>>224081226
>fires pistol round into barrel
pssh... nothing personnel kid

How can a tank be obsolete?

>>224081387
How can a battleship be obsolete?

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>>224081387
by not being able to fulfill the purpose it was designed for
this lil nigga hard counters the whole tank tech line and there's nothing you can do about it

>>224081387
>How can a tank be obsolete?


There are countless videos online of a $500 drone taking out $20 million tanks

>>224081420
They aren't

Fury is try-hard garbage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVpX8B2ESW4

>>224081453
did the tank become obsolete in the 60's when a 2000 dollar single use bazooka could beat it?
did the infantryman become obsolete when a 0,99 dollar bullet could kill one?

>>224081455
The last battleship in active U.S. service was decommissioned in 1992.

>>224081427
>war is now glorified RC car competitions
I think I now understand Tolkien and his hatred for modern tech, specially in war.

I wonder if we can just launch a couple nukes into the atmosphere to create a big enough EMP effect to try all eletronics worldwide.

>>224081542
>>224081553
>>224081564
>>224081582
Never watched it. Is the "moral" that you don't show mercy to surrendering [foreign language] troops?

>>224081541
>did the infantryman become obsolete when a 0,99 dollar bullet could kill one?
a. fucking good morning, saar!
b. 5.56 is like $0.33/rd

>>224081387
Tanks haven't really been important for winning land battles since WW2. Sure they could still be used to crush internal uprisings like at Tiananmen square. In Ukraine the shortest straw gets to go in the tank.

>>224081660
556 is a womans caliber.

>>224081226
>obsolete
its not

>>224081693
you are indian
>>224081675
literally desert storm and the gwot

>>224081387
It isn't, it's just that people are focused on the Ukraine War where neither side has tanks that have counter-drone tech so they get blasted. The future of tanks is as anti-drone mobile platforms, but most people aren't having that conversation yet.

>>224081594
>I wonder if we can just launch a couple nukes into the atmosphere to create a big enough EMP effect to try all electronics worldwide.
Why? Make war as gay as possible and nobody will want to participate. I can't imagine being a recruiter now trying to explain to Joe Gomez that they shouldn't care if there's a non-zero chance their last moments are immortalized online in 4k. Imagine telling some high school kid that war is "cool" when that same kid watched a Liveleak video of some Russian blowing his brains out because he would rather die quick than have a they/them drone operator get their axe wound quivering with glee because they dropped a bomb on them.

There's absolutely no romance to war anymore and that's good. It's the best thing to happen in warfare. Trump tried to excite the public into a land war with Iran and it was so universally reviled that he went against the wishes of his zionist masters to invade. Imagine how sour the American public must be on war for that to happen.

>>224081541
>did the tank become obsolete in the 60's when a 2000 dollar single use bazooka could beat it?

with a bazooka you still need a line of sight, a drone can spot and attack a tank from anywhere, they're also way more effective.

also look at the current state of the Ukrainian war, no one even uses tanks anymore, they're death traps

>>224081777
>where neither side has tanks that have counter-drone tech
Wrong. And no one has counter-drone tech for a tank that can stop a drone swarm.

>>224081711
Desert Storm was regarded as a "perfect" military operation and a third of the MBTs still broke down on the road to Baghdad. An M1 Abrams can't fight World War 3 and it most certainly can't fight in a world of drones.

>>224081875
Tanks don't exist to do tank battles, they exist to protect soldiers and provide huge firepower while those soldiers get to where they need to go. If your tanks are fighting other tanks then you're doing something wrong.

>>224081875
there were tons of tank fights during the gulf war and the opening invasion of iraq had tank fights. the gulf war was famous for the left hook shit where the US used GPS to drive tanks through the desert to flank the muslim tanks
>>224081903
they were still used and important

>>224081875
This is correct, and for the dummies that still don't get it: Drones now give every country the same aerial dominance over tanks that the US had.

>>224081944
the US literally did tank fights during the gulf war

White Tiger
Russian war movie about tanks in WW2
On Youtube

>>224081970
And if they had current year drone technology they wouldn't have.

>>224081970
Against a much inferior enemy.

>>224082001
fatso said they haven't been relevant since WWII, fatso
>>224082003
literally every country is inferior to the US

>>224081541
You kill the man, the bazooka is no longer a threat. You destroy the drone another comes. Even if you see or hear it before it attacks.

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>>224081226
Only one correct answer

We have satellite strikes?

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À la guerre comme à la guerre. One of the best war movies ever, technically it’s about a tank destroyer crew.

>>224081387
It won't. There will be counter-measures to protect against drones in the future; war tends to increase innovation at a rapid speed.

>>224081455
They have been for nearly a century

>>224082856
Are these counter-measures in the room with us right now?

