>Marty we have to change history, future history>Wait, Doc, you're saying it's fine to change history now?>Sure, Marty. I opened the letter and nothing bad happened>ok, so why don't we go back to like 1938 and stop the holocaust?
>>223951574You’re asking this to Emmett “Von Braun” Brown?
Many TV, movies and games have explored the subject of killing Hitler before he rose to power and radically altering the course of history.Most stories show Communist Russia getting vastly more territory and power and the Cold War heating up white hot to the point the Cuban Missile crisis looked like Disneyland. In most stories it almost never ends well with either communism taking over the world or the world destroying itself in a all out nuclear attack.
>>223951574Because if you go back in time then Nazis in the future will return to the past to prevent you from killing baby Hitler which is now your present.
>>223952067>and radically altering the course of historyIt wouldn't though. For fuck's sake. Only retarded dipshit californians think Hitler was le Ebil Demon Man who somehow tricked the entire nation into going to war. Hitler was literally as much one cog in an inevitable backlash as everyone else. It's asinine to not understand the massive social and cultural momentum that was occurring and just want to compartmentalize it all as one guy's fault. It's literally the NPC mentality, and the existence of that mentality is PRECISELY WHY movements like naziism and stalinism could exist. The utter fucking irony. People don't want to acknowledge that the corruption that leads to that exists on every level of the hierarchy and bubbles up from within, because that means inspecting themselves and realizing that they have the capacity to be evil and cause such a thing to emerge, it's much, much easier mentally to just tell yourself that the evil was inflicted down from above and that you don't have any moral responsibility for the world around you.
He could've just told them about it and then they could've dealt with it when they got to that point in their lives.
>>223951574They live in Hill Valley, not fucking Germany
>>223952236>All those words and no pointAre you saying WW2 would've happened regardless of babby Hitler, or are you just kvetching about SJWs?
>>223952328>getting upset and taking it personallyI didn't ask you to identify yourself as an emotionally fragile NPC having a sudden burst of cognitive dissonance yet here we are.
>>223952236so Doc should go back and kill all the ger**ns
>>223952153Yeah I didn't understand what the fuck Banner was saying.
>>223952358He'd have to go way, way, way further back.
>>223952367In the MCU when you travel back in time, you end up creating a new timeline rather than changing your own timeline because that is now your present.
>>223952153How the fuck are there Nazis in the future if you eliminate the source of the Nazi party in the past? Fucking MCU shit trying to sound smart.
Why not just stop WWI? We would have colonized space by now.
>>223952474you're right, doc should have gone back and killed all the germans before WWI so they couldn't start WWI and then get their asses kicked by the USA which caused them to start WWII which caused them to get their asses kicked by the USA
>>223952474I say we take it back to when fish crawled onto land and stomp that fucker out before he can do any of this to us
>>223952464Because the timeline you jumped from still exists and the future Nazi party found out that you wanted to kill baby hitler and decided to travel to the past to prevent you from killing baby hitler and creating a new timeline where he doesn't exist to create the Nazi party in the new timeline. Your original timeline doesn't change.
think about how hard it was for him just to get his parents to go on a date or whatever, how could he avert the holocaust
>>223952275He really could have. He went from just barely agreeing to solve an immediate life or death situation, to resorting to time travel to solve a problem that could be fixed by better parenting.That complete reversal of Doc's character is the first of several things that make Part 2 the weakest of the trilogy.
but marty how could we stop something that never happened
>>223952433But then he said you can travel back without consequences by putting the stones back in place. Clearly we saw it was all wrong with the TVA taking Loki.
>>223952543he could just tell the jews not to start WWII
>>223952236> Only retarded dipshit californians think…Kettle met pot
>>223952067If killing Hitler is what it takes to get us into the kino Red Alert timeline, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
>>223951639um…awkward!>>223952236Sir, this is a Wendy’s >>223952358*gulp* they’re right behind aren’t they?
