Anytime people talk about this movie the actual story and themes get sidelined by retards who just spout about how "(((THEY))) KILLED KUBRICK FOR REVEALING LE TRUTH AND THEN REMOVED LE 18 MINUTES OF FOOTAGE!!!!" It's so fucking insufferable. Can we have an actual discussion about this great movie?
But they removed 18 minutes of footage. Why does this make you mad?
>>224110954Every film has deleted scenes
>>224110932it's pretty comfy despite the swinger sex cult and has some of tom's best hair styles
>>224110967Some deleted scenes are more important than others
>>224110932I don’t care about what she looks like now.Nicole will always be my mommyfu.
>>224110932Every conspiracy theory about this movie is a retarded larp. There is no actual credible evidence for the deleted footage being about exposing pedo rings. Even the Nicole Kidman quote about it is fabricated.Why the fuck would Warner Bros greenlight the script and then be like “whoops, guess we have to kill you now, Stanley!” Conspiracy theories used to be cool and interesting before zoomers and TickTock made them mainstream and accessible to retarded basic bitch normies.Eyes Wise Shut is about an upper class New York doctor realizing that there’s a whole class of people way above him that he cannot even hope to be a part of. And Stanley Kubrick was just a fat old man who died of a heart attack. Simple as.
>>224110932No one ever mentions that it's an adaptation of a book from the 20s and a pretty faithful onehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Story
>>224111142Never knew this, might have to check this out.
>>224111142People reference that all the time. wtf are you talking about?
>>224111198No they don't. I've posted it before and it's been ignored
>>224110932seems like a lot of trouble. tom couldve had just about any woman in that movie but he was weirdly draw to todd fields shady piano show.
>>224110932more like eyes wide SHIT amirite
>>224111101>Eyes Wise Shut is about an upper class New York doctor realizing that there’s a whole class of people way above him that he cannot even hope to be a part ofYou're missing the whole part about sex. The doctor doesn't think about sex in situations that could turn most people on. Looking at a patients tits, it's just a job for him. His wife admits to having thought about cheating on him, so he explores these ideas. He finds how easy it would be to cheat on his wife, but he doesn't want to.
>>224110932White doctor discovers untouchable Jews rule his society and sexually enslave his race's women, and kill them if necessary. Scene with Pollack is the key. And most audiences will look for meaning elsewhere instead of the actual image of a Jewish actor telling a White one that his people don't run shit. The person with his eyes wide shut is not only Cruise, but the audience.
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>>224111101>Eyes Wise Shut is about an upper class New York doctor realizing that there’s a whole class of people way above him that he cannot even hope to be a part of. And Stanley Kubrick was just a fat old man who died of a heart attack. Simple as.Based. Correct.
>>224110932I found it odd that Keitel couldn't take the whole 100-take Kubric method. Everyone on the crew has to work long hours, why not the actors? He seems like a blue-collar guy who would accept that
>>224110932movie was mid at best, also embarrassingly obvious it was filmed in england and not new york city, all the interiors and exteriors were off
>>224111284Still going on about the jooooz. How did the omnipotent jews fall to secure the election, sweaty?stfu and go suck on nick's micro cock.
>>224110932Kubrick used his magnum opus to give Light to mankind. Like the Nazarene, he opened the eyes of the blind.
>>224111368I think Kubrick secretly preferred English people to Americans-he filmed everything there and half his people and actors were from the UK
>>224111341No, Kubrick had gone insane at this point. He made Keitel do take after take of a shot of him opening a door. How much differently is he going to do it in take 5 vs take 50? Or take 100? How much "acting" goes into opening a door? Keitel was fully justified to quit. Kubrick wasn't looking for art or anything special in the shot. He was just being an asshole. Yes, Kubrick was a genius, but you can be both an asshole and a genius.
>>224111268> You're missing the whole part about sex. The doctor doesn't think about sex in situations that could turn most people on. Looking at a patients tits, it's just a job for him. His wife admits to having thought about cheating on him, so he explores these ideas. He finds how easy it would be to cheat on his wife, but he doesn't want to.Yeah, which plays into the whole class theme. Sex is a way by which different classes are differentiated. It’s very middle class/upper middle class to marry and be monogamous, like Tom Cruise’s character. The elite class is full of degenerates who fuck around like psychopaths, which Tom Cruise is of course not able to do. And the lower class is full of degenerates, but out of financial necessity, like prostitutes.
>>224110932the rumors during the making of this was fucking wildhttps://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1xdtjp/the_wild_speculations_and_rumors_over_eyes_wide/
>>224111448Wow imagine unironically posting a link to Reddit holy shit
>>224111101>Every conspiracy theory about this movie is a retarded larp. There is no actual credible evidence for the deleted footage being about exposing pedo rings. Even the Nicole Kidman quote about it is fabricated.I agree. There also has been zero evidence that they cut 19-20 min. While it's true that Kube would personally edit the final cut up until the 11th hour—and so the final version would've probably been different—there is still no proof content was cut.
EWS is largely about jealousy and relationship dynamics, so obviously most of the fa/tv/irgins on this board who have never held a woman's hand other than their mother's are going to fail to understand and thus resort to the conspiracy stuff.
>>224110932I still haven't seen this because I want to watch it at Christmas when it's cold but I always forget and am too busy.
>>224111601You should. I watch it every Christmas Eve. It's very cozy.
