor so much, and while I agree that it has some interesting elements in it, so much of it just made no sense at all and didn't really do anything. >The Empire is not just an infinite bureaucratic mega-corporation, but they're also an uncaring robo-fascist police state where you can be picked up by a robot for literally doing nothing, and without any trial or anything, be sent off to a "You will 100% die here" work-prison-gulag. A little on the nose, but sure, whatever. My real question about this is, if this is how the world(s) work, how come no one cares? How come people just go about their business as if it could never happen to them? Everyone in the Empire is on the "it is what it is" train? This actually, to me, kind of makes what the Empire did in Star Wars LESS overtly malicious and evil because it kind of just implies the people like Moff Tarkin, Vader, etc. are just doing exactly the same stuff with the same attitude normal bureaucrats are.But anyway, my real gripe is that despite the show being called "Andor", the actual guy named Andor is surprisingly unimportant to the plot of the show. He just sort of exists, and important, dangerous, and critical events sort of happen around him and he's just perpetually along for the ride. Very little he actually does himself is of any lasting consequence, but because he's standing in-frame every time a major event happens, it's ascribed to him.
>>223955147>>223955169>>223955203I mean, for fuck's sake.Why do you think the most fervent supporters for communism are fucking rich kids?
>>223955203>middle class, lesser nobles, or alienated military officersThose are leaders, like... idk, Luthen, Mon Mothma and Bail Organa.>It is never a peasant uprising.It's always relies on zealots among their grunt forces.
>>223952454No, it's quite literally a remake of Akira Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress. It's just in a space fantasy setting instead of feudal Japan.
>>223955230Dunno, ask Grok or Asmongold.
>>223955237YesLuthen is literally show to be a military officer. Mon Mothma and Bail Organa are both nobles on their planets. >It's always relies on zealots among their grunt forces.lollmaoThe useful idiots lined up against the wall when everything is over.
>>223955214>how come no one cares? How come people just go about their business as if it could never happen to them?Either they don't know it's happening (the empire is shown to have an extremely tight control on information getting out), or they rationalize that it's happening for a good reason to bad people, or they're too scared to risk something happening to them to do anything about it. These are the exact reasons people end up reluctantly supporting evil shit in the real world too.
>>223955254>Luthen is literally show to be a military officer. Mon Mothma and Bail Organa are both nobles on their planets.Who wouldn't achieve nothing if they didn't bother to find devoted fanatics to carry out most desperate fights needed to succeed in the end.
>>223950500rogue one already proved that, tourist
>>223951371>Andor is widely regarded as one of the best pieces of Star Wars media ever made on par with the OTFans never talk about any of the characters from Andor, they dont even know most of the names of the characters, meanwhile every character and story point for The Empire Strikes Back are easily known by most SW fans.Star Wars is suppose to be exciting, the OT is exciting, Andor is not. Andor is so far up its own ass with long talking scenes that it forgot to be interesting.
>>223955279You are coping, anon. It's okay to just admit you were wrong.
>>223950531Rape doesn't belong in Star Wars
>>223955287>You are coping, anon.And you are projecting.
>>223955315>no uI accept your concession
>>223950500Pinko show for faggots
>>223955282>Fans never talk about any of the characters from Andor>half of thread is incel tantrum about lesbians from AndorOkay
Moral greyness only works if the writers in question actually have and understand morality.>>223955327kek
>>223950500>will jon andor finally take down the empire?>no, he dies a few months later in a poopy movie
>>223955327But enough about POTUS obsession with men's ass.
>>223955332Well morality for them is just "It feel good, It must be good!'
>>223955266You'd think so, and I understand that conceptually, but what I mean is; Andor gets arrested because he randomly shows up to the house he was staying at on this beach planet. There's other people there, on that planet, in the area. None of them are acting like at any moment a big robot might grab them by the neck and say "You have been detained and are no going to death-jail". So it begs the question of what the moment-to-moment policing policy of the Empire is, because either the people who are closest to it happening on the ground don't know or care, or what happened to Andor is actually not normal, which doesn't seem likely. It's not a major breaker of the show, it's just one of those things where Star Wars worked because you saw the "Evil Empire" was evil because it was ran by evil dudes in evil costumes who did literal evil wizard magic, and the more you try and give it actual bureaucratic inner workings it just becomes confusing.
>>223955321>keeps projecting
>>223955347>Trump outta nowhere Get your t-levels checked
Rebels Pre-Disney: FarmersRebels Post-Disney: Fucking ISIS!