>>223952572Them taking the stones and returning them doesn't alter anything ultimately, but Loki running off with the tesseract does.
Someone already went back in time and stopped the holocaust.
>>223952543/thread
>>223952543>>223952675how fucking hard would it be to just go back to 1938 and tell the guy>hey, just let the dude take poland, it's not worth it
>>223952543Flying deloreon drive by on the balcony while he's giving one of his speeches
>>223952691Nobody calls him chicken.
>>223952512>killed all the germans before WWI so they couldn't start WWIlmao american education
>>223952758>>223952758American education went to the moon and won both world wars, troon
>>223952549He also did all that shit to save Marty's son from jail but he couldn't be fucked to warn Marty about the accident he was going to get in that would cripple him for life. The wreck that from his perspective would occur in like a few days. What a funny guy.
>>223952474>Why not just stop WWI? We would have colonized space by now.or never gotten to the moon. rocket tech grew by leaps and bounds due to ww1/ww2.
>>223952549The first one is built around a grandfather paradox. If Marty fades out of existence because he prevented his parents from getting together then he can exist to go back in time and prevent it. But then if they get together and he's born, he goes back and prevents them from having him.
>>223952804>American education went to the moonI guess this is the end result of years of "college is for libtards" rhetoric
>>223952914Then he can't* exist to go back
>>223952914>>223952930he's talking about how the opening premise of back to the future 2 is fucking retarded because the filmed the ending to back to the future 1 without realizing they were going to do 2>Marty I refused to change anything in the past>but now we have to go to the future to change the future>also we need you to do all this convoluted shit>when I could really have just given you a letter telling you to not be such a shithead parent>also I'm not going to tell you to not drag race and break your hand>>223952917American citizens designed, built and flew the apollo rockets. yurop was too busy inventing trannies and blacked
>>223951574There was no holocaust. We put the Japanese in internment camps too, but you dont hear them crying about it and making a movie about it every year.
>>223952524Why would I give a shit if them traveling back in time to try and stop me after the fact would automatically split them off into another timeline? I'd already be living in my timeline where babby Hitler is dead, they can do whatever the fuck they want in theirs.
>>223952474>stop WWI>all wars are still fought to this day with chemical weapons
>>223953065You also never hear about the Holodomor
>>223953277no one cares about dead ukranians because no one cares about dead browns. it's why no one cares about the indian famines
>>223952549>That complete reversal of Doc's character is the first of several things that make Part 2 the weakest of the trilogy.Something else I noticed is that Doc was still very enthusiastic about the concept of time travel at the end of the first movie, even after everything that happened. Then, in part 2 he immediately is blackpilled and going on about how he needs to destroy the time machine to prevent catastrophe.
>>223953660And yet, we never stop hearing about the Holocaust even though nobody cares about it
Back to the Future 2 was such bullshit.
>>223951574I wish I could time travel or was friends with a time traveler. Not gonna post my sob story, but I've had a really bad year. Past few years, actually.
>German extremist nationalism existed as a result of the WWI peace treaty>Weimar Republic also faces an economic depression and attacks/revolts by actual communist groups>American writers think that somehow Hitler pushed Germany into a Nazi stateYou have better odds preventing the high death count of WWII by getting France and the UK to declare war on Germany in like 1937 by making Austria declare war on Germany.
>>223951574The dumbest thing in BttF is when Doc says there won't be a gas station around for another 50 years...Doc knows perfectly well gas is a byproduct of oil refinement and he could have simply traveled to the nearest oil and tar company to have procedured some
>>223952593Unironically killing Hitler at the height of his popularity before he became an unbalanced self-destructive lunatic would be the single greatest timeline win for rightwing nationalism. The Red Alert timeline really is great because no one in it has any qualms about blowing communist heads into putty.
