This movie makes no fucking sense.
>>223960256The ghosts are happy being dead and feel like he and his family will be happy when they're dead too.
it's about trauma.
>>223960256>This movie makes no fucking sense.
>>223960256which part?
>>223960256Jack molested Danny
what don't you get? a drunk guy sees an automatic pantry door and assumes it's the work of ghosts, so he starts hallucinating ghosts.
>>223960256He's literally me
>>223960297HA HA HA SCAREDY CAT
>>223960256maybe it is a fitting analogy for the holocaust after all as has been claimed
>>223960297WENDAAAAHY
>>223960256The Overlook Hotel is explicitly stated in the movie to be built on an Indian burial ground and the ghosts are really the spirits of natives haunting the white family so as to punish them for all the colonizing / genocide conducted by their ancestors
>>223960256Yeah but like, the fan theories bro.
If he had been alone, without his family and had plenty of booze, would he have been a good caretaker and got a lot of writing done?
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>>223960297shelly duvall was so good in this
>>223960449he would have burned the place down on day 1
>>223960372All of America is an indian burial ground (don't mess with Providence, lamo)
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>>223960543>>223960467>>223960256she was bullied and had a mental breakdown caused by Kubrick
>>223960372stephen king isn’t capable of nuance.
Literally what is not to get>>223960455God hes so good, theres no actors of that caliber this century
>>223960557>the same documentary has an interview with her>she explains away this faux controversy before it even beganBELIEVE WOMEN.
>>223960557Kek thats from behind the scenes? She looks like some poor naive girl completely unprepared
>>223960467She's sensational. I understand that Kubrick had to bully the shit out of her and treat her like garbage to get the performance but it worked. Don't know how some posters here can seriously suggest she's no good in it but I guess there's no accounting for taste.
>>223960557>that webmGood for her standing up to the prima donna director
>>223960256The best MKUltra themed flick ever made
>>223960256Its based on a stephen king novel so the most basic, surface-level interpretation is the most correct one.>family has problems lurking under the surface>family goes to a remote place>said place is a Place of Evil and bad things have happened there as a result>family problems come to the surface, partly becaise of the isolation and partly because of Bad Place>kid has supernatural powers>kid knows its a Bad Place>bad things happen>guy that did bad things is punished/consumed by Bad PlaceThe fucking end.
>>223960372This is just a pseudo intellectual bullshit made up by a boomer in the Room 237
>>223960599>God hes so good, theres no actors of that caliber this centuryHe is but those micro glances were a specific direction from Kubrick, not an actor's decision.
>>223960626i've always thought she was just a bit too corny in this. it's distracting and a mar on the film. it's definitely an INTERESTING performance, and i think i understand why people like her (she is strangely charming). but it's like Mark Hamill in the first Star Wars: is it hammy/cheesy/hysterical as a totally-on-purpose retro/camp throwback, or is it simply bad acting?
>>223960700What are some of the specific moments where you found her performance too corny?
>>223960636>>223960621>>223960617part 2
>>223960759I like her, she's not a pushover.
>>223960742>specific momentsyou've got me anon, it's been a while.but basically any time she's yelling "Jack" or generally being hysterical. i don't buy it. her happy with the kids or talking on the radio? fine.not even just the axe-waving stuff, but like halfway in the movie she does a dainty little run up to Jack, "jaaaack? [gasp]" "..." "...and you didn't see anything at all? ;___;" it's like you can feel the beats.it's not grounded/BPD hysteria. it's more like how teenager girls would scream in 1950s-60s sci-fi and horror films.
>>223960455I fucking hate these "did you know that......." shorts on TikTok and YouTube. It has brainrotted at least two generations by now already.
>>223960759>>223960557part 3
>>223960893Her ears are HUGE
>>223960275>>223960256When you realise Kubrick is beyond based
>>223960874>it's not grounded/BPD hysteria. it's more like how teenager girls would scream in 1950s-60s sci-fi and horror films.I'd say it's the exact opposite of that. Go watch the scene where Jack confronts her in the lounge. Even small moments like how she responds with "Jack, what are you talking about" come across as genuinely exasperated and panicked.
>>223960667Don't be absurd. The hotel is undeniably haunted and it being built on top of an old Indian burial ground is provided early in the film as the only plausible explanation as to why it's haunted. Maybe the spirits tries to punish the living for commiting sacrilege or maybe the spirits just demands human sacrifice to appease them.
