Why do contrarians think this is better than the modern dune films?
That Spanish freak proved that the source material substance is too foreign for any audience so started designing a version based on style (that also proved unfilmable).This version's style simply shits all over the Canadian's bland ugliness that pays no attention to style.
>>224065022For me, its mini-series Chani
>>224064958/tv/ still refuses to accept that the dune films were meteorically successful, widely loved, and are unironically masterpieces. I will however concede that zendaya's casting and chani's altered role was a catastrophic mistake and probably the single biggest flaw in the films, but the rest of it is so good that I can look past it. But yeah /tv/ is and always has been a contrarian board, in many ways the opposite equivalent of reddit, whereby reddit automatically loves [current thing] whilst teevee automatically hates it.
>>224064958I thought modern Dune ended with the second movie. Now they are doing a third? Does it really need to stretch out to three movies?
So they can pretend to be 2smart4u by sucking off Lynch, even though they're both shit "adaptations".
Lynch's Dune is arguably his worst film, but exhibits flashes of brilliance throughout. I've never seen the Villeneuve version, but I'd imagine it's pretentious modern slop, lauded by the midcult, which probably trades Lynch's elaborate production design and classical lighting for some brand of minimalist commercial sludge.
>>224064958For me it's the moment in the theater for the release when AJ was laughing uncontrollably when he realized how shitty Lynch's DUNE was.
its interesting and not as boring
>>224065066I associate "Tiberian Sun" and its soundtrack with "Dune."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYAyN8_wO3w
>>224064958Because it is
>>224065229Please. Jodorowsky isn't half the director Lynch was, and even though it was very flawed and compromised by studio interference, Lynch at least got his movie made. He should stand back.
>>224064958I remember a lot of this film despite not having watched it in yearsI don't really remember much of the new DUNC films (though I remember generally enjoying them)The voice over parts of Original Dune is pretty bad though
>>224064958It´s not contrarianism, it´s an objective fact. The essence of epics is romanticism. The romanticism of an empire on a planet among the stars, the romanticism of a coven of space witches trying to control the universe, the romanticism of a child from another world that finds true destiny and belonging in Arrakis and becomes it´s messiah. That´s Lynch´s movie and it´s backed up by art design that really makes it look the part. Villeneuve movie on the other hand is more...mundane. It lacks the magical and supernatural elements, it highlights the political machinations and paint the messianic dreams as no more than spice side effects, the bene gesserit as a cult ruled by political ambition rather than by magics and Paul himself as a political player that goes along with playing the role of the fake messiah for political ambition. It is a common issue with movies of this age. Dredd, Nolan´s Batman, his Odyssey, Total Recall 2012 all feel more grounded, mundane and relatable to contemporary culture and less theatrical in nature than their older counterparts. This right here is the reason movies no longer feel timeless. There is no aim for transcendence or even recognizable identity. Lynch may have thought Dune is worst but even at his worst he is superior than Villeneuve at his best (albeit granted Dunc is not his best, 2049 is his best but i´m trying to make a point here)
>>224064958I really hate that they waste the Abomination line on Paul and not Alia. Paul is literally what they were trying to create While Alia is a freak child that shouldn't have survived and had the knowledge and experience of generations of Reverend mothers. It's dumb as fuck. Cutting her out of the movie makes no senese. Chani hating Paul is trash. The general costume and set and prop design is trash.The original Dune suffered from trying or having to fit and explain a crazy world and social structure into a movie length experience. You can argue the sound devices are shit way to explain the weirding way or that t has nothing to do with the actual book version at all. But still I feel a decision made to fit the movies time constrictions.So in all to me The first Dune movie falls short trying to fit massive scope into limited time. The new Dune movies are shit decisions or just outright "fuck this, I want to do something different, because".
>>224064958>>224065022fpbp
>Exposition Dump>Fade out>Fade back in>Oh yes. I forgot to tell you>Additional exposition dump>Roll opening credits>Additional "Secret Guild Report" exposition dumpAt this point I'm fucking checked out of this movie. Are you fucking kidding me right now? Seriously? Get to the freaking movie you motherfuckers! Who does this Lynch dude even think he is? Then some fucking Giant Slug thing with hands and feet starts talking about 2 more planets. Fucking Ix and how they have better machines than some other planet Richese. None of that was in the exposition dumps! You've already thrown fucking 6 planets and 5 factions at us and the movie barely even fucking started!I see now why the critics call the source material “notoriously impenetrable” and why book readers who have managed to digest it often settle into a palpable smugness over that achievement.And they are saying how much of the story is devoted to sci-fi bureaucracy. Which elites have import/export rights in which provinces? What are the specific bylaws governing a leadership transition? If someone wants to lodge a complaint, which regulatory body must they contact?Like hella come on man! I didn't fucking sign up to play a session of fucking Twilight Imperium! I just wanted to sit back and watch a comfy movie and now I'm upset and came here to rant about it because it is not going to fucking happen! You told me Lynch Dune was fucking kino, you motherfuckers you! Is there a way to watch this without the massive exposition dumps? Also please no smug BookBros takes. We get it, the text is notoriously impenetrable and you have a grasp on one of the most difficult Sci-Fi stories of all time. Don't want to hear it anymore.
>>224067321Im sick of seeing this DOG of a woman in everything. Enough is Enough.
>>224065022Literally the sole reason why chuds started to pretend that Lynch's Dune is good.
New dune is style over substance. Villenueve is a hack as proved by his blade runner fiasco. Lynch dune is also shit
>>224067321Note how all the evidence chuds have for Zendaya being ugly is blurry, because they literally have to go through her films frame by frame to find one where she isn't gorgeous
>>224067512>blade runner fiasco10/10 kinoeveryone on /tv/ agreed until Vileneuve cast Zendaya in this, then the typical chud revisionism kicked in and y'all had to pretend that he was always bad
>>224065022>>224065066Zendaya actually looks like book Chani. Dark and elfan is literally all she needed to be and no other adaptation even attempted that.
>>224067553>everyone on /tv/ agreedNot the endorsement you think it is.
>>224064958Ive never seen this but the idea of telling all of Dune in a two hour film sounds very funny to me
>>224067553Nah blade runner is pure hubris. Nobody needed a direct sequel, let alone one devoid fo substance yet so attached to the previous one. You'd get a more profound feeling hiring a whore to speed read you the novel while you edge to Gosling pouting. Villenueve is a charlatan.
>>224067972It was kino and you know it
>>224067997Sicario is his only enjoyable film. Prisoners has some ok ideas. Incendies is a tryhard Rube Goldberg story born from the dross of contemporary theatre. Dunc is an adaptation devoid of imagination and wonder and blade runner is as unnecessary and subversive as Amazon's RoP. It sucks.
>>224068120>subversiveHow is it 'subversive', retard? because there is a black person in it?
