Why hasn't anyone made a big effort big budget series about the fall of the Aztec Empire? The story is kino af.
>>224106709Brown people GOOD. White people (which currently includes the Spanish) BAD.
Was gonna post apocalypto, but ig that was the mayans
Personally I’d rather see a movie about the Olmecs.
>>224106724Why not make it from the POV of the Aztecs and frame it as a tragedy. It wouldn't even be controversial to portray cortez as a villain. Just omit the human sacrifices and you are golden
>>224106762What stories do the olmecs have that could be made into tv or film?
Not enough interest, no money to be maade. if big effort big budget series about rome lasted barely 2 seasons before redeemed not worth the time and money. Aztec stuff wouldn't stand a chance.
>>224106709Because the potential audience would be divided into 2 main groups: >morons who know or care nothing about the Aztec history>people who know or care about itOf those in the latter category, you'd inevitably have:>wokes and Mexicans who would whine and cry about Aztecs being portrayed badly and/or Spaniards positively >anti-wokes whining about the oppositeSo, it raises the question: who the FUCK would the movie be FOR?
>>224106760No difference
>>224106790High fantasy stuff but in a jungle. Apparently Olmecs also had some knowledge of magnetism. Their statues had been polarized and magnetized and they found a massive stash of magnetite cubes in one of their compounds. Some theorize them to be used to carry giant statues around. Doesn’t have to be a realistic movie, it could be like Gods of Egypt or Wrath of the Titans.
>>224106709>big effort big budget series about the fall of the Aztec Empire?It would be boring.Just 30 conquistadors lining thousands of aztecs up as they eat bullets like retards.
>>224106860I don't think they had bullets back then
>>224106895It was the 16th century so yeah, they did. Europeans had guns since the 14th century.
>>224106709Hollywood opposes it contrary to popular belief, they don't want to piss off their white audience and diverse audience at the same time. If it is from the native's perspective, they will include a white protag in it.
>>224106709It’s already done.
>>224107031>big budget series>>HURR, "it's already done" as a single movie 20 years ago
>>224106790pick your favorite mexican cartel show
>>224106709Ah Pook won’t let them
>>224106709>look at propaganda picture>omg based as fuck this must be exactly how it happened
>>224106709sword comin out his knee
Historical shows can't survive modern writing or producers without being butchered to the point of it being leftist historical revisionism, which is box office and ratings poison unless it's literal state funded propaganda. See anything made by the bbc, usaid money, or the EU.
>>224106709'Run to the Hills' starts playing during the trailer
>>224107452>>224107320>>224107300
>>224106860You don't know anything about the conquest of the aztecs retard
>>224107879They don't want to learn, they want black vs white revisionism. The Aztec were dicks surrounded by other cultures that wanted them dead, but they also weren't completely backwards "savages". They quickly adapted their tactics to fight the Spaniards more effectively but the combination of superior tech, horses, disease, and local uprising backed by the Spanish meant they ultimately never had a chance.
>>224108042Its such a cool story i like how Cortez burned all his ships to prevent retreat and then quickly hustled together a dozen or so sloops when he saw Lake Texcoco and is suddenly flinging diseased horses over the wall on them
>>224106709I always wanted a what if? Scenario where the Aztecs won/never got invaded and created an Atlantis type of society
>>224108091They didn’t seem to be very progressive or development-minded human sacrificers
>>224108091>I always wanted a what if? Scenario where the Aztecs won/never got invaded and created an Atlantis type of society
>>224106805For me. I care and know about pre-columbian america, and frankly even a retarded action flick like apocalypto is welcome if the portrayals are entertaining enough. Also the human sacrifices are only polemic to normoid pussies who have no idea how proliferant that practice has been worldwide.
>>224108120>They didn’t seem to be very progressive or development-minded human sacrificers>>2026>>believing the exaggerated accounts of the conquistadors and 16th century Catholic Churchlol. lmao even.
>>224108176>creating art for an audience of one/twoone of us is gonna have to do it ourselves, based and realist historybro.
>>224106760That's not even true. Mel Gibson just strung up some cameras in the trees around an Albuquerque mall. That's all found footage.
>>224108091The issue with a no contact scenario is that the new world had no reliable pack animals and while it was good at working with softer metals like gold and silver they never developed the industrial capacity to work iron so their technology had stagnated. Another big factor is building and maintaining anything in a jungle is extremely difficult, so drought and famine will drive most of the population back into the jungle to live in small tribes that are much more resilient but aren't condusive to cultural or technological advancement. Look at the Aboriginal people of Australia for example, they became the apex species of Australia fairly quickly and were even doing simple farming but were so isolated from the rest of the world they never had the need to develop past the stone age.TLDR "new world" humans were just as smart was Europeans but they developed in extremely isolated conditions both culturally and technologicaly.
>>224108218As a teenager, I found the indigenous non-sexual nudity in the film a nice rotation to my normal line-up. >>224108264>t. Guns-Germs-and-Steel bro
>>224106709There's a Spanish-language one called Conquest, it's supposed to be awesome.
>>224106821There is a difference though
"Hernan" was very good. you americans really need to start looking at stuff made outside of your bubble.
>>224106760apocalypto is fun and has great looking sets, but is completely ahistorical and basically a fantasy movie.
>>224106709Same reason there isnt a movie about Brits colonizing india. Dont want to show white people making a place better. Though in defence of the native south americans, they had built huge clean cities, aqueducts, a sun dial, calendars, etc. Much more advanced than your typical brownoids.
>>224106709no they'll just turn it into brown avatarand not show the savagery of the aztecs
Why is it always about the Americas?Story of the guy in the pic is pure kino but he's barely known outside Portugal (I bet they have movies about him).
>>224107879When they first saw the conquistadors they thought it was their gods come to save then and like 30 spaniards killed thousands of them and they all ate the bullets thinking its their gods bringing them home.You should read more.