>>224081926
You're assuming American air superiority doctrine, this isn't global doctrine

>>224081427
They tried that Afghanistan. A couple of the tanks got disabled but to quote the marines "we slaughtered them all"
Used properly they are going 50 mph at you firing full speed while running things like trophy and other toys frying anything electronic in the air. You can't get a drone within 100 meters of an American m1a when it's active. They are either in the back or on the attack. They aren't built to sit still in pits. They are meant to attack, get fucked up and repaired easily and fast, then attack more. The gun is barely used it's all the electronic shit and the turbine is made to produce an insane amount of electricity to fry things. It's how we dealt with ieds. Just melting cell phones and drones. It's more like an aircraft carrier mixed with a battle ship. The thing is designed to take damage and be repaired. Europeans over design, Russians... Basically have death boxes and the Chinese are worst than Russians because the autoloader and wanting to launch missiles out of a barrell. Which is insanely. These things constantly are being blown up taking rpgs and shit. They need to be repaired constantly hence 4 people.
I mean fuck they launch drones from them all the time lol do people not realize this shit. It's a death machine that protects the soldiers. There is nothing a soldier or truck can carry it doesn't and it's faster and covered in armor with a fucking giant electric generator. How the fuck do you think drones go out anyway. This fucker will find you with satellite then launch a fucking long range missile at your drone launch ass then fzrap your shit drone for 25 cents then keep driving through your house and walls and streets until you are all dead. Welcome to Iraq 2 after the gloves came off and aghanistan We didnt even have people in the alot and operated them like drones for years. t's basically a fucking drone unless we want the cannon to go boom or we expect a fight which we dont.

>>224081387
Too slow. Too droney

>>224083469
All our bases in the middle east should have had standard tank tech because they got droned to shit

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A big gun that's protected with armor will always be useful. The biggest mistake retards make in these kind of topics is they think of war as individual units fighting in a vacuum. Depending on the environment tanks can "easily" be countered by infantry, which is why you support your own tanks with your own infantry and try to avoid urban combat. Just because something has a weakness doesn't make it obsolete

Also my favorite tank kino is that scene in the 2004 Hulk where he beats the shit out of the tank with the other tank

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>>224083469
>incoherent zogbot chest beating

>>224081609
No, Denzel Washington's character fucked up and ended up killing an allied tank crew. The movie is about him dealing with PTSD by investigating if a female soldier that died saving her squadron can receive the medal of honor.

>>224081554
>>224081455
>>224081420
We use Aircraft Carriers, Destroyers, and Cruisers instead because there's no point in those huge ass cannons on battleships anymore because guided missiles and aircraft are better.

>>224083469
have you by chance heard of the ukraine war?

>>224083469
I guess nobody told the Ukrainians this?

>>224081453
How many videos are there of a drone taking out an abrams?

>>224081787
Naw war is basically becoming a video game. More and more is being done behind a computer screen and with less risk as drones expand

>>224085346
A lot more than videos of drones taking out Russian T-90 tanks. loser

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>>224081387
>be me
>be a kid
>make drawings of future wars
>its all about giant robots and shits fighting each other
>now
>modern war
>its drone spamming

Wtf happened?

>>224083469
based autistic m1a1 enjoyer

>>224086135
You were too young to understand the square cube law. Small robots i.e. drones are easier to make

>>224081564
lol @ denzel on a MG

>>224086110
May we see them?

>>224086197
>May we see them?

>>>/uhg/

>>224081787
>Make war as gay as possible and nobody will want to participate.
it's technology that leads to a depersonalization of war, when you don't have to be up close and personal like in ww1 or in some theaters of ww2 the barrier to stomach war gets much thinner

>>224081387
gets too easily btfo by other tanks
but remember this: having a shitty tank is always better than having no tank at all
dronefags will cope, but the tank is eternal on the right battlefields

>>224086445
we need to make war great again. bring back sacking cities and raping the women

>>224081806
that's because mbt's are meme machines that have only ever been used on goat farmers or barely armed civilians

>>224086445
>it's technology that leads to a depersonalization of war, when you don't have to be up close and personal like in ww1
funny because ww1 officers thought that ww1 was mechanized faggot shit compared to the wars of old where men met on the fields and duked it out right then and there

>>224083027
Is there anything women won't appropriate?

>>224086876
The WNBA

>>224082856
>There will be counter-measures to protect against drones in the future
There already are. And then people developed countermeasure countermeasures.

>>224086876
Decency. Oh wait

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>>224086135
you're right. we should be having sick ass battlemech battles and shit now in 2026.
We have been denied everything cool we were promised, anon.

that german movie where the tigger tonk uses snorkel to cross river
that was cool
fuck if i remember the title, was something like The Tiger or smth

>>224081420
There are more effective blue water weapons. There is no replacement for armored position holders and capture.

>>224087786
yeah it's really fucking crazy how dismissive people are of seeing tanks getting destroyed in wars. like wow no shit? there is plenty of footage of tanks getting hit and knocked out because it's always a big fucking deal.

it's like there is a fucking reason why so much research and technology that has gone into JUST killing tanks over the past 100 years.

because when you can't, you are in the deepest shit.

>>224087931
>when you can't, you are in the deepest shit.
no you're not. you just shoot HEAT rounds at it from a drone

>>224081387
On top of the drones even man portable weapons are stronger than they were when tanks were truly relevant. If one dude can blow your tank up why have a tank.