>>223950562That's the behavior of savages and the empire was all about order and pragmatism. Raping someone won't help them meet their goals. Maybe in fringe cases they might be able to use rape or the threat of it against somebody to get them to capitulate to their demands like threatening to rape a dignitaries wife but if rape would do the job simply threatening to kill them probably would as well.
>>223955214/v/ related, but I'm actually playing through the Imperial Agent storyline on SWTOR now and it does a far better job of portraying the moral gray of the Imps than Andor ever could.>player is basically a secret agent for Imperial Intelligence>infiltrating Republic-supported terrorist groups and faced with choices of maintaining cover at the risk of further harming Imperial citizens>giving more of a shit about the common man than the Republic does, while at the same time having to deal with the occasional murder-happy Sith poking their nose into your workThe optimal way to keep your bosses happy is by going straight neutral, pick good guy choices when it benefits the Empire or prevents needless suffering/death, but don't be afraid to take dark side choices if it's more efficient, hampers the Republic or has acceptable losses.
>>223955349Yeah, that seems to be the morality of Andor.By the end, the only difference between the Rebellion and the Empire doing something is which side you're on. Luthan doesn't give a shit about bombing innocent people or infrastructure or leaving people out to die. He's the great martyr figure you're supposed to think is some kind of amazing character.In reality, he's a soulless fucking golem who doesn't believe in anything. He just hates the Empire.
>>223955406Darth Vader routinely murdered his own people just for mildly inconveniencing him, he would not have cared about rape
>>223955427>In reality, he's a soulless fucking golem who doesn't believe in anything. He just hates the Empire.That's every single inner-city nu male.
>>223955427>He's the great martyr figure you're supposed to think is some kind of amazing character.The show goes out of its way to frame him as a monster and make you think carefully about whether the shit he does is actually necessary and if the ends justify the means
>>223955431he blew up a planeti don't think one of his men fucking a corpse of a woman he killed is even something he'd care about
>>223955461I wanna watch the same show you did because clearly you were watching something else.
I know this was Rouge One but the Death Star plans being a claw machine was just funny. Oh plus dying in a friend-zone hug is top narm.
>>223955431>mild inconvenienceHe murders them for being incompetent at their jobs. Admiral Ozzel's actions result in the Rebels getting advance warning of their presence, forcing Hoth to become a full ground invasion while they are able to have several Rebel ships escape, and Captain Needa is killed because he literally went to Vader and reported>uh yeah sir we uh... we just lost the falcon and we have no idea where it went
>>223955471You missed a lot of subtext
>>223955497You hallucinated something that wasn't there because the entire framing of the story is that the Rebellion wouldn't have even been possible without Luthan. That people like Mon Mothma are just naive figureheads for the real rebels like Luthan. That Andor, who does things he supposedly hates for a good cause, listens to and prioritizes Luthan over everyone else. There is no alternative given. Luthan's hand is shown in practically everything. You are not shown a single figure or group that succeeds without his assistance.
>>223950500I like Andor, but living in Clown World has made me see this and all Galactic Civil War era Star Wars content as "terrorism is le heckin' good, actually" propaganda.
>>223955497>>223955521For fuck's sake, they retcon it so that Luthan was the one who gave the Rebellion the plans for the Deathstarhow much more do you fucking need?
>>223955521I mean Luthan literally has a monologue about how he's had to sacrifice his dignity and morality to fight for a future he knows he'll never even get to see. Even calling it subtext is giving you some undue kindness.
>>223955541oh poor pitiful himhe ruins countless lives for a good cause
>>223955431Murder is quick and he uses it to solve problems. I'm not arguing that he's against the idea of rape, just that there are faster, cleaner ways to get somebody to do what you want. I'd be more inclined to believe that he wouldn't want his people raping whoever they want because it's a waste of time and they might enjoy it. He doesn't care of they're happy, if anything he'd prefer them to be uncomfortable and in terror at all times knowing he might crush their necks if they get distracted in space poon and don't finish their tasks asap.
>>223955552>he ruins countless lives for a good causeyep, it's called moral ambiguity. ta-da!
>>223955427>Luthan doesn't give a shit about bombing innocent people or infrastructure or leaving people out to die. He's the great martyr figure you're supposed to think is some kind of amazing character.No, he's not. He's the dirty little secret of the Rebellion and is likely remembered only in classified black ops records in the New Republic.
>>223955566No, it's not. Do you think the people mutilating the genitals of hundreds to thousands of children and giving them brain damaging chemicals is a good thing just because the people who do it think it's a good cause? That there was no other alternative?
>>223955578This. By the end the rebellion won't even work with him and won't officially send anyone to extract him and his people when he's exposed. Mon Mothma distrusts him and is visibly horrified at the shit he does by the end.