>>224106709A brown woman betraying her kind for BWC is problematic in 2026.
>>224108938there is tons of shit like >>224108896 mentioned. its just that (You) are too ignorant and sheltered to know about it.
>>224106709Does Mexico have any cool/interesting eras post colonization?
>>224108836Beaners are beaners. Idc which woo woo tribe of timberniggers they hailed from
>>224108963iirc mexico also had a civil war in 1860 and they tried to make a Habsburg king. it was a weird era
>>224108963Santa Anna. He was a dictator and a cunt who ran Mexico into the ground
>>224108042Funny you say that while you parrot the most mainstream bullshitWhere was this superior tech when the Spanish horses were all drowned and all their powder was wet, and a small army of them still cut through a huge Aztec army?I keep telling you people this. It wasn't the tech. It sure as HELL wasn't the 'native allies' who were all but useless. It was the Spanish. That's it. He's much closer to the truth than you are.
>>224108952That grace period didn't last as long as you think it did. The shock of gunpowder weapons wore off fairly quickly once they figured out how they worked, horses were arguably a bigger factor and much harder to counter if your culture has had 0 exposure to them. That and all the neighbors that you've been subjugating also seize the opportunity to boogaloo.
>>224107058Olmecs depicted themselves with beards and South American natives never had the genes for facial hair until the Spanish came.
>>224108218its not a mall it was the fair grounds and you really cant live near it without sitting by your front door with a shotgun all day
>>224109002It went like this1. Mexico borrowed from everyone and failed to pay2. Juarez (president) and told the Europs "fuck you pendejos, come and get it"3. Napoleon III sent a fleet to come and get it4. Battle of Puebla or some shit, total BEANER VICTORY (well, until the troops found another way in)5. Frogs loot everything, because Frogs6. There's a spare Habsburg prince since Austria got fucked in Europe, why not give him MX as a consolation prize7. Old government flees north, under Juarez8. Juarez' own legal term runs out, he claims it doesn't count9. Juarez defeats the supporters of the (dead) constituion10. Juarez, who is now military commander, moves back south11. Meanwhile not just the Frogs but also the Pope decides to rugpull Maximilian12. Empress Carlota goes on a European tour begging for help13. no help is given for dear "Maxl" so Carlota goes nuts and gets locked away14. Juarez kills Maxl15. Mexico lives happily ever after
>>224108961Did you reply to the correct person? I complemented the natives by listing their achievements and indirectly agreed with the guy you linked me to by saying "cant show whites making a place better". What's your problem?
>>224109193>15. Mexico lives happily ever afterThis part especially. It's just been smooth sailing for them after they cast off their european oppressors.
>>224109196because you implied that they dont wanna make media about the aztecs for the same reason as british india because you think its about muh white guilt or something when there already are tons of television and films about conquistadors in mexico.
>>224109233THE OP POST LITERALLY ASKS WHY WE DONT HAVE CONQUISTADOR MOVIES THEREFORE I WAS JUST POSTING ON TOPIC YOU FAGGOT.
>>224109260AND I TOLD YOU THAT WE FUCKING DO ITS JUST THAT YOU AND OP ARE TOO RETARDED TO KNOW THAT THERE IS TONS OF SHIT BEING MADE
>>224109284Name ONE mainstream, or semi good budgeted conquistador themed movie that has come out in the past 5 years.
>>224106948Too bad, im making it. And yes, there will be blood.
>>224109497On the flip side i just want an aztec setting movie before the spanish arrival, why is it so hard? Lol
>>224109536Because it would show why so many tribes joined the Spanish and we can't show innocent browns fighting each other unless we can blame Europe.
Who would play Cortez and Mactazuma?For me it would be Mel Gibson as Cortez and Benicio Del Toro as Moctezuma.
>>224110939supposedly they looked very similar. but yeah that casting would be good
>>224110939>>224111009I was trying to get gemini to generate a movie poster for that casting but it said it won't make anything with real people. ;_;
>>224106709>The story is kino af.qrd?
>>224111123Read the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz. That should be required reading on this board and site
>>224111166That's not quick
>>224111486>>224111166Agreed with the op. It doesn't matter it's not quick, it's one of the most amazing reads you'll ever had. The guts on those men.
>>224106709Because it would be far too kino.
>>224106709I didn't realize Aztecs had skyscrapers ypipo really took everything fr on us
>>224106797Did they cast niggers as major characters in this series about Rome? Wondering if that might have something to do with it
>>224107452Imagine being there and just living in the moment like these Chads. Drinking tequila and fucking a new war bride every night
>>224108264>developed on isolated conditions The tribes/ethnicities in SA and Africa were just as numerous as those in the fertile crescent. They didn't develop advanced technologies because they were lower on, not because of isolation. Unless you mean isolation from white people
>>224111677They'd been drinking sherry or some kind of brandy.
>>224108896OP clearly said big budget you esl retard
>>224111582Templo Mayor, the pyramid where they sacrificed so many, is believed to have been about 200 feet/60 meters tall. Of course, the Spanish rightly razed it.
>multiple posts about ApocalyptoDo you guys just not watch the movies you discuss? Apocalypto isn't about the fall of the Aztec empire at all.
>>224111726>lower on Sorry lower iq
It's funny how much mexico fetishizes not only the aztecs but cuohtemoc especially. the retard who refused to surrender to the spanish when beaten, who got his entire civilization razed and murdered. the ridiculous brown pride thing modern mexicans do is very counterproductive
>>224111793this is /tv/. very few posters watch television and film. many treat this place like a blue /b/.