>>224066008>You can argue the sound devices are shit way to explain the weirding way or that t has nothing to do with the actual book version at all. But still I feel a decision made to fit the movies time constrictions.They wanted their version of a lightsaber for toys. DUNE 1984 was all about trying to be the next Star Wars at it's heart, as was the fad at the time.
>>224064958>liking soul is contrarian shoo shoo back to the loo
>Old movieConvoluted mess with good white actors>New movieConvoluted mess whit shitty DEI cast
>>224068142Its subversive because it subverts the narrative of the original you /pol/baiting retard. The novel and film leave an open ended narrative, but Villenueve dains to answer that question for plot reasons and the proceeds to ask the same question with a hundred times as much bwaaah sounds and less entertaining noir, bland cgi and a hackneyed le resistance storyline.
>>224064958Actually, initially I thought the modern Dune films were better for being closer to the books. However, now that stronk black woman Liet-Kynes has turned into Chani leading an atheist Fremen faction that lives on the south side of Arrakis who openly question Paul as the Lisan al-Gaib to the full blown fanfiction bullshit in the upcoming third movie, the new Dune movies change just as much shit as the old David Lynch Dune movies while being considerably less interesting while doing it.So, yes. The old Dune movie is actually better.
>>224067556>elfanNot orcan
>>224069051Why black? Surely they should have made stillsuits that wouldn't stand out so clearly against the white desert sand.
>>224067522its ok we know you shill her so hard because of you identify with her mullato skin and mutt featuresthere's no reason to lie
>>224067556Wow! Great! Villanueve captured the least important aspect of the character!
>>224064958The Lynch version was ludicrous but it had near perfect casting. Every character was almost exactly as I imagined them when I read the book. The exception was Gurney.
>>224064958The sandworm designs from the 84' movie are better but the ornithopter designs are absolute ass.
>>224067488No I always thought it was better But as usual you will pick whatever is laziest and run with jt
>>224065086It’s slop anon
>>224067556Zendaya is not even remotely elfan, also book chani has red hair
>>224064958The Spicediver edit is so much closer to the vibes that Dune should have compared to the modern films. The soundtrack, the acting, the sets, the costumes, are all kino in the 1984 version. Its only big flaw, and its a fatal flaw, is that it is forced to tell the whole Dune story in a 2 hour movie. Still, the 1984 gets so much right, while the modern stuff gets so much wrong.
>>224064958It's a good film but the retarded looking shields is one of the most disastrous special effect decisions in hollywood history.
>>224067522zendaya is flat chested, anon
>>224067522
>>224069881are you?
>>224069418Chani doesn't have any personality at all in the book or otherwise. You shes barely in it and completely stoic when she is. What could you possibly want changed from how Zendaya plays her?
>>224064958Because of Navigator, simple as
>Zendaya will rule as God Emperor at the end of Dunc 3. You KNOW it's gonna happen.
>>224064958I'm not a contrarian. It's just better.
>>224067372she's just so damn pretty.
>>224065061There is nothing remotely exotic, difficult to grasp or unfilmable about Dune.
>>224070078Naw, it's Alia that'll take Leto ii's place. Paul becomes an abomination instead of her, cap this.
>>224069196You want to stand out so you can be found when you want to be found. They have cloaks for concealment. It's a bit like if you wore orange in the arctic.
>>224067372>filters low IQ, doomscroll brained brownsIt's even more kino now
>>224067556if shes supposed to be elfan why is she a nigger? checkmate retard faggot
>>224068224>They wanted their version of a lightsaber for toys.They wanted this shit to be a toy? You gotta be fucking kidding me?> HEY KIDS! Burst the organs of your best buds with your very own Weirding Module.
>>224064958We saw it when we were younger and it evokes a different set of moods than the newer movies. At the time some of the effects were quite impressive. I don't expect someone so young and stupid to understand. I love the Nolan Batman movies but I will always have a special feeling about the 1989 Batman because it's fucking awesome and I was a kid when it came out and it was a really big deal and we saw it as a family and then got the VHS to endlessly watch.You don't know what contrarian means. OP is a fag.
>>224070755kek
>>224064958Read the book when I was a teen, don't remember a thing from it. Saw the new movies with my dad in theatres. Finally watched the original a few years ago. I have no bone in this fight, I don't care about the politics. However, the original made me feel things the new one didn't. The sets were awe inspiring and felt so much more alive. I don't care if the new movies are more true to the book. The original made a world I wanted to actually visit and dream of. I felt nothing 5 minutes after the I finished the new ones. Call me a contrarian but my heart is honest and I will follow it.
>>224070755>HEY KIDS! Burst the organs of your best buds with your very own Weirding Module.You're the kind of sissy who'd ask for Captain Kangaroo pajamas for Christmas over the Johnny 7 One Man Army
the GUILD does not TAKE your orders
>>224064958Spicediver Cut is.
>>224070939First off, this made my day, fucking hilarious.But my point is, points are the weirding module fucking ugly, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing designed to sell to kids. And it's use is not a laser sword or laser gun from the future or from outer space but a device that manipulates and amplifies sound waves to mainly do internal damage or set off chain reactions that explode things. You can't easily translate the concept of sound waves exciting atoms into rupturing vital organs and making things spontaneously combust into the equivalent of a Nerf gun for a kid.
>>224071118And don't forget it has a neck strap attachment that goes along with it.It just doesn't seem like a toy friendly design.
>>224071118>>224071131EEEEEEEEEEEEE Saw!
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>>224070866>The original made a world I wanted to actually visit and dream ofAnd that's what movies are supposed to be doing.
>>224069837Fuck u i liked them. They make more sense visually then whole bzz i'm under shield bzzzz i kill ya like it's kids playing pretend.
>>224064958Lynch really filters 3rd world minds, and I appreciate that about him.
>>224064958I can recall exactly what the Lynch heighliners, house frigates, house troops and noble uniforms looked like.I cannot recall the same with the villeneuve films even though I saw them much more recently than the lynch ones.Make of that what you will.
>>224064958they are pretentious. this movie is shit and the new ones are infinitely better
>>224064958>Why do contrariansyou just answered it yourself
>>224067997the scenes with bautista are absolutely kino. After that, not worth the watch. I rewatched it once and still fell asleep in the middle act: almost an hour of movie which can be summarized with one sentence
>>224064958the modern dune films are terrible. Awful pacing, ugly to look at. Lynch's film has problems but isn't aggressively bad like dunc.
>>224065061>Canadian'sHe is Quebecois, we don't claim him
>>224071333>pretentiousThe word used by unimaginative dimwits everywhere.
>>224064958As an indian i can say we cant stand david lynchs movies. we don't get the appeal
>>224064958It's weird enough stylistically that it fits better. Dunc 1 and 2 are too sanitized and are less accurate to the book. Nu Dune is basically slop.I remember reading something like the dialogue in nu dune is like characters talking at each other instead of to each other like a real conversation
>>224071467great example anon
>>224067372original theatrical release didn't have that, just starts with the movie. It flopped in theaters so they added that 16 minute introduction because market research shows that people who watch movie versions of books they don't read are so unbelievable retarded you have to explain everything to them. Those retards are still right here in this very thread!>Siaynoq bitches!