>>224084448
I think there's still some value in a big ass cannon for heavy combardment of coasts but is it worth keeping a shop around for decades on the off chance you might need that.

>>224081787
You must fantasize a lot about your poor Russian friends committing suicide because someone flying a drone might be one of the alphabet demons terrorizing your mind.

I love listening to these armchair wannabe war historians who know jack and shit about anything and whose entire diatribe is "I think thing is worthless because my feelings, I literally know nothing about what I'm shitting on".

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>>224087931
God you guys are such tools. Ukraine has proven tanks opsulte, you can drone swarm a tank with wired drones (pic is the wires from all the drone attacks) which makes jamming impossible, and they all become as fast as missiles 300 feet out., even an a.i. powered auto turret is going to have trouble with more than a few.

>somehow the thing that finally counters drones is going to be mech walkers
I don't care how it works. We're almost there.

>>224088974
So you think Putler is still manufacturing tanks for fun?

>>224089032
You so mad

>>224081226
Fortified trucks ramming into buildings is nice.

>>224081594
>waaahh i hate modern tech, why can't people just use an immortal ghost army waaaah

>>224088988
Big ol fly swat and a gigantic aerosol can of drone-begone. I expect my patent to be approved very soon.

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My fav tank is definetly the Panzer IV Ausf. H

>>224081787
True, drone videos of Russians dying from having their asses blown off is the best thing that happened to pacifism. Now everybody understands that modern warfare is just "crawl in dirt and wait for your ass to explode then cry and die and be eaten rear end-first by maggots and dogs", there's no way to romanticise that.

>>224083469
>muh Afghanistan
open your fucking eyes, we're in the 2020s now, things have changed

>>224086135
>deploy expensive battlemechotron 3000
>worthless flying mechamosquito delivers an RPG to its mechaknee
It's that simple, the rule of cool doesn't hold up when the counter is that easy and effective.

>>224081564
>>224081582
god this looks fuckin awful

>>224084448
T. Russian

A battleship can still annihilate an entire convoy in minutes while a missile cruise is still reloading it's tubes. It also doesn't cost 200 million to fire a salvo and can support landing troops for miles behind the beach with artillery fire.

>>224081226
"Tigers in the Mud" is a fantastic read.
The tank scene in Stalingrad is kino
>>224082689
Also this.

>>224081387
The mighty temu drone with a duct taped granade has made half the military obsolete
It's like the end of the samurai all over again or something

>>224090967
>can support landing troops for miles behind the beach with artillery fire
That means nothing in this age. We hardly do beach landings and when they happen, aircraft and missiles will supply the cover. It will not only cost a ton to support a useless battleship for years waiting on a rare beach landing, but cost a lot to transport it over to the conflict area and take ages for it to do so. It already takes weeks for a carrier group to get into place and they're the fastest naval assets available. Slowly sailing a battleship towards the enemy shore just gives them a long time to prepare. And for what? Less than twenty miles of innacurate artillery from a slow, expensive and easily hit target? Wowie, so impressive. That ship couldn't hit 99.9% of Iran while missiles can strike Tehran with pinpoint accuracy.

>>224091046
Not really though, it certainly started an arms-race in a new category of weapons but temu-drones will eventually become easy to counter.

This is no anti drone tech or jamming for fibre optic drones. Sorry bro, your cool big armour big gun steel beast is a 14 million dollar coffin.

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>>224081485
>>224088971
>what are some of your favorite tank kino?
This.

The battleship was obsolete by the end of ww2, retired by the aircraft carrier. Do any of you ever crack a history book at all?

>>224090967
Why do you suppose it is that no one uses them anymore then?

>>224091649
Nonsense bro. They just needed exactly the right conditions at exactly the right time in bad weather and with the enemy radar malfunctioning - then we could've had Iowa vs. Yamato kino. We were robbed.

>>224091544
Artillery ammunition isn't just frag grenades anymore. Just because it isn't done anymore doesn't mean it never will.

>>224088974
Someday, someone's going to figure out how to batwing these motherfuckers and then it's going to be a whole different ballgame.

>>224081387
They haven't fitted them with anti-drone weapons yet.

>>224083469
This guy definitely hasn't watched any live combat footage since AT LEAST Syria but probably since the GWOT

>>224091688
Kek, no, it will never happen again. Only a retard like trump, who is clueless about everything, would think to waste billions making another useless battleship.

>>224088988
A mech walker with an autogun and some AI guided aim assist might actually do the trick against most drones

Would still be a VERY harrowing experience to try to deal with them

Cant believe how many low t fags itt are so gleeful that war is becoming so gay and lame.

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>>224092596
war has been gay and lame ever since we moved past pic related.

soientists made phalanx combat obsolete.
no more skill, effort and coordination with your homies involved. no more drip, no more battlefield morale, no more eternal glory by becoming an invincible wall of shield and spear that can kill hundreds.
guns are cringe, even a woman can pull a trigger.

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>>224082689
Came here to post this. Mika best girl but if you say Darjeeling I have no quarrel with you.