>>224111849>the ridiculous brown pride thing modern mexicans do is very counterproductiveThat's the new normal everywhere, not only among browns. Historical niggerdom as though it isn't the most embarrassing fucking thing ever. >Scots denying their role in the British Empire, declaring themselves victims of the Highland Clearocaust >Irish denying their role as soldiers, declaring themselves the Palestinians of yesteryear>Bretons, Corsicans, in France>Catalonians in Spain>Poles to Germans>Ukranians to Russians, Scandinavians>Finns to Scandinavians And plenty more white ethnic groups. Indians crying about Brits and Muslims. Central Asians crying about Russians and the Chinese. In East Asia it's everyone crying about Japan and China (and China about Japan). In Africa it's Europeans and the Chinese.Victim mentalities fitting the age of sedentary shapeless and spineless masses. Incentivised to play the raped victim because it gets them sympathy and handouts.
>>224111990>Victim mentalities fitting the age of sedentary shapeless and spineless masses.What do *we* do then?
>>224107452lol
>>224111677When was tequila invented? Was it Aztec?
think about how difficult it is to sit through a movie that's all black people. now imagine instead of those black people it's all five foot five brown square headed mexi-indian guys for two to three hours
>>224113871https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tequila
>>224113987Qrd?
>>224106709Fuck that is a cool picture.
>>224108084Cortez burned his ships to hide the evidence of where he landed because he was literally on the run from Spanish authorities and would have been hanged in Spain if he didn't topple the Aztecs.
>>224106709Were they more advanced than rome or pre gunpowder medivial europe?
>>224114160Probably on par with pre bronze age collapse Mediterranean. Shockingly advanced for cannibals though
>>224114008
>>224114072See >>224107398
>>224106805>Mexicans who would whine and cry about Aztecs being portrayed badlyWe don't consider them the good guys.
>>224115330you will as soon as americans make a movie about them. >la gringos me racismistale ooooh me feelingas m-m-mu culturinos
>>224111793It's a well-known, well-like film that does end with the Spanish reaching the coast, so naturally it will be mentioned in these threads.
>>224106709Just make it about how batshit crazy Cortez was. Half of the Spanish victories were based on Cortez’s insane confidence in impossible odds.
>>224108963Cowboys and The Alamo, Cartel stories
>>224114160They were backwards in some ways and shockingly advanced in some ways that are hard to really wrap your head around. They had a giant floating city with 200k people, public education, government funded street cleaners, running water in many houses, advanced doctors and dentists partially supported by the government, neighborhood level politicians that peasants could talk to about their problems, and a ZOO AND AQUARIUM, all supported by floating farms that were more calorie productive per acre than modern industrial farming. Even the conquistadors said it was the most spectacular city on the planet without a doubt. They had miles and miles of sophisticated aqueducts, and one of the largest dikes on the planet, organized and sophisticated armies of tens or hundreds of thousands fighting in formations and pulling off complex maneuvers, long distance trade reaching from the American great lakes to south America on seas that were a nightmare even for Spanish ships, sophisticated medicine and mathematics...Then on the other hand they refused to adopt metal tools or wheels on a large scale despite archeological evidence showing that they were discovered and spread throughout Mesoamerica ages before European contact, and many places insisted on using stupidly overcomplicated pictographic glyphs long after Mayans invented a proper alphabet. Just odd, like someone making a bee line down a few tech trees in a civilization game and ignoring other basic ones, but irl. Mexico and Guatemala have a similar density of ruins to places like Greece and Italy, it's just that no one really cares about them and they're destroyed constantly. As recently as 2024 they found a lost Mayan city in the Yucatan as large as San Francisco. 15 minute walk from a town and major highway, just sitting there, buried by jungle.>>224114207Bronze age Mediterranean is a good comparison, minus the bronze for the most part lol.
>>224108963>Maximiliano>Cristero war>Pastry war>Porfiriato
>>224109160>and South American natives never had the genes for facial hair until the Spanish came.This is a myth, hell even Moctezuma II had a beard. It was just that the near universal standard for Mesoamericans was to shave all their facial hair, and since they were a cleanliness obsessed people who bathed constantly I'd assume they shaved near constantly as well.Also the Olmecs were not south American.
Reminder that Iberians are not white.
>>224106709I want one about the first voyage across the entire Amazon. Francisco Orellana saw dozens of coastal settlements and at least one large city with paved roads. The next voyage through the Amazon wasn't for another 100+ years. They reported seeing nothing near to the previous voyage. Almost everyone who came into contact with Orellana's men likely died of smallpox within a year. The closest film to the above story that I know of is Werner Herzog's "Aguirre"
>>224116943>t. jew doing d&c TKD
>>224114072It's by Jaime Jones. Goated concept artist.>>224115049It's just a quick sketch dude
>>224106709I don't know, but if we're talking about under explored, significant historical events that would make for a great series or movie, then I would suggest the battle of Tours, where Charles "The Hammer" Martel, a name that every western child should recognize, saved Europe from the invading moslem horde. The whole Reconquista is loaded with potential kino. Unfortunately, it will probably never be given the attention that it deserves, for obvious reasons. Even if it were, it'd probably be through a woke, revisionist lens.
>>224106709Because they can't make the Aztecs good guys with all the insane, barbaric and inhumane shit they did and still tell the same story, and they can't make the Spanish the good guys because ypeepobad
>>224106709They should make a movie about the white god that was foretold to arrive upon their shore and liberate them from their savagery. It's true, no matter how hard woke historians try to rewrite the narrative.
Hernan. With subtitles and nudity. Pretty cash.
>>224117548>Charles MartelLiterally did nothing. Just a minor skirmish with an Iberian Muslim raiding force.
movies nowadays cost 300 million and take 10 years and NEED to make at least 1 trilly
>>224106724This but unironically.
>>224107452Need more of this Aztec princess
>>224118600Cast her!
>>224116821Thanks for the effort anon
>>224107417USAID is dead, this isn't 2016 anymore, bro.
>>224116821>refused to adopt metal tools or wheels on a large scale, and many places insisted on using stupidly overcomplicated pictographic glyphs long after Mayans invented a proper alphabet. >Just odd, like someone making a bee line down a few tech trees in a civilization game and ignoring other basic ones, but irl.Based. Maybe they had the spiritual foresight to know that:>The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>>224118600for your research anon
>>224106709nobody cares about history anymore
>>224121317Why not? History is full of kino stories!