>>223955578you mean the new republic that falls apart in a manner of nanoseconds?
>>223955611>unhinged tranny rant out of nowhere
>>223955357>evil wizard magic,Like Ozzel? Or Piet? Or Tarkin? Or Veers?>it just becomes confusing.>The Empire has been choking us so slowly, we're starting not to notice>>223955406>and the empire was all about order False, Empire always was about pretence of order (all while Empire originally was formed by orchestrated chaos of civil war).>and pragmatismYeah like building a moon-sized wunderwaffe, very pragmatic.Also, I am pretty sure Owen and Beru were legally prosecuted and court sentenced them to death.
>>223950500I don't get the hype. People treat this like the one "mature" piece of Star Wars content, but the EU did a lot of this exploration of the Empire and its complexities way better. And Mandalorian was much more fun to watch in S1 and S2.
>>223955427Luthen acted the monster to wake people the fuck up. The Empire could have just not taken his bait. And they made him into that. He got a firsthand experience of their quieter genocides. So in his mind, it all made sense. There'd be no rebellion with Luthen. Everyone was too chickenshit before that.
>>223955633The point is there really is no moral ambiguity. He did a bad thing thinking it would be a good thing. Far more ridiculous cases exist in real life. >>223955642>False, Empire always was about pretence of order (all while Empire originally was formed by orchestrated chaos of civil war).Sounds pretty orderly to me.
>>223955648damnbro instigated atrocities to stop atrocities and then just got more atrocities
>>223955678>He did a bad thing thinking it would be a good thing.People do bad shit in service of good intentions all the time. Sometimes the ends probably do justify the means. In fact I'd say the vast majority of bad shit done by humanity could be classified this way.
>>223955711If he hadnt, too much time would've gone by and the death star wouldve been completed. Thats why Maarva's last message was the catalyst he used. It was a wake the fuck up faggot speech to her own people.
>>223955732>If he hadnt, too much time would've gone by and the death star wouldve been completed.being right only if plutobonium that explodes planets exists is such a contrived fucking idea dude
>>223955755So is everything else in star wars. The force was acting through luthen. It doesnt care how the job gets done. It demands balance. You can do it easy or hard way, people just almost always pick the hard way.
>>223955755The show really wants you to be taken aback by some of the shit he does and be uncomfortable with it even if it's ultimately necessary to stop the empire. I don't know what else you want, really. Lots of historical revolutionaries had a lot of blood on their hands even if the world they built was something better than what existed before, I don't think his example is terribly unrealistic other than existing in a world where his enemies are employed by an evil space wizard.
>>223950500No. I don't watch Star Wars to not see space wizards with laser swords.
>>223955789The empire being ran by a demonic space wizard is literally the why though. Hes an evil wizard. The empire is a false thing. Luthen didnt need to see him shoot lightning out of his hands to know. He just knew. Maarva died with her last words being pointing out theyd never leave them alone and always take more. Even the worst dictator will stop at some point and be like OK compromise time. That was never gonna happen when the emperor is literally an evil demonic space wizard.
>>223955382>Rebels Post-Disney: Fucking ISIS!So still farmers and shepherds?
>>223955846Kek
>>223955824lots of tyrannical governments exist and have existed without being run by evil space wizards
>>223955678>Sounds pretty orderly to me.>to meOkay
>>223955789lol, no they weren'tThe American Revolution was particularly unique for its productivity.The French was an absolute disaster, the Chinese just replaced every dynasty before going with soulless Communism, and I'm not even going to bother listing every fucking peasant uprising that ended in slaughter.
>>223955642It seems ridiculous and convoluted but being able to erase everyone that stands in your way in the push of a button is a pragmatic solution. More so than using and potentially losing thousands of ships and 10s of thousands of troops subjugating countless planets where rebellions can fester. Think of it this way, if the plans weren't stolen and there wasn't a well organized and equipped group who were able take advantage of a weakness who could have stopped them?
>>223955949>It seems ridiculous and convoluted but being able to erase everyone that stands in your way in the push of a button is a pragmatic solution.Not if you literally need to force the whole galaxy to work on it and call for every possible money-saving measure, from slave labour to forcibly taken resources from the planets.It's like North Korea pulling whatever scraps of the economy they have to make a nuke, it's anything but pragmatism.
>>223956003If that was the case, how did they manage to build a second one? Hell, how did the First Order manage to build an even larger, deadlier one with a fraction of the power or resources?Disneywars is retarded nonsensical revisionism.