>>224110932Maybe I'm missing something and need to rewatch but I kept hoping he'd either get himself killed for snooping around too much or expose the secret society or something, that would've been so much more interesting but he just goes ok I'll stop being curious and reconnect with my wife and it just. ends. it could've been so much more juicy...there could've been cannibalism or something actually taboo but it's just rich people having sex. and they kill the prostitute and the pianist? For what? That extreme reaction from the secret society just made me think there would be an even bigger reveal at the end that they were eating and killing babies or something. Also why does the movie treat Nicole KIdman's sex dreams as if they were real cheating that justified Tom Cruise's SEVERAL attempts to cheat on his wife...like it doesn't say it outright but it's obviously implied we're supposed to empathize with him and think his wife is being irrational/acting crazy when she questions him in the scene when they get stoned, and then in the end she forgives him and basically says she can overlook his attempts to cheat on her in real life if he can overlook her literally unreal fictional dreams of sex with other people and this is treated like it's fair? Huh
>>224111473take it easy
>let your wife smoke weed once>she tells you an erotic fantasy about cheating on you and giving up her life to get dicked down by some nobody >obviously leaves you upset and pondering what she says>go out and attempt to clear your head>get called a faggot>try to sleep with an underage prostitute but can't follow through >stumble upon a cabal of sex trafficking cult weirdos>They fuck with you for fun>your buddy tells you to keep your mouth shut or get killed>finally get home and unravel after the experience of learning how inconsequential you are and how much goes on right underneath your noseIt's a great film, I don't get the obsession with the sex cult stuff. It seems pretty tame by today's standards.
>>224110954Not according to Kubrick's daughter: https://x.com/ViKu1111/status/2094586846856577219
Was this episode an Eyes Wide Shut reference?
>>224111779True, Kubrick was many things, but using deep symbolism and having an eye for detail weren't really his strong suit. More of a shoot from the hip kind of guy.
>>224111779Moral of the story is stick to cocaine
>>224110932>Stop conspiracying! Ahhhh!>The Elites don't have ritualistic sex parties! Ahhhh!>Don't talk about the Jews! Ahhhh! >Epstein? Who's that? Ahhhh!
>>224111904GB2/pol/
>>224111407It's weird to me that Kubrick was a perfectionist madman and Peter Sellers was a lunatic who was known for being difficult and ruining everything but...they got on just fine. In fact Stanley Kubrick thought really highly of him and only made him do a couple of takes and even let him improv a lot
>>224112137He let R. Lee Ermey improve most of his scenes.
>>224111779All for her to be smug about it and act like she's the better person for not actually following through on her desire.
>>224111101>Eyes Wise Shut is about an upper class New York doctor realizing that there’s a whole class of people way above him that he cannot even hope to be a part of...who kill a woman and pretend she's OD'd. This post could have been written by Victor Ziegler. Who's name itself means "masons have won"It's true that the deleted footage and kidman quote are unsubstantiated. It's also true that Kidman's father herself was one such pedo, so she needn't be told by Kubrick in the first place.The movie was also Kubrick taking revenge on Scientology. He lost one of his daughters to scientology, who broke contact with him. And then he took the 2nd biggest guy in Scientology, Cruise, and subtly exposed his homosexuality.Because the guys running into him and calling him a fudgepacker wasn't in the book.>>224111142Kubrick often communicates his ideas by where he deviates from the book. One of the biggest changes is this new scene with Victor Ziegler. You can't understand what Kubrick was saying in this movie without examining this scene closely.Ziegler is trying to tell Bill Harford (name meaning: Money Harrison Ford, or an average man with money) that he should accept the story as presented and to not see any deeper layer, despite some facts not lining up with the superficial story. Pretty sad that this place has people asking you to keep your eyes wide shut for a movie like this.
>>224111372By overextending themselves.
>>224112329Kek
>>224110954No they didn't. Reddit rumors are not proof.
>>224112324>Ziegler is trying to tell Bill Harford (name meaning: Money Harrison Ford, or an average man with money)
>>224112324>Low iq retarded faggotAccuse me of being Ziegler again, faggot. I’m not saying this movie doesn’t reference illuminati/free mason conspiracy theories. I’m saying the specific conspiracy theories surrounding this movie, like the deleted pedo ring footage or the studio having Stanley Kubrick killed, are retarded normie-tier Reddit conspiracy theories.
>>224111701Eyes wide shut.There's Millich who's prostituting his daughter to the japanese men. The daughter whispers to Bill Harford that he should get a cloak lined with Ermine. Historically that is something that only european aristocracy was allowed to wear with dress codes. That also means she's been to one of those parties.Your post reminds me of the leaked e-mails of Steve Bannon when he was trying to rehabilitate Jeffrey Epstein after his first court case. He wanted to focus on him being a bit of playboy, that to acknowledge being somewhat bad, but also emphasizing his intelligence would be the PR way of getting him out of it.You don't need 13 or 18 or 21 minutes of cut footage. The pedophilia is right there and it's connected to the after hours upper class party.