>>224108997thankfully we aren't all morons
>>224114156It didn't work. Velasquez sent a fleet after him under Narvaez, which found Cortes' spoor near-immediately.But Cortes found Narvaez first and beat his ass, absorbing that force into his own.
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>>224116895You’re literally showing Olmec statues, ya dummy.
>>224106724>which currently includes the SpanishSee there's the problem
>>224116895Did they shave their genitals too or just their faces?
A fantastic film by the great Henry King (a Methodist who eventually converted to Catholicism). The volcano sequence is truly mind-blowing (and the SOUNDTRACK!).https://youtu.be/eXVWSAMq6aA?list=RDeXVWSAMq6aA
>>224106709it's pretty unsatisftying. No one knows what was going on with Montezuma and Cortez and it made no obvious sense, so any adaptation would have to fill in the blanks with supposition that no one would buy fully.
>>224120385>maybe they had the foresight to knowThey did not.
>>224120620Came here to post her.
>>224120309I appreciate the support friend>>224120385There were quite a few technologies that Mesoamericans were aware of and knew could make their lives easier, that they refused to adopt due to cultural reasons. Kind of respectable in a way, I guess.>>224123217Only a few of those are Olmec. The point of the image was to show that there's tons of depictions of bearded men across the Americas from long before European contact.>>224123518I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me. I'd like to imagine hot Aztec babes had big juicy bushes though. I strongly believe that pre Columbian natives were much hotter than modern ones, and the ugliness of modern natives is a result of artificial selection, over hundreds of years the hottest ones were snatched up by rapey settlers and had much of their native blood bred out of them. Latinas are fun but they could have been much more exotic.>inb4 ugly people in uncontacted tribesThose are all from South America, most of the civilized Mesoamerican peoples were too urbanized to hide away effectively.
>>224106805This. Not only would it be REALLY expensive to do it all justice, it would piss people off one way or another. Also, historical epics aren't really in vogue right now so I don't see it happening anytime soon no matter what.
The Spanish were almost entirely wiped out when retreating from the Aztec capital when things got spicy. Cortes survived by the skin of his teeth. Funny how history had a coin flip's change of being completely different.
>>224124707How did Cortez survive?
>>224124707Yeah, pop history likes to pretend that the Spaniards were unstoppable supermen mowing down cavemen left and right but in reality even with hundreds of thousands of native allies and a nightmare giga plague that conveniently affected their enemies far more than their allies they still lost over half of their men and were nearly defeated. Cortez' expedition was actually completely illegal and the Spanish crown made multiple attempts to stop it, but their soldiers kept defecting to join him in looting and pillaging. The only pardoned him in the end because of how bad it would make them look if the world noticed how powerless they were to prevent their soldiers from defecting and committing atrocities on the other side of the globe. If the Cortez expedition failed, it's most likely that the Spanish crown would have apologized profusely and tried to establish diplomatic and economic ties with the Aztecs and other Mexican states. They'd still try to conquer them, especially since they would be ravaged by smallpox either way at that point, but they probably would have done it more covertly and over a longer period of time, focusing on slowly accumulating political influence and spreading their religion to culturally dominate them and usurp the existing power structures rather than outright invading and taking everything by force. Which also, I believe, would mean more native culture, art, and architecture would have been preserved. As much as I'd like to see native American states surviving to the present day I think that would have been the most realistic best case scenario.
>>224125362Allah protected him.
>>224125468
>>224106773They did that with a Batman movie. Two-Face was Cortez.
>>224125598posted by a self hating latinx btw
>>224106724The Aztecs were unironically the good guys and the spics were unironically objectively evil.
>>224111615I think it's because no one except white trash cares about european fanfiction that largely steals from constantinoples' history.
I would prefer a series about this
>>224125809Tlaxcalteco? I don't know that you guys were self hating. You signed up with the spics because the Aztecs were that godawful. So did Texcoco and a shitload of various vassals.
>>224126872>fuck a bunch of bitches>murder your children>kill yourselfreal g
>>224126872>this story, reproduced from two postconquest texts, presents the Nahuas with a series of moral dilemmas
>>224106709 its kino, i want to see the scene where the spainish tryed to escape at night while having their pockets and bodies weighed down from all the gold the stole and getting murdered because they couldnt run fast enough because of it,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Noche_Triste
>>224125809>he thinks I'm in the USLMAOing at your life
>>224106918nta, they didn't call them bullets and they weren't what we understand as bullets either.
>>224114156>>224122682any good books on this to recommend?
>>224127092didnt say that faggot. most of the people who seethe about native americans online are from mexico and south america trying to venerate their "based conquistador ancestors"
>>224107472>>224107452made me kek
>>224116943this
>>224106709>Why hasn't anyone made a big effort big budget series about the fall of the Aztec Empire? The story is kino af.because whites and jews will make it into a we wuz gods n sheeit we is civilizing them n sheet it's best if whites and jews don't touch other cultures other than their own
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>>224126872The Aztecs were ass men? No tit men?
>>224107357context?
>>224106709mite b cool
>>224106790>What stories do the olmecs have that could be made into tv or film?Having giant heads (it turns out those statues were to scale).
>>224106841I'd watch that. That be badass.
>>224107452The biwisi arrived
>>224130928We're their entire bodies giant or just their heads?
>>224131521*were
>>224130631Cool but WAAAAAY too small. That's the size of like a minor provincial Mexican city, its well attested by both archeology and eyewitness accounts that tenochtitlan was one of the largest cities on earth. Also it depicts the surrounding area as jungle for some reason when it was semi arid plains. This guy's work is still the best reconstruction imo, and he lists his sources as well.https://tenochtitlan.thomaskole.nl/
>>224108133They would be largely the same today had the old world not come into contact. They would not have had horses or oxen. Would not have developed electricity or gun powder.
