>These donuts are great. Jelly filled are my favorite. Nothing beats a jelly filled donut.
>>224135702>jelly filled donut.Literally the worst type of doughnut.
>>224135702I genuinely don't understand why localized that.So, let's say kid doesn't know what rice balls are.Fine, why is that an issue?All they can figure is it is a food Brock likes. And that is that matters.Same logic appeals fictional food. LOTR has lembas, so with same logic why not rename it to jelly sandwitch?
>>224135702Why did this nigga never open his eyes?
>>224135787The writer claims it was a mouth flap matching issue
>>224135787Anime dubbing and localization was shit in the 90's. It sucks that it was all we had at the time. I remember watching the Streamline Pictures dub of Akira back then not realizing how awful the localization was in it.>"And who are you, the funeral director?">"This is more than Chemistry 101, man."Every dub put out by that company was the worst.
>>224135702>15 years old>looks 25
>>224135702https://youtu.be/yzfg0aBE19Y
>>224135787It was the 90s. You must not remember what the 90s dubs were likeLook at this. Two completely different scenes.https://youtu.be/XIVm0Js3iMQ
>>224135824my favorite is Piccolo saying "Oh my gosh"like he was a valley girl
90s anime dubs were kino.
tf lil takeshi gon do
>>224135802His future was too bright.
>>224135787American localizers having some strange Japanophobia. It must be the same reason they tended to redraw videogame boxarts to be fucking hideous.
>>224135853So ummm like... Let that child alone.
Do you guys think Brock and Misty canonly a couple? Misty always jealous every time Brock flirts with other women
>>224135913>they tended to redraw videogame boxarts to be fucking hideous.Yup
>>224135712filtered
>>224135702looking back, this guy was such a gooner for that policewoman and nurse
>>224135913And that’s a good thing. Based boomers knew weeb faggotry was a menace.
>>224135949His game counterpart was a chick magnet
>>224135787Racism, unironically.
>>224135913>>224135931You guys are just weebs. Plenty of them were kino
>>224135787Localization isn't a rational process, it always seemed to me like it was born out of some bizarre assumed xenophobia that would make it impossible for audiences to like something that was slightly foreign, which is especially odd considering Pokémon was already a series about a world filled with new and fantastical creatures with funny names. I wonder if there really would have been some kids who were fully on board with the show, but would have tuned out if Brock said the words "rice ball"
I remember when I was a teenager I used to watch poorly dubbed and edited anime clips from 4kids on YouTube. I laughed my ass off.
If you want to complain about old anime English dubs, you guys should learn Japanese and watch some Japanese dubs of English speaking shows. It's 100x worse
>>224135824It's crazy how confidently you subhumans will opine on topics about which you know nothing. Have you ever actually worked in localization? Do you have any possible understanding of the demands workers were facing?Oh wait you're an ipad zoomer who's made chatGPT into a surrogate parent. Of course you don't understand what it was like back when people actually had to make decisions for themselves.>>224135913Wrong - you're just painfully ignorant about what's involved in the process of localization and the complex, multifaceted, and often contradictory goals of the aforementioned.>>224136026Literally every sentence in this post is incorrect, irrelevant, and frankly stupid. Your ignorance is not an argument. I will say it again: your ignorance is NOT an argument. If you think a decidedly rational process is somehow irrational, it's because you're either ignorant of the process itself or because you're ignorant of reason and logic. The most likely answer here is that you're ignorant of both.
>>224135913>some strange JapanophobiaThat was basically just the norm of the world. Mainstream critics could openly criticize Ghibli movies or anything Japanese and say it's some weird jap bullshit in a pretty racist way. Nobody cared.That's why I find it funny when I see people complaining these days that Japanese things simply get special treatment.
>>224135787Westerners were genuinely insecure about how hard the japs were mogging them at cartoons and tried to sabotage them in every way they could. Fortunately it didn't work.
>>224136077All dubbing is bad, but the russian thing where it’s just one monotone dude reading everything on screen and doing everyone’s lines is utterly baffling.
>>224136142A lot of these people only started watching anime around the time of the covid lockdowns and don't have much knowledge of the industry back then. I can't blame them for that, but it's always rather galling when they speak so confidently about it, only saying things they heard in video essays or tiktoks or w/e.