>>224064958Still can't believe Patrick Stewart starred in this.
>>224071467>ur dumb!hahaha just proves his point
>>224067556More like a fucking Uruk
The new Dune films try too hard to be cool. You can tell by the way they shoot certain scenes. They’re all the male equivalent of girlboss moments when Paul has his “cool moments” like the gom jabbar, ”I’m pointing the way” and “long live the fighters”The entire premise of dune 3 is the chant, which is cool but it’s not Dune. The color palette sucks ass and chani is extremely unlikable to anyone that doesn’t live in a blue city Lynches dune however does not try to be cool. It tries to be dune, it doesn’t shy away from the bizarre, and the camp. Paul has cool moments but it’s not about being cool it’s just the story. When he shouts long live the fighters it fills you with emotion, not “dude that’s epic” like in villenueves. As a few closing remarks I’d also say that there’s magic in Lynches dune that just isn’t there in Villenueves. What’s the point in him taking the water of life in dunc? His eyes go blue and he becomes a bit robotic. He almost jobs to Feyd Rautha still, and the sole reason he gets away with his ascension is because he’s threatening to destroy all spice.In Lynches dune he feels like a Kwizats Haderach, whatever the fuck that is. He’s a being beyond everyone around him. The only reason he comes close to losing to Feyd is because he plays completely fair, he uses the voice on Feyds corpse immediately after to show just how easy he could’ve ended him if he chose to.Lastly i think 1984 dune has one of the greatest father son relationships on the silver screen ever. When you watch that as a boy or man, you think of your father when he screams to the heavens that the sleeper has awakened, you think of how you long for your dad to be able to die knowing you have become the man he thought you could be. In DUNC Paul’s dad is just Oscar Isaac in a beard. They might as well just be two random characters that share screen time
>>224071696Just calling people "pretentious" for liking a movie is not going to warrant a better, more thoughtful response.
The problem with Nune (new dune) and its core is that they’re clearly written for modern audiences with modern tastes and palettes while Lynches dune was made in the best decade of a sci-fi like Dune.NUNE could have literally been any other space movie made in the last decade. It’s pure spectacle big screen slop. Every scene every plot point every character motivation is set to have either an immediate or soon approaching WOWSOCOOL payoff. It’s the same shit that happened to game of thrones after season 3 or arguably as soon as season 2 where almost every scene was rewritten to be a quip battle
>>224065143aww, don't feel bad OP. I had a sensible chuckle at your cute bait. Keep trying!
>>224064958I'm a DUNC hater, but I don't think the Lynch Dune is the better film. Not sure I think DUNCs are objectively better either, though.What I do think is that Dune 84 has things in it you won't see or hear in anything else; whilst DUNC has things I've seen in video games and vg concept art for 20 years. If I had never seen Dune 84 I'd be missing out on imagery, concepts and music because there's nothing else like it. If I'd never seen DUNC I would have completely the same knowledge about everything; I even already knew Zendaya was mid and Villeneuve was capable of boreslop.Also DUNC is simply overrated.So after all this I'd prefer to rewatch 84 and tell people about it rather than parrot DUNC slop again.I also think Blade Runner 2049 is one of the best movies of the 2010's. So I'm not even a Villeneuve hater.
>>224070078You can literally see her nipples wtf was she thinking and why did Tom allow this?
>>224071205>His name is a killing word...
>>224065223>Lynch's Dune is arguably his worst filmeh? He didn't finish it. The studio suits "knew better" and stepped in....
>>224068421>Old movie>Convoluted mess with good white actors>New movie>Convoluted mess whit shitty DEI castFinally someone fucking said it.
>>224067997>kinoyeah, maybe, cinematicaly it was tight but the story was absolute garbage along with the character "development". Modern LA/Hollywood writing is absolute shit.
>>224068142neat
To me it just comes down to thisA fantasy/sci-fi movie or book needs to instill emotion and immersion and a sense of longing for this fantastical world that doesn’t exist. talking about Camelot, Conan the Barbarian, Dune84, the original Star Wars, Troy to an extent, Lord of the RingsCompare that to new movies that tackle the same genre and might look cool but doesn’t give a lasting impression whatsoever. the odyssey, King Arthur legend of the sword, DUNC, valerian, rebel moon. I guess the tldr could be that Lynch takes you on a journey into another world and Villenueve takes you on a theme park ride
>>224067372>critics call the source material “notoriously impenetrable”>book readers who have managed to digest Bro its literally a book, it has the next word and the next word right there. You just read it. Call me smug but you sound like a fucking retard to me. The book is literally a fucking straightforward explanation of itself in English words there is nothing to penetrate, there is no difficulty in digesting it, its just word word word and you read them like you read these ones. You have built layers of bullshit blaming others for vague behavioral crimes because its an easy on-the-side recreational activitiy for other people to read a science fiction fantasy book whereas to you it simply MUST BE a pompous display of feigned intellectualism by people STRUGGLING to WORK to DIGEST le complicated word words.
>>224065086Counterpoint: Villememe can't make movies, especially sci fi, and the new movies are ugly, unwatchable, empty and have a laughable cast.
>>224072065To be fair it’s a lot harder to bring books like Dune and Speaker for the Dead, that have a lot of internal dialogue and non-visuals. And not-so overly visualized set pieces. Than say Lord of the rings that while very very heavy is extremely detailed in everything and easy themes to understand, fear hope, evil good. Like how do you direct a scene where Paul realises that the sietches REEK of sweat cum ammonia and methane without making the movie seem extremely silly
>>224067522Looks like shit.Once again the detractors are right
>>224067553>Villanova SlopRunner>10/10 kinolmao>>224067997ahahahahah
dune was, as all good scifi is, at once about a world utterly alien to us and about themes utterly dear to us. the plot is drawn from the war of the roses, similar to GoT. the spice is an analogue for oil. but to say these reductive things does not capture how Herbert was able to combine these inspirations into something singular. think of all the stuff dune has taught us:walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the wormthe slow blade pieces the shieldthe litany against fearthe idea that one can see or feel one's purpose and find it "terrible" the idea of the sardaukar and the jihadi fremen being two sides of the same coinit all comes together. It's a dream, like most of lynch's work, but with internal consistency. it doesn't just have one message.
>>224069490The worms are important, the ornishitter is just a brief sequence
>>224069837I love the idea of the shields being polygonal structures encasing the user, much more creative than the usual bubble or halo. Their mistake was that the technology to make it look good definitely wasn't there.
>>224065277you know that klepacki did soundtrack for a westwood dune strategy game, right?