>>223954512finally an actually not bad post ittwould be kino and in character to see doc making a little gasoline still
>>223954645Your post is shit
>>223952236Yeah, I get you. Like, if you killed Hitler at any point, Nazi Germany and WW2 would still happen, except the Fuhrer would be Hans Goober or something. Not even one of those "certain events must happen no matter what" things, Europe in the early 20th century was always at a boiling point.
>>223954718>>223954633God, you zoomers are dumb
>>223951574
>>223954912You didn't post an argument, therefore you conceded. I accept your concession.
The bigger the changes, the more unpredictable the future becomes. Biff becoming ruler of the town was already bad enough. What would killing Hitler do?
>>223954718>>223954633You think those other chumps in the party had the same charisma and swagger as Adolf Hitler?
>>223952067I can’t remember the name of it but there’s this short movie from the 70’s where these couple are in a cabin and a doctor is helping the woman give birth. It’s 15 minutes of this doctor trying to keep the baby alive and he does everything to save it and succeeds. The doctor wraps up the baby and says “Here’s your son Mrs. Hitler” and she looks at her husband and says “Adolf. We’ll name him Adolf”. And that’s the end.
>>223951574what would be the plan for stopping the holocast exactly with 2 people and a car?
>>223955036The world was already at war in 1938, I doubt you could even list 3'world events happening, or how you could define when Hitler went "insane" or what hid one and only goal was as stated in his account in mein kamph
>>223951639His family moved to America in 1908.
>>223955170And took an extended vacation in Germany for a couple of years
>>223952474impossible to stop WW1 since everyone hated eachother and tensions were already growing
>>223955084I would go back further and kidnap 3 year old Hitler. Then bring him back to 1985 and raise him to be a politician.
>>223955065Shit like that feels like it was a cliche in those kinds of shows. There was an episode of an HBO series called Perversions of Science where Jeffrey Coombs plays an alien criminal that eventually gets dumped on a backwater planet called "Earth." Before they do though, his jailors shave him and leave a tiny little mustache because they think it looks funny.This is the very subtle foreshadowing earlier in the episode when they capture him.
>>223955239where are you going to find baby hitler?
>>223955376lmao
>>223955061Yeah. Dictators popped up all over the 20th century because they had the skibidi rizz.
>>223951574>Recast her? Recast who? That's just a timeline shift :^)Devious franchise. Absolutely BUILT for infinite sequel slopification, whoever protected it is a brave man.
>>223954633>at the height of his popularityyou're talking like a very narrow window of 1935. even in germany by that point they could see war coming again and the common people weren't thrilled
>>223955558>and the common people weren't thrilledEvery German and austrian wanted revenge on France, what the fuck are you talking about? God, you people are dumb
>>223952644they werent time traveling tho they were reality hopingthats why they returned the stones so that time line(alt reality) isnt destroyed by whatever.but you know they found the fountain of youth if they could control putting time thru a person to make them young again(instead of random ages from the test)
>Hitler was Le Evil and used mind control powers to trick everyone into voting for him and then starting a war, le no one le wanted!Where the fuck do you guys learn this shit?
>>223952236What the FUCK is a post this intelligent doing on /tv/
>>223951574The holocaust is unironically the one thing stopping nationalist parties going mainstream. If Nazis never committed the holocaust then what moral grounds to people have to oppose them.
>>223955702Lefties and Jews have convinced themselves that Hitler and his merry band where actually Saturday morning cartoon villains. Instead of actual humans whose decision making process extended beyond what's the most evil thing I can do.
>>223952067haha imagine they made a movie where they successfully kill Hitler and return to a Jewish utopia in the present.
>>223952326You're not thinking third dimensionally.
>prevent the holocaust, Marty?>the only way to do that would be to eliminate the jews before Hitler rises to power, but if you think that's a good idea..
why do /pol/fags always resort to one joke all the time?
>>223952236I don’t disagree with your point but you’re awfully pissed off about shit that impacts your life in no way. Have you tried just breathing? Watching the sky while enjoying your favorite snack perhaps. Maybe getting some pussy... Something.
