>2026>no warp drive
>>224092765FTL/warp travel will never be real because it breaks causality
>>224092787>FTL/warp travel will never be real because it breaks causalityThis. We 100% understand the universe now so we definitely know what will or won't be possible in the future.
>>224092787This. Everyone know Grug is fastest runner. How anyone run faster than Grug? Boggles mind.
>>224092787>he doesn't know about the reality warping magic aspect of this plane
>>224092787I just made it to spite you
>>224092765It doesn't get invented until 2063
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>>224092787space warping is totally possible.you are not going faster than the speed of light,its the space around which bends,and the fabric of the universe is not limited to that speed.
>>224092787>ignoring quantum subspace interactions that account for anti-time causality-breaking paradoxeslmaoing at humans right now lol
>>224092787The speed of light isn't a constant, and does change with the warping of space. And light bending around stars conclusively proves that space can be warped, and time itself along with it.
>>224092787Thing is we don't need FTL, since if you were to travel at the speed of light (ignoring the obvious impossibilities) ANY trip would be instantaneous from your own perspective.Returning however is a different story.
>>224092765>2026>no warp driveKeep telling yourself that, bro We're just not allowed to go public with it because every brown 3rd-world moocher would demand inclusion where they'd then fuck it all up for everyone and turn ET's homeworld into another India/Africa/Latin America overpopulation dump.
>>224092765Now is honestly the best time for humanity to expand into space, I just wish we had the tools to do so. Earth has fulfilled it's purpose as the cradle but the longer we don't move on, the further we move to our own extinction, either by AI, war, or falling inwards into cyberspace. We should rather be putting all our efforts into space exploration and pulling more and more of humanity off Earth
>>224093338following that plan,you would probably find another settlement already built by other earth's humans that developed a better way of travel when you arrive.the only interesting part is that you could be still alive 10000 years from now,but what is the point.
>>224093287Warping space doesn’t change the speed of light, as light still travels at an unchanged velocity through warped space. Saying this is like saying a car didn’t actually travel 50 miles, as the crow flies, in an hour because it was going up and down hills. Light doing a bunch of loop-de-loops at C between point a and point b doesn’t mean it was traveling at less than C
>>224092765>2026>no sex drive
>>224092765Its real, its called Alcubierre drive.
Why not just make the ship out of light?
>>224093363if the technology is so simple that any brown could reproduce it, why haven’t they?
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>>224093604When I was in college 20 years ago the IQ range for the average person of average intelligence was 111 to 118. Today it's barely 100. Humanity's special people that the globalists insist we need more of are making the world to be a stupid place to live, and they're robbing us of our future because of it.
>>224093936train everyone to do pattern recognition for a year,and you will have a massive increase on the tests scores and we can all jerk off to the notion of how smart we all are.shit,IQ niggers are the worst.
>>224092765in the star trek universe zefram Cochrane invents faster than light travel on April 5th 2063. our time right now would be the beginning of ww3
>>224093936>When I was in college 20 years ago the IQ range for the average person of average intelligence was 111 to 118. Today it's barely 100.that's not how that works. 100 is literally the average. it's the baseline.
>>224093969You type like a low IQ retard
>>224094046I couldnt care less about how I write on this philipino board for autistic losers.go suck the biggest nigger dick you can find
>>224092765>>224092787I recommend everyone to watch thishttps://youtu.be/an0M-wcHw5A
>>224094174I want to believe that there are time police that catch anyone fucking with time and beat the shit out of them
>>224092765we cant even journey to mars without air/water running out due to imperfect recycling technology
>>224092765No warp drive but we do have an oppressive surveillance system that can save petabytes of data that is then parsed by incredibly powerful AI LLM's that catalouge every tiny facet of your life to be sold for a premium to ad companies and the government to help subtly inject propaganda into your brain via social media apps that also use incredibly advanced AI to carefully manipulate every thought that passes through your brain! Isnt that amazing?? The future is now!
>>224094174What about instantaniously teleporting over stellar distances? How would that break causality when no information can reach or leave the "jumping" ship?
>>224094938one of the issues with FTL travel is that there is no unified frame of reference for time. every frame of reference is unique and "correct" in its own way, because time is not like a map coordinate where you can move back and forth freely, you can only move in one direction.the nearest star is 4 lightyears away, if you were able to move there "instantaneously" you would also move backwards in time 4 years.if you were to "look back" at our sun and then teleport again, you would jump back another 4 years.this ofcourse is paradoxical, because you can't arrive somewhere before you started.but FTL travel would enable you to do this, because the speed of light is also the speed of causality.FTL travel would enable time travel and break the rules of causality. considering the universe still exists its safe to assume that nobody has figured it out yet (and nobody will ever figure it out) and it is a hard barrier that will never be broken.