>>224064958it gets the weirdness of Dune without just copying the text and doing le modern flat aesthetic
>>224071811>Blade Runner 2049 is one of the best movies of the 2010'sChrist, imagine the others...
whereas i would agree with the other posters about Villeneuve's scifi. they're ok. there's nothing there that challenges you. I feel like blade runner 2049 enjoyers are memory holing the part where the whole thrust of the movie is to unearth aged Harrison Ford who is just so unnecessary. hey remember Trinity? she's in this. the whole thing is unnecessary. It's a sequel to a film that doesn't really ask any questions that weren't asked better by the original. i will watch it because i am starved for scifi and i want it to be good. but it isnt.the new dune, desu i can't even remember if i watched it. i think i did when it came out? I remember a lot of BWOOOM and everything being color graded all to mexico.Villeneuve, the guy is an ok cinematographer, not a good director. but what should we be comparing him to? that's the thing! I don't blame people for wanting there to have been good movies in the last decade. but there just... aren't too many... something shifted. the foundation cracked. the environment no longer selects for good, the profit motive is no longer aligned, if it ever was, or maybe we're just so much better at chasing it to the exclusion of everything else. so, more villeneuve, more nolan, that's what you get.
you don't like zendaya, well, too bad, we're not bringing up any other actresses. i mean look at her trajectory, her acting experience is from the disney channel, what do you expect? she's doing her best. is her range kind of limited, yeah but people like that now. they like rdj or whoever to just walk on set and be themselves. they like when the SNL cast "cracks", they watch compilations of it. don't get me started with anime, where guys who spend all day playing videogames watch animes about guys being isekai'd into some kind of a fuckin videogame.another poster said "mundane". i think that's the right word. think about how much money it cost to make something so expected, so inoffensive. you want to criticize the sequel for telling a story about strong female character who knows better leads her people to victory? we don't know how to tell any other story now man. maybe the trump derangement syndrome is real in that it gets people so used to being right so easily that they cant imagine being put in a situation where they have to think to figure out whether things are good or bad. that kind of situation scares them. it cannot exist. it must be written out.
>>224064958My favourite part was when John Dune was about to fight Sting and Sting pulls out his knife and says "This is going to sting"
>>224072394
80s kids loved this movie even though critics hated it. Don't let the revisionism fool you. Not perfect but liking it isn't contrarian
>>224067522Jesus christ, what an abomination.
411 million on a budget of 165 million. that's all you need to know. it was designed to get butts in seats. for that you need actors people recognize already and shots that look big, so people know "i need to go to the theater for this"
>>224072485>double it for the marketing and promotion>take a cut for the theatersit barely broke even
>>224072485oh, and a well known IP. prisoners did 3x its budget, but prisoners 2 wasnt going to get you that 400 mil.villeneuve understood the assignment: leech off a known ip with nostalgia value, make it all dark and gritty because people confuse that with deep; make enough money to buy another house.
>>224072396Kino
>>224072496bitch please
>>224067556Skinny, elfin and tawny-red hair.
>>224070195Have you even read God Emperor of Dune? It's just page after page of people yapping with a giant sentient worm from beginning to end. How would you adapt that for the screen?
>>224072584one must separate brian herbert dune from frank herbert dune
>>224072584that just means you can put 70% of the budget into the throne room set, 10% into the garden with d wolves outside leto's citadel and 20% into the bridge scene. totally filmable just like I, Claudius.
>>224072798>Dune I Claudius Ok now I'm on board!
>>224064958OP, contrarians are the ones insisting Zendaya Dunc is the better.
>>224072873Theatrically villenöfs DUNC is better
>>224065022Owned in 1. Gj.
>>224065086The modern ones suck so bad I never even bothered to watch any. Just like Sloppassey, the clips alone that I saw were enough to make me go "nope, don't want"
>>224072896>The modern ones suck>I never even bothered to watch any
The only credit that can be given to dunc is that it made people get around to watching the Lynch film and the miniseries.
>>224067372This is what a LYNCHED man lools like.
>>224072896Very based stance. If the trailer is garbage, there is no point in going through a film and the film can be considered shit.
>>224065086I bet you enjoy the films of Christopher Nolan
I like twink dune
>>224064958the new ones are 5 hours of bland total fucking garbage, this one is 2 hours of kino
>>224072960Promotional material exists for that specific purpose. And it's particularly extensive in modern era.Whoever says "you have to watch the entire thing to have an opinion" just want you to pay the ticket or click the button
My first intro to dune was some rts game that added a 3rd house and I spent years thinking house ordos was real lmao
>>224064958Pugs.
>>224068120>Incendies is a tryhard Rube Goldberg story born from the dross of contemporary theatreThis is your brain on Armond White
>>224068452So basically you dislike 2049 because you didn't understand the original in the first place
It does a slightly better job at paying lip-service to the highly uncinematic parts of Dune. Villeneuve was able to invert that formula and make something ACTUALLY entertaining. I think some people are both A:) fanatically devoted to David Lynch as an auteur and B:) Book nerds who can't adjust their expectations for the sake of a blockbuster franchise
>>224064958Because it's patrician
Not even Lynch liked Lynch's Dune so yes if you argue it is superior you are being a contrarian. Preferring 1984 Chani because she's more physically attractive even though she's a one dimensional placeholder character is a catastrophically smoothbrained take. Stop trying to think with your dick. At least the new movies actually give the character some shit to do.
>>224073180also Zendaya fits the Fremen archetype way more... it makes sense Chani should be stringy like that instead of looking like a Christian missionary which was supposed to be Paul's job lol
>>224073194Yeah and I mean people who live in the desert tend to be darker skinned for very obvious reasons.
>>224073163This is the most random collection of movies I have ever seen
>>224073180Lynch didn't like the studio cut. The spicediver cut is arguably as close as one can get to what lynch was shooting for. It's dishonest that this thread is even weighing the studio cut against DUNC when the objectively superior spicediver cut is available for anyone to watch in 4k and the only singular downside is the sound weapons instead of space witch kung fu.
>>224064958OLD GOOD
I dont like either of them. I dont like sand. Am I doing it right?
>>224073346Ah yes, I'm sure that the movie that made me cringe at almost every moment would become supremely better because there's an alternate mix of it, so much so that it'd surpass a movie that actually knows how to inspire emotions instead of confusion
>>224064958Unsurpassable soundtrack, for one.First film approach to the most popular science-fiction book, for two.It is a good movie telling a captivating story.I am still waiting for the second season of Dune:Prophecies.By the way, I will forever proclaim I brought the conversation about this movie to /tv/ some ten years ago.
>>224073387you're right, you did, that person's name was also Anonymous. Small world.
>>224065277But have you played the Mega Drive/Genesis game? The template for Age of Empires.
>>224065287>interferenceI don't think that's a word
>>224073412>electronic infetterance :^)
>>224064958Because they're retardedMini Series > nu-Dune > Lynch's crap
>>224073398I'm posting it more for me, in a "posts that are true but nobody would believe you" way.I also got the 60mil in /pol/ with a little gif that said check your privilege
>>224073398actually his name was Abatap, the unsung hero
>>224071118>bro wtf is this>idk man just slap a triangle on it
>>224073430I get it. I've gotten some Iron Man numbers on Youtube I'm proud of.