War has always been around killing the enemy in the safest most bitchmade way possible. Leonidas and his crew were spammed with arrows to death. British empire used miniguns on spear chuckers. WW1 had machineguns mowing down retards walking like Barry Lyndon extras. I don't understand the kvetching about drones, war had nothing to do with honnor.

Cannae is the most famous stratagem in history because it's total slaughter of helpless people. Germans made huge gains in Soviet Union until Soviets got an airforce too. Germans annihilated Varus by refusing to form up against Roman squares because they weren't retards. You don't fight fair in war. There is no fair in war. It's mass carnage for retards.

>>224086684
>dronefags will cope, but the tank is eternal on the right battlefields
Cavalryfags said the exact same thing

>>224082689
>>224092761
Does anyone have the greentext of an anon trying to connect with his ww2 veteran grandfather by watching girls and panzer and it predictably fid not go well?

You'd have to be a drooling moron to fight in a modern war. Not just because of how they are fought and for who but the fact that they dont even have the goddman common courtesy to let you pillage and rape in return for fighting for their faggy elite power plays.

>>224091621
>>224088971
loved that movie!

>>224089529
True... people go insane over Tiger, Panther etc. but never consider that the biggest power imbalance was when the Panzer IV was introduced: could penetrate anything, could be penetrated by nothing. Also it was tiny, fast, and easy to maintain. Love that lil guy!

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>>224082689
>Tanks become obsolete
>People start using them for recreation instead
Is it happening?

>>224093332
wake me up when they start using them for reproduction :3

>>224092795
>Germans annihilated Varus by refusing to form up against Roman squares because they weren't retards
Jesus, man. Do you know anything about history other than the cliffnotes? That "battle" was not lost due to tactical error. It was an ambush and it was due to Varus' making a diplomatic error in trusting the Germans to the extent that he did.

>>224088971
>>224091621
yea that was alright
>>224082799
this looks interesting, thanks

>>224086727
the russians still do that tbf. The early days of the war they looted the fuck out of every house they could and mailed all the shit back home lol.

also tank movies to be on topic
The Beast with George Dzundza and Jason Patric is kinda fun, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan

>>224092596
How many wars have you been in?

>>224081387
>fly drone to tank
>drop thermite grenade
>tank is fucked
gg

>>224093740
u r committing the same mistake as american in afghanistan, just on another level

if u want to take over a country and "modify" it, you need occupation troops... nobody in his/her right mind from america would go to live in afghanistan for the rest of his/her life and commit his/her children to living there

same with tanks: if you want to take over a city or a region, you can drone them 24/7... unless you move into there you won't conquer it... and the safest way to move into there is in a tank

yes, in the age of drones and smart missiles it's more or less suicidal, yet there is no better solution
that's life

>>224093878
>the safest way into there is a tank
not if there are drones with thermite charges quietly buzzing around.

>>224094825
you have problems reading?

>>224094900
No. You have trouble mapping. The point is you can't move tanks into a region that is being defended by drones, which currently have no effective countermeasures.

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>>224081387
Why waste millions of dollars on something that has trouble in urban environments, needs infantry support and is slower than a drone that has a RPG warhead that can do just as good of a job? The entire march of the history of warfare is to make war gayer and lamer. In the Crimean War and the American Civil War the brave charges and line warfare was ruined by more advanced rifling. A Russian/Ukrainian man getting turned to paint in 2026 by a unseen drone will have a lot in common with a Entente/Central Powers soldier 110 years earlier getting killed by artillery fire from far beyond his eyes can see. In fact that's how most soldiers in most large scale wars died in the 20th century: Artillery fire and air strikes. Artillery's scythe still reaps many a young man in Ukraine.

Tanks/Helicopters/what have you have been debated on being obsolete for decades. This bit is from a book I found at a thrift store that was written in 1990, before Desert Storm. The tank may still have a place on the battlefield but it's importance has diminished and only in certain situations

>>224093520
>thanks
*tanks

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>>224094956
*only useful in certain situations.

>looks at countries around the word
>so many of them still use, make, and update tanks and other ground-based artillery machines on the regular, including upgrades to deal with drones

Yeah, you all are a bunch of larpers bullshitting about nonsense.

>>224094921
you have problems reading?

>>224092659
gay retards like (you) where also calling archery cringe and unfair since the dawn of time

>>224092659
>i'm not gay you're gay /cries
kys

>>224095136
they are all wrong I'm right

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ALWAYS WITH THE NEGATIVE WAVES MORIARTY

Can't wait for the Girls and Panzer sequel where they all get drone striked in the first episode and the rest of the series is just a series of funerals.

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>>224085346
theres a bunch, but this goes for every tank

>>224095136
countries are always preparing for the last war.

same shit happened in WW2 with battleships, where aircraft carriers were laughed at and considered minor assets.

then the italian fleet was attacked in harbor by 21 british torpedo bombers. the british lost 2 aircraft, while 3 italian battleships were completely wrecked.

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Do APCs count? Pic related is about a bunch of WW3 survivors traveling through a post-apocalyptic desert in two high-tech APCs while fighting off mutant cockroaches, giant scorpions and wasteland scoundrels. It's a fun movie, if a bit dated.

