/tv/ was right again award

>PG feminist woke boring garbage
who was the audience?

So this 100% confirms they're bringing Snyder back, right?

>>224204969
No. It just means they aren't making a bunch of stupid shit about 1970s cartoon characters nobody cares about.

What the fuck for? They could've given the DCU some more time for the buildup towards something greater. What the fuck would you kill it in its crib for?

>>224204906
Why what happened? They realized the Gorilla Grodd courtroom drama wasn’t going to be profitable?

Dc will NEEEEEEEEVRR replicate what marvel did up until endgame

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This nigga was fucking delusional to think this could compete with Marvel

>>224204906
Why?

#restorethesnyderverse

>>224204906
>except what's already been filmed
that's where the damage is, fellas

Why is dc always flopped and failed bigly whenever they tried to make some capeshit superhero franchise?

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>>224204906
But...the message will remain white men bad, r-right?

That was fast i expected Gunn to be fired within the next year but Warner couldnt stand Gunn stupid ideas im glad we were saved of having another George Clooney Batman Gunn dont give a shit he will return to Marvel and make more Guardians of the Galaxy and Nova

>>224204969
No, they put jews in charge. They'll now only produce pro Israel propaganda Batman movies

>>224205032
just means they have to keep superman

>>224204969
HAHAHA Nope. New guy wants to make movies that his grandmother would like so nothing even remotely like the Snyderverse is going to happen ever. Reeves will be allowed to finish The Batman: Part II, but everything after will be mainly for kids.

>>224205046
no, at least nowhere near as blatantly as Lanterns

>>224204969
Why would they bring back raceswapping libtard with girlboss fetish like Snyder? They just fired his spiritual twin.

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>>224205052
We're finally getting a live action Death in the Family adaption.

>>224205053
which was absolutely devastating to the worldbuilding
and you can bet Man of Tomorrow will be even worse

>>224205052
Unironically based. Carpetbomb Gaza.

>>224205086
You lost at the ballot box

>>224205053
The main reason I never checked Gunn's stuff is because he refused to do hard reboot.

>>224205013
Amanda Waller TV show. Brilliant idea! Hey how much money did the newest Spiderman movie make again?

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>>224205094
This. Democrats won and hecking genociderino immediately stopped and all funding to Israel was cancelled.

>>224204906
SAAR BRO, RISE UP!!

The plus side of this is we're not gonna have to suffer through a second Keanu Reeves Constantine film.

James Gunn is a faggot today was a good day James Gunn Lovers are faggots they lost the real DC is finally coming back James Gunn was fired

>>224205111
It's fucking insane. Her arc in DC began with personally murdering innocent a dozen innocent people to save her own career and BRIBING Affleck's Batman to help her cover her tracks and Gunn insisted on bringing her in.

>>224205013
What the fuck was he thinking

>>224205146
>the real DC is finally coming back
Tim Burton's one?

>>224204906
KWABOTY

>>224205146
>the real DC is finally coming back
The Arrowverse?

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NOOO MUHHH HECKIN HOPECORE KINDNESS KINORINOS???

>>224204906
On the eve of another Avengers movie making $2 billion there’s simply nothing that Skydance can do to make people interested in DC movies if they reboot the franchise again. It’s not gonna happen. Every possible thing that could’ve gone wrong with this franchise went wrong. There is no remedy. Even the Batman sequel stuck in development hell probably won’t be satisfactory to most people in the end

>>224205176
All they needed to do was stick it out with the current plans and wait for the inevitable Marvel drop off again post Secret Wars. With Marvel putting all their eggs into the X-men basket, it's bound to blow up in their face like post Endgame Kang era MCU did which caused the pivot to doomsday.
Marvel is not gonna be able to pull the stunt they're doing for Doomsday again to salvage the inevitable fuck up they'll make. That's the time DC should be aggressive and pushing their best shit forward. But I suppose it's easier to kill the last remaining interest in your brand and hope another hard pivot will get you that cape-shit money before it dries up.

Not like they're gonna be able to milk Batman either once DC goes under, takes them nearly a decade to make a new Batman film now.

>>224205122
kek they're in for a surprise

>>224204993
Because they had 2 back to back flops?