>>224112137>>224112203Kubrick wasn't always like that. He didn't always have the time and budget to do take after take. Though, he wasn't a perfectionist either. It was him pushing actors. The Shining is notorious for the mass amount of takes because the scenes in question were easy to shoot and low budget. So he'd spend all day doing two lines of dialogue.Kubrick liked the "imperfect" way Ermey did his dialogue at times. Cause it seemed real. He stutters and spits over certain words. Those takes are used on purpose. Thing is, guy was a drill instructor, he's not even acting, he's just showing people what he did at work. Kubrick did exhaust his actors on Full Metal at times though, but not the expensive scenes, or out door ones with limited correct sun light.It took them over a year to make Eyes Wide Shut. The movie is really simple. It's simplicity allowed him to make people do the same things over and over. If you watch Full Metal Jacket and some of the set pieces and sequences in that, you can see Kubrick couldn't have those scenes repeated for weeks on end. It would cost too much. His method on Eyes Wide Shut was just some weird trolling or OCD or something else was up with the dude. It was insane. It's not a movie that needed that long of a shoot. How you going to review 100 takes of a door opening and determine which one is the most "in character" for someone if they're all nearly identical?
>>224111701In regards to the relationship between Harford and his wife Alice, he finds her sleeping and wakes her. She says she had a nightmare where they were naked and isolated, and then he left her and everything was wonderful. And the Naval officer saw her and he just laughed at her. However it's also at odds with how he finds her, laughing hysterically in her sleep.In the book she dreams about him being crucified, btw.
Am I the only one who wanted the mansion scene to last longer, and for him to join the cult? It's beautiful. The mystique, the symbolism, the elaborate ritual. The music slowly building to a crescendo. I want to be in it, and the film let me experience it through Dr. Harford, but I want more.
>>224112535You can tell Kubrick loved Lynch
>>224111779moral of the story is to stay in your lane
>>224112350Yeah, Kubrick has said that he chose the name Harford as a substitute for Harrison Ford, who he considered an actor who portrayed the everyman.The first thing Bill does in the movie is look for his wallet. He doesn't know where it is. His wife does. He solves almost every obstacle with having money/being a doctor. There's also a scene of Alice teaching their daughter a math problem. And the math problem is finding out which man has more money.
>>224112535That's the point. It isn't hufflepuff. You can't just get in because you want in.
>>224110932when you hear or see someone say 'kubrick was killed' you know you've got a retard on your hands
>>224112535you've never sat through a catholic service have you
>>224112558>NO HAY BANDA>There is no band.>IL N'EST PAS DE ORQUESTRA!>This is all...a tape recording.
>>224111701She gets irrationally angry at the fact that he feels secure in their relationship and sets about ruining his peace of mind. And the whole thing starts, not because of a dream, but because she desperately wants to cheat on her husband and run away with a stranger. She explicitly says that if the guy had just asked, she would’ve fucked his brains out and never come back. That’s not as bad as actual cheating, but it’s close.
>>224112591And how do we know he isn't already in? From the very beginning? Because he's scared? Because the people he meets, the officers, act like they weren't expecting him? >Bill, suppose I told you that... that everything that happened to you there... the threats, the- the girl's warnings, her last minute intervention, suppose I said that all of that... was staged. That it was a kind of charade. That it was fake.
>>224112415Ziegler, you're taking two false/unproven conspiracy theories (missing footage, quote to Kidman) and then saying:>>224111101>Every conspiracy theory about this movie is a retarded larpSo yes, you're freemason, or their patsy or a shabbos shill.>Why the fuck would Warner Bros greenlight the script and then be like “whoops, guess we have to kill you now, Stanley!”Yeah, they thought he was making a film adaptation of Traumnovella. They didn't know he was tying in freemasons, british royalty, (Ziegler, Nuala windsor).It's not that I think 100% he was killed, but I don't think the idea is completely farfetched either. Kubrick was famously secretive in how he did things and a screenplay and it's actual filming is still a big leap in what something actually says.Look at the screenplay and try to find all the occult symbolism for example. It's not in the screenplay, but it's on the screen.I'll stop calling you Ziegler when you admit that it's possible that he was murdered.
>>224112572Well that's just stupid. How is the audience supposed to know that Harrison Ford(half Jewish btw) is what Kubrick considers an everyman? He isn't really an everyman type actor either
>>224112837Nta but yeah of course there's a possibility he was murdered. It's just very unlikely and there's no evidence for it. A 70 year old dying in his bed of a heart attack is not a suspicious death. And wouldn't they kill him before the film came out? To stop it coming out?
>>224112837Bro you’re such a fool with low reading comprehension. I fully understand that the movie references free masons and occult conspiracy theories/symbolism. I’m talking about the conspiracy theories surrounding the actual movie, like outside the movie in the real world, like the deleted footage and Stanley Kubrick’s death. These conspiracy theories are Reddit-tier and retarded. The movie’s production has been totally mythologized.
>>224112781Because he needs a chance encounter with a friend to even get the password, doesn't already have the clothes to attend, and doesn't understand that people who go to the party beyond the rainbow don't show up by taxi, but by chauffeured car.>That it was fake.You can tell that Bill knows that's a lie. But he can't do anything about it. Like the note he received outside the gate. Like we all know that there are many more pedophiles in the full epstein files that weren't brought to justice.And when a senator like Massie tries to move it forward, they just throw down 37 million to make a point and get him out.We all know this shit goes on, we know we're basicly cattle. Why deny it?
>>224112886>Nta but yeah of course there's a possibility he was murdered. It's just very unlikely and there's no evidence for it. A 70 year old dying in his bed of a heart attack is not a suspicious death. And wouldn't they kill him before the film came out? To stop it coming out?Agreed. Exactly what I’ve been trying to say.