>>223960467actually her acting was shockingly bad in anything except the axe scene
>>223960455ungayified 4U
>>223960256They're haunted because the hotel was built on an ancient Indian burial ground.
>>223961251>indian burial ground>none of the ghosts are indians
>>223960893They had nailed the role in casting itself. She's so sweet that you don't really need all the extra stuff Kubrick made her go through
>>223960759Looks like Hila Klein
>>223960455Jack Nicholson is bad at ignoring the camera, he's always glancing at the camera in movies. It's not a character choice
>>223960449drank all, didn't write anything or drunk gibberish
>>223962080They're pretending to be white because if they showed up as Indian spirits it would be immediately obvious to their victims why they were haunting them
>>223960655I mean why can't it just be about what it's about? Why does it have to have some secret meaning and you need to be some film scholar to decode? And it's actually about “white males doing violence to people who aren’t white males.” and the typewriter is a metaphor for the holocaust or something
>>223960372>>223960667>>223961251>>223962080>>223963075Close. But an ancient burial ground doesn't have a curse on it to hunt white people per se. It's a cursed place that would hunt the natives themselves too. It's a place that's connected to the underworld. It's why they would bury their dead there. But they wouldn't spend any *time* there. It's an evil place. White people disregarding the spiritual aspect of the land and building on it anyway is like building on earthquake prone or volcanic land. It's volatile and very unsafe.The ghosts aren't Indians. Why would they be? The Indians buried there are gone already, shepharded by natives who knew what it was. All the ghosts there are of people who died in the area after the place was built. All white people who have no concept in their heads about what the place really is. The only people that sense it's a corrupt place are the son and the nigger cook.It's a cursed place because it's a curse place. Not because the Indians specifically said "fuck white people this place should hurt them, fuck them." It's not like that. It's part of nature, not part of some faggot pseudo magic that Indians think they can conjure up from nothing. It's a natural font or gyre of energy like a waterfall or a lake is with water.
>>223963253There are no ghosts, it's just a glownigger intervening once when the experiment goes in the wrong direction.
one of the few times Stephen King was actually right, Kubricks version is shitty compared to the bookNot saying Kings adaptation was better but if we're purely talking about creative geniuses, King beats Kubrick
>>223963319yeah, I speak to alot of people who disregard spirituality and only like to focus on practical narratives. If you look at the movie from a purely human conspiratorial viewpoint you can definitely get those CIA vibes from it for sure. The CIA shit is probably Kubrick and the spiritual shit is probably that faggot King.
>>223960557In /tv/, Kubrick is a hero. End of Story!
>>223960893I always loved the fact that Stanley said the best actor he ever directed was based R. Lee Ermey. He could never have bullied him like he did Shelly
>>223963359Stephen, please
>>223963371It's not a mystery Kubrick hated the supernatural part of the Shining. But even in the original book the "ghosts" weren't really ghosts. The hotel itself was a malevolent entity formed by all the bad shit that has ever happened there. It starts as leftovers of distant events getting animated by supernatural abilities, ends as a semi- intelligent entity (not really a "ghost") possessing Jack. All "ghosts" in the book are little more than impersonations.The Overlook is almost the same as the warp drive spaceship from Event Horizon.
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>>223960256He arrives at the mansion already "stark raving mad". The direction + set design saved it.
>>223963319>>223963253>>223963751I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards
>>223960256Scatman literally spells it out for you. Just like he and Danny and other special people “shine”, some places shine too. Overlook’s just built on a place that shines.
>>223960263A man who already hates his family goes crazy from isolation and cabin fever, but then somehow he's possesses by ghosts or some shit and the kid has a talking finger? So is it paranormal or what?
we agree tony was a chad?
>>223960372So what you're saying is that it's woke
>>223960893>If it hadn't been for that>volley... of p-ideas...
>>223960372how come nobody ever acknowledges the 10,000 years of indians geocoding other tribes? it only became a problem when white people showed up and relocated them.
>>223960297>Makes homer something something>....go crazy?>DON'T MIND IF I DOOOOLMAO, it's craz finding out that classic simpsons scene is based on a movie
>>223968539That never happened. Before we got here the indians were a proud people that lived in tune with nature. We corrupted them.