>>224092659
>no more skill, effort and coordination
Nigga the phalanx was defeated by superior Roman effort and coordination

Tanks will probably never be completely obsolete because having an armoured box that is resistant to bullets and shrapnel that can blast shit with a big gun is still useful.


Retards constantly bring up Ukraine but even there tanks still see constant use and are an important assault element because drones aren't the end all be all and still have their drawbacks

>>224096630
It's completely useless now. That's what you fags don't seem to grasp. It's nothing but an expensive liability now.

>>224096661
I mean both Ukraine and Russia still use them constantly and they are the only ones actually fighting a war so I'm gonna trust them over a random mongoloid on 4chin

>>224096661
see >>224093878 retard

>>224096630
armored troop carriers are also good but if they already have tracks (wheels can be shot out even by a pea-shooter lol) they might as well mount a turret on it... which is the same logic behind the Abrams and the jewish tank (both of which have a back door and can carry 6 soldiers or 2 stretchers and 2 medics or smth)

>>224096724
>they might as well mount a turret on it... which is the same logic behind the Abrams and the jewish tank

I don't really get what you mean. A tank is constructed with a specific purpose in mind and muddling the design only makes it shittier at doing what it's meant to do(maneuver and blast shit with it's big gun).

The Merkava "troop compartment" is a meme that came about as a quirk of its design and it never get used as an actual IFV.

>>224095886
TPBP

>>224096808
>muddling the design only makes it shittier at doing what it's meant to do(maneuver and blast shit with it's big gun).
indeed that's the logic behind the modern european (leopard/leopard2) and russian tanks... big gun on "well u better move anon because reasons" chassis
but if you already have superiority in a region, a meme-merkava or an abrams has practical use beyond demolishing buildings

Aren't there like, anti drone things now?

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>>224096861
>that's the logic behind the modern european (leopard/leopard2) and russian tanks...
That's been the logic in tank design since at least the 40s dude

>but if you already have superiority in a region, a meme-merkava or an abrams has practical use beyond demolishing buildings
Again I don't understand what you mean.
The Abrams(aside from some Soviet designs) is probably the supreme example of what a tank should be, it's not some "meme" design like the Russian terminator.

The Merkava(the first model at least) was made with maximum crew survivability in mind, hence the front mounted engine. It's tailored to threats that the Israelis experienced fighting against Arabs in the Golan heights.
If you want a real meme overspecialised tank take a look at the Swedish Strv 203

>>224097021
>That's been the logic in tank design since at least the 40s dude
>posts tank destroyer
lol

>Again I don't understand what you mean.
that's something we all agree on

>>224096494
They basically directly stole the design for the APCs from this for SMT: Strange Journey, which is probably why it's the best SMT game.

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Are we ready to admit these expensive pieces of shit are next on the obsolete list too?

>>224097001
Sort of, not really.

>>224097040
>tank destroyer

Pic is the Strv 103 which is classified as a tank.
Tank destroyers were meant to be used differently and the concept was outdated by the end of ww2 anyway.

>>224097021
I do not understand the point anon. The other anon said that those armies (USA and Israel) are no longer using tanks for offensive operations... they have airplanes and helicopters for that... but for troop transport where a light armored transport would not be sufficient. That seems to be in concordance with the points you are making, yet you disagree. I am confused.

>>224097094
>Pic is the Strv 103 which is classified as a tank.
classify muh dick
that nigga is a tank destroyer all day long, wouldnt survive 30 seconds if a tank popped up 30 degrees away from its gun

>>224097060
If you can think of a better way of getting people from place A to place B other than flying them there then I'd like to hear it.

>>224097060
>edgy flying tank post
>didn't even post the russian Hind that was literally designed as a flying tank, while the apache could be shot side-to-side by a 9mm
u failed the shitpost course anon, sorry

>>224081387
They use a satellite to drop my dick from the stratosphere and the resulting impact results if the fuckening of everyone in a 6 million person radius including your mother.

>>224097097
>those armies (USA and Israel) are no longer using tanks for offensive operations...
I disagree with him on this point specifically, and I'm not sure where he got the idea that the US or Israel don't use tanks in their doctrine.


The Merkava is seeing heavy use in Gaza and Lebanon with impressive results.


>hat... but for troop transport where a light armored transport would not be sufficient.
This is wrong too. You don't use tanks to "transport" troops because that's the job for IFVs/APCs, both of which are used by the US and Israel.
Planes and helicopters can only do so much. You need boots on the ground and you need tanks to support them as well

>>224097188
NOT THE 6 MILLION UWU

>>224097197
>The Merkava is seeing heavy use in Gaza and Lebanon with impressive results.
Yet that is in line with what that anon is saying (obvious superiority).

>>224097116
>that nigga is a tank destroyer
It's an extremely specialized tank design made to fight in conditions that the Swedes were preparing for during the cold war.

>if a tank popped up 30 degrees away from its gun
Funnily enough it actually beat contemporary tank designs in accuracy and shooting speed.