>>224205201
Still not sure why they let Matt Reeves do a Batman movie in a totally separate continuity, and then barely make it marketable because it’s so self-serious. And now the sequel is stuck in hell and is taking so long to make that it outlasted Gunn’s DC entirely. Like this is just fucking comical incompetence

It'd be really funny if WB bungling DC yet again causes Legendary to part ways with them when it comes to the Monsterverse once the contract dries up.

>>224205221
They also literally just killed a guy lmao, someone got ran the fuck over with the Reevesmobile. Film was delayed again. Reeves doesnt even seem to want to do it. Pattinson is 40.

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>>224204906
KWAB

>>224205201
Marvel at least has X-Men to fall back on when the Avengers machine runs out. It might not be good but it’s something. DC literally has nothing. They have a Superman sequel that just lost all its allure knowing it won’t lead to anything afterwards. Same with the Batman sequel that has taken all decade to make and probably won’t be very good because of the clusterfuck behind the scenes. There’s nothing Skydance can do at all to salvage this brand, it will just slowly die and by 2035 or so everyone will just be watching AI generated slop on their phones instead of going to theaters anyways

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>>224204906
Clayfacebros......

>>224205240
Seriously just give it to fucking SONY. Their wacky DC mogs Snyder and Gunn.

>Gunn lost
>Drumpf lost
>Israel lost
>Snyderino won
>Indians won
>Desaturated cinematography won
>Trannies still on suicide watch
>Joker will stay raped eternally
What a timeline!

>>224205260
>Has X-Men to fall back on.
Which is the entire problem Marvel will face. The general public do not care for X-Men. They care for Hugh Jackman.
You pump out a bunch of mid X-Men movies with no Hugh and people will just see it s more of the same slop Fox put out after X-2

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>have the best Supes and Bat casting imaginable
>what do?
>can JL2; cast a dysgenic kike as Supes, and a drugged-out frump as Supette
>universe fails

>>224205286
Capeshit is just NGMI in general in the next 10 years, the actors are too old and the brands have no continuity anymore after these last big collab movies like Doomsday.

>>224205279
>>Indians won
>Indian stock markets crashes after Vivek lost

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>>224204906
>Start off pretty good with Superman
>Immediately follow it up with super chimp girl

Deserved

>>224204969
seething over Snyder matters more than ending DC's "break even" humiliation while Marvel makes $5 billion in a year

>>224205013
Why does he make his hair grey

>>224205286
They can't even get a Blade Movie out after 7 years.
MCU dies after Secret Wars.
Capeshit just ain't gonna work out anymore, it's either management nukes the stuff that can get out on time because of creative differences, or you get managements passion projects that are stuck in development hell for years that are nothing but a money sink.

The industry needs to move on and pivot to something like Kaiju films again. Monsterverse has zero competion and keeps making money

>>224205052
>They'll now only produce pro Israel propaganda Batman movies
But Snyder is evangelical, he should be a 100% man for the job.

>>224205347
To look more wise

>>224204969
Lol. Lmao. You're funny.

That Gunn nigga took relatively unknowns (The Guardians) to the big time via the MCU and thought he could do the same with DC but with massive amounts of retardation involved.

The Gunn jammed you fucking hack.

>>224204969
It doesn’t matter
Synder still won in the end

>>224204969
#RestoreTheSnyderverse is so strong i've heard they are thinking about legalizing street shitting in the USA.

>>224205013
Lmao what a fucking retard

>>224205387
>Synder still won in the end
By getting himself kicked out of netflix?

Surprised they fired him desu. Gunn still pretty respected in the industry as far as a lot of big actors are concerned. You'd think after the Disney drama they'd have learned just firing him would be more trouble than it's worth when you can just wait out the contract and not renew.

>>224205013
He will return asking for a job

>>224205176
>there’s simply nothing that Skydance can do to make people interested in DC movies
Except Cavill’s Superman vs Black Adam

>>224205394
By having his DCU immortalized as the greatest of all time

Gunn lost lol

>>224205420
>By having his DCU immortalized as the greatest of all time
Being greatest among the piles of trash leaves you with pile of trash.

>>224205418
>Except Cavill’s Superman vs Black Adam
Yeah because BvS did so well...oh wait it's made less than 100kk more than R-rated Deadpool.

