>>224175580
wholesome chungus literally me man with funy rock pokemon science the shit out of the star, best movie ever saar

>>224175905
>saar
People just insert that everywhere now, huh?

>>224175580
did it get any better after 45min intro?


i paused it around alien ship sex scene and never watched it to the end.

>>224175580
i liked it, but the mc being forced into heroics left a bad taste in my mouth, though i found that a refreshing way to do it. hopefully when he goes back home it's to press charges, i don't like the woman having any sense of satisfaction about him pulling it off

>>224175580
Short Circuit in Space

>>224175580
I also liked the movie. It was fun.

>>224175905
>>224175950

Ironic what that retard anon is insinuating, considering if you shit on this movie then you are basically brown-coded

>>224175995
I like to think he never went back because humans are horrible people.

>>224175905
meds

I would've loved it at 12 years old, ultimately a shallow children's movie but the production was amazing

>>224175580
I thought it was good, maybe cause all recent movies have completely sucked. I don't think it's as reddit as /tv seems to think.

>>224175950
testing a wordfilter
jeet
yeah, it's really tiresome. the anti indian shit is just the latest in a string of 4chan rightcel obsessions

>>224175580
REDDIT© The Movie

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>>224175580
This is one of those movies that I have been putting off watching, because it feels like what will happen is what has happened many times before: a movie gets hyped up as incredible, and I go in with expectations to be impressed and I am let down.

>>224176239
its definitely sort of reddit

i would have liked a more scientific exploration of how they bridge the language barrier, but the movie is not really about that. you could easily make a whole movie about trying to understand an alien's language. they just sort of hand-wave it away.
best treatment of the topic I've read was a book by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Arrival was a stupid persons version of the same problem: they handwave away the difficulties of understanding an utterly alien form of communication.

i watched this recently and also watched arrival. phm mogs arrival despite the reddit theme

>>224175995
>the mc being forced into heroics left a bad taste in my mouth
It's perfect for his character arc. Without that twist, it wouldn't work.
>hopefully when he goes back home
He's not going back. He likes his new rock friends too much.
>it's to press charges, i don't like the woman having any sense of satisfaction about him pulling it off
If you look closely, you'll notice at the end that she has a tattoo on her neck indicating she's convicted and sentenced to life without parole, probably not for forcing Grace on the mission since that was kept secret but other ethically questionable decisions while in charge. But she's still satisfied with everything she did because the Earth ended up being saved.

>>224176500
arrival is just bad. the entire conceit is translating the language but they basically use a computer (lol) to solve it. this was before AI of course, it would be marginally more believable that an LLM trained specifically on language analysis might yield insights.
to consider the difficulties involved, realize the Egyptian hieroglyphics were unsolved until the discovery of the Rosetta Stone. two human languages; indecipherable without a key.
an alien language would be immensely more difficult. there is no commonality whatsoever.
both the rock dude and Gosling would have been completely stuck. they could conceivable work together without language, but that would require a smarter writer than Weir.

>>224175580
Reddit: The Movie.

>>224176694
Arrival also has that wonderful woman moment where a foid decides to bring a doomed child into the world despite knowing her existence will be short and difficult. Ultimate hubris.

>>224176307
It sort of made sense starting out with numbers but yeah classic universal translator happened very quickly. I've thing that surprised me was that they never released any merch of Rocky. Seemed a very toyetic design.

>>224176742
really, no toys? talk about a missed opportunity. women love the rock.

>>224175905
this but im not brown

>>224176742
It happens "quickly" because the movie isn't going to spend 4 hours having them point at objects and recording noises. In the book they are at it for months and there's no need to show every bit of that in detail.

the alien was too familiar conventional

i was sitting there thinking how similar films the martian and arrival were both better iterations on the themes

>>224176805
I thought The Martian was very similar and funnily enough same writer.

>>224176694
in arrival they have live communication with the aliens, tho

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>>224175580
When the credits rolled, I shouted "Hail Mary!" but no one laughed. So I continued shouting it over and over again, as my voice became increasingly shrill and hoarse. As the ushers entered the theater, there was finally some awkward, nervous and frightened laughter, and that was more than good enough for me. I hauled ass for the exit.

Did it again the next weekend in the same theater.

>>224176803
i'd prefer if they figured out how to work together without needed to communicate in language at all. that's basically how it starts: the use models of things to demonstrate where they come from, and what the atmospheric composition is. those are the most interesting moments for me. after that is gets reddit chungus.