>>224095253>the nearest star is 4 lightyears away, if you were able to move there "instantaneously" you would also move backwards in time 4 years.But why? That star has an absolute position in front of me that does not necessarily correlate with the light from the star that's currently hitting my eyes, but its "real" coordinates in space can be calculated. And it's not like that I'm jumping into an entirely new timeframe in the alpha centauri system. Time should pass exectly as it does in the Sol system.
>>224092765Instead we have DEI policies and women voting. Guess we chose poorly
>>224092765There’s already warp drive. Just not for you.
>>224094938>you instantly teleport from earth to vega>once there you accelerate your ship for some reason>this changes your frame of reference, your "now">you then choose to teleport instantly back to earth>this way you could again end up in earth's past, before you even left for vega
>>224095554What if the teleportation engine resets all momentum or acceleration to zero?Let's face it, I'm just too dumb to understand the consequences. But only because I want it to work. If it doesn't, we will remain on Earth for ever.
>>224095386for all intents and purposes, the light you see from alpha centauri "right now" IS "right now" over there, because there is no unified frame of reference of time.they "havent caught up yet" with you. the universe is only 14 billion years old from your perspective, it IS literally younger the further you look into the distance.this is an odd concept but its the way it works.if you imagine the clocks running slower the farther you look into the distance, it might make more sense.its something we as people dont really have an intuitive grasp on because the speed of causality makes no difference in everyday lives, everything is "instantaneous"
>>224095601Space exploration will be limited to self-replicating Von-Neumann probes. They will never report back because all the space agencies will be long gone when they reach their first destinations.
>>224095253>>224095386lol anon does not understand interposition
>>224095253>the nearest star is 4 lightyears away, if you were able to move there "instantaneously" you would also move backwards in time 4 years.Anon a “light year” is just a unit of measurement for how far light will travel in a year. Being able to move faster than light and then being able to turn around and watch things that happened x time before you left and the fact you won’t be visible at your location until light can travel back to your start point is not time travel. Time dilation is a function of mass and the theory is traveling at a relativistic velocity increases the mass of an object towards infinity. That a satellite in orbit has more mass than a satellite on the ground, which generates measurable amounts of time dilation that need to be accounted for.Being able to travel without actually moving is a proposed means of sidestepping this universal speed limit. Warping space is another proposed method, to essentially make each step a person takes longer without actually changing anything about the person. But we haven’t figured out how to uncompress space.
>>224095601>we will remain on Earth for everNot at all, you theoretically could travel to anywhere in the universe within your lifetime without breaking causality since time-dilation is a thing.If you traveled 50 lightyears at just under the speed of light, the trip would be almost instantaneous from your perspective. From an outsider's perspective it would have taken you ~50 years, but from their perspective you would look to be frozen in time.Of course nobody is going to be able to achieve that due to the energy requirements and the instant burst of 50 years worth of radiation would be insane; but still technically possible.
>>224095554Whoever taught you this was fucking with you or just retarded. If you instantly traveled to where Vega appears to be now, you would be in empty space, some distance away from Vega. If you then turned around and tried to instantly travel where earth appears to be from your current perspective, you would also be in empty space. Everything in the universe is always moving. To instantly travel to Vega based upon where it appears to be from the perspective of earth, you would need to calculate where it would appear to be four years from now, as what is visible from earth is where Vega was four years ago. To get back, if for some reason you don’t have your start coordinates, you would need to chart earth’s movement through the sky from Vega and calculate where it would be in four years. If you took another method, and instead of traveling straight at Vega in one jaunt, and instead teleported one lightmonth towards where vega seems to be now, Vega would shift a distance in [whatever] direction when you arrived, because you’re now seeing what would be visible from earth a month after you left. You could then turn around and look back and see whatever was happening on earth a month ago. This isn’t time travel, this is moving to another snapshot of light as light travels through space. You wouldn’t be able to, say, send a message by shining lights at earth from the lightmonth away as it would take a month to reach earth, and that light would reach earth moments after you left.
>>224096482Anon if you time dilated yourself to near infinity so you could travel any distance I a reasonable amount of time from your perspective, you would see everything in the universe speed up while from an outside perspective you would seem to never move.
Ah sweet it’s a retards try and explain general relativity thread.
>>224096538Thank you for rewording that post.