>>224071707Decent points anon the father son thing especially is on point
>>224071707>Chani is extremely unlikable to anyone that doesn't live in a blue citycan you expand?
>>224071707>the new Dune movies are a bad kind of cool, because I don't like it>but the Lynch dune movie is a good kind of cool, because I like itbravo
I'M POINTING THE WAY!
>>224065086Nothing really surpasses the oddball choice of making Chani a white bitch with blue eyes. She looked like she was an Imperial plant. That took me way out.
>>224073665Is this Drum sand or something, or a crowd of people?
>>224073694it's Paul moving through a crowd, with the black in the middle being the space in front of and behind himit's a real nice shot
>>224073643Unironically got goosebumps.
>>224073734Do you think this was done practically or did they make a grid using the same figures over and over again? Because the extra work here would be INSANE
>>224073752
The line and delivery of "in your nightmares you give water to the dead and it brings joy to your heart" was sick
>>224069460make her eye candy, so the character has SOME use.
Javier Bardem was just excellent as depicting the transformation from wise and grounded mentor to complete fanatic
>>224069460Personally when I first read Dune I was picturing none other than Patrick Stewart and I hadn't a clue that was who was chosen to play the role. So I loved that.
and I just love Brolin's subtle movements in this scene. For half a second he squints when Paul is working his magic, wondering what his game is. But when Paul starts talking about being PAUL ATREIDES, DUKE OF ARRAKIS, you can see him overcome with emotion, brimming with pride in paul and a firm conviction in his cause
>>224067372the intro scene was one of the few things I really liked about the movie
>>224073873The strength of these few frames and the blinking stammering in between
>>224064958Just watched it for the first time>sets, outfits etc all meticulously crafted>cast chosen with love instead of nepo hires and agenda pushing>clearly setting up for an in-depth series, gets axed, then quickly wrapped up>there's 1 nigger in the movie and it's a bit part>+1 point for random pugIt's not perfect but the sheer amount of effort they put into making it real way outclasses the new green screen movie. They take a couple liberties with the plot, which almost always detracts. The 2nd half of the movie feels like whiplash because it spends the first hour building everything up in detail and then rushes to a conclusion. Chani casting wasn't great and that whole subplot was literally just a voice over, which was weird.I liked seeing the pug, the cat etc because to me it seems like people brought their pets on set and they just found a way to stick them in the movie for posterity, which is soulful.
The more I think about the modern Dune movies, the more I wonder why people like them at all.
>>2240699941. That's factually incorrect. She does have a personality, her personality is that she loves and is fiercely devoted to Paul. I don't care if you don't like it, that's a personality.2. Zendaya's Chani is an obnoxious, obstructive, director creation who is meant to be a stand-in for "modern sensibilities".
best versionhttps://www.myabandonware.com/game/dune-23h
>>224064958Because it literally is better. Its why Villememe chose to remake it instead of remaking the books.
Why didn't they have blue eyes in the modern movies?
>>224065254>its interesting and not as boringThis. Dunc Part one is nearly unwatchable after they escape to the desert.
>>224074185They do you IDIOT
>>224074186I totally get the hate for Part One, it was a slow-burn with exposition that made your mind meld with the desert landscapes and just fall asleep. But Part II delivers on all that groundwork with stupendous effect.
>>224069784I did not know this existed, and I will find it and watch it.
>Why do contrarians think this is better than the modern dune films?Because op stinks and adores feces in all of its forms. .
>>224074202Part 2 is vastly better than Part 1 but it still lacks the SOVL of Dune 84'. The problem with Dunc Pat 2 is that its simply too on the nose with its storytelling and leaves no room for interpretation. Like from a purely technical filmmaking standpoint it blows Part 1 out of the water. But the way every it was made and the way every performance plays out its like it was literally made for midwits to keep up. Dunc Part 2 literally a case of what you see is what you get and literally nothing more. Which is why nobody talks about it and it disappeared from the conversation as soon as its run ended.
>>224072876You never saw Lynchs Dune in a theatre.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1793623435584805.webm
>>224074260Idk man I dig the fact that it was such a visual powerhouse. A lot of times I feel like the strength of complexity of a story in a film isn't even as important as creating haunting imagery. It stuck with me big time because it's incredibly visceral and the comedy was also extremely on-point.
>>224074271I did. My entire Jr. High went to see Dune 84' at the local theater because that's what everybody did on Fraday's back then. The problem was that it was too deep for a bunch of middleschoolers and noobody got it. But as I got older and watched it multiple times it ended up in my all time top ten and I watch at least once about every other year.
>>224074281Bravo Lynch
>>224074287>isn't even as important as creating haunting imageryHaunting imagery is nothing without depth. The whole thing with minimalist imagery is that your mind wants to fill in the gaps. That is where the depth is and that is what makes it interesting. With Dunc Part 2 its all there spelled out for you even in the performances. There is nothing to ponder or think about. Its all just there on the screen. Which makes it boring long term and hurts conversation and rewatchability. For example the way Javier Bardem's Stilgar is such a caricature of a religious zealot. Its so two dimensional and over the top. It just takes away all depth to the character. Pretty much the whole movie is like that with its characters.
>>224074347maybe I'm blessed as a reader... I was enjoying the member berries it was giving me from reading the book, but without needing to be shifting in my seat wondering when something cool was going to happen which was most of Part 1Also I can accept riffing with the story. Halleck, Stilgar, Rabban, Rautha, all of them were funny in their own ways. Stilgar wasn't aware of the fact that to an audience that expects dignity and decorum among respected figures in fiction that he stood out as a rube of sorts... it's a dimension of the character that Herbert took in a more serious direction and while he was certainly a daunting character in the books he was never one I wanted to get particularly close to.
>>224074347What are some examples of the masterful, ambiguous, complex depth Lynch introduced in his adaptation that isn't present in Villeneuve's?
>>224074397>Define depthI don't answer woke questions.
>>224074397I'll play Devil's Advocate as the person he was responding to: Lynch is far more faithful to the source material. However, it was dweeby and if I wanted that exposition I'd turn to Herbert's stellar prose first and foremost. At least when I read the book I can render my own sense of awe at what I'm reading and give it proper imagery... while Lynch nailed several aspects in ways I actually found haunting (The Navigator, the first sandride--which does ride the coattails of the soundtrack quite hard, the preborn, the Emperor, mentats) it was a little too extremely of its era to have lasting impact on the way I pictured things to be. Villeneuve communicates that same sense of awe not through directly cribbed dialogue but through extremely powerful set pieces and action scenes... the way he depicts how 10,000 years in the future things seem archaic on the surface while actually being incredibly advanced is super compelling. His use of lighting is very close to how I actually picture the world of Dune. The TV series was also great at this, though at the whims of a noticeably lesser budget.