>>223968695that's the most retarded shit i've read on 4chan in the last 24 hours. congratulations.
>>223968715???We destroyed them via our ideas and technology. Instead we should have learned from them and lived as one with nature. They're basically elves and we were the orcs.
>>223968539>how come nobody ever acknowledges the 10,000 years of indians geocoding other tribes?I had no idea that they were that advanced?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_geocoding
>>223968539well,they purposefully used diseases against them. Also fire weapons
>>223968756Sure thing, Chief Running Nose. Steppe nigger dindu, he innocent, it's all white devil's fault.
>>223960256What the hell was he looking at in this scene? Wendy and Danny are out playing in the snow, but then it hard cuts to him staring into space. My theory is that Jack also has The Shining and this is him having a Shining seizure like Danny.
>>223960455the eye can go in all directions, it just so happens to go into the camera, its completely natural, ts not like its a constant or obviously jarring thing
>>223968695Of course it happened. They also ate each other and simply died to bad weather wiping out entire populations. No one genocided them better
>>223960297>Start doing this
>>223960256How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?
>>223968756Yes, orcs are known for their ideas and technology.
>>223960275Who is this guys supposed to be?
>>223960284>there were no ghosts or paranormal things, it was all in Jack’s head This doesn’t explain Danny being able to communicate to Halloran that they’re in trouble.
>>223960256>Alright, so this is the story of a normal family guy going crazy by the end of the movie>Jack, you aren't supposed to look evil in the first 5 minutes of the movie.... Jack, stop doing your classic evil smile during the very first scene. Jack...?this was what made the movie just badthe going insane thing was the main idea behind it and it failed it from the very beginning because Nicholson can't fucking not look crazy
>>223968870to the victor goes the spoils. cry about it.
>>223970662Danny has the Shine.
>>223971159So then there is paranormal stuff in the movie.
>>223971173Yes. It's not exactly spelled out in the movie but it's more clear in the book.
>>223960557Torturing actors is mandatory if you want to get a good performance out of them.
The hotel brings out people's worst impulses. Jack was always an abusive alcoholic who possibly molested his son but it's the malevolent entity surrounding the area that brought it out
>>223965689I refuse to let a Garth Marenghi quote go by unchecked.
>>223960284It was Tony that released Jack from the Pantry. It was Tony that led him into the maze.
>>223960297imagine Robin Williams playing Jack in this scene. Kubrick turned him down due to him 'too psychotic'
it's about vibes
>>223960256I heard a reboot is in the works
>>223972468Why did Tony do all of that? Do you think Hallorann has a 'Tony'? Why didn't that save him? Also this one is out there but do you think Lloyd is Jack's 'Tony' if Jack also has The Shining? He's the only thing Jack shows genuine warmth towards in the movie and I always felt like in the gold room scene he is seperate from everything else going on as even though Jack is clearly getting seduced by the hotel he doesn't act the same way to Grady as he does to Lloyd
>>223970717Evil.
>>223972513I remember reading that too. Robin Williams would have made the movie way more psychotic and scary. But Jack is the most powerful actor of all time so it might not have been as kino. Playing that out in my head, I wonder if it would have hurt Robin Williams' career if he did The Shining because it would have been so over the top, people wouldn't have been able to shake it?
>>223971202What do you mean? Halloran talks to him about at the start of the movie.
>>223972899Robin Williams is good as a goofy actor, but there's just something I don't like about the times he does try to be serious like that robot movie and the thriller about the photos. Also I'm pretty sure he never actually auditioned for the movie
>>223972998Imagine peak 1980s Robin Williams on day five of a coke bender out of coke and trying to hack people to pieces with an axe. That's the type of manic energy he would have brought to the movie. Jack Nicholson is probably the greatest actor of all time. His performance was one of the best of all time and he brought a classic silent cinema movie star villain flair to the role. But I think Kubrick was right in that Williams would have been a lot scarier because his would have been more psychotic.