>>224131521Just their heads. They had to use magnets to hold themselves up. Very awkward.
Based /his/ enjoyers>>224131828Nice anon
>>224106709>please mister jewxecutive fund my autistic dream project it's only two gorillion dollarinos Live action historical shit in current year is a joke, a total memecow, a year in and year out polfag circus. Make it animated, make it fantastically fictional with only spiritual and aesthetic relationship with historical events, have a single man invent the aesthetics and storyboard, and let everyone else working on it to be zealots for that vision. Total boardroom death and Hail Caesar. Whoever he might be.
>>224108264>and were even doing simple farmingI think that got disproven a few years ago actually. They had 0 agriculture beyond foraging.
>>224106709I remember watching pic related and then laughing as this guy mogs the entire movie itself
here's another movie that got completely mogged by it's own Conqistakino scenes
>>224108896does it portray the Spanish as the good guys or not?I'm not wasting time on anti-White woke slop
>>224133371It's anti-white slop, skip it. Plus they cast a gipsy mongrel as the pure-blood castizo Cortés, it fucking sucks.
if you want to understand why true Conqistakino has never happened and will never happen anytime in the near future you need only look at the time period of when it happened.This is the true underlying reason even beyond the anti-White agenda of the Left.Because Leftists themselves don't even fully understand why they hate Whites.
In letter to the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, Cortés wrote:"We had more trouble in preventing our allies from killing with such cruelty than we had in fighting the enemy. For no race, however savage, has ever practiced such fierce and unnatural cruelty as the natives of these parts. Our allies also took many spoils that day, which we were unable to prevent, as they numbered more than 150,000 and we Spaniards only some nine hundred. Neither our precautions nor our warnings could stop their looting, though we did all we could..."Natives were the real enemies all along
NO NO NOYou have Cuicuilco they got action and drama and a cool temple. The volcano Xitle makes of a great drama without a Spanish rapist theme. Just ancient mexicans getting rug pulled my nature.
>>224106709>The story is kino af. Post it then.
>>224124630>Also, historical epics aren't really in vogue right nowDidn't Odyssey make a gorillion bucks?
>>224106709Who needs that when youtube exists
>>224133489NTA but it also seems to have had no cultural impact at all. It hit, flashed in the pan, and that's pretty much it, everybody forgot about it a month or two later. I'd say that's a decent metric to judge how engaged the average person was with it - which is to say, not much at all since they forgot about it shortly after it released.
>>224133504I dunno, I've felt that way about a lot of movies that make big bucks and I'm not sure if it isn't just the algorithms hiding whatever lasting impacts those movies have. It's like the Avatar movies. They seem to just come and go to me, but probably somewhere on tiktok or some shit there's a bunch of normies or jeets still jerking off to cat aliens
>>224106709Because while all this was going on those same Spaniards were being totally mogged by Drake.You can't really portray your protagonists as strong when they get their entire navel fleet's collective arse completely handed to them every single time by an English man in one tiny boat. Drake was so cocky he even lit broken down old boats, usually ones that he had captured from the Spanish themselves to rub salt in the wound, and sent them back into the Spanish fleet destroying even more.The Spanish would be a laughing stock on their own TV show, which makes the Aztecs just look even more pathetic in comparison. Seeing as, if the American media is to be belived, Latrinos make up the majority of the Yankee-doodle-dandy population that's not going to play well with getting funding from the only country that would fund a high effort big budget series about the fall of the Aztec Empire.
>>224133504>no cultural impact at allYeah, I know right? Where are the action figures, children's toys, Haply Meals and lego sets for the R/15 certificate film?I don't expect anyone who has never seen the film has even heard of this "Odysseus" character.
>>224127410>The True History of the Conquest of New Spain) is a first-person narrative written in 1568[1] by military adventurer, conquistador, and colonist settler Bernal Díaz del Castillo (1492–1584)From Wikipedia, but kino book. I recommend the revised version since the original focus too much in logistics (which was what the conquistador writing it worked on, only interesting to historians).
>>224106709Spaniards are too ashamed and cucked over their history to make an epic show about it
>>224106724You arent white
>>224106821Just like there's no difference between China and Japan right?
>>224106709>WhyButhurt Mexicans, that's why.
>>224133809Should they make a series about Drake too?
>>224133809Didn't he die like bitch in Puerto Rico or whatever?
>>224134933Vast majority of White Americans are unmixed, cry paco
>>224135736Seems like whites don't wanna find out what they actually did
>>224111486it's pretty quick actually. It's a simple easy to read narrative on top of not being that long
>>224108793can you link to more info about it? "Conquest" is a generic term so I can't tell what is the right series
>>224125950t. opposite nigga
>>224109284>>224109260kiss
>>224135874>White Americans lollmao
>>224125468Good post. Alternate history America where the Aztecs weren’t wiped out would be interesting. I bet this would’ve pushed the First Nations to officially confederate. America’s constitution was actually heavily influenced by existing laws between First Nations so I’d think a Constitution would still happen. But the founding fathers would all be First Nations. You’d have Mohawk, Cree, Dene, Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux, Blackfoot, Choctaw, Apache, Iroquois, Algonquin, Kootenay, Onondoga, Assiniboine, Inuit. I wonder if the French integrationists (that would’ve led to the Métis) would’ve been successful. Perhaps Quebec/Montreal might still exist but smaller, and the English colonists’ war with the Indians would’ve gone on for longer and would’ve had a tougher time. Maybe they’d only have the east coast up to Newfoundland and down to New York/Maine. Africa would’ve been less ravaged by slavery since the importation of Africans to American crop farms would not have been as prevalent, so perhaps it would’ve grown more economically powerful, maybe even had a war with Europe which could’ve lead to more Asian/Russian influence and incursions. Perhaps Eurasia as a political entity would’ve actually become a thing.