>>224074460>the way he depicts how 10,000 years in the future things seem archaic on the surface while actually being incredibly advancedWrong. Dunc's world is pure future minimalism. The way Dune 84' depicts retro aesthetics with future technology blows the Dunc movies out of the water. As far as the performances for Dund 2 being too on the nose and leaving no room for interpretation thus making it boring when it comes to thinking about it long term after the theater I will give you another example. The way Rebecca Ferguson plays Lady Jessica in Dunc Part 2 was one thousand percent on the nose bordering on a two dimensional characature. Like IRL people that are being manipulative don't make it that obvious but in Dunc part 2 it borders on mustache twirling it was so obvious and on the nose that she was being manipulative. Like it made you wonder how in the world the Fremen were buying it the way she was being was so over the top and cartoonish when it comes to being so obviously manipulative. The performance was so on the nose it leaves no room for introspection and interpretation. What you see is what you get. Which again makes it boring to think about long term because really there isn't much to think about. its all right there and obvious. Like Netflix repeating dialogue so the audience can keep up but in the form of a performance and personality. Just make it super obvious so people can keep up.
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>>224074675>borders on mustache twirling>over the top and cartoonishimagine being so dishonest that this is what you criticize DUNC for while defending Dune 84https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7DSvMKzMj4
>>224074801>"The water of my life for Paul" I only had to se the thumbnail to remember that. Didn't even have to play the vid because that line is etched into my memory forever. OTOH who knows what Oscar Isaac said I already forgot.
>>224073154>furiously typed the slop apologist.BR has no sequels>>224073158Counterpoint: I like the Lynch movie, I don't like the Villeneuve movie
>>224074801....also the point I was making wasn't about it being over the top. The point I was making about it being thought provoking or lack thereof. The performances in Dunc are over the top in a way that makes them not thought provoking at all. The over the top performances in Dune 84' are memorable to a point that people know and remember them to this day 40 years later.
>>224073180>Not even Lynch liked Lynch's Duneretarded parrot on loop>>224073194>o Zendaya fits the Fremen archetype way more.ahahahahahhaha nothat mutt and the chamelet rat shouldn't be in movies period
>>224073614>>the new Dune movies is awful, it has a bad director and and a worse cast>>but the Lynch dune movie is good, flaws and allfixed
>>224074981Exactly. Artists are often the worst judges of their own work. Its especially egregious in music. You listen to something that they claim is their best work and its kinda crap or borderline sucks. There is often little correlation to an artists best work and their favorite work.
>>224074724That factual meme really sends your ilk into rage kek
>>224075028True
>>224075053My own theory is that it comes from the artists experience making it and whether the experience was good or bad. Like how many times have you seen actors talk about how the production was an absolute joy to make and everyone got along. Then you see the movie and its absolute dogshit. Its not totally untrue to say that great art comes from suffering. Like G.L. almost died making Star Wars. Apocalypse now was an absolute disaster of a production. Dune 84' was a horrible experience for Lynch with is why he doesn't think fondly of it.
>>224075235>Like how many times have you seen actors talk about how the production was an absolute joy to make and everyone got along. While I was reading this Zack Snyder came to mind.>Then you see the movie and its absolute dogshit.Yeah, it's a Zack Snyder movie. I guess you made a really solid point.
>>224075269Zack Snyder constantly fought with the studio and got taken off of his own movie. You literally just proved my point dumbass. Gunnfags just don't get it.
Fury Road. Absolute disaster of a production. Goated movie.
>>224075311No retard. His "actors" always praised him and the pleasant environment. And his movis are unwatchable.He didn't fight shit, he just got what it deserved for making shit movies nobody wanted to see: a kick in the ass and no more career.>muh Gunn.>>224075332Boring lame shit
>>224075493The point was about overcoming friction during the production whether physical friction like a hurricane or a heart attack or whether or not people get along. Great art often comes from friction and overcoming struggle. Not merely toxic positivity where everybody maximizes for the smoothest production ever. Struggle like fighting with the studio, shooting on film rather than digital, or shooting on location rather than on set. There are tons of examples where the production and overall experience was bad for key players involved but the end result turned out great and timeless.
>>224067556>people who only ever go out at night fully covered are “dark” because….. THEY JUST ARE. THEYRE SANDNIGGERS OKAY?!?Normalfags are so damn racist
>>224075572I think you would find at least enough evidences of the opposite. Movies massacred by production hell.
>>224075634Production hell isn't production. Production hell means the production never started in the first place other than the planning phase.
>>224075677Isn't that production limbo?Either way you got the point
>>224074724If you can’t make a good hearted attempt to understand what is being said in the first panel, you literally are being obtuse for no reason. It’s presumably some kind of anti Indian and anti American sentiment of them ruining the internet for everyone else. A conversation needs both parties making good faith effort
>>224075735Not my point. Production hell is often a sign that the script is bad. Which is why it hasn't been greenlit into full production yet. An overly smooth production often means that a lot of compromises were made in order to keep the production smooth instead of maximizing for quality or creative vision. Another example of a tempestuous production creating timeless greatness was The Abyss. The actors described the production as miserable and hellish where they flat out wanted to quit at times. OTOH look at the frictionless Avaslop the same guy keeps pumping out with zero cultural impact.
>>224065022"People with darker skin make me feel small and insignificant."
>>224075831"People with darker skin make me reflexively disgusted and irritated, so I don't want to look at them."
>>224075831>furiously typed the uggo african mutt worshipper
>>224073801Why did they turn into fishmen anywayWhy did they turn into anything at all You'd think the people on tons of spice on Arrakis would be growing little fins and shit
>>224075831>you HAVE to look at DEI ugly miscast creature and pretend to have a good time, to signal your ideological purity
>>224072265Yes.I still claim TibSun is more Dune than Dune is.
It's funny how Lynch turned the Weirding Way from a martial art to yelling into a old gas lamp with a speaker stuck to it.
>>224071922>pretending
>>224073800This looks like shit. Way too clean and sterile.
>>224067522>>224069881need zendaya sex
>>224073346>spicediver cut is available for anyone to watch in 4kDO NOT watch the 4K. It is shitty AI upscale. Just stick to the 1080p version.
>>224075831That sounds like a serious problem, hope you get it fixed, senpai.
>>224070755>Neeee-GGERR!
>>224064958because it's full of soul. detail, incredible costumes, good actors instead of DEI mutants, the atreides house exudes class and breeding, the harkoken are repellent, the emperor majestic and arrogant.the film feels like another part of the universe, rather than just a stinking bland washed out music video filmed in a car park.when lynch said it was a 'failure' it was because of studio interference not allowing him to finish what he was crafting with love and vision, it doesn't retract from what is already there.
>>224075831I have dark skin, and I just don’t like ugly people in the movies I watch. Not only is she ugly, she looks like a cunt.