>>223956034>If that was the case, how did they manage to build a second one?The same way Germany was able to built two Maus tanks? Also, you do realise North Korea most likely also have more than one nuclear missile, right?Also and if it was so easy it wouldn't take them 20 years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope to built first one. It's not Disney, it's George's lore.
>>223950500No it proved them rightEither way there is the OT and the rest is shit and doesn't exist
Chuds have to hate andor because it's kathleen approved
>>223955075>Whoops it was contempt for the medium all along!
>>223950500>star wars for people who hate star wars
Would Andorfags have their minds blown if they watched something remotely decent like The Treasure of the Sierra Madre and got some perspective, or is the lack of laser guns too much of a barrier to get over?
Not really. I liked Andor, but it might just as well not have been related to Star Wars and wouldn't have been any worse for it.
Star and/or wars
>>223950500>Star Wars should be a simplistic fairy tale in space and never explore anything deep or intricate in it's settingStar Wars already did that 2 decades ago though
>>223959030This was my Harry Potter!
>>223959035>This was my Harry Potter!Mine too. It unironically got me into reading.
>>223953959>[moving the goalpost]
>>223955357In the show, the whole part where Cassian gets arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time was meant to be a heavy-handed (but still temporary) crackdown from the Empire as a reaction to the Aldani heist. It was even one of Luthen's main goals with the heist since he knew how the Empire would respond and how it would give people a reason to hate them more. The implication being that the Empire on a good day isn't as draconian and people would be complacent usually.
I don't like politics in Star Wars. All I want is to see the Jedi fight the Sith and the Mandalorians fight both the Jedi and the Sith. I also want to see some shenanigans from smugglers and mercenaries. That's why I didn't like Andor; it just didn't feel like the Star Wars of my youth, the original trilogy.
>>223955427>supposed to thinkyou're supposed to find his actions repugnant as evidenced by literally everyone's reactions to his character. Sorry if you cant distinguish between a charismatic performance and the actual fucking screenplay.
>>223955496side note, I liked in Heir to the Empire how Thrawn promoted a guy after he fucked up with the book suggesting that killing for incompetence was standard practice lmao.
>>223959327more cope i see
S1 was great, S2 was like three seasons worth of material crammed into one and has been very overrated imo. The rape scene was so bad and forced.
>>223959842>The rape scene was so bad and forced.it would've been better if she was actually raped
Right wing reactionaries getting upset over Andor makes me only want to watch it more. Their arguments against this show are so fucking bad.
>>223959913...what?
>>223959925>Bwuhhhh??? huhhh??? What is blub babblin bout lil bro?
>>223959959yeah, what are you babbling about
>>223959913>I really need my Orange Man Bad infused with my escapist entertainment!
Yet to run into a fan of this thing that doesn't come across 60 IQ and poorly read, it's a gigantic midwit magnet that stands out even for glup shitto standards. I have more respect for the overweight unwashed women into the sequels, as they don't necessarily live out their toddler understanding of politics through that crap and are just in it for Driver.
>>223959978>B-but George Lucas making it about Nixon and Vietnam War bad is okay because it just is okay!?
>>223959978Even "escapist" entertainment needs some acknowledgement of what it is that's being escaped from.
>>223959998jedi was the weakest of the trilogy for a reason
>>223959998George is fucking mercurial and say whatever the fuck his medication told to say that day.
>>223959913I really enjoy all the arguments in this thread that basically boil down to "the show is being unfair to the empire! you can't be morally grey and still have bad guys!"
>>223960007My eyes are rolling out of my skull.
>>223960027whatbro, the empire is a blatant fascist dictatorship and i still think they're better than the rebellionif anything, they show the rebellion as a bunch of retarded jackasses with no morals to speak of only acting against the empire out of spite than any principles
>>223960027The Empire is made of regular people. Why do you hate the working class?
>>223950599I have zero idea what the fuck this comment means. And for that, I have to thank the writers for filtering you and your schizo retard rants.
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>>223960082i could not take the interacial dyke spy couple seriously and laughed when the stupid bitch died and they tried to pretend like the strawman incompetent white rebel was responsible and needed to feel bad for it
>>223955282>people dont talk about luthen 4chan is so full of shit they must smell it while they type. I mean how can you write such pretentious contrarian drivel and believe it? Andor is a great show and widely acknowledged as such. Pretending on "normies" liked it and starwars movies were some high art and not normie slop to the highest order is something to behold. Truly the shittiest takes are on /tv/. If i ever need to read something retarded ill just come here and post about a great tv show. Pulls all the brain dead morons out it seems
>>223960082Ah, classic conservative rebuttal. Take something non political, make it political, and then pretend you were arguing a point liberals couldn't understand. Do you post an image because your disgusting hooves couldn't type a sentence on a keyboard you inbred retard? Theres no way you think you made a real point in the original post to justify this image. I accept your concession as a complete and utter disappointment to your family, do not reply to me brownoid.