>>224097197
>This is wrong too. You don't use tanks to "transport" troops because that's the job for
anon we are beyond the age of grunt jerking off in the rooms of some lolis while going to kill some random dude that may or may not be the enemy
boots on the ground don't move and in any case don't need IFV/APCs

i won't even shit away time educating you, but since we are on /tv/ go watch Black Hawk Down

>>224097123
Teleportation

>>224097257

I don't understand what you're trying to tell me, are you having a stroke or something?
Modern armies still use IFVs and APCs because that's the best way of getting troops from A to B without getting blasted to hamburger by artillery or bullets.

Just look at Ukraine.

>>224097231
>It's an extremely specialized tank design made to fight in conditions that the Swedes were preparing for during the cold war.
... so a tank destroyer
>Funnily enough it actually beat contemporary tank designs in accuracy and shooting speed.
a successful tank destroyer? but to be fair their fault is not being able to stay in one place with engine running (without even considering the risk of heat signature getting droned or rocketed), while a tank needs a lot less power to move the turret while it fires up the engine
>muh accumulators
sorry they already spent the tank (destroyer) accumulator money on feminism and importing muslims

>>224097123
>>224097145
You don't get it. MANPADS plus same drone that obsoletes your tank obsoletes the helicopter gunship. They're deathtraps now. They're used less than tanks in the Ukraine war.

>>224097209
You might be saying wow 6 million is a lot of people, where are the fuckened bodies to which I have a one word answer for you. Go fuck yourself

>>224097145
>Hind
Now here is a good example of what happens when you muddle a design too much.
The hind was designed to be able to both act like an assault helicopter and carry troops.
The problem is that it can't actually carry that many troops so the compartment just takes up space and weight that could be filled with more armour/fuel/ammo or whatever

>>224097313
You are right, that's why rockets are the current "go-to" weapon and helicopters are a "90s thing unc"... but can't get enough MANPADS everywhere, they are either shit (unguided) or expensive as fugg.
>>224097290
I think you two are saying the same thing but one of you is a retard.

>>224097290
No, a Armored truck with an anti drone cage on it is better because it's faster and cheaper and has the same survivability plus better visibility.

>>224097312
>... so a tank destroyer
No. It's doctrinally a tank and meant to be used as such. TDs have their uses and not every casemate design is a tank destroyer.


>but to be fair their fault is not being able to stay in one place with engine running (without even considering the risk of heat signature getting droned or rocketed)
That didn't really matter because this thing was designed before the proliferation of thermals on vehicles. It was designed to plink at hordes of soviet vehicles from a defilade and then fuck off quickly.

>>224081427
>by not being able to fulfill the purpose it was designed for
>this lil nigga hard counters the whole tank tech line and there's nothing you can do about it

Not really. People said the same thing about Bazookas and hand held anti-tank missiles.

At the end of the day, you still need tanks and armored vehicles to patrol, hold down key areas, and for attacking.

Drones are only good for harassment and sniping from the shadows. Drones can't hold a position. And other countries are speeding up development of anti-drone technology. Like wireless jammers, lasers, etc.

lot of amerilard cope itt now that they have been exposed as even more pathetic than the russians

>>224097319
>Go fuck yourself
i'll go fuck myself knowing that red cross records are an evidence for more jews in Europe after WW2 than before lol

can't find the sesame street meme where the cute girl says the maths to elmo tho, sorry

>>224097377
>it's faster and cheaper and has the same survivability plus better visibility.
Not really? If you mean MRAPs and stuff then I see your point but the Ukrainians fucking love their donated APCs and IFVs precisely because they are survivable and can carry heavier firepower than a nigger rigged truck

>>224084448
>We use Aircraft Carriers, Destroyers, and Cruisers instead because there's no point in those huge ass cannons on battleships anymore because guided missiles and aircraft are better.

We only did that to save money in the 1990s when the cold war ended and the US wanted to shrink its military budget to save money. The Navy decided to retire battleships and put all the new weapons on destroyers and frigates.

And now the US Navy has admitted that was a mistake and wants the Battleship back because they realized a bigger hull is needed for next gen weapons like large railguns, laser weapons, and more missiles.

>>224086135
youth doesn't understand logistics and economics

>>224097397
>doctrinally
anon
>not every casemate design is a tank destroyer
a mobile casemate design is virtually identical to the definition of a tank destroyer (unless we are talking about stuff that shoots vertically like mortars, gun emplacements, or artillery)
the lack of a turret is practically the only component missing from that definition

>That didn't really matter because this thing was designed before the proliferation of thermals on vehicles. It was designed to plink at hordes of soviet vehicles from a defilade and then fuck off quickly.
so you agree it's irrelevant to the discussion

>>224097402
>Drones are only good for harassment and sniping from the shadows.
People have very wrong takeaways from the Ukraine war.