>>223952514If only
>If only I went back in time like in that JEWISH POZZED movie and saved Daddy Adolph....sigh...>then I wouldn't be a virginal loser with a dead-end job...sigh...sigh...
>>223952668>>223952668>Someone already went back in time and stopped the holocaust.
>>223956533checked
If Doc had just prevented Marty's crash the very next day, that would have been enough to improve his future and prevent his kids from being fuckups.
>>223952474Proably France and Germany would be Bolshevik
>>223956721I for one welcome the return of "virgin" as an insult after the cringe chud and incel era
>>223952474But, anon, that is antisemitism.
>>223951574MCFLY!Late for holocaust studies again!Youre a denier just like your old man.How will you ever learn about the shrunken heads, the human skin used as lampshades, the masturbating death machines, prisoners being thrown into cages with giant bears and eagles, electrified floors killing thousands of people, the rollercoaster that delivers prisoners straight into ovens and of course the wooden doors on gas chambers!
>>223955170my german ancestors told this lie too.
>>223954512For that matter, there's a similar solution to the energy problem in Part 1.Inducing a lightning strike is actually stupid easy. All you need is a long spool of wire, and a simple hobby rocket of the sort I'm sure Doc's been able to make since he was a child, and you can make your own lightning strike.Sure, you need to wait for storm clouds for the right conditions, but those are a lot easier to track and plan for than the time and place of a specific rooftop strike.Though it is possible Doc Brown might not have known about that, since the research into induced lightning strikes didn't start until another decade or so.
>>223958181>inducing lightning is so easy, just wait for a lightning storm
>>223957793Great Scott!!
>>223952236this
>>223958313It means they wouldn't be on such a time constraint, because a storm isn't a once-in-a-lifetime event like they were treating the clock-tower strike.Hell, they wouldn't even need to wait in Hill Valley. They could track a storm across the country if they wanted. Florida is always a good bet for storms.
There really is no need for the sequel. Doc acts like there's an urgent need to travel to the future when they can just use his knowledge to make sure those events don't happen.
>>223952236You aren't wrong. As much as we think of personalities like Hitler as uniquely evil, chances are, you walk down a crowded city street on a sunny day, you'll walk past a good dozen of people who'd do as much harm as Hitler if they were put in the same position.
>>223951574>Prevent WWII>Manhattan project never happens>Without backing by the American Government, enriching uranium takes 40 years to develop in the academic community>Less than 100kg of enriched fuel on earth by 1985>Can't power time machine car
>>223951574>ok, so why don't we go back to like 1938 and stop the holocaust?You mean "make sure it happens", right?
>>223958430if have done a lot more in his positiona LOT more, and mine wouldn't be a fiction made up in the 70s either.
>>223952512Germans also started the ice age and extincted the dinersores
>>223952549the events of the first film caused the events of the second film's future.at that point it was about fixing the time lines in the least invasive way possible, and ensuring biff gave his mother giant hoo haas
>>223951574>change history, future historyThat makes no sense, the future is constantly changing
>>223958629no it isn't, it's all preordained by god
For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Hitler only rose to power because of the Judeo-Communists trying to takeover Germany.
>>223958313>>223958366Heck, they wouldn't even need to stick to one hemisphere. Storm season is already over in most of North America? Drive down to South America.
>>223958649you can't say that, since they've rewritten history to paint themselves as the victims.
>>223958649I recently read about the communist party in Weimar Germany and it was legitimately a Jew every other person
>>223958793start looking backwards through entries about Tsar Nicholas the II and the lead up to the murder of him and his family. it goes back to the mid 1800s before he was born.
>>223951574So you didnt watch the movie? All of this is explained retard
Why do so many retards dont understand, that btf has diverging timelines? How dumb are you? The movies literally hold your hand. They even make a little presentation with a fucking diagram and all. How do you brainlets even function?
>>223958889That diagram is in Part 2, and it not only directly contradicts the movie before it, it also directly contradicts at least one scene the filmed for that very movie itself.It was a sequel made because they needed to make a sequel, without any care for consistency.