>>224096641You really don’t understand what was said if you think that’s a rewording. If you time dilated to a point where you could travel 50 light years in one year, the destination, presumably a planet or something, would also be moving 50 times faster than it is currently, to your perspective. If you dilated to near infinity, everything would be moving nearly infinitely fast, from your perspective.
Faster than light communication would break causality. Instant teleportation like on Galactica should be safe.Imagine you are sitting inside a strong gravity well like orbiting a neutron star and you tried to communicate with the outside world over faster than light subspace radio. It breaks my mind even thinking about it
>>224096704whats the difference between ftl communication and instant teleportation?
>>224096750The flow of information takes time. A radio broadcast of a conversation between two very different timeframes is different than teleporting from relatively empty space to relatively empty space 20 lightyears away.
>>224096704Where do you even get this shit?Neptune is anywhere between 2 and 14 lightminutes away from earth at any given time. If a faggot on Neptune was chatting with a retard on earth their messages would arrive after they were sent. If the retard looked at Neptune and saw the faggot get murdered, he wouldn’t be able to message the faggot and warn him, because the faggot would’ve already been dead 2-14 minutes by the time the retard saw it.
>>224096929What are you even babbling about
>>224092765IIRC it's only invented around 2080 so we're still on trek
>>224096942But that doesn't mean that everything that happens on Neptune always happens 2-14 minutes in our past.
>>224097018No. It means what we see of Neptune is information that is 2-14 minutes out of date.
With so many hobby scientists in one thread I wonder, can spacetime be damaged or destroyed by a super large black hole or will it always snap back as if nothing happened once the black hole has moved away?
>>224093363That guys from the generation that was seriously investigating ESP, remote viewing, teleportation, and all the rest of the new age nonsense. They were getting MK-ULTRA’d
>>224097167Does an explosion “damage” the air?
>>224097167Could God create a gun that could God? I doubt the universe is destroyable by anything it itself created.
>>224097051there is no such thing as "out of date", time always depends on your reference point.there will always be a 14 lightminutes difference between earth and neptune, because causality travels this fast.the gravity of neptune also affects us at this rate.there is no "real neptune, 14 minutes into the future" yet by the time you see the light from neptune on earth, for all intents and purposes, this neptune doesnt exist yet.if you could travel there "instantaneously", the neptune you see from earth right now would be the neptune you travel to, because you "instant travel" requires that you keep your own specific reference point. you cant travel to a point in time that doesnt exist yet.which is where FTL travel breaks down, because looking back at earth again, you would see earth again 14 minutes in the past, and you would see your own ship before it launched, and if you jumped again you would meet yourself, which is ofcourse paradoxical and cant be
>>224092765It's time to accept this: reality is not star wars nor star trek. There will not be any warp travel where the average joe is easily, quickly joy riding around the galaxy meeting millions of sexy aliens. Humanity is stuck in the solar system for the forseeable future and harsh reality does not care how that makes you feel. Life on this planet has been here for many millions of years, dying, going extinct, living only to be obliterated by some enemy, etc. You have no destiny nor right to travel the stars. And exploration to new frontiers is deadly and arduous. The people just on the frontiers of America died like crazy to animals, disease, starvation, and exposure. And that's on a fucking livable planet like Earth. You're not going to send out some normal speed ship and explore dead worlds either. If humans truly want to explore the stars, it will be done by robots and digital lifeforms. Long time lines, slow speed, and harsh conditions mean nothing to them.
>>224097745Anon. You’re confusing particles moving through space with time. I’ve seen you do this before and you just keep repeating your faulty idea as someone who did have breakfast. Light is not time. Light is just information. Looking at where Neptune was 2-14 minutes ago isn’t looking into the past. Being able to instantly move to where Neptune is doesn’t break causality. The light from your arrival will still take 2-14 minutes to reach earth. Being able to look at earth and see things that happened 2-14 minutes before you arrived on Neptune isn’t looking into the past. If you instantly traveled from earth to Neptune and back again, you would not arrive before you left, you’d arrive after you left, after you left Neptune. Objects in space are at their current position in space no matter how much lag caused by distance there is between you and that object. For light is not time, and playing ping pong with photons isn’t time travel.
>>224092787>He doesn't know the singularity drive.KeK
>>224092765If I remember correctly we’re at the point where we basically know how to make a warp drive but there’s no large enough power source yet so any real mechanical attempt is futile.
>>224092787>>224093338Light travel is easy you just need infinite energy!but in serious its probably a good thing light speed limit makes any form of interstellar empire impractical otherwise ayys would of rolled over us by now
>>224095698>self-replicating Von-Neumann probesThank you. Your kind gonna unleash the Threat upon us.