>>224176888
Anons are autistic enough for me to believe this

>>224176901
You're asking for a movie with almost zero dialogue, which is very 4chan autism. So we need a halfway point between 4chan autism and reddit chungus.

>>224176849
yeah, but that still doesn't solve the problem. i can point at a bird; if they produce the same glyph twice then i can be reasonable certain that's their glyph for bird. but they probably don't have birds, so maybe it's a glyph for unknown feathered animal. or ???. or lunch. impossible to tell.

unironically the first time I read the source material before the adaptation. it felt good to act all smug and superior, even tho it was relatively mid

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>>224176918
if you're in the mood to read two sci-fi books by a guy way smarter than Weir, may i recommend these.

>>224175580
Crazy sequel to drive

>>224175580
I didn't mind it, but it wasn't nearly as good as The Martian.

>>224175580
There's no fucking way humans would ever be able to translate alien language.

>>224176998
Drive was his dream while he was in hibernation.

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>>224176307
>they handwave away the difficulties of understanding an utterly alien form of communication.
There's nothing utterly alien about Rocky's language, it consists of sounds humans can't produce but otherwise works like how a human language would with nouns and verbs, so pidgin 1:1 translations are possible once they managed to establish some shared words. More or less the theme with Eridians in general is that they're not grandiose aliens that speak using abstract nonsense like the ones in Arrival, they're just people from another planet who developed relatively the same level of intelligence as humans.

>>224177051
>Point to number
>alien says alien word
>We just translated the alien language
Wow so fucking hard.

>>224175580
i really liked it, and wish hollywood still took risks with good original stories like this more often. sick to death of recycled IP's, prequels, sequels, etc etc.

>>224177010
PHM was literally light years better than The Martian. there is so much more going on and so much more at stake. much better ending too.

>>224177069
They would especially be easy to understand since Eridians seem to be a very literal and logical race, since Rocky doesn't even really get the idea of humor. So that plus them working in a purely scientific setting makes it even easier to translate since they aren't getting into abstract concepts.

>>224176986
>muh world building
Sounds like some prequel autist bullshit

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>>224177069
I'll concede the point. I had to ask Claude for more detail, but what you're saying makes sense.

>>224177124
It felt too generic sci-fi with wacky aliens. Even if it's more hard science than most.
We need more movies like The Martian or Gravity. Actual space exploration is such an underutilized subject.

>>224177186
>retard had to have AI explain it to him
Your generation is "cooked". That's the word you kids use, right?

>>224177229
you're a moron if you don't consult AI to understand things. its an excellent learning tool.

>>224177073
Didn't he point to a clock in the movie?

>here are some random squiggles arranged in a circle that has no meaning for anyone outside earth or the solar system

>>224177243
You seem to lack the ability to make inferences. Obviously there would be trial and error and repetitions to differentiate between the clock and numbers and hands and everything else. But I guess since it wasn't actually shown on screen you couldn't have imagined that happening.

>>224177243
its even funnier because the clock Rocky shows Grace is obviously incredibly alien to us. he intuits it's a clock, because he just showed Rocky a clock, but trying to decipher what the clock measures exactly would require tons of technical analysis. a clock the measures the day on a planet is also kind of meaningless without the planet.

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>>224177073
> Point to number
> Alien doesn't even have eyes
>Even if he had eyes, he would've seen a random scribble, because he wouldn't have known the concept of mathematics as we see it.
> Alien say random alien word
> Repeat
> Translation is gibberish
Great succes, faggot

>>224177282
>but trying to decipher what the clock measures exactly would require tons of technical analysis. a clock the measures the day on a planet is also kind of meaningless without the planet.
But Rocky doesn't need to know any of that for it to work. "I'll be back when this thing points at this thing" works well enough for their purpose.

>>224177278
Just felt like a very bad way of showing off the idea. Would have made way more sense to show him use knocks or drawing the number in lines then pointing to the Arabic numeral.

>>224176307
>>224176694
>>224176726
The short story Arrival is based on, Story of Your Life by Ted Chiang, is better. It's a lot heavier on technical stuff and without the Hollywood plot.

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I like the way Contact does it. it all starts with math, prime numbers, which would be universal to any number system regardless of base. a 7 is indivisible by anything by 7 and 1, regardless of whether you use decimal, hexadecimal, Babylonian base 60 or whatever. it's very elegant.

>>224176662
>she's convicted and sentenced to life without parole
But she escaped from prison so...

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>>224177188
Things used to be so simpler.