>>223958918the sequel was filmed before the first film but was shelved due to budgeting constraints, plus the fact they thought no one would be interested in the far future, so they made it about the 1950s, using a lot of reused scenes from 2, and just extended it to make the first film.
>>223958573QED.
>>223952153...if you built a time.machinw in 2026 and went back to the 1890s and killed baby Hitler, how would (now non-existant) Nazis in 1938 travel back in time to stop you? Likely it would be impossible because it would immediately contradict the entirety of the future that led up to you building a time machine in the first place, so it simply wouldn't be allowed by whatever hypothetical reality this is that makes time travel possible.
>>223959414>it's a hypothetical reality but it has to follow MY made up rules
>>223958649cast her
>>223951574why would you want to though
>>223958948Is that why they recast a couple of actors between films?
>>223955201It was mostly people thinking WW1 would be over in 3-6 months. They did not know what they were getting into.
>>223959446Well we're already talking about a hypothetical reality. As time travel is impossible in this one. But your idea is stupid. How would (at the point of you going back in time to kill Hitler as a child) now non-existant Nazis in 1938 travel back in time to stop you if 1) the time machine wasn't built until 2026, and 2) there wouldn't be Nazis that know Hitler at the very least in 1938 in this timeline.
>>223959556Dunno, I didn't read any of the posts and just made fun of yours
>>223958793>>223958836you guys are talking crazy jews have always been targeted just for being jews, never for their behavior or actions in Germany or any of the other 109 countries
>>223959570Lol sure you did. So cringe. Shouldn't you be in school, kid?
>>223952691>hey, just let the dude have ukrainewait
>>223959596Given the takeover of Crimea, no one actually cares what happens in/to Ukraine. It's just that they managed to rape the Russians when they were trying to rush the capital, so now it's a great battleground to bleed Russia
>>223959470>Grape meat back on the menu, saars!
>>223956533It’s established that the Delorean is fixed in space as it travels through time, appearing in the same location when it exits to a new time. They would indeed need to travel to Germany to kill baby Hitler. It’s never established how fast the flying modified Delorean travels, or how often it needs to refuel, so a transatlantic trip may require shipping the Delorean by sea. Shipping cargo has to be inspected before loading. It would be difficult to hide the unusual modifications and potential radiation from a fusion reactor. It’s unlikely they could pass shipping regulations. You see how this complicates things? Killing Hitler would really be more trouble than it’s worth.
>>223959642>Delorean is fixed in spaceOh damn so the Earth is immediately gonna be gone considering the entire solar system is moving through space at 300 miles a second or something?
>>223959596it's what the Ukrainian people want unfortunately their leader isn't ethnically Ukrainian
>>223959642>It would be difficult to hide the potential radiation from a fusion reactorOh yeah, gotta worry about all those early 1900s radiation detectors.>>223959694Oh here we go. I always love when we get to this point, because then I get to try to explain the fact that there is no such thing as a universal frame of reference. If you remove yourself from the universe, let the universe move for 30 years, and then put yourself "back where you were", there is no definition for "where you were". In reference to the center of the galaxy, the solar system would have moved. But in reference to the center of another galaxy, it would be somewhere else entirely. And in reference to the center of the Earth, it wouldn't have moved at all.Way I see it, the most logical outcome is that you are tied to the local center of gravity while time traveling, just like you are now, traveling forward at one second per second.
>>223952464There’s actually be 3 timelines my smooth brained friend. The original timeline, one where you go back in time and kill hitler, and one where nazis go back in time before you and save Hitler from being killed. This goes into multiple universes being bunched up together with different outcomes but I’m sure you also couldn’t answer how you’d feel if you didn’t eat breakfast this morning.
>>223959786but I is eat breakfast
>>223959758but what about consciousness being an independent variable?