Lynchs Dune is about DuneVillenueves Dune is a spectacle to see on the big screenComparable to eating at a hole in the wall in Tuscany with decent / cheap ingredients made in a very comforting wayVs eating at a Michelin restaurant where everything is razzle dazzle but lacks any soul whatsoever
>>224077497>gun explodes in your hand
>>224077784>not “smoke detector chirp”You had one Job anon
>>224077635Also the most evil pair of underpants ever created. Behold their magnificence.
>>224071549>Those retards are still right here in this very thread!Ah yes, Dunc fans.
>>224073503>can you expand?Certainly. Can you supply the necessary chicken nuggets?
>>224077799How much cocaine do I need to do to achieve this physique?
Spicediver Cut is closest we're ever, or so far, gonna get to the Director's Cut of Lynch's Dune.>*While Lynch never specifically refers to the new cut in these early 80s interviews as a “director’s cut” — the term had not yet become formally associated with the post-theatrical video version preferred by the director over the theatrical release — I will be terming it as such from this point forward.>The earliest source I’ve found on this is a Variety article by Richard Gold. According to it, Lynch was somewhat disappointed with how Universal promoted Dune at the time it came out in theaters and was now crediting home video with improving the film’s reception. This, in addition to his feeling that the theatrical version simply wasn’t long enough, was a rationale behind his interest in releasing a longer cut.>“Lynch feels subsequent homevideo exposure for “ Dune “ has resulted in the film “getting a better reputation,” and he also believes the 140-minute running time was not sufficient to do justice to the story. He reveals serious plans are in the works to release a four-hour videocassette version of “ Dune,” which will present a radically different version of the film, he says.”https://fanfare.pub/david-lynch-4-hour-dune-1986-9306d41b7f1e
>>224064958It's not as good as part 1, but it's better than part 2.
>>224077952>"The rough cut of Dune without post-production effects ran over four hours long, but Lynch's intended cut of the film (as reflected in the seventh and final draft of the script) was almost three hours long. Universal and the film's financiers expected a standard, two-hour cut of the film. Dino De Laurentiis, his daughter Raffaella and Lynch excised numerous scenes, filmed new scenes that simplified or concentrated plot elements and added voice-over narrations, plus a new introduction by Virginia Madsen. Contrary to rumor, Lynch made no other version besides the theatrical cut. A television version was aired in 1988 in two parts totaling 186 minutes; it replaced Princess Irulan's opening monologue with a much longer description of the setting that used concept art stills. Lynch disavowed this version and had his name removed from the credits, Alan Smithee being credited instead. This version (without recap and second credit roll) has occasionally been released on DVD as Dune: Extended Edition. Several longer versions have been spliced together. Although Universal has approached Lynch for a possible director's cut, Lynch has declined every offer and prefers not to discuss Dune in interviews." It is such a shame the TV cut they made behind Lynch's back essentially killed his desire to make a real director's cut. Not until the final years of his life he was again showing interest in doing it, but I guess no one at Universal or de Laurentiis estate were interested in it.
>>224077968>AVC: Some notable filmmakers have returned to their works years later with re-edits, because just as a viewer’s relationship to a piece of art can change over time, so too can a creator’s. Was a new narrative cut something you ever considered with Inland Empire?>DL: No. But Dune—people have said, “Don’t you want to go back and fiddle with Dune?” And I was so depressed and sickened by it, you know? I want to say, I loved everybody that I worked with; they were so fantastic. I loved all the actors; I loved the crew; I loved working in Mexico; I loved everything except that I didn’t have final cut. And I even loved Dino [De Laurentiis], who wouldn’t give me what I wanted [laughs]. And Raffaella, the producer, who was his daughter—I loved her. But the thing was a horrible sadness and failure to me, and if I could go back in I’ve thought, well, maybe I would on that one go back in.>AVC: Really?>DL: Yeah, but I mean, nobody’s…it’s not going to happen.>AVC: Well that’s interesting, because in the past you were always much less open to it.>David Lynch: Yeah, I wanted to walk away. I always say, and it’s true, that with Dune, I sold out before I finished. It’s not like there’s a bunch of gold in the vaults waiting to be cut and put back together. It’s like, early on I knew what Dino wanted and what I could get away with and what I couldn’t. And so I started selling out, and it’s a sad, sad, pathetic, ridiculous story. But I would like to see what is there. I can’t remember, that’s the weird thing [laughs]. I can’t remember. And so it might be interesting—there could be something there. But I don’t think it’s a silk purse. I know it’s a sow’s ear.https://www.avclub.com/david-lynch-inland-empire-interview-dune-restoration-1848795394
>>224073647Shes the daughter of liet. Shes only half fremen.
>>224077984Scene from the workprint which is not present anywhere else, not even Spicediver. One wonder what other scenes the workprint has.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbaYiWE3Ttkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhWQY06zxeY
>>224071333>they are pretentious. this movie is shit and the new ones are infinitely betterYou don't know what words mean. The original film is not at all pretentious, it's not trying to be anything more than a movie. Same as the villetardo attempt, the problem with Dunc is that it's without style, substance, courage or taste and as of the third movie now without even legitimacy.
>>224077999Very good making of docu The Sleeper Must Awaken: Making Dune, which can be effectively viewed as a sequel to Jodorowsky's Dune documentary.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAo9ceCIwY
>>224078009Older Dune Impressions documentary where Raffaella de Laureentis lies about bunch of stuff, like there not being enough footage for a 4 hour cut.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSA79XHMBFo
>>224076016>Why did they turn into fishmen anywayConstant spice consumption, they live most of their lives inside of tanks in the zero gravity of a highliner.
>>224071770>The problem with Nune (new dune) and its core is that they’re clearly written for modern audiences with modern tastes and palettes while Lynches dune was made in the best decade of a sci-fi like Dune.>NUNE could have literally been any other space movie made in the last decade. It’s pure spectacle big screen slop. Every scene every plot point every character motivation is set to have either an immediate or soon approaching WOWSOCOOL payoff. >It’s the same shit that happened to game of thrones after season 3 or arguably as soon as season 2 where almost every scene was rewritten to be a quip battleGood post but we already call it Dunc.
>>224077941all of it
Alternate ending.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcAQJsFK4yM
>>224076519It works well enough to consolidate the idea of an atreides secret weapon without needing to explain the intricacies of their training and philosophy.
>>224064958On the basic level, it actually feels + works like 2 completely different houses hate each other's guts and have their own distinctive CULTURES + personalities (parade of freaks). It's a hodge podge of existing genres and archetypes, while DUNC tries to do something "nu for current times" that amounts no more than good VFX + press tours. The spaceship design in HOPE is light years more creative + detailed than DUNC. EMbarrassing!
>>224064958Because they watched it as children and liked it despite it being unanimously hated by fans of the book and normies, + the director, but nostalgia is a hell of a drug
>>224067372was the "oh yeh I forgot" thing Lynch's idea or a studio interference he was mad about?