>>223960557I bet she fucks like mean ally cat in heat
>>223960256> This movie makes no fucking senseAgreed. Still like it for the mood and whatnot. But the kid’smental problems before they get there and Jack being time looped and the ghosts being able to open dooors but not effect much else, just too many internally inconsist rules.Entire thread is cope between ops post and mine
>>223973112I like to think of it as something of a nightmare or a bad dream because I agree, the door unlocking is ridiculous. That's something I've always had trouble with.My wife is obsessed with the ending and trying to figure it out. I always interpreted it as Jack had finally fulfilled his destiny and now joined the other ghosts at the head of the party. But I'm open to all interpretations.
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>>223973148In the gold room bathroom scene with Grady, the Jack of the present had basically realized who he really is, and that is a reincarnation of the Jack we see in the photo. This person finds their way back to the Overlook each time it happens, like Charles Grady. The July 4th, 1921 photograph at the very end isn't showing a man who was retroactively trapped by a curse.
listen, not to dunk on the movie or anything, i just found this incredibly funny. watch the part where jack just slugs the black dude in the chest with the axe in any media player that does audio correction, at 20% speed. when your watching it at normal speed its kinda too fast to really notice, but if you watch it in super slow mo, jack does like 7 different, completely nonsensical facial expressions, including blowing his cheeks out like hes blowing up a balloon and it fucking dangerous to watch. i have cried laughing so hard, almost passing out from lack of oxygen at how fucking funny that scene is if you just watch it that way.it is the fucking funniest shit
>>223974060holy shit you can do this right in youtube nowhttps://youtu.be/IGRNTzU7T-E?t=58set the speed to like .20, and skip to just a second or two before he jumps out. its already set to the right time stamp, 58 secondsabsolutely amazing
>>223960256Its really dumb yea. Idk why boomers thought random shit = scary. I think its beczuse they did too many drugs and had lead in the water.
>>223960297Wendy looks over Jack's shoulder feining surprise. Jack turns to look. She lowers her grip to the bottom of the bat handle and before he can turn back goes into an overhead swing taking advantage of her higher position and gravity. She strikes Jack on top of the skull with all her remaining strength and a loud crack sends him unconscious rolling down the stairs. While he's out cold she restrains him so tightly the Devil himself could not escape. She and Danny tend to their injuries and settle in to wait out the blizzard. Jack has grown increasingly weak in his isolation, muscle atrophy, and been intentionally starved of food to keep him physically weak. When the winter is over the cops come to collect him, repair her car, and she takes Danny home assuring him that Daddy was very sick and he's now getting the help he needs. THE END.
>>223960655even this green text doesn't logically flow
>>223968539Bro what are you retarded? it perfectly okay to kill someone of your own race (even if they are a different ethnicity)
Wait a minute...
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>>223960256Boomer here, and I've always hated this overrated movie. If I hear one more fucking reference to that fucking, "Here's Johnny!", line I'm going to go fucking crazy and homicidal myself. I'll start by running my car over Dustin Hoffman while he's walking across the street and yell out the window, "I'm driving here asshole!"Seriously, as much as I could otherwise say positive things about Jack Nicholson as an actor, Kubrick as a director, King as a writer, or this movie in a vacuum, I'm so sick to my gut of the ridiculous praise heaped on this barely above meh film that I can't bring myself to do so. It has got way, WAY more than its fair share of praise and doesn't need any more from me. There are a gazillion other horror movies I'd rather watch that don't have annoying gay titles and stupid psychic kids for no real reason.On the negative side there's so much stupid shit in this film that fucking laughable I don't know where to start. Oh look it's 'murder' spelled backwards. Bravo King. I kinda like the surreal stuff, the isolated location is actually a good idea, the visuals are cinematic, but fuck me what a truly lame result vs potential for all that effort and subsequent herp durring about it. It's basically one of those barely sensical up-its-own-arse Twilight Zone ghost episodes that runs too long but in Technicolor™.
>>223960557Antagonising a woman with a knife in her hand? It's hard to believe he was ever married. You could lose the title of 'genius' real quick doing that shit.
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>>223960372This is something I was thinking about recently. Weren't most, if not all, Indian tribes nomadic? So it's not like the burial sites would have many people in them, certainly not as much as a traditional cemetery. They'd move somewhere, live and die there for a bit, then move somewhere else. If anything, it's the places where great battles took place that'd be haunted as fuck. Especially any site where you had two Indian tribes fighting each other. They were pretty brutal to each other.
>>223968885Movie specficially states that he also have some shining, but it's weaker and he is unaware of it.