>>224136213Why would I be insecure about a race of 3 inch dicklets? lmao
>>224136142Did you realize you didn’t actually say anything?
>>224136220I get it. It's like an audiobook with pictures.
>>224136222Having stupid bosses isn’t an excuse for doing stupid things.
>>224135931if you think that was strictly a localization problem, the Japanese were as guilty of that. some video game series like Ganbare Goemon would never get localized nor were they ever intended to be.
>>224135787The show aired on Saturday mornings for a 6 to 12 yr old age group I don't think they gave a fuck
>>224136240So I merely left the quality of the board as I found it instead of deteriorating it substantially with your banal doggerel? Cite all your posts on this board in your next post so we can assess what kind of poster you are. If you refuse to do this then you are an abject coward.
>>224136267>continues to say nothing if you have some defense of dubbing/localization outside of your fee-fees this would be the place to post it.
>>224136240Tbf the people he was replying to didn't really say anything themselves other than "they're racist an shit bruh"
>>224136288Which is still infinitely more than any “defender” of localization has been able to muster.
>>224136283Why would I need to procure a defense when you haven't even launched an attack? Nothing you have said is of any substance. You have not convinced neither me nor any of the humble posters in this thread that you have even the faintest awareness of historic standards of localization. So why should we take your half-baked, nay, quarter-baked inferences about the state of the industry into any kind of consideration whatsoever?
>>224135815>the one guy who actually knows gets ignoredmany such cases
>>224136077I don't think there was anything like this donut thing in Jap dubs of Western shows, because, except for the 1940s, Western things have normally been regarded as cool and advanced by Jap normies over the past 150 years, even if they had no idea what those things were
>>224136315>wow this sucked>you don’t understand and I’m angry>why>I don’t need to explain myselfyou’re a clown.
>>224136318Because neither onigiri or jelly filled donuts fit the mouth flapping anon. It’s a nonsense excuse.
>>224136260>The show aired on Saturday mornings for a 6 to 12 yr old age group I don't think they gave a fuckthey seemed to have a real strange idea of what the average 10 year old cared about
>>224136330>this industry is bad>"you don't understand anything about it">y-you're not saying anything!!Curious that you neglected to take up my challenge of linking all your posts across the board. Could it be that you're terrified of being outed as a troll or, perhaps worse, as a dilettante?>you’re a clown.You are a coward.
It gets worse. During the Orange Islands arc they temporarily replaced Brock with some gay 80s aerobics guy because, I kid you not, they thought Americans would interpret Brock as a negative Asian stereotype due to his squinty eyes but then they quickly realized that was dum and brought him back afterward.
What I really hate is when localizers responsible for English subtitles use modern internet lingo >You mad, bro?!>Her dress is on fleek>That boy has rizz
Eat your hamburgers Apollo
>>224136338Gee I wonder if there are other synonyms for that food that have a different number of syllables that might be a closer fit.
>>224135826Literally me.
>>224136382Maybe they want the zoomer audience
>>224136213>Fortunately it didn't work.did kill one piece for while
>>224136395.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci8dIpNcyEY
>>224135787Pokemon was one of the most commercialized IPs at the time, every aspect of it was gone over with a fine tooth comb to maximum profits. They didn't want to piss off the advertisers by making kids want to try eating rice instead of their usual steady diet of overpriced junk food, mcdonalds, and corn syrup.
>>224136396anon. if even the japanese didnt fit the mouth flapping (read: it never does) then "trying to fit the mouth flapping" isn't an excuse.
>>224136354>continues to say nothing while desperately wanting anonymous discourse to be personal
>>224135717I love Jessie so much it's unreal
>>224136517Which one of them is that
>>224135815Brock's VA stated it was for mainstream reasons when they would air the dub in other countries, so they went with donuts.
>>224135712You're a retard. Literally the best ones. Let me guess you get the basic bitch standard glazed at Krispy Kreme?
>>224135787>ballsyou can't say stuff like that on a kids show
>>224135826He just said he was 15 to gain access to prime teen puss as they rolled from town to town
>>224136026>impossible for audiences to like something that was slightly foreignEveryone coveted jap cards when I was a kid. I think it's moreso they didn't want kids to be taken out of it. Cartoons are supposed to be mesmerizing so you don't pester your parents early Saturday morning
>>224136541The QVEEN of Pokemon girls
>>224135702>But Brock, those are riceballs.