Our time of White male appreciation will rise again eventually. They will acknowledge that everything they have is because if White men or perish.
>>224106709Because it's imperialist o algo
>>224116821Nice urban sprawl
>>224108963No
>>224120620i jerked to this
>>224134137ty anon, I'll be reading that and the other book rec itt
Assassins Creed Jaguar when?
>>224137733And maybe instead of the Vietnam War in the 1970s we would’ve had Eurasia vs South America where Argentina gets nuked and anime gets produced by South America.
>>224126872>XochiquetzalJust like that actress
>>224137815Jesus you people really can't enjoy ANYTHING
>>224139822Never. The Spanish were the good guys. Make an Assassin's Creed: Conquistador game where you walk around and kill aztec demonic shamans
>>224127484Los conquistadores españoles realmente eran los buenos de la historia. Solo un sudaca progre indigenista o un gringordo "woke" cree que los nativos de las Américas eran hippies amantes de la paz que vivían en perfecta unión con la naturaleza.
>>224116895I love how the second one from the right on the bottom just looks like any random latino guy on the street today
>>224141264The truth is ancient South Americans were Chinese
>>224141321>The Guangxi Massacre (simplified Chinese: 广西大屠杀; traditional Chinese: 廣西大屠殺; pinyin: Guǎngxī dàtúshā) comprised a series of lynchings and massacres in the Chinese province of Guangxi between 1967 and 1968, during the Cultural Revolution (1966–1976).[2][1][3][4][5][6] The official record from the 1983 investigation documents 89,810 abnormal deaths and concluded that the total death toll exceeded 100,000 when accounting for undocumented cases and missing persons.[7] Methods of murder included beheading, beating, live burial, stoning, drowning, boiling, and disembowelling.[1][8]Native Americans, and all the Mexicans that are mostly that, came from Asia at the end of the last ice age 12k years ago, we all know it.
>>224141321>>224141587mestizos (spanish + native blood) can sometimes look somewhat asian due to the strong mongoloid genesin spic countries "chino" (chinese) is a nickname for someone who looks asian. see Chino Moreno
>>224140241They could easily do both sides of the story just like AC3 or AC Shadows
>>224125950>blood sacrificies are LE GOODlet me guess, you're jewish
>>224142057It’s just capital punishment with a bit of flair, relax.
>>224142057>blood sacrificies are LE GOOD'Yes'
>>224106773The Aztecs are some of the most evil people ever to exist
>>224106762based
Anyone have the meme of Brits killing people while the conquistadors were fucking the native
>>224143738
>>224106724this but unironically
>>224106709how much rape would it have?
>>224135758The Spaniels couldn't kill him despite their best efforts he just laughed them off, in the end it was only the flux that could end Drake.He was buried in line with his wishes, in a lead lined coffin made of "liberated" Spanish gold and placed at the bottom of the Caribbean Sea. The coffin is thought to be complete with a gold death ethergy similar to that of Queen Elizabeth the first's tomb in Westminster Abbey or King Tut's.It is highly likely he faked his death though as the coffin has never been recovered and the Royal Navy mysteriously banned Giles Brandreth from recovering it. He may indeed be alive to this day, like King Arthur, waiting for a time when Britain truly needs him once again.
>>224143738no, but it's always posted on brazil threads on /pol/, can probably find it there>>224123518The accounts I've read say yes, they shaved their cunts. The problem is that the source (we had to read it in uni, I forget the author) exaggerated it, saying that they had come upon native girls by a river who were completed shaved and "put our women's appearance to shame", were teasing the conquistadors and daring them to come closer but their mothers would angrily pull them back or yell at them to come back. The adventure stories of spanish/portuguese were extremely popular back home, so they sometimes were basically literotica/pornographic. Not necessarily reliable. It may have been the same source as the "you would have thought she had been brought up in a school for whores" quote, I don't remember.
>>224145253The other reason for exaggerations is that England and France were jealous of Spain's wealth (and Navy), so they repeated the more bloodthirsty parts of adventure narratives, leading to the "Black Legend" (I.e., "spain bad") in Europe. Conquistadors and explorers would lie about possible wealth to be given more men and ships, etc. No reason not to lie, who's gonna verify it? If the government sends men after you chances are they'll join in the plunder with you instead of make the arrest.
>>224145317What is this bodytype called???
>>224106762We don’t know enough about them to even string up a story.
>>224108179maybe if the heathens could read and write, they'd leave behind their own historical account to contradict opposing claims
>>224145364Kuruminha
>>224127484True, people seem to have this strange idea that only Americans treats/treated Natives badly despite the fact that racism against injuns is widespread in Latin countries.
Why did they burn their own boats?
>>224145978It's because of the availability heuristic, a bias which incorrectly attributes a result based on the most widely circulated evidence rather than the preponderance of evidence. Recency bias and motivated reasoning also play a part.
Mel Gibson should direct it.
>>224116821where can i read more about this
>>224111546sell me on it
>>224145493they did, most missionaries went out of their way to destroy as many as they could find. There were monks who tried to save as much as they could but even those got scattered across Europe. Maya in particular took forever to translate because of how few examples of their writing got properly preserved with enough context to even form basic grammar. There's actually a really interesting documentary bout the process if your into that stuff called "breaking the Maya Code", even if you aren't super into linguistics its a great story.
>>224123200>AI>perfection
>>224106709If they told the truth they would show the Spanish doing a lot of underhanded shit, and you'd just complain it has a "church bad" message. They told Montezuma they wanted to meet with him, so they could get all the important men in one place, then secretly positioned cannons all around the courtyard and ambushed the Aztecs and massacred them like fish in a barrel. And they did it for gold btw.
>>224135758If dying of dysentery makes you a bitch then 90% of all soldiers in history were bitches.
>>224137733>I bet this would’ve pushed the First Nations to officially confederate.This is about as likely as all of 1700s Europe uniting.