>>223959608I bet ladybug was thinking that before getting hit by a missile
>>223959642I'd fly back and give Hitler the machine, along with fusion tech, nuclear power, time travel and hover flight capabilities, which is what no one else did
>>223959487yes, it was unavoidable
There was hilarious cartoon where hitler tries to enter art academy while time traveling jews and liberals try to assassinate him and he gets so annoyed he decides to go into politics and have them all exterminated
>>223959826What, like, you appear where your mind thinks you should appear?On the base level, that is has the same result, because you don't usually think of yourself as moving through the universe at millions of miles a second.It does have the potential for a fun story element where you can become a teleporting demi-god just by learning how to change your own perception though.
>>223955777V2 program alone was comic book tier. Hey we in deep shit let's build rockets to bomb London pointlessly wasting more money than american atom bomb project instead of building extra 10 000 tanks and 20 000 planes
>>223959596Well. Yeah. Ukraine is Russian land. Ukrainians are Russians. >t. Russian-Ukranian
more like Farty McFly LOL
>>223951574>IM GOING BACK IN TIME TO FUCK ELENOR ROOSEVELT AT GUNPOINT!
>>223953890the jews care about it. what we don't hear about is all the browns like the homos, polaks and gypsies, killed because no one cares about dead browns
>>223954344good
>>223954441why would austria, the nazi country, declare war on the nazis?
>>223954633hitler was a lefty, thoughbeit
>>223951574>I already did and they’re still acting like it happened what’re ya gonna do
>>223955084>>223955239>>223955423easy, get the Libyans to steal you more plutonium and then nuke germany
>>223958722>Drive down to South America.At this point in the story they would still need roads. The Darien gap has no roads.
>>223955523that shit is getting remade the second zemeckus dies
>>223955739that's why the jews faked the holocaust so they could push globo homo and economic zones
>>223955777please don't call yuropoors humans>>223956562why are you jewish?
>>223956721>>223956562>>223957772
>>223957734>2 watches>>223958181the lightning strike thing was easy because Marty already knew about it and it was only a few weeks in the future anyway. plus the thematic >the clock tower stopped tickingstuffDoc even mentions that it's easy to do, but you would need to know about the storm before hand>>223958367>There really is no need for the sequel.money.pretty sure the jews told zemeckus he had to make a sequel or they would do it without him
>>223958864he explains why he couldn't have told marty about the truck or stopped the holocaust or 9/11?
>>223958948>>223959487>>223959853what? the whole point of back to the future was that zimikus saw his parents year book or something and wondered if he would be friends with his dad. like the entire premise was going back in time and meeting your parents at your age. they made the sequels years later because the studio made them. half of BttF2 is just fucking scenes from BttF
>>223959534>>223955201they didn't have indirect fire canons until WWI and they didn't really use MGs very well until WWI. Like during the spanish American war Teddy Roosevelt mentioned using gatling guns basically as canons. So dudes were basically just shooting at each other in lines like the revolutionary war from like 600-800 yards apart and if you go pull up something like the battle of san juan hill only something like 2% of the guys in the battle died as a result of the battle
>>223961098>half of BttF2 is just fucking scenes from BttFand it's the most kino half
>>223959587this. tons of independent cultures independently decided to make up fake stories, all with the exact same details, about jews poisoning wells and eating babies >>223959596how does giving russia ukraine affect me?
>>223959642>and potential radiation from a fusion reactor.first off, the fact it's a delorean would be weirder than the modifications, second, how the fuck would they be able to detect radioactivity in fucking 1938? there's no fucking way they had and were using portable geiger counters or some other form of radiation detector on cargo in 1938
>>223951574>build a time machine and kill all the people that want to kill baby Hitler.Now we're repairing the world.
>>223959967>hey, instead of building a lot of tanks, let's build a handful of really heavy tanks that break all the fucking time and get stuck in the mud and can't cross bridges
>>223961172how would they have shot back to the future 2 before they shot back to the future if it uses scenes from back to the future?
>>223961352time travel