>>224135913Angry Kirby just makes more sense
>>224136822Maple bars>>>
>>224135702The Anime peaked at Diamond and Pearl, and even that ended like shit
>>224135702>>224135787God I hate 4Kidz.
>a boy with a camera appears>everyone assumes he has a gun and is about to shoot everyoneis this a japanese thing?
There was definitely kino and quality in the first season at least, and it seemed to progressively go downhill unfortunately. It could unironically have been a great series if they aged up the characters in real time so there was a clear progression. By this point Ash could have had kids and they all have Pokemans and rivals with Gary's kids, etc.
>>224137101Perfection
>>224136923>He just said he was 15 to gain access to prime teen puss as they rolled from town to townyou don't know anything about teenage girls, do you? they don't want 16 year old dudes, they want guys in their 20s who have a car and money.
>>224137286After Season 1 the show became more formulaic and less adventurous once they knew it would be broadcast internationally.
>>224137361It's not the teen girls he needs to deceive dumbass.
>>224135931Kek
>>224135702i ship james and crossdressing ash ketchumjames tops
>>224137157>what is this fag babbling about>what the fuck99% of "localization" is explained by people with jobs where they don't actually do anything desperately clamoring to justify their paycheck and their name being put on the product at all.
>>224137396>if only you knew how mega things really are
>>224136822Apple fritter.
>>224137408>Even changed the logo
dub studios in the 90s weren't Millenial weebs who grew up watching anime they were normie boomers and it was a job for them not a passion project
>>224137231pokemon was always shitevery episide is always Satoshi and his companions lost in a fucking forest (that looks the fucking same every time) and they encounter trainer who has issue a wild pokemonThere is never any character development, barely any animation for battles, or character writingThere is no excuse for it when digimon did everything with shoestring budged
>>224135702This was so fucking egregious. But at least the cultural translation is consistent, because Takeshi was already renamed to Brock in the English dub. If you're going to give him a Western name, you might as well go the whole nine yards and make him eat Western food too.
>>224137719Correct.
>>224135824The worst was the first Initial D dub that replaced all the Eurobeat with limp bizkit style nu-metal
>>224135702What is your favorite Porkeyman game, /tv/? Mine is Platinum. Yours???
>>224135702Go back to /a/
>>224137719>who grew up watching animeThat's more of a zoomer thing. Yes certain millennials watched downloaded unofficially subbed anime. But it wasn't happening as often as it did with zoomers having that shit on netflix.
>>224135802
>>224137719it's same as with shitty 90s JRPG translations. it was a job and the translators had deadlines and sometimes censorship rules.
>WHY DO PEOPLE TRANSLATE OTHER LANGUAGES!?!?>WHY DIDN'T BROCK CALL IT AN "ONIGIRI!??!!?"For the same reason Brock doesn't call his Geodude "Ishitsubute."
>>224137993and whats the reason?
>>224135853My favorite Piccolo line is "Darn it! If only I had more power!"
>>224136382It turns out that the age group that speaks lingo like that are, in fact, the age group for tv cartoons and comics.If you translated it to "Shakespearean," chances are the intended age group reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally doesn't get it.
>>224137719a famous parallel was Dave Dexter's decision to put echo reverb on the US releases of the early Beatles singles. this has often been criticized by boomers who felt they should have retained the dry-sounding UK mixes. as it were, Dexter had no idea he was making history, he was a middle aged A&R guy who worshiped Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald, had no use for rock, and just assumed the Beatles were another Fabian-tier teen idol act who would have a year or so shelf life.
>>224137897I didn't play the game, I only watched the show and the films.
>>224137988although there are some tards who complain about those having dated jokes about Seinfeld or Bill Clinton or something, while ignoring how the Japanese dialog often had as many jokes about contemporary Japanese pop culture.
>>224138037The English-speaking 8-year-old listening to Brock understands the autological name "Geo+Dude." He can read the letters "Geodude" and immediately understand the comparison to that teenager's rock-type pokemon. He'll think it's funny! He'll like it!The English-speaking 8-year-old listening to Brock does not understand the autological name "Ishitsubute." He cannot read the letters "イシツブテ" and cannot understand it. He'll think it's wrong! He'll hate it!
the Pokemon anime was shit anyway. it didn't represent the games well and had a totally confused, contradictory moral message a lot of the time.