>>224112846Fair criticism of Kubrick.>>224112886They did kill him before the film came out. It had only had one testscreening with 5 people present. It was also a film with the two highest rated actors at the time. Not bringing it out would have had its own risks.>>224112918We wouldn't have had this conflict if you didn't write >Every conspiracy theory about this movie is a retarded larpand >Simple as.You might as well have made that spitting noise that Ziegler makes when he says >There was nothing suspicious, her door was locked from the inside and the police are happy, end of the story. Pffft
>>224112996>We wouldn't have had this conflict if you didn't write>>Every conspiracy theory about this movie is a retarded larp>and>>Simple as.Bro because every conspiracy theory ABOUT the movie (aka surrounding the movie, outside the movie) IS a retarded larp. Same overlap with the trashy true crime podcasts that women watch.
>>224112886>>224112939It didn't help that the same person Larry Celona that reported the death of the woman who clearly didn't just die of overdose, was the one to report Stanley Kubrick's death.
>>224113083Ok, Ziegler.
>>224112925A chance encounter? Or a scripted one where every single conversation is a part of a wider investigation into his character by a powerful group that he has prior knowledge of and wants in on through Ziegler?
>>224113117Wait is this real or ai? If this is true, and it’s the same name, I’m willing to concede that he could have been killed.
>>224113083>nobody killed anybody>somebody died, it happens all the time>life goes on>until it doesn't>he he
>>224110932But why did (((they))) killed him tho?
>>224113155Article is still up.https://nypost.com/1999/03/09/kubrick-happy-joking-just-before-death/Also the first to report Epstein suicide:https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/convicted-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-dead/
>>224113128>>224113156I honestly think you’re too close to this topic and not seeing it from a fresh perspective. Schizophrenia, psychosis, and obsession does this to people. There’s a movie called Zodiac that’s about this.And again, I’m well aware of the symbolism and references in the actual movie.
>>224113196Ok that’s fucking weird. I’m the main anon you’ve been arguing with. But I’ll totally concede that he could have been killed if that screenshot is unedited from the movie.
>>224113188Why did Daphne Caruana Galizia die to a car bomb?Why did Charlie Kirk get shot and have his head stored in cryostorage?Why did Andrew Breitbart die suddenly and then his coronor 2 weeks later due to arsenic poisoning?They don't like to have their schemes and methods exposed.
Why is nikole kidman's ass so flat?
>>224113238That's cool man, I could tell you were smart, I just didn't know if you were intentionally obfuscating knowing this already, or if you were as you now say you are. I'll no longer call you Ziegler, you're the right sort, good for you and thank you for the act of courage of admitting there could be more to it.
Nice effort to actually discuss the movie but it appears the low-IQ conspiratards have hijacked the thread anyway, which was predictable.
On /x/ some guy said to understand this movie and the intent behind it, you need to understand the culture of 1800s Vienna, Austria. They linked a book, Sisyphus Arbeit? No clue what it's about. Just adding it for discussion sake. Question for knowers, this one still makes me scratch my head, if he was suppsedly exposing things, why would Cruise and Kidman work with him? Why risk things?
>>224113207I think you're the same person who already admitted there could be something to his death. You're not wrong that I'm close to the topic. I once spent a month reading the german traumnovella and the english one side by side during breakfast to see if anything was lost in translation. I only found a single translation that stood out, the description of the hair of the prostitute (in the movie she's in her twenties, in the book she's 17).It's also interesting that the first woman he rejects in the book is 27, but in the movie she's in her 40s. The ages are updated to convey the same meaning as the book.--
>>224113424I was in that thread, and tried looking up the book myself. Apparently it was written by a Jewish feminist and became somewhat known for exposing abuses of women, but that was all I could find. I don't speak German, and I couldn't find an English translation.
>>224112324Based
>>224113424>Question for knowers, this one still makes me scratch my head, if he was suppsedly exposing things, why would Cruise and Kidman work with him? Why risk things?At the time he wasn't known as someone that exposed things. Also they were the two hottest actors at the time and he was among the most renowned directors, so why wouldn't they work with him?>They linked a book, Sisyphus Arbeit? Bertha Pappenheim, eh? It's interesting, I'll see if I can find that somewhere. My guess it's a joke recommendation, but reading an extra book never hurts.>>224111444>It’s very middle class/upper middle class to marry and be monogamous, like Tom Cruise’s character. Yet, they both experience the pull. It's interesting how the movie changed the ages compared to the book. In the movie Tom Cruise first kisses a woman in her forties, then almost sleeps with a prostitute in her twenties, then encounters an underage girl at millich who clings to him. Finally he goes to a party and the women there are in their twenties.Compare this to the book where he first passes on the avances of a 27 year old. Then almost has sex with a 17 year old prostitute. Then encounters the even younger girl. And finally he is redeemed by a woman dressed as a nun.It's interesting how the christian imagery is removed from the movie now that I think about it. Kubrick (or Frederic) removed the christian elements. No nun. No dream of being crucified. The password was also changed from Denmark to Fidelio.Schnitzler said with Denmark how rotten and corrupt the Austrian-Hungarian royalty was. Something rotten in the state of Denmark. Kubrick draws a closer focus on marital fidelity and loyalty. It's also a poetic choice as Fidelio. Beethoven's only opera, where a woman sacrifices herself for her husband.
>>224111372The movie was literally named J.E.W.SAlso news won the election retard, 70% of them vote de and 92% of seats were backed by fucking AIPAC. Get fucking real
>>224113951Jeyes Wide Shut?