Nobody takes into account that we see less and less combat using tanks because it's being fought by poor slav shitholes that can't afford decent air power and even then the troops on the ground still constantly use armoured vehicles whenever physically possible

>>224097413
nigga russians haven't come up with anything since the 1970s when some nigga got an erection and said "medium thanks are the solution"

>>224097490
Sad but also it's quite insane to know that the wv bug was made until the 1990s (I think) in South American countries. To be on-topic, I've seen it in may South American movies, but they were all shit movies, like South American movies are.

>>224097476
It's a thumbs and fingers situation.

Nevertheless, the S tank was meant to be used as a tank and was called a tank so in my mind it's a tank

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>>224088974
You are looking at it backwards.

Tanks are part of combined arms warfare. You are supposed to use tanks partnered with proper infantry and air support. The problem is that Russia doesn't have a proper airforce! So they deployed tanks without air cover. So they got hit by bazookas, javelin missiles, Artillery, and drones.

Also the future of drone technology is going to be AI powered drones. Jamming means nothing to them. Fiber optic links are so 7 years ago. Get with the times.

>>224097536
>anon xhe identifies as a tank, respect xer gender
:|

>>224089871
The future is that the giant robot with deploy several dozen counter drones which will escort the robot and prevent nonsense you described.

>>224095140
No. You have trouble mapping. The point is you can't move tanks into a region that is being defended by drones, which currently have no effective countermeasures.

>>224097575
>and prevent nonsense
will they be able to visit 4chin posters too :3

>>224097563
Nigga its a doctrinal thing. Militaries do this all the time for good reason.


The S tank was designed with survivability in mind since the Swedes looked at tank engagements in the Korean war and noticed that most hits were on the turret, so they eliminated the turret. It was still meant to do all the things a tank was supposed to do( unlike a tank destroyer)

>>224094956
>Why waste millions of dollars on something that has trouble in urban environments, needs infantry support and is slower than a drone that has a RPG warhead that can do just as good of a job?

Because unless you specifically have counter tank weapons, then you are screwed.

Ukraine has already said they are running low on javelin missiles and other weapons. So tanks are able to slowly push forward and capture territory. They are barely defending by spamming drones, but that still has limits.

>>224097578
>a region that is being defended by drones
why the fuck would you move your tanks into a region defended by drones anon
why

>>224097578
>which currently have no effective countermeasures.

>APS
>artillery
>jamming
>killing the evemy drone operator

>>224097614
>doctrine says we have tanks
>we have no tanks we only have this tank destroyer so they don't say we are homo
>we are not homo, right? right?
>import violent immigrants to rape left and right
>...right?

>>224097313
>MANPADS
You need to be able to manufacture or buy manpads. Ukraine is running very low. NATO won't give them as much anymore

>>224097660
to be fair a traditional MANPAD designed to hurt aircraft wouldn't even scratch a skinny tank with 20mm armor
heck it wouldn't even hurt an armored car

>>224097419
Ok that's interesting to know but what do jews and the red cross have to do with my dick? Nevermind I know what the red cross has to do with it

>>224097657
>>we have no tanks we only have this tank destroyer
They had other tanks besides this one anon. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

>>224097708
>but what do jews and the red cross have to do with my dick
ask the rabbi
>know what the red cross has to do with it
ask the red cross after the red cross is finished with you

faggot

>>224097735
>They had other tanks besides this one anon.
surprise me anon, my mind-vagina is open for you

>>224097620
Because that's the reason you're trying to occupy?

>>224085346
Mud takes out an Abrams lol

>>224095886
Apparently one of the most fun sets to be on in movie history thanks to Don Rickels

>>224097746
They had(and still have) a decent arms industry and during the cold war they used Centurions alongside domestic designs..

Currently they use a Swedish variant of the Leo2

>>224097688
Some kid just made 3d printed MANPAD, sure it wont work against a tank but that was 1 kid with a shitty commercial 3d printer.

>>224097836
that's not vagina-worthy
expect nordic lesbian feminists to come and rape you

>>224097904
>we 3d print shaped charges anon
>copper? is that something related to underaged girls?
>ack
many such cases

>>224097913
>and rape you
Can't rape the willing

>>224097943
Based non-consensual consensual anon.

>>224097620
Everyone has drones now. That's not a reason to not attack an area. Someone needs to go in on foot and with tanks

>>224097968
yes, I agree, i'm the faggot who made this post >>224097097

most anons live in denial thinking that wishful thinking is enough to take over a geographical area...

Taking over a geographical area is not an efficient means of war anymore. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

>>224098051
but how else will we produce cold wave synth music with cute underage girls sporting wicked haircuts?

>>224092659
Didn't we bring this kind of warfare back in the 15th and 16th centuries tho

>>224098106
>bring it back
anon we are living in a 15th century world, as ever since then attack>defense
the only "back" there is to the 14th century... which, to be honest, is pretty comfy :3

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>>224087219
>snorke
this?

>>224095886
Absolutely based.