>>223960125You niggers make everything political, You treat scientists like they're the new priest class, The deracination and immiseration of White people and trooning out kids!When will the madness stop!?!
>>223960155Do not reply to me brownoid. I am not reading retard 3rd world slop. And even if youre a white maga faggot, everyone hates you and youre still a dumb inbred hick. Im amazed you understood how to turn on a computer and find a browser capable of deciphering your ham fisted attempts to write sentences. AI is truly amazing for your marble smooth brain.
>>223950500I don't know I really liked it though.A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Andor are the only worthwhile Star Wars content if you ask me. I never watched the animated stuff so excuse my lack of knowledge with those.
>>223960188The JIDF is being extra spicy today eh?
>>223960221>>223960155>>223960082I liked your documentary BTW! You and your family really showed a new side of america id never seenhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt7655884/Will you make another soon?
>>223960206Most of the animated shit expands decently on the clone wars but is ultimately a kid show and the stakes are inherently low since you know who survives from the get go with all the core major characters. Much of the dialogue is aimed at children and the jokes reflect as such. I dont think youre missing anything overall.
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>>223960082>le thought terminating cliche post # 827387
why does the chudposting significantly ramp up during US work hours when everyone else is at their job or school?
>>223950500No one knows as no one will ever watch it You can stop shilling at any time. You can’t even call “star wars” a dead brand at this point, as people will still consume dead things. star wars is a poisoned brand.
>>223950500Just binged season 1. Andor is great.
>>223952454Isn't Dune just a ripoff of Lawrence of Arabia?
>>223959913Rightoids are dumber than everyone that is known
>>223950500EU proved those fags wrong long ago. It's never been true.>>223954005>Even a basic, simple politics and metaphysical concepts in prequels and kotor2 filter the shit out of star warsfags.Typical reddit midwit, completely and absolutely unable to process fan reactions to anything. You think people didn't like the political shit in the prequels because it wasn't simple enough? People who think the political and metaphysical ideas in the prequels make them good are so pathetic. The problem was NEVER that those movies had politics or metaphysics, the problem was the movies were fucking boring. The movies were boring mostly for execution reasons, but also because the "politics and metaphysics" aspects were handled very clumsily and poorly. They ranged from hamfisted to incoherent, and often spelled out in tedious exposition rather than presented in ways that encouraged viewers to figure it out on their own.Of course, the average normalfag is not sophisticated enough to make a thorough, articulate criticism for WHY the concepts and themes fell flat. They just sum it up in a word and then total retards (like you, and maybe Kathleen Kennedy) accept that word blindly and conclude that "they don't like politics or metaphysics in movies" which is not the appropriate takeaway at all.
>>223960851Anon, stop lying. You know that there were people who entirely hated those things in the prequels on the basis of their existence and not the execution because they wanted it to be a pew pew movie.
>>223959913The fact that you subnormals like it's proof that it's objectively bad.If it catered to normal people you would hate it
>>223960206Nobody asks you for a reason.SW is the OT, and that's all.
>>223960398Yet to be debunked kekyou just hate it because it's true every time
>>223960125>NO Ulmao, all the times
>>223960939It IS a pew pew movie, and lame one at that, just with boring exposition about politics tacked on.
>>223951794seek help
>>223950500See, the fact is that what our ilk find deep and intricate is actually lame and stupid.>>223951371>Andor is widely regarded as one of the best pieces of Star Wars media ever made on par with the OTBy who? People who shouldn't open their mouth, let alone vote?>>223951398>Andor is actually more true to Star WarsSaid noone ever
>>223952849Good stories don't overexplain shit to fill every single nook for the retards and to sell franchisefaggotry that died 40 years ago.