>>224111372>>224111284I think this is interesting, because though Kubrick and Arthur Schnitzler are Jewish, nothing and I mean nothing in the movie Eyes Wide Shut references jews.Nuala Windsor --> British RoyaltyRockafeller Plaza --> American WASP billionairesVictor Ziegler --> FreemasonIn Traumnovella too jewishness is marked at the outskirts. Nachtigall the musician that gives the protagonist access is jewish. But Nachtigall is an outsider himself, living on the outskirts next to the inner circle.What symbol really points to jewishness in either movie or book? You only get there with multiple steps of reasoning, like if you understand that freemasons are essentially servants of jews.If anything both works seem to talk about corrupt and deviant upper-upper class world where jews don't get access to.
>>224113803>so why wouldn't they work with him?It's an assumption, but theorizers qsay Kidman's from those circles, and Cruise clearly also has an affinity for cults. Given the content, the lines, etc. You'd think it'd be clear to one of them that they'd be in hot water for being in such a piece of work. Something around those lines.
>>224111444>checkedthat is interesting re his job and sex, and those his morals being incompatible with the elite class. people are comfortable getting naked in front of him because he is a doctor but he is uncomfortable getting naked in front of other people (particpating at the party, taking off his clothes immediately upon being ordered and in front of the prostitute (although that may be bc of another reason)). thx for the observation. my view that it is a move re class because the only people who he knows at the christmas party are the host, the pianist and the whores (or was it just the one?). the host is obvious, but the doctor only knows the pianist and the whores because he is the same as them to the elite, a tool or hands.
>>224114104Not who you are responding to, but the society in the film is heavily implied through symbols to be a cult which practices ceremonial magic devoted to, at least in part if not wholly, the goddess Ishtar, who is associated with war, authority, and sex, or more specifically 'sacred prostitution'. Not all secret societies who practice ceremonial magic are Freemasons, they are just the not-so-secret ones (although they are said to keep notoriously strict oaths). Freemasonry, at least to my knowledge, does not practice Ishtar worship, although certain esoteric and irregular offshoots of Masonry are said to practice sex magic.
>>224114010Just Eyes Wide Shut
>>224114143You could also ask why Kubrick was willing to cast Tom Cruise? Why was he willing to work with Tom Cruise? The #2 person of Scientology when Scientology was responsible for his daughter going to go no-contact with Kubrick. It's the same daughter Vivian that is now saying there was no additional footage, btw. I myself have seen no good evidence that there was such footage. But I also don't think that she would have been the person that knows whether there is or isn't. Kubrick wasn't known as someone who would expose these things, was he? Why would they expect those subliminal themes? Like the script is not going to say: And then in the background you have these children's games called "magic circle" with the same color as the ritual room that Bill Harford visits and is on the billiard table in Ziegler's office.These connections come alive on the screen. Outsiders slowly piece together their meaning. But I presume to insiders, if it's accurate that this exposes what goes on, the experience seeing it visually would be "oh shit, he's talking about what was did last friday".I think it's hard to read those layers from the screenplay and to expect it from a director who wasn't known for that prior.
Could a zoomer who grew up with the internet and all its pornography grasp the meaning of 90's movie with this level of sexual debauchery?
>>224114322And to add to that, could we grasp the meaning of sexual content in Traumnovella would have been understood in its time?
>>224114322I'm a zoomer who watches a LOT of porn and desu I watched this like 3 weeks ago and had no idea what the point of any of it was.All I know is the masquerade scene really really creeped me out for some reason but I don't know why.
>>224114322I did, but you don't understand it through the mind, like most of the people here. You let it affect you, and understand it that way. Or you pick it apart with your brain and conclude that it's about a corrupt elite, class, psychology, or whatever your ego wants to see.
>>224114224It's a satanic ceremony of self godhood. The retard in red symbolyzes the god of those who go to the masquerade and everyone around him, under his influence, the faceless vessels that have been pumped with drugs, chanting, and other ego reduction and destruction practices are matter and empty entities that bend and shape themselves to his will. The grotesque orgy just being one way of symbolyzing how humans are matter transformers who take potential from the latent virtual mental realm and compact it to the shared resolution of matter. Generating reality. Sex being the act of vessel creation, more bodies to be posessed by his will.Reduce ego and make yourself suggestible through ritual, cause exteme emotional distress that codes patterns in the mind, the waking mind ends up manifesting what was coded during ritual. The will propagates. Hiram Abiff anyone? They're tools for the center figure, all possessed, functionally at least.This is all just science fiction I read somewhere on /x/
>>224114322Watch the King of the Hill episode where Hank gets accused of renting pornography to see what attitudes were like back then.
>>224114346I'm sure the song backward priest by Jocelyn Pook helped creep you out.She had said in interviews that she reversed a catholic chant to give it a diabolical slant. Of course reversal has a long tradition in esoteric and occult circles. It reverses meaning.But now thanks to AI I've been able to locate the chant that she reversed. It's Anaphore of the Byzantine rite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphora_(liturgy)It's about a sacrifice to God. So in the inverted meaning it would mean the ritual's meaning would be either to take from God or to sacrifice to Satan. That would give a diabolical slant on the meaning.Not surprising that it's unsettling.