>>224177409
She hasn't escaped. They're either keeping her on a tight leash because they still need her to do things or she'll start serving her sentence after the project is finished.

>>224177362
>which would be universal to any number
As long as you start out with 10 fingers.
Or any fingers at all.

>>224176742
>>224176764
>they never released any merch of Rocky
Seems shortsighted. They should now. They should've known beforehand that Rocky is the exact kind of character women and children would love.

>>224177458
no, the point i'm making is base (how many numbers your number system has; decimal is 10 hence the 'deci' prefix; hexadecimal is 16) has no relevance to primes. if your math system has developed division, then any base system that uses real numbers would quickly discover the primes. in that sense they are universal to any species that uses math.

>>224177440
No, they’ve mentioned interviews that she escapes thanks to her contacts.
She’s a fugitive.

>>224177468
Lucas would have known what to do. did they learn nothing from him?

>>224177509
It's pretty fucking stupid to jail her anyway
>You used all the power we gave you to do the job we asked you to do
>Bake him away, toys

I don't get the comparisons to Arrival in this thread. I mean I kind of do since both movies feature communicating with aliens (but with vastly different levels of importance to the plot). But when I watched Project Hail Mary, the movie I thought of the most was Interstellar. And I think Project Hail Mary is way better than Interstellar.

>>224177340
i checked out the synopsis and i like that it just ends and there's no payoff. i still think the conceit is ridiculous, but hey, it's sci fi. i've read dumber shit.

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>>224177494
> Both aliens and humans agree about numbers
Cool. Now teach them the past simple form of the verb to be using prime numbers.

>>224177545
i've always thought interstellar was vastly overrated. it's just so annoying in so many ways, i don't give a damn if Kip Thorne was an advisor. it's a pretty movie with bad logic. Neither of the Nolans is smart enough to make compelling sci-fi.

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>>224177468
There's a Hail Mary legos set I guess but the rocky "minifig" in it is pretty shit. It's a pretty weak set in general honestly.

a little poseable scale Rocky figure would be pretty cool if they ever made one.

>>224177535
Sge did some fucked up shit like nucking Antartida.

>>224177560
not sure what you're talking about, perhaps you're not grokking the importance of primes. i'd expect nothing from a frogposter.

>>224175580
i liked it too, anon.

>>224177581
yeah that set sucks. lego sets in general are just a lot smaller. i miss the days you could get a whole castle for less than a hundred bucks.

>>224177468

>merch
It's a rock.
A fucking rock.
>poseable
someone 'avin a giggle

>>224176307
The book is the same. They go from understanding the numbers 1 to 5 to knowing 1000s of words within about 200 words

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>>224177591
Lmao, are you gay for numbers?

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>>224177747
At least the book also has them figuring out "yes" and "no" pretty much right away to show them translating some actual language

>>224177882
i wonder if 'true' or 'false' are universals.

>>224177898
in a scientific setting they would have to be. you can't have empiricism without falsifiability.

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>>224175905
FPWP
>>224175580
It's an absolutely beautiful movie that's even greater than The Martian, and has more advanced detail to attention about realistic Newtonian physics and an incredibly unique and based in reality take on alien life, but it hit a home run with general audiences so /tv/ hates it by default because there wasn't a boob scene in the first five minutes or Gosling yelling a racial slur. Ignore the retards, it's a movie that tells you your life is worth living and faggots here hate that.
>>224176307
I definitely felt that was a weaker point in the film's writing, although the film is already very long and it would have been very difficult to convey to the average person a narrative about decoding language, and most people would have probably found it boring, so it's understandable why they probably cut elements like that out that were present in the book. Most people also turn into irrational violent apes when you put subtitles on a screen too and expect them to read in a film now, because it didn't contain subway surfers footage and some retard bearded man pointing up above him in a tiktok reel. The Adventure of the Dancing Men from Sherlock Holmes comes to mind when thinking about a good story that was about decoding language.

>>224178108
>it's a movie that tells you your life is worth living
i don't think my life is worth living, honestly. but my life is shitty by choice.

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>>224178180
IMO It's more like a movie about finding someone/something you would die for if that makes you feel better

>>224175580
this guy is so dead to me, now that he looks like a Bogdanoff

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>>224178108
>so it's understandable why they probably cut elements like that out that were present in the book.
The book actually isn't any more in depth than the movie when it comes to the language stuff. It's the exact same steps you see in the movie plus the yes/no thing mentioned by >>224177882

Really the only big difference is that in the book Grace just learns how to understand Rocky's speech over time and eventually stops needing the machine translator, whereas in the movie they come up with the text-to-speech idea and use it for the entire movie.