>>223954149>Andor was designed in a lab for the r3ddit "I'M A LE SMART STAR WARS FAN AND LOVES TO SCREAM THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST LIGHTSABERS!"Accurate
>>223954227>Once again proving that Star Wars just does not have that much in it to begin with.Star Wars had plenty for competent writers who understand basic principles. This is one of the dumbest RLM takes ever propagated around here.Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy was great. He made it a bit more sci-fi, a bit more military-political fiction, and used the setting to generate interesting and likable characters like Mara Jade and Talon Karrde and numerous other alien species. Granted he had the luxury of working with OG characters (Luke/Han/Leia) but his story managed to be epic and exciting, with a blend of action, warfare, mysticism, character development, political intrigue and espionage without just turning it completely into something totally different. Even the stuff people cry about (like use of clones) were used well to drive character development.Personally I'm not opposed to doing "barely even Star Wars" explorations of random niche ideas, the problem is how we got here. Instead of Disney doing a great job building out the best parts of the OG and EU, giving themselves a massive organically grown universe to explore in niche side content (the way Marvel did with the MCU); what actually happened was that KK and her tard squad completely blew up the franchise, bulldozing all the existing material and replacing it with utter garbage from soulless redditors.
>>223951519The problem with midwits is how unselfish aware they areCase and point >>223952200>>223952200
>>223961156>Star Wars had plenty for competent writers who understand basic principles.The OT. Barely.The rest doesn't count>Personally I'm not opposed to doing "barely even Star Wars" explorations of random niche ideasFilling every blank with unnecessary shit definitely isn't a good thing.Telling other stories unlrelated to the main one from the original trilogy.... tat ship sailed for good when they decided to piss on the IP with prequelshit
2/2>her tard squad completely blew up the franchise, bulldozing all the existing material and replacing it with utter garbage from soulless redditorsAnd so this means that when it comes time for something like Andor, you get people rightly asking "why is this even Star Wars?" The connections are forced and lame. (We didn't need a plot about the Death Star plans and grimderping the rebellion, but because the Disney retards destroyed the rest of the Star Wars lore that's all they have).
>>223961221>The rest doesn't countYes, it does.Or rather, it should. The only reason it doesn't is the incompetence of its stewards, and people following the wisdom of morons like Jay.
>>223960409because we're on our phones while at work/school
>>223955789>The show really wants you to be taken aback by some of the shit he does and be uncomfortable with it even if it's ultimately necessary to stop the empire.Yeah, and some of it wasn't necessary. Murdering Lonnie didn't accomplish anything.
>>223950562Because his mother was raped by the sand people.
>>223960082The only time I've ever seen this meme used is in reference to someone not immediately and uncritically agreeing with some of the most retarded beliefs ever to grace mankind. It shows a myopic worldview where right wing retards assume everyone automatically agrees with then on some subconscious level and are just denying it, rather than merely having different world views and disagreeing. It's actual insanity on full display.
>>223950500As a Star Wars expert, and successful scifi writer myself, Andor was ok, but, Ahsoka is on par with the OT.PT
>>223961517>on par with the OT PToxymoronic
>>223961221>tat ship sailed for good when they decided to piss on the IP with prequelshitNo, it really didn't. Prequels did a lot of damage, to be sure. But they also introduced new stuff. You can still synthesize and blend ideas, you aren't hard-chained to "extended canon" as if it's an all-or-nothing question. Iron Man was a b-list Superhero until 2008. Marvel's other big IPs like Spider-Man and the X-Men had been farmed out, so they dug deeper, didn't let themselves be told they couldn't by retards, and Avengers: Endgame remains #1 highest-grossing film of all time.Star Wars could have done the same thing. So what that you can't tell the exact Zahn trilogy? You could have stolen specific characters, themes and plots and transplanted them into a new era. You could have shifted all the major conflicts a few decades, dropped stuff that didn't work and build on the parts that did. Thrawn would have been a far better villain than any of the retarded shit that JJ asspulled. Mara Jade is a somewhat divisive character but certainly more compelling than Rey. Mark Hamill was still alive. You could still give Mara some weird reason why she's obsessed with killing Luke Skywalker that they have to solve together, even if it lacks the romantic potential the original had.And then, you're introducing characters with links to deeper lore that can also be mined and adapted. Mara is linked to Talon Karrde, who is linked to other smuggler characters. So you have your "TV Crime Drama" offshoot, with loads of material for writers to steal from when generating plots and side characters and storylines, while still having plenty of room to add their own twists.But Disney just completely fucked it up. Now they're trying to do it, but without having any of the foundation that would have made it work well.
>>223960999RotJ sucks, my dude.
>>223961451I don't use the meme but I do see it happen all the fucking time. Not really in this thread, but it's a real phenomenon and very much part of the left discourse more than the right. Right-wing retards do not pretend like they don't understand things, they just don't understand things. There's a very different feel when arguing with them, most of the time. They usually seem genuinely surprised at my points, they will often dig in and argue, sometimes meandering into conspiracytard stuff, but I never feel like I have to explain some really fucking basic distinction between things that are obviously distinct.