>>224094938>What the shitty ending it had.I bet the writer didn't give a shit when they get the info to wrap it up
>>224092787The biggest barrier is there is no energy source we could ever harness or produce that would be capable of creating FTL travel, even if we solved all the other problems. There is no magic dilithium or tillium or unobtaniom out there to power the warp engines. There's only a finite amount of elements in the universe and we've discovered most of them, and there's no sign of any being an efficient or powerful enough energy source to do anything noteworthy with. We were lucky enough to have oil hanging around just to help us fire some rockets into space, but that's extremely finite resource that's rapidly running out so soon we won't even to breach our own atmosphere let alone establish colonies within our own system - never mind true space colonization.Earth is our aquarium. Earth is our prison. We will never expand beyond it in any meaningful way. We will exist and die exclusively on this rock. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a coping retard.
>>224098339I don’t think we know how to reverse gravity. As gravity is the one method we know of to warp space.
>>224098458>hydrocarbons are produced by decaying plant/animal matter>there’s still plant/animal matter decaying>this makes oil finitethere’s a misstep in your logic here my main man
>>224098351>ayysI rather worry about the eldritch cosmic horrors.
>>224092787>sailing beyond the pillars of Hercules is scientifically impossible >humans flying is scientifically impossibleCurrent year sciencels routinely btfo by future science chads
>>224098519Think of hydrocarbons or fossil fuels as concentrated sunshine. Hundreds of millions of years of concentrated sunshine that we use to sit stuck in traffic.
>>224098458>Nigga didn't know the antimatter.
Why our spaceships looks super gay?Where are the capital ships?
>>224098549The langley aerodrome was such a hilariously retarded design it isn’t even funny and two rednecks from North Carolina upstaged it in a few years.
>>224098693You need a space elevator first
>>224098564Made up reddit shit by scientists who are currently being shown up by a glorified google search engine because they're too lazy and complacent to actually discover new shit.Scientists have been peddling techbro tier copium to keep themselves in funding because our institutions have been scams for near 30 years now, focused on sucking in as much money as possible by letting any rich kid or post no child left behind retard who can take out enough loans in while occasionally enrolling an unqualified diversity student to showcase how progressive they are to the retarded rich donor class.Science has become a joke and we are objectively getting dumber. All science theories made in the last 30 years can be considered garbage bordering on actual fantasyslop.
>>224096942>Neptune is anywhere between 2 and 14 lightminutes away from earth at any given timei can see people in the future buying house on Neptune sale guy saying just 2 minutes flight see. Then they try to go there on vacation waste 14 minutes and get very angry.
>>224098960>Selling a house on a gas planet, jews not interested.
>>224098564Need a means to regulate the energy produced. Like sure we could just use nukes to technically get to the joules needed but we can’t regulate the energy in a useful manner.
>>224097214Dunning-Kruger: The post
>>224092765At least we're gonna have holodecks.
>>224100106MK-ULTRA was ultimately a retirement program. Stuff them with LSD and get them researching their hallucinations.
>>224100114lol, nah
>>224098086NTAThe problem is that time slows down for things moving at light speed. Assuming Earth as a frame and another object like a space ship travelling at some fraction of speed of light as another frame, on the ship time will slow down. Both has humans wanting to travel to another destination planet.Excluding FTL, if we want to travel huge distances the only other way is a wormhole. But because of this relativity of time slowing down, wormholes from our 2 sources to the common destination will cause irreconcilable differences. The wormhole from the ship to the planet will be in the past relative to the one from the earth to the planet.
>>224092787>FTL/warp travel will never be real because it breaks causalityThat's why in Star Trek they talk about folding space to break causality.
>>224093287>The speed of light isn't a constantIncorrect. The speed of light is constant, but there's an illusion of slowdown thanks to the field of spacetime being pulled by things like gravity wells.
>>224098458>We were lucky enough to have oil hanging around just to help us fire some rockets into space, but that's extremely finite resource that's rapidly running out so soon we won't even to breach our own atmosphere let alone establish colonies within our own system - never mind true space colonization.Nigger, hydrocarbons are not essential. All you need to do a separate the water compound into hydrogen and oxygen with electrolysis. These same elements can then be combined to create the energy we need for space travel.
Recall reading that 22 years pass for every year at light?
>>224098458You think liquid hydrogen, liquid nitrogen, potassium sulfate, aluminum ice, and nitrocellulose all come from from oil?