>>224138165but he does understand pikachu?
>>224137408That's better though. Make Kirby look determined rather than a retard.
>>224138170>the Pokemon anime was shit anyway. it didn't represent the games well andOne thing you may notice is that they avoided having Pokemon perform attacks from the games that were difficult to represent visually.
>>224138067meanwhile Goku is meant to be redneck but they took that aspect completely out and made him into superman
>>224138181Very few understand Pikachu; he speaks Pokemon, after all. Um, Tomo and Yellow can, I think? I haven't watched Pokemon in, like, 30 years, I don't know who speaks with Pikachu anymore.
>>224138299You were talking about an imaginary eight year old who’d not understand a Japanese name in a show where only a few names were changed from Japanese.
>>224138299>Um, Tomo and Yellow can, I think? I haven't watched Pokemon in, like, 30 years, I don't know who speaks with Pikachu anymore.All the 'mons can speak to one another, per the episode where they're all lost and looking for their trainers and all speak to one another with English subtitles for the audience.
>>224138181>>224138299It's not impossible that he'll know what a Pika is.I mean, it's not where the Japanese name actually comes from; but it's a cute lagomorph that looks like a rodent so it's arguably a better representation of the creature then any sort of 'mouse'.
>YOU DON'T DIP SUBWAY™ CHICKEN&CHEESE DIPPERS IN APPLE JUICE>IT IS ALREADY PERFECTLY SAUCED>THE APPLE JUICE IS THERE TO CLEANSE YOUR PALATE IN BETWEEN BITES>THIS MAN IS A SANDWICH ARTIST>HE HAD TO SPEND 3 WEEKS LEARNING THIS JOB>AND YOUR EXPENSE ACCOUNTS DONT ENTITLE YOU TO FUCK HIS ART UP THE ASS!
tbqh in the Japanese show many Pokemon just make generic monster roars. the dub teams decided for some reason that all of them should say their name.
>>224138527>tbqh in the Japanese show many Pokemon just make generic monster roars. the dub teams decided for some reason that all of them should say their name.some of them like Charizard keep the original voices
>>224138350>only a few names were changed from Japanese.Point #1You are entirely wrong.This show, "Pokemon," had 151 pokemon. SEVEN names were "unchanged">ピカチュウ Pikachū>ライチュウ Raichū>ニドリーナ Nidorīna>ニドリーノ Nidorīno>ポニータ Ponīta>ポリゴン Porigon>ミュウ MyūAnd that's ignoring "poni->pony," "pori->pory" (despite both being "poly"), and "Myu->Mew."If you want, you can try to tell me they didn't change>バタフリー Batafurī>アーボック Ābokku>ニドラン Nidoran Mesu>ニドクイン Nidokuin>ニドラン Nidoran Osu>ニドキング Nidokingu>ズバット Zubatto>ゴルバット Gorubatto>パラス Parasu>パラセクト Parasekuto>ペルシアン Perushian>ゴルダック Gorudakku>ドードー Dōdō>ドードリオ Dōdorio>シェルダー Sherudā>ゲンガー Gengā>クラブ Kurabu>キングラー Kingurā>シードラ Shīdora>スターミー Sutāmī>ギャラドス Gyaradosu>ラプラス Rapurasu>イーブイ Ībui>オムナイト Omunaito>オムスター Omusutā>カブト Kabuto>カブトプス Kabutopusu>ミュウツー Myūtsūnames, too.Go ahead. Convince me "shidora" is identical to "Seadra."Point #2Did you know "Pikachu" represents TWO separately related homonyms that exactly define its visual appearance and skillsets in Japanese? Do you think that "imaginary eight year old" I offered as a generalized example knows???Hmm.Well, did you know that "Tentacruel" represents TWO separately related homonyms that exactly define its visual appearance and skillsets in English?...can you tell which name is "translated?"Can you recognize its value for a child who doesn't speak Japanese???
>>224138720>>224138570Still, quite a few of these kept the original Japanese voices.