>>224097620
Because you want to take it and fewer of your people die with they are fast moving metal boxes which have drone defenses and larger drones and really really really fast moving drones called fucking missiles. A missile is a drone nigga. Fuck man you don’t even need operators in the tanks anymore it’s a fucking drone but you want people up there. It’s like the Bradley.
The goal of war is to hurt the enemy to get what you want. You do that best by killing more of them and you need people to do it

to be fair with you insane niggerfaggots, as a seasoned nazi who rarely visits /tv/ you are right... tonks have rarely had a decisive impact... and have received even less acclaime
glory to the crews, they rarely opted for it, but skill always prevailed
may the Lord have mercy upon us all

>>224098346
no first you clean that area of drones and operators, that's obvious
>A missile is a drone nigga
I am 100% with you on that, but the same principles apply

we are of the same opinion but others believe tanks have any worth before cleaning airspace or getting adequate cover (like a city)

>>224098402
>but others believe tanks have any worth
I mean, it's an armoured box with a bunch of guns strapped to it. It's gonna have a use however your cut it

>1 tank vs 1 million feminists
>1 tank vs 1 million niggerss
obviously sexist and racist

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>>224098500
yeah if u solved air stuff
otherwise pic rel "sewing machine" can do anything a tank can and more (heck with a firmware update could probably take down incoming missiles too)

>>224098585
>can do anything a tank can and more
Except assault fortified areas and destroy bunkers, survive artillery fire(or even machine gun fire).


There is a reason the soviets designed and used it for a specific purpose, and why the Russians aren't using it like a tank.

>>224098585
>survive artillery fire
tanks can't do that either tho... pic rel has enough armor (35mm+) to survive even heavy machine gun fire tho

i'm pro-tank so i agree with you in theory, but tanks have an obvious disadvantage against air stuff... can't survive that without a specialized gun, and having a HE spewing non-rifled high-elevation turret ain't worth the sacrifice

>why the Russians aren't using it like a tank
they don't need to, that's the point; they probably will once the war gets close enough

>>224098714
shit >>224098714
was meant to reply to >>224098640
sorry

>>224098714
>tanks can't do that either tho
They can survive a helluva lot more than the shilka, not to mention stuff like RPGs and such


>pic rel has enough armor (35mm+) to survive even heavy machine gun fire tho
So can a tank. Your point?


>but tanks have an obvious disadvantage against air stuff...
So is literally everything else that's on the ground ...
Are you under the impression that SPAA is still useful against modern aviation? Perhaps against drones like the shahed but that isn't a frontline role that a tank is made for.


>they probably will once the war gets close enough
They actually tried making an AFV that combined fast firing autocannons with the armour of a tank and it turned out to be a useless piece of shit.

Again. The russians and the soviets before them fucking LOVED their SPAA, however there is a reason they didn't use them in place of tanks..

>>224098714
I don't know why people are complaining that tanks can't beat drones. Well obviously. Tanks lose to ALL AIR attacks. It's not just drones.

And the next generation of tanks will probably include unmanned drone tanks. So taking them out won't lose any lives.

>>224098883
People also seriously overestimate drones since most drone footage they see are hits.

What they don't see are all the misses and shit like that.
There was an interview with some ukie drone operators and they said that to take out, meaning to at least damage a single tank it takes like a dozen droone operators working in tandem and something like 90% of drones are lost before they even get to the target, and that stil doesn't guarantee a kill. Now you have to take into account the availability of the drones themselves. Does that particular unit have enough drones to do the job? And it's still dozens and dozens of people working to take out only a couple of targets in a battlefield where emitting any kind of signal exposes you to risk from enemy drones or artillery.


Ask any soldier in Ukraine if they would rather have a drone that has like a 20% chance of killing a tank or a javelin that will definitely kill it 90% of the time.

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>>224086110
>vatnik acting as if his shitboxes arent utter drone bait
get real

>>224087931
reading comprehension

>>224097313
>obsoletes
having an incredibly mobile weapons platform to immediately exploit weaknesses will always be valuable

Watching Captain Slicerax's videos and coming to this thread made me realize just how many ignorant people are in here.

>>224096494
So is it like the poster or is the movie just shot in the desert?

>>224081453
>>224093740
And there are countless videos of $5000 infantrymen being taken out by a 40 cent bullet, your point?

>>224086792
It kinda was in a way if you think about it, but they introduced planekino so all is forgiven. WW1 and WW2 aerial combat was peak.

>>224092659
Phalanxes are for plebs. A true man of knowledge knows that a thinking man's place on the battlefield is in a chariot. The tank, by the way, is the spiritual successor to the chariot, though I suppose planes might contest that.

>>224097337
There was a mercenary in Africa who did just that - had his own personal Hind attack helicopter and used the compartment as storage for extra fuel and ammo
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neall_Ellis
>During the civil war in Sierra Leone, he and his Mi-24 armed attack military helicopter crew held off Revolutionary United Front (RUF) forces almost single-handedly.
Magnificent fucker basically won a war by himself.

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>>224101500
It's shot in the desert and the visual effects are 70s tier, but the main setpiece is the APC itself(they only made one but used editing to make it look like there were two) and it's purely practical. They actually made that thing and it still exists. It's a beautiful and bizarre piece of engineering. A real one of a kind.

>>224092795
>war is actually about this
>here are 3 vague examples
What a fucking moron, dear Lord