>>224111372But they did secure the election. Check out the new democratic leaders of the house and Senate are gonna be. They simply can't lose
>>224114448Yes that was very creepy and immediately made me sat up. Also the weird catholic ritual they're doing. Why was it so religious? I don't know. The earlier sex scenes didn't seem to have any spiritual meaning.Also what was all the stuff with the costume shop? Why was the costume shop so big? Selling costumes isn't very lucrative. Why were there a bunch of horny Asians? Why was the guy mad at his daughter at first but then wanted to sell her off later?This movie made it hard to goon after
>>224114472>the weird catholic ritual they're doing.It's an anti-catholic ritual.>Also what was all the stuff with the costume shop? Why was the costume shop so big? Selling costumes isn't very lucrative. Why were there a bunch of horny Asians? Why was the guy mad at his daughter at first but then wanted to sell her off later?They're japanese specifically, to extra highlight the pedophilia. As I pointed out the girl suggests a cloak made of ermine, which was worn by european nobility. It suggests that she had been to those sex ritual parties. Millich's shop has a big rainbow on it. Earlier the Nuala and the other are trying to seduce Bill Harford and take him "beyond the rainbow".In some ways, Millich's shop is a gateway between the public and the inducted.
>>224114546>It's an anti-catholic ritual.But why? What's the point of that? Why invert the chanting and make mockery of the ritual?Also why does all this stuff seem to happen at once? It seemed like Tom Cruise's character led a pretty normal life and then in this one night, he enters some crazy vortex of sexual impropriety. Why?How does Nicole Kidman's confession to wanting to fuck the sailor guy play into it?Is Tom just jealous about it and that's why he has those intrusive thoughts? Or is that something deeper too?Also why does the ending feel so sinister and weird? It feels like something really bad is about to happen and then it doesn't. I've heard some people say there's an implication about his daughter being made to do the same stuff but I don't see how.
>>224111268>Looking at a patients tits, it's just a job for himhes unironically sexually assaulting a patient, you dont need a patient to be topless to use a fucking stethoscope>>224111597Nicole Kidman is the bad guy
>>224111779The weed smoking scene is literally like a half hour
>>224114688I'm a doctor and yes you do. In cases of women with a larger bust, the material can impede an accurate reading of the heart, which is already difficult through the breast tissue. Also if the breasts are cold this can further impede the reading, so it is often required for the doctor to warm them using a special gel applied slowly with the hands. Nothing perverse about it, it's medical science.
>>224114627>But why? What's the point of that? Why invert the chanting and make mockery of the ritual?It's saying that these people are anti-christian. Satanic, following Ishtar, following Baal, you could make a number of occult inferences, but at its core they're anti-christian. Like the Gotthard Tunnel opening.>Also why does all this stuff seem to happen at once? It seemed like Tom Cruise's character led a pretty normal life and then in this one night, he enters some crazy vortex of sexual impropriety. Why?That's the essential ambiguity of traumnovella and it's movie. It almost allows the Bill or Fridolin to wonder: did I just dream all that last night? Traum means dream of course.There's also these moments like Epstein or pizzagate or alex jones filming bohemian groveo or leaked emails and spiritcooking, where the common man can briefly see what goes on behind behind the scenes, a brief glimpse of a nearly incomprehensible other world that lies concealed most of the time.>How does Nicole Kidman's confession to wanting to fuck the sailor guy play into it?This is what kicks the story into action and sets the protagonist to seek adventure outside of his marriage. They also discuss it exactly, she's with him for his money. But there are men that are sexier to her than her husband. She settled for him. In her dreams, the sailor is indifferent to her. He doesn't care for her. He wouldn't wife her up. It's speaking in part about the tragedy of human coupling.>Is Tom just jealous about it and that's why he has those intrusive thoughts? Or is that something deeper too?Yes, both.
they kinda killed kubrick though
>>224114627>Also why does the ending feel so sinister and weird? It feels like something really bad is about to happen and then it doesn't. I've heard some people say there's an implication about his daughter being made to do the same stuff but I don't see how.Because you're perceptive and feel that there's something wrong with it implicitly. The store is filled with magic circle games. It's red. It's exactly like the magic circle ritual we've seen earlier. Young girls are trained to see it as something lighthearted and fun. For a modern equivalent, look at all the "dark romance" novels where girls as young as 10 read about being taken advantage of and enslaved by billionaire vampires and it's framed as something somewhat lighthearted and fun. In that final scene, there's two old men that we've seen before, at Ziegler's "public" party. Their daughter follows behind them. They lose sight of her. Some say it suggests she is abducted there. I interpreted it as they have neither the attention or power to resist their daughter being as vulnerable to the cult as they themselves are.Of course there's also the tigers, like at Domino's the young prostitute, Bears, which were used as a symbol for pedophilia/child abuse in the shining.If there are better interpretations, let me know.
>>224110932Watched this movie when I was in middle school, then rewatched when I was in high school, shit creeped me the hell out to hell and back, the piano following scene, people being killed off screen in the newspapers, the doctor confronting Tom near the end, the child teasing Tom, fuck just everything about it is a trip, when I watch something that scares the living daylights out of me I can’t rewatch it, same with Twin Peaks, genuinely the most disturbing piece of media I’ve ever watched, will never rewatch again, obviously appreciate its cinematic value of course but still
>>224114759>am a doctor>posts on 4chanKek
>>224115028L-Liquid Chris????