>>224106724This is really the only way anyone could take the movie seriously, including the most ardent racists. You can't make the Aztecs the bad guys without undermining the technologically superior Whites.
>>224127371bronze age armor is kino, fuck nolan for not using it
>>224145086Oops
>>224108963Battle of Camaron that made the FFL develop their badass reputation. Also had one of the last bayonet charges in modern history. The wooden prostetic hand of the commander of the battle is the Legions most valueable relic and they parade it on their anniversary every year.
>>224145980See>>224114156
>>224111123>Aztecs are kangs in MX and sacrifice tens of thousands of people from smaller tribes>Cortez lands in South America>Is actually on the run from the law because his expedition was not sanctioned>burns his ships to force his men knto pushing forward instead of mutineering fucking off>Savages think ships and white men jn shiny clothes with thunder tubes that shoot quick stones are gods and kneel>Eventually enough smaller tribes band together around the few dozen Spaniards to raid the Aztec city>turns out Aztecs can only cut out heartsbut not really do much warfare>Cortez eventually kidnaps King and subjugates the empire>Cortez gets pardoned and set free to wreak more havoc instead of being hanged in SpainThere's tons of smaller shit I've skipped but this is the skinny. Most battles and skirmishes were absolutely kino and deserve a thread of their own, whag these guys accomplished was absolutely nuts given they were basically stranded on a different planet. I absoluetly suggest you read up on it, if only on Wikipedia.
>>224149590Cortez was literally a criminal on the run from the law, he due to be hanged up on his capture and return to Spain. Painting him as the bad guy would be historically accurate
>>224151968The natives on the coast were already aware of Spaniards, they didn't think ue Spanish were gods. There was even a Spaniard gone native who met with Cortez and refused to rejoin the Spanish forces
>>224108264>TLDR "new world" humans were just as smart was EuropeansI don't think that's true. They would have found a way to use their agricultural surplus to utilize metals, and develop those metals further. It's not to say that one needs the intelligence of Europeans to achieve a complex or urban society. But Europeans made improvements to that in metals for instance in prehistory without any of the urban scale or agricultural surplus of the Aztecs, because they were smarter. That's same reason why the oldest wheels come from there.
>>224116871>Pastry warHopefully sanity prevailed and cinnamon rolls were the victor.
>>224108896Nigga they made him use the LOTR sword because the budget was so small.
>>224108963The Mexican American War, of course, starring the heroes of human history.
>>224149637You rang?
>>224151968>>Aztecs are kangs in MX and sacrifice tens of thousands of people from smaller tribesit was a few dozen a year>>Cortez lands in South AmericaMexico is in North America>>Is actually on the run from the law because his expedition was not sanctionedtrue>>burns his ships to force his men knto pushing forward instead of mutineering fucking offThat happened after the war>>Savages think ships and white men jn shiny clothes with thunder tubes that shoot quick stones are gods and kneelCortez arrived in America 20 years after Columbus. Spaniards have been making their presence knows in the Caribbeans in the meantime, the natives surely knew about them and knew they were men, not gods. They were quite confused when they saw cavalry tho.>>Eventually enough smaller tribes band together around the few dozen Spaniards to raid the Aztec cityCity-states, not tribes. Mexico was conquered by 80k Tlaxcalteca and their 1000 or so Spanish allies.>>turns out Aztecs can only cut out heartsbut not really do much warfareThe siege of Tenochtitlan lasted almost 3 months>>Cortez eventually kidnaps King and subjugates the empiretrue>>Cortez gets pardoned and set free to wreak more havoc instead of being hanged in Spaintrue
>learn the actual history of spaniards in the new world>immediately lose any pity for the nativesthey were cunts just like the rest of us
>>224153313How do? I never human sacrificed anyone.
>>224152202technology isn't like a paradox game where you just invest points and find new things. prior to the scientific method, discoveries happened at essentially random times. consider that humans were anatomically modern for ~50,000 - 100,000 years before we figured out agriculture. >But Europeans made improvements to that in metals for instance in prehistory without any of the urban scale or agricultural surplusThis is also just wrong, the bronze age was an era of sophisticated civilizations and trade networks. You NEED trade to create bronze in most places because tin doesn't occur everywhere. Prior to that it was copper, just like in the Americas.The Tlingit also did manage to work meteoric and shipwrecked iron in the pacific northwest.
>>224116821>all this and they were beaten by 400 Spanish fellas
>>224154440Pretty sure they had like 200k native allies as well, mostly Tlaxcalans.
>>224130113From the novel Nova Express - sort of a surrealist passage, basically saying that government companies and individuals who attempt to employ the natural ayahuasca drug that was likely originally used by the creators of the Central American religions to visualize the cosmos and its gids (and synthesizing forms of that drug as LSD), was a major fucking mistake that has destroyed some large portion of the countries minds and also created an uncontrollable apparatus of human manipulation and destruction within our forces of power
>>224154304The lack of horses and other reliable beasts if burden was also a huge technological bottleneck "the wheel and cart were just not really a thing there". The fact that many new world cultures were just as knowledgeable if not more so in things like agriculture, medicine, astronomy, construction, and civic engineering clearly show that they were just as smart as any of the contemporary old world cultures. Their extreme geographic isolation from most of the planet just caused them to develop in a completely different direction culturally and technologicaly. The isolation also caused first contact to start a near extinction level plague that they had 0 defense for that nobody on either side could have known about or prepared for. One of the reasons the colonization of North America was met with so little initial resistance was simply that most of the large population centers were completely wiped out by disease and only smaller less connected tribes were able survive, leaving enormous amounts of what seemed like virgin territory.