>>223961565Nah it's pretty good. RotJ has flaws for sure but it's definitely not a bad movie.
>>223961618You're right. Right wingers don't pretend not to understand things. They just don't understand things period lol.
>>223961156>>223959421>>223961562has Karrde shown up in any of the Disneyslop? He wasnt exactly one of my favorite characters but I liked his role and place in the univers. Tons of potential to be a major character in nuwars
>>223961654Some right wingers are very smart and interering. Meanwhile all leftists spam the same mindless talking points. The only smart leftists are also malicious liars.
>>223961776>Some right wingers are very smart and interering. Those must not be using this site.
>>223961391And both him and her were slaves, yet the Empire makes vast use of slaves.
>>223961857You probably just don't see them because you're retarded. Brainwashed into not understanding obviously things, so that you see any violation of your programming as retarded. Basically if you are white, male and not right-wing in 2026 you have some kind of mental illness or are brainwashed.But, it's also true that a lot of right-wingers just go to X, because it's a lot smarter on average than 4chan these days. 4chan remains stubbornly difficult to kill, but leftist spambots like you have done a really good job of trying. Just look at your completely empty replies itt
>>223950500Andor isn’t even really a Star Wars story. All the stuff people like about it isn’t related to Star Wars, and all the specific Star Wars stuff could be cut out without impacting the show
>>223955541>I mean Luthan literally has a monologue about how he's had to sacrifice his dignity and morality to fight for a future he knows he'll never even get to see. Even calling it subtext is giving you some undue kindness.Why is ends justify the means morality acceptable for rebels but not imperials?
>>223962195because the imperial "end" is order and control for the sake of it, whereas the rebels are about freedom
>>223955642>Yeah like building a moon-sized wunderwaffe, very pragmatic.A moon sized battle station really shouldn't be that big of a deal for an empire with the resources of an entire galaxy at its disposal. I understand that it was written to be an economy crippling boon doggle, but that's an act of writer's fiat not an innate condemnation of the Death Star itself as a concept.
>>223954005>No wonder TFA was so successfulTFA's success was the last desperate gasp of Disney's media manipulation apparatus. It was down to 100% propoganda advertisement and a desperate hope that Disney would bring something good to Star Wars.Disney spent more money then many mid sized small nations would ever see to advertise shill and whore this debacle and all they gained was a multibillion dollar money pit and permanently tarnished name amongst half of the geek audience and now all males into sci-fi and fantasy. No Andor is not smart. It's high production, mid talent, disney/blackrock brand propoganda with some california sensibilities thrown in. If there is a dyke couple ""they"" have gotten their hands on it and it's doomed.
>>223962218>whereas the rebels are about freedomFreedom to do what?
>>223962218>freedomand tell me, how do most beings exercise their "freedom"?>>223961690I only read 1.5 of the trilogy and thought Karrde was gay.
>>223951398/thread
>>223961565And TESB.Forgot that movie happened.
>>223951415this guy gets it. andor seems godtier because it had almost a decade of pure shit behind it and people were looking for a reprieve of some sort (we had it with mando but that wasn't enough apparently).
>>223952613>It makes the rebels look incompetent because they weren't able to work it out for themselves.to be fair, the rebels ARE fairly incompetent and barely get away by the scrape of their neck 99% of the time, that's why them getting the plans was such a big W, it was their first major victory as the rebel alliance (sorry rebels, you were kino but can't hold a candle to the ot)
>>223962218What about the people who wanted freedom from the Republic?
>>223950500Why would it? SW identity is that of a self aware from the book hero´s journey. You may not like it but that´s what SW is. Anything that is not THAT is simply not SW, ergo, Disney Wars in general is not SW. It´s really not that hard to understand.
>>223962383>TFA's success was the last desperate gasp of Disney's media manipulation apparatus.>It was down to 100% propoganda advertisement and a desperate hope that Disney would bring something good to Star Wars.I mostly agree with this. The only other thing I'll add is that the one thing TFA did pretty well was disguise how hollow and empty it was on first viewing. Frenetic pacing, quick cuts, Harrison Ford charisma, constant callbacks and references, and so on. The specific design of the story was "Disney Theme Park" where the audience self-inserts as Rey and goes on a whirlwind tour of every Star Wars trope, without any real care for character development or coherent narrative foundations.As a result, a lot of people came out of TFA "feeling" like it was a good movie, due to all the superficial stuff. So there was good word of mouth for TFA alongside the marketing.
the fuck are you smoking? its the same story again told in a little "darker" setting. its the same shit. and i dont even hate it, but it has tons of problems, mostly that its almost embarassed to even be star wars tot he point of having shitty AK props when they couldve just used the good ol' blaster rifle that looks like a gewehr with a scope. and then they shit the bed hard with the next season, so no, they cant do anything different. it'll never do star trek like episodes, it'll just reheat the good ol' rebels vs whoever the current bad guy is. nothing else.