>>224114917Thank you for your service. I'm a gynecologist and I find that for young women the easiest way to insert a speculum is to place it on my groin first. Non-doctors just don't know the sacrifices we make for our patients. They're so perverted.
>>224115071this was meant for:>>224114759
>>224110932Shut the fuck up, pseud.https://33degreesofeyeswideshut.wordpress.com/
>>224115147Actual Schizo
>>224115209it is mathematically impossible for the symbolism to be just cohencidence.You flaccid cucks are midwits at best and jewish at worst
>>224111448Nothing in there is interesting
>>224115147>>224115362Someone has forgotten their meds, once again
>>224114688The film is about human nature. What do you mean "bad guy"?
>>224111701>I don't understand people do the movie was boring>Cannibalism is what this film needed!The Siskel of our time
>>224111701>ve been so much more juicy...there could've been cannibalism or something actually taboo but it's just rich people having sex. and they kill the prostitute and the pianist? For what? That extreme reaction from the secret society just made me think there would be an even bigger reveal at the end that they were eating and killing babies or somethingDING DING DING DING DING
Anyone else agree that the best option when asked about the second password is to ALWAYS say that there isn't a second password? You will literally guess the second password wrong every time, but saying there isn't one has a slight chance of succeeding.
>>224114322Desn't your generation bitch about "power dynamics" all day and attack each other when a 20 year old dates a 29 year old? Your gen pays for onlyfans and doesn't actually have sex with each other.
>>224114627>But whyLike many things in life you are not privileged enough to know
>>224115782Time for bed, unc.
>>224115147Quality post. Fuck the nerds who literally don't understand the movie talking shit. If only they knew.
>>224115829We had porn bad in the day too. It doesn't change the fact that a full blown mansion orgy is very weird. Didn't Diddy just get locked up for that? You kids like to act like your so special in your debauchery but really you barely leave your rooms.
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>>224110932Holy trvke. Conspiritards are not serious people
>>224112494Maybe he wanted to capture a feeling of irratated exhaustion throughout the film. That's the feeling I get when I watch it. All the characters are on edge, even in totally mundane situations.
>>2241150284chan probably has more doctors, ministers and retired sportstars than schoolchildren at this point.
>>224115721Technically yes but they already found you out and they're just playing with you at that point.
>>224116398Didn't read. Really bad choice of putting a prime naked Nicole Kidman next to same autistic schizobabble that I'm supposed to read.
>>224116398This is one is true
>>224114322Despite being so over sexualized most younger gens aren't having sex. The rich and handsome people still are though, so there's probably more of these mansion orgies than ever but you just aren't invited.
>>224110954Where would those 18 minutes have fit into the movie? It's already complete as it is.
>>224117172Right, they might not have much, but they do see much. So I imagine they're very desensitized to it.
>>224116450OK, but actors are typically capable of acting this way. If you're going to method your actors without telling them, that's just being a dick.
>>224117274I think what's lost about Kubrick's behavior is that film making became more corporate over the course of his career. I'm sure he had ulterior motives to making the actor quit rather than firing him. Perhaps he couldn't fire him.
If anyone takes the cult stuff in the film wholly literally and at face value, you missed the point. The overlapping of reality and fantasy and its effect on perception, particularly within a married couple, is the central theme of the film.
>>224117608Well said. The movie really does a good job of making you feel like you’re in a dream.
>>224113117Ok, that is insane, I can't believe I've never heard about this before
>>224111388He didn't like flying, that's why he filmed in the UK.
>>224117742Careful not to fall for the "royal lancer" conspiracy though. The idea that Larry Celona doesn't exist.Some people said his name is anagram for Royal Lancer, which is true. And that the Royal Lancers are a british military regiment that reported to the duke of york, which is true.Prince Andrew was the duke of York, and of course Prince Andrew was one of those who got burned by his Epstein connection and fucking underage girls.Point is though, Larry Celona has an IMDB and can be seen in a couple of crime documentaries. He's probably just a safe pair of hands they can trust to report what they need reporting. Kubrick must have noticed it with other deaths, and used it in his film. That's my interpretation anyways.
>>224117608It's the central theme of the original story but Kubrick quite clearly changed it to fit his views. There's no other reason to include the cult stuff in the first place.
movie is a lot of thingsits partly autobiographical (kubrick and his wife and kubircks initiation with elite and moon landing)Exposing mkultra sex slaves and trafficking of women of elitesMeta commentary on all conspiracies - he made the film in a Rorschach kind of way where he insereted conspiracies from everything for the viewer to interpret their own view
>>224110932>this great movieit's 3/10 at best.100% kubrick's worst movie, midwits trying to find higher meaning in nothing.
>>224118023its also meta 4th wall crazy blurring line between art and real life. Crazy parallels and doppelganager motifs
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>>224117965 Larry Celona—a longtime New York crime reporter and media consultant for Eyes Wide Shut—also reported on Jeffrey Epstein’s death in 2019. Theorists point to this professional overlap as evidence of a deeper real-world connection, though commentators note Celona was simply a New York journalist working across various crime and media assignments.
>>224118061Weird, when I was making screenshots to use as pictures in this thread I noticed that guy kinda looked like Tom Cruise, and also that together she and him look like a copy of Bill and Alice. I filed it away in my head to look into the meaning for in the future.And those birth dates are actually exactly the same day. Strange.
>>224118098>Crime reporter reports crimes Shocking
>>224118098I mean, yes we just talked about that.