>>224125950yes, the aztecs were so good that all their neighbors immediately agreed to help to foreign invaders kill them all
>>224133353yeah all the new world scenes in this were great, sometimes I'll just rewatch the opening scene because of how cool it was
>>224116821interesting post
>>224106709>The story is kino af.That's all of history but to answer your question>Hollywood is made by retards with no artistic sense>historical movies are very hard to makeThe only good ones I can think of right now is Ghandy by Attenborough and Benedetta and Black Book by Voerhoven.There are quite a lot of historical shows about the age of discovery and they look like shit.
>>224155720You know what would be fucking awesome historical fiction? A series about the Aboriginals who first set foot and tried to survive in Australia. If the average person thinks that modern Australian wildlife is scary the should look up the kind of mega fauna that was wandering around bush 50000+ years ago.
>>224155822Are boomerangs actually used there or is it just a novelty?
>>224106709>>portray asspaniards as traitors, smelly, hypocritical, manipulative, and pieces of shit who deserve to dieI'd like to see that, but I don't think anyone can fully grasp the level of shit that asspaniards are>>224106724>Piece of shit who thinks asspaniards are good and has never even touched a book thinks asspaniards were good.Hahahaha, you should do the world a favor and kill yourself.
>>224154857> immediately agreed to help to foreign invaders LMAO! there were uprisings among the native allies themselves against the alliance, but the natives used religion to manipulate them, you'd know that if you stuck your head out of your ass.
>>224154304>This is also just wrong, the bronze age was an era of sophisticated civilizations and trade networksThe region that created tin bronze was not a sophisticated civilization. It was a rural Bell Beaker island we now call Britain. Before that was scaled your advanced civilizations were satisfied in letting their smiths get cancer and other diseases from arsenic exposure. It barely crossed the English channel for four centuries before it was progressively adopted throughout Europe, only being fully adopted as we neared the late bronze age. >The Tlingit also did manage to work meteoric and shipwrecked iron in the pacific northwestAnon, natives had copper industries at points in the Americas well before that. And despite having complex trade networks, highly populated cities and trade they NEEDED between them, they never pushed their constraints, or moved past ornamental stages of production. Europeans did that, as did the Chinese and others. This while copper and tin deposits had been rich in what became Latin America the entire time. A whole world of a harder, stronger, infinitely recyclable metal was under their feet the whole time. Intelligence was absolutely a factor. Despite their advantages they didn't develop these things. Some had done some incredible things but they were not as intelligent as Europeans.
>>224145317Nigresses owe me sex
>>224156951
How are modern Mexicans the descendants of the conquistadors and the Aztecs if they killed each other?
>>224106709The story is also insanely good for adaptation. It involves very few people, Cortes army was ~500 Spaniards, you could reduce that to a small handfull of characters in the movie (or Tv-series). You could also faithfully have a diverse cast, some of the main people in Cortes' entourage where natives e.g. they had a translater, essentially a whore that had been traded around amongst various tribes. So she spoke all native languages, then became a whore for the Spaniards, and worked as a translator throughout the entire conquest (She actually ended up moving to Spain and became a Duchess, kind of crazy life).The setting is also nice, traveling through a Jungle, you will naturally only have a few people in the background, like you wouldn't need to CGI anything other than the cities and open field battles.The entire story revolves around dramas, not battles but actual conversational exchanges.You could easily do a 6 part mini-series on it, just adapt it as faithful as possible and it would be kino (and probably not that offensive/controversial).
>>224157677>they had a translater, essentially a whore that had been traded around amongst various tribes. So she spoke all native languages, then became a whore for the Spaniards, and worked as a translator throughout the entire conquest (She actually ended up moving to Spain and became a Duchess, kind of crazy life).I'm amazed the feminists haven't made a tv series or movie about her.
>>224106709This thread is still up?>>224157368The Spaniards k*lled the men, and r*ped the women.
>>224157936How do you know it was rape
>>224158026Sorry to burst your lusty conquistador fantasy, but: age gaps and power imbalances. They couldn't consent if their lovers, fathers, uncles, brothers, cousins were killed by the Spaniards and they were coerced into it.
>>224125950I'm pretty sure that from every objective standpoint from every other native tribe, the Aztecs were their Nazi Germany
>>224129415Breast appreciation is a Eurasian genetic trait
>>224106709wtf, how long is his sword?
>>224131828>2d cgi>3d reconstruction
>>224160036Claymore maybe
>>224145399We know they wuz brothas
>>224160036he's an avid fan of berserk
>>224150924So basically the Spanish had all but one of their ships destroyed by the plucky English and the Iberian cope is so high they have to include the plague that hit the English ships AFTER the conflict, and the fire ships (small dinghy and dilapidated old wrecks that they set alight and filled with explosives and sent into the Spanish lines) in the figures to make it look less one sided.Imagine if the Germans has tried to claim they won world war 1 by saying the Allies had more people die of Spanish flu and had used more bullets and better tacktics on them. This is the same as that.
>>224111990I literally have had browns back off on having a go at me over English people being evil and shit once they knew I'm of entirely Welsh descent (but have a fairly neutral English accent).Fuck, last week on Halloween a libshit kurdish girl (who was droning on to her friend about how the AfD are Nazis) told me I don't really count as white because Welsh so that means I'm okay in her books lmao.It's pure brainrot. Real English people with some pride and historical knowledge must have fatigue on another level
>>224161752Make no mistake, the English are evil
>>224161797The primary reason for them starting the industry revolution was that they were so autistic from being weird island people that they literally invented the train. If it wasn't them it would have been the Japanese but they never had the raw materials like enough decent iron. All the technical and scientific knowledge was there but there wasn't the enormous mining industry that Briton had. Historical fiction is an extremely underrated genere, the problem is it's expensive to do well and it's a bitch to sell without some kind of contemporary subversive culture war nonsense instead of telling a story about people and/or the period they lived in.
>>224161797Seethe harder turdworlder
>>224106724/thread
>>224161752They don't like us but leave everything and people like themselves to live in our countries. Curious. That kurd foid did not view you as any different anon. The most rabid libtard brown women are the biggest white peen fiends. Ruthless even.