>>224078192Yes.>Upon completion, the rough cut, without post-production effects, ran over four hours long. David Lynch's intended cut (as reflected in the seventh and final draft of the script) was almost three hours long. However, Universal Pictures and the movie's financiers expected a standard, two-hour cut. To reduce the run time, Dino De Laurentiis, Raffaella De Laurentiis, and Lynch had to excise numerous scenes, film new scenes that simplified or concentrated plot elements, add voice-over narrations, and film a new introduction by Virginia Madsen. Both Lynch and Dino De Laurentiis later admitted that the heavy editing was very detrimental to the finished film.
>>224064958you, are being contrarian, fuckhead
>>224067372never heard a bout ''i forgot to tell you".must be an american thing.
>>224072877He "owned" a bait OP.
>>224064958The aren't modern dune films, this is better than DUNC (except the original one with Al Pacino and Adam Sandler which is honestly sad)
>>224072547>make it all dark and grittyNuDoon was dark and gritty? Did we watch the same movie? I remember it being safe and unchallenging. Watched it with my boomer dad and there wasn't anything he would be uncomfortable seeing.
>>224073180>At least the new movies actually give the character some shit to doWhy does a woman who is barely a blip need something to do? Women should be seen and not heard. Every moment on the screen was an affront to my senses and the entire movie was brought down by her existance.
>>224073366Someone who has become the cringe cannot appreciate art in any form that is correct. There is no need to waste your time because you aren't even capable of recognizing high art.
>>224074123Same reason people like Iphones, it signals that are part of the in group and makes you feel safe. The quality of the product means nothing, it's all about networking.
>>224074675>minimalismI hate this shit so much it's unreal, I hate that every fucking fast food building is just a plain brown square. I hate when you go in someones home and it looks indistinguishable from a hospital lounge. I miss clutter, I miss wonder. There is no wonder in minimalism. Minimalism is where dreams go to die. Dunc is the anthesis of the human spirit.
>>224078987>it signals that are part of the in group and makes you feel safe. The quality of the product means nothing, it's all about networking.oh, the fucking irony of this, especially on this thread and just the whole board in general when it comes to this movie and the new ones
>>224075601Their whole lives they have been taught to ignore the scientific method and work backwards from a premise. They want brown people to be awesome and just as good as everyone else so they start with that as their conclusion and work back to make the world fit their ideal.
>>224064958Lynch Paul is better character. But Dunc 2 is better movie
>>224064958Worms, drugs and thug white people with red hair.
>>224078009Guess we've got an industry plant lurking. Probably the fag who is hard shilling for Dunc.
>>224064958Lynch's Dune is very, very flawed, but it had flair and soul. Villeneuve's is technically impressive, but ultimately bland and soulless. Neither one, taken as a whole, is a good adaptation, but Lynch's at least has its moments of brilliance.
>>224069063was going to say the exact same thing.
>>224067972well said.
>>224079189Lynch Paul is a non-character in the theatrical cut
>>224068224it's always the mindless plebbitors coming out with utter canned dogshit like this.
>>224064958The actors look more dignified and carry themselves better in the Lynch version. It feels like Whites in a dusty, oily Space Arabia. But the new versions, even though I like them, do not have that feeling. The Lynch one is more disgusting.
>>224069784>>224074231it's not worth it. shitty chopped up fan edit with deleted scenes of vastly differing quality jammed in abruptly.the only thing worse than it, far worse, is the fan edit of nightbreed where they inserted still fucking images with the same 10 second loop of the shitty soundtrack over and over for four fucking hours.
>>224071707All accurate points.
>>224074281the clip is already better than anything made in the last 20 years put together.
>>224076016it says in the first 30 seconds of the film, and in the book. four thousand years of mutation from a substance so powerful it can fold space.derp
>>224077799>I WILL KILL HIM!
>>224078009never known why so many cunts on the internet repeatedly obsess over joxozjxoajxsky's non existent dune that consists of a few incredibly ugly pencil drawings and that's about it.it would have been horrendous 60s style rubbish, gaudy and highly effeminate like watching a stinking 60s fashion show by a guy that smokes with a 1920s woman's cigarette holder.you constantly go on about it, decade after decade, memorising the spelling of his filthy polak name.fucking stop
>>224079899It's just like when you go to watch a movie with high expectations. For example, every now and then a lost Dr. Who episode is found and is shit.
>>224078192>oh yes, I almost forgot, we removed her clitoris so she can't get pregnant>now let's see what kind of man you really areit was referencing that incredibly famous /tv/ film, decades before it was made
>>224078499I can't tell what that is, but I want one
>>224064958The Lynch movie had soul and was entertaining. Dunc is just ugly brown boring soulless slop with terrible actors
>>224079066I don't like artificial minimalism, but I also don't like the horrendous clutter of the 60s where every surface had a different foul pattern on it and everything went dirty in a matter of months.there's a difference between sterility and natural restful plainness
>>224079539oh look, a leftist liar.he is clearly established within about 2 minutes of the film starting.
>>224079762Holtzman drives are what actually fold space, the Navigators use their expanded mental capabilities and precognition to predict and calculate the route they need to take in 4D folded space to get from point A to point B without ending up in the core of a star or smashing into an asteroid.
>>224073428this is correct>>224065066this is also correct
>>224079940but those dr who episodes existed.saying what if about some pile of andy warhol feeble faggotry 60 years on, based on a collection of half arsed fashion doodles is just mind-numbing.dr who was always shit though, it was famous in fact for being ridiculous, cheap and comical. when it was remade in the 2000s as a high budget slick thing it was pretty weird, considering the wobbly sets and endless jokes of daleks on stairs firing their invisible spark guns at walls.a ton of stuff was just thrown into furnaces back then since they knew it wasn't worth anything.
>>224080104everyone is tired of thoroughly demoralization, but hope springs infernal
>>224080062thanks for correcting me grok. I haven't read the book in 30 years or thereabouts.it makes sense that they become wormy mutantsgiven what the spice is derived from.
>>224080130my hope is that all copies of dr who are destroyed along with all traces physical or otherwise of the polak warhol fashion show sketches.
>>224080136I also think Lynch's design/conception for the Guild Navigators is better. Even though it's "evolution" they're regressing physically into a more embryonic form (that is also more like the sand worms, yes), plus they actually have a big ol noggin that suggests expanded brain volume and therefore capacity. Much better than randomly turning into a fish person with jowls
>>224079258works fine on my phone
>>224080548I like the lynch guild members too.and the weirding modules, and more or less the entire film, it's stuck with me and like another anon said it's in my top ten if not top five or six.
>>224067522has she shown bare nip even once? asking for a friend
it literally is, it's also better than the books
>>224064958It has vibrant visuals instead of grey brutalist Villanueveshit
>>224082170has colors =/= good
>>224078000>Same as the villetardo attempt, the problem with Dunc is that it's without style, substance, courage>CourageThis. He was too afraid to even show the Guild Navigators.
>>224082432False
>>224064958At this point it should be considered that maybe people who, at the very least, can't appreciate Lynch's Dune, might be the contrarians here. Reflexively disliking something just because it's different is peak contrarianism.