>>224175580
Loved it.
My dad disliked it because "how the fuck did the astronaut manage to talk to the rock alien in one scene"
I needed to hold in my anger for a while

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>question: is pee stored in the balls?

>>224178650
your dad is wise, he immediately intuited something was off.

>>224178650
Your dad is half the people in this thread.

>>224178697
You got his patterns wrong. He wouldn't start a sentence with words like "is" or use words like "the", and the question goes at the end.
>pee is stored in balls, question?

>>224178876
smartest anon itt
can you answer the question

>>224175580
It was actually good but also an example of modern movies appealing to too wide of an audience. The tone was all over the place

>>224177166
no idea what the hell you think it's a prequel to, but they are great sci-fi novels.

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>>224178621

At least we can agree he has two different size eyes.

>>224175580
It's alright. Nothing to hate and had all the right arcs in all the right places.

>>224179034
I am fairly sure he means to say that >overwhelming focus on worldbuilding is a fault and it's a fault that it shares with star war prequels.

>>224179217
It's an insult to compare Tchaikovsky to Star Wars. They are on completely different levels. Children of Time is in my top 10 science fiction novels, one of the smartest and most imaginative stories i've read.

>>224179706
No one is buying your book, buy an ad.

>>224175580
too long
took 3 intermissions

>>224175580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYpWp7g7XWU

>>224175580
I'm a Chilean and the random addition of Violeta Parra's Gracias a la vida brought tears to my eyes. It's a song about the value of living, made by someone that killed herself

feels like the whole movie was made by ai. empty soulless waste of time. also fuck gosling.

>>224179740
your loss

>>224175580
Great movie, I almost let the fucks here talk me out of seeing it by saying it was Reddit.

I didn't really like the movie. Mainly because there wasn't much plot besides them learning to communicate. Darmok and Enemy Mine did it better.

>>224179822
anon, there's an entire plot about discovering why one star is not dimming like the other stars, which leads to investigating the phage etc.
the translation subplot which admittedly is a focus of this thread is like 20-30 minutes of the movie. are you sure you watched the movie? or are you just shitposting.

>>224176901
COME SEE THE THRILLING ADVENTURE OF... MAN AND ROCK STARE AT EACH OTHER WHILE WORDLESSLY TYPING ON COMPUTERS FOR SIX MONTHS.

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>>224176240
It has a silver lining of JD Vance cannot become president.

>>224179999
nice quads
he won't be president for reasons that have nothing to do with his cute wife

>>224180016
Rightists don't care that she's cute. They care that she and their children are "brown"

>>224180039
reading comprehension

I wish they had gone into more detail about Rocky's biology and conditions on his home planet and why they have xenonite but didn't know about relativity.

In the book, the atmosphere on their planet is so crushing and dark that once they invented xenonite, they didn't really have to do any materials engineering to make a spaceworthy vehicle. Their atmosphere blocked all electromagnetic signals from outside the planet (and they can't see anyway), so their research into cosmic rays and general relativity were lacking. They didn't take relativistic time dilation into account, which is why Rocky has way more fuel than he needs. They didn't know about cosmic rays, so they all died of cancer. Rocky is made mostly of metals and weighs 400 lbs - there's no oxygen in his atmosphere, so when exposed to Grace's atmosphere, both of his circulatory systems begin freezing and his lungs start rusting.

I get why they didn't go into any of this but it would have added a lot of flavor to Rocky's species

>>224179951
kino

>>224175580
This reddit faggot "science the shit out of this" doofus is NO LONGER literally me. Let it be known.

>>224175580
Why did they have to keep the shuttle within the danger area while Goose was reeling up the trap? As soon as the trap was full, they could have safely exited orbit and retrieved the trap at their leisure.

There's like 10 fucking scenes in which Gosling is crying or there's heavy emotional investment even if he's not crying
A fucking well rounded story with well written characters shouldn't have more than 2-3

>>224175580
Enjoyable but at the same time forgettable

Every /tv/ thread about a sci fi movie is anons boasting about how they are simply too smart for everything

You fags should kill yourselves en masse

>>224180770
Movie was 2:30 as is
Film has to appeal to the widest possible audience
They were smart about what they cut and what they kept

This movie had beautiful lighting. Gosling was good and elevated the material.