>>224115028>"I am unemployed and retarded therefore everyone else is."flexion of the second metacarpal dendroid. may you catch Apoxia from a grocery bag.
>>224112324Fun fact: the entire scene at the end with Zigler and Bill was never supposed to be in the film as released.It was filmed solely for Warner executives to spell out to them the whole point of the orgy scene since Kubrick was afraid he'd be accused of shock for shock sake pornography. Which was the point as Kubrick always intended to leave people scratching their heads wondering what the fuck they just saw with the orgy sequence rather than spell it outKubrick fully intended to cut and destroy the negative of the scene before sending out the censored final cut prints to theaters but died before he cut cut the scene. Supposedly Cruise convinced Warner to keep it in, citing the lawyer rules deal that Kubrick never bothered to explicitly write down he intended to cut the scene and this is why R Lee Emory accused Cruise of railroading Kubrick, as Kubrick's underlings were too busy fighting amongst themselves over censoring the orgy by putting CGI robed people over the simulatec sex acts to bother forcing Warner to cut the scene with Zigler/Bill.
Kinda telling people have to invent crazy conspiracies about this middling movie in order to make it even remotely interesting.
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Both events occurred on the exact same day and month, 30 years apart:16th JulyApollo 11 Launch Date: July 16, 1969Eyes Wide Shut US Release Date: July 16, 1999
>>224118210What's your evidence for this?
>>224117319This is partially true, but not the situation. Kubrick was doing large numbers of takes for decades prior to Eyes Wide Shut. He was well known for it. Story goes, he was used to dealing actors who would not take the job serious and someone wouldn't even memorize their lines. He wanted natural performances. Eyes Wide Shut was far beyond what was normal for even Kubrick. He did as many takes for each shot that he could. The movie cost 65m in 1999. Look at this movie. it could have been made for 5m. There's no good reason for it.
>I'll have an apple as a mask
>>224113424wasn’t someone in that thread talking about the 33 levels to masonry and how it syncs up with the film to. i think there was a link but that was sometime last year.
>>224118635it's here:>>224115147Not buying it myself, but have at it.
The movie wasn't long enough (not in terms of running time), the end felt like just the beginning of going down a rabbit hole.
>>224115147Which degree is the one where you have to suck some jew's cock who coincidently are the only ones in the highest positions
>>224111142I see, so if you look for any hidden meaning it should be in the original novel.
>>224111839>they all have big nosesWhat did stephen hillenburg mean by this?
>>224119477every degree
>>224119485In some ways the novella is shorter than the movie.You would probably do better watching Ager's collative learning videos
First off, god bless Stanley Kubrick for putting Kidman's ass in every second scene. The Shining could've done with more ass.Then, why the fuck are Tom Cruise and his bitch always kind of not really cheating on each other. First moment I thought they were swingers, but Nicole Kidman just blueballs Mr. Dracula for no reason? And then Tom Cruise flips his shit about some dream this bitch had? When he watched her hump some polack at a party while he was getting pussy from two aussies.I think it was just Kubrick trolling the real couple by making them do shit like this take after take. Apparently the Navy dude actor literally bust inside Nicole Kidman for the dream sequence. Talk about a dream job.
>>224115721Yeah it was a pretty obvious test/trap, but the rest of the movie has to happen
>>224113117I know there is a lot of schizophrenia around this movie, much of which is very interesting even if it is bs, but this is jogging my noggin a little too hard. Even if the guy is just a regular journo in real life and Kubrick was going for realism, it's just crazy to think about how many weird coincidences there are around this movie. It's odd, this is not a movie I've ever recommended to anyone, but it's so fascinating despite how open ended and unresolved it feels. I might put Strangelove and 2001 over this, but it's a hard contest
>>224113276I know Kubrick is a bigger faggot than just to write a sentence, have it mean what it means and end it with a period.>Give up your inquiries which are completely uselessWhy would the omnipotent sexpest cult give someone three or four warnings when they whack bitches left and right. They were trying to recruit him, they just wanted him to stop being a faggot.
>>224117989The sex cult is in the book too
>>224119667This was lifted almost word for word from the book.
>>224119667>They were trying to recruit him, they just wanted him to stop being a faggot.If they wanted to recruit him, they probably wanted him to start being a faggot.
>>224119667>>224119784>but why a second - and not a final warning?I'm retarded, never figured they were trying to recruit him
Life before the internet was boringTom could've stayed on home and jerk off to some JAV and not go on a horny adventure
>>224119784So why does he just want to fuck a whore all willy nilly? I thought he was going to get robbed. He should've thought he was going to get robbed.What's the point of that she gets AIDS? Some parts of the movie get real "Magnolia" on me. That was such a massive piece of shit.
>>224119759Well I didn't actually read the book lol.
>>224119803>Quit being a faggot and suck that dick.I meant be a pussy faggot. First thing they get down to is probably everyone blows the old dude.
>>224113279It was the fashion at the time.
>>224111142reminder that the shining was a loose adaption of a novel that had been floating around some years previously
>>224114688>>224114759this. I'm also a doctor and have to regularly do this at all female boarding schools. it becomes extremely tedious and you get a kind of road hypnosis and don't realise you've just been through a few dozen pairs.
>>224113117Larry Celona was hired by Kubrick to work on the film as a consultant. It’s not weird at all for him to then report on Kubrick’s death since he worked for The New York post and his whole job was about reporting on breaking stories. There is literally nothing weird about this at all.