>>223963128the separatists in the PT?
>>223964565yes, and others.
>>223965179they would still want freedom from the empire. Sepratists being an entire rebel element of their own was even mentioned off hand in Andor
>>223950500No because the show was complete dogshit. It was boring and poorly written slop. Who the fuck decided to make a show about a character only found in a spinoff film and his quest to find out about the death star?
>>223951371>the best turd in the toilet
>>223963236>>223958102>>223961945I'm so sick and fucking tired of this argument. Iteration and re-evaluation of past concepts is essential to producing anything of value when you use old stories as your basis. It's how we come up with new permutations of ideas instead of trotting out the same old ones on repeat. I can point to Superman when our very idea of what Superman has been shifted by people doing EXACTLY the kinds of stories you decry as betraying the material. He was not a compassionate figure UNTIL people like Binder put him in situations his powers couldn't solve and created further restrictions in order to explore Clark's morality and character. Shit, Kryptonite as a weakness wasn't even a Siegel and Schuster invention! It was added to the radio show for drama! They inherently changed the entire conceit of Superman because the norms established in the comics weren't engaging. Challenging convention is not inherently good or bad.Kotor 2 and Andor throw softballs at Star Wars. It suggests that fully relinquishing your will to the Force is bad and you need to take responsibility in your life and make decisions. Or in Andor's case, that the rebels might not have made entirely ethical decisions to beat the empire and the empire could have genuinely well meaning people in it. If that's enough to make you think it's too far removed from Star Wars, you're beyond help
>>223965305> Rogue 1 was a prequel to a New Hope and a blatant cash grab > Andor gives the origin story of a character nobody gave a fuck about in from a cash grab filmYou have bad taste and the entire plot of Andor was basically "space fascism is bad!" slop. Watching ugly people sneaking around is not Star Wars, bozo
>>223965367>Andor took a character nobody gave a fuck about in from a cash grab film and actually made you give a fuck about him by showing his storyftfy
>>223951245>because Andor was fucking trash.
>>223950599This post is retarded but I'll agree that the "Andor gets captured by literal retards on Yavin" subplot was garbage and felt like it was written by some B-team ass writers
>>223965542Next they'll make a TV show about Rose Tico's origin story and you'll be on here talking about how it's peak fiction lol. Watching that baggage handler from the Terminal sneak around and get his ass whooped was boring and I'm confused how people actually enjoyed watching that slop.
>>223965195Some sure, but others may not. A significant number fought a four year long war in an attempt to get rid of the Republic. And the victors of the Galactic Civil War are re-establishing the exact institution they have fought against.
>>223965367a new hope had you sneaking around though
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>>223965305>that the rebels might not have made entirely ethical decisions to beat the empireThis is a trite point, lots of lame and retarded fiction has tried to push this idea in the last 30 years. Midwit pseuds always love to take some traditional purpose-driven storytelling and deconstruct it by applying arbitrary levels of cynicism (which they imagine to be "realism"). And maybe throw in some contrived moral dilemmas from philosophy 101 to leave unresolved for extra edgepoints.
>>223965973This is the same retarded right wing reactionary bullshit that people have been pushing over the last few years. Black and white morality is boring.
>>223965973You sound like a manchild.
>>223965973the decision being unethical is irrelevant when it sums up to bs bs therefore i rule
>>223965992> We must become evil to fight evil!> Then how are we different then them!?!?!?> Because we just are! You're acting like this grey morality bullshit hasn't also been done to death
>>223954688Why is that? Because you cried about anything that dared be more engaging than Lucaslop
>>223965305My point is if you made a cool movie called JIMMY about a photojournalist investigating corruption within a major corporation, it isn’t really a superman movie
>>223965992>Black and white morality is boring.No it isn't. The whole reason you think so is because you have a stunted view of morality in the first place. You seem to think the alternatives are "grey" and "black & white" when there's actually a broad spectrum of principles you can express.
>>223966561>there's actually a broad spectrum of principles you can express.name 5 without consulting chatgpt.
>>223966789Loyalty, tradition, truth, liberty, brotherhood, without even thinking. Meanwhile your idea of morality is deconstructing what you assumed were the "good guys" that (gasp) might be not be as "good" as you assumed.
>>223966540A story about the politics of the star wars galaxy is not at all outside the realm of the setting.