>>224204906
James Gunn's biggest failing was not having a stable of qt actresses. There's Isabel Merced and.....? Monkey girl? His ugly wife? No qts, no ticket.

>>224205427
But enough about James Gunn’s DCCU

>>224205436
The trvke is that it would be made more than 616m. Getting rid of Cavill and the Rock was a mistake.

>>224205308
S-She's fast!

>>224205440
All DC attempts to compete with marvel, are piles of trash.

>>224204906
Kek. Is this the sneeds yub nub moment?

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How did he do it?

>>224205460
And all attempts to not compete with them are piles of trash too. So what are they supposed to do?

>Snyder in charge again and fully #Restored
>George Clooney is already signing contract to play Wayne/Batman
>The Bat Credit Card is canon
>Jared Leto will return as The Raped in Batman v Superman 2: Orange days
Kino is back on the menu, boys!

>>224205446
>The trvke is that it would be made more than 616m.
Doubtful considering that Cavill career went into decline just like Snyder's.

Maybe it’s time to consider DC shouldn’t have a cinematic universe

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>>224204906

Just let Disney buy DC and have Avengers/JLA in 10 years.

>>224205482
They should never make films that aren't about Batman or Superman. It's their fault for focusing almost entirely on Batman and Superman outside of comics for the past 50 years. They had their chance to diversify their IP roster and they dun blew it.

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>>224205286
Muties will do fine.

>>224205488
>Implying the Jews of Israel would ever let Big Blue go.
Superman was made by Jews and now his universe shall answer to the Jews known as Josh Greenstein and Dana Goldberg. He shall be reminded that Boravia has a right to defend itself.

>>224205496
>Superman
There is literally no point in keeping him around.

>>224205484
One thing I’ll say give Snyder’s Justice League over the Avengers is all those actors seem pretty humble and there was no resident pompous asshole.

>>224205286
>The general public do not care for X-Men.
General public didn't care about Iron Man either.

>>224205519
Batman needs someone to make fun of.

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This is the cherry on top for me. Gunnfags trying to give their guy credit for the one thing he isn’t involved in.

>>224205525
Yes and anything related to Iron Man that didn't star Robert Downey Jr has flopped.

>>224205482
They could have a really good one if theyd stop trying to be MCUlite

>>224205524
>all those actors seem pretty humble and there was no resident pompous asshole.
>Ezra Miller
Didn't he came out as "le non-binary" just to get away with harrasment accusation?

>>224205540
So they did succeed in the first place with Iron Man movie and Robert Downey Jr cast.

>>224205482
Cinematic universes aren't inherently bad. They just need to not start out with them in mind. Just make a couple of standalone movies first and if they're popular do a crossover later and when you have enough popular characters you can do a super crossover event. Stop trying to set up storylines that are going to take years to pay off and require people to watch every single entry in the series to get one single easter gee joke.

>>224205542
They couldn't

>>224205553
They also didn't have Iron Man movies for the previous 2 decades when RDJ was cast.

>>224205564
They could they just don't

>>224204906
I needed this after losing bigly in the elections. Things are going to be all right, fellow chuds.

I hear Ellison is making Gunn reshoot the Wonder Woman cameo in Man of Tomorrow. Apparently he said Gal Gadot was owed her Wonder Woman 3.

>>224205573
They would need to revamp all their main characters.

>>224204906
>use BTAS, STAS, JL, JLU, TT, BB as template
>win
Why are they so retarded at DC? Marvel basically used some sanitized version of the Ultimate universe as a light blueprint for running the MCU as well as some other stuff like Infinity Saga. It gave them a proven formula and story structure to run individual movies into events like Civil War.

DC has the best superhero universe under their belt with the Timmverse to draw from that everyone loves. You use Batman and Superman separately, then bring them together for World's Finest where they're rivals into becoming friends (and you don't shit it up by rushing into Death of Superman and The Dark Knight Returns in one movie). Then you move on to Justice League after some individual movies. It's so easy.

I mean fuck, they could have started with a Golden Age saga featuring Alan Scott, Captain Marvel, Liberty Belle, Jay Garrick. Hawk Man, to basically set up the early heroes in a fun 30's/40's setting, then move into Superman and young Clark is inspired by the stories of those golden age heroes. All they had to do was make good movies.

>>224205524
>Miller
>Leto
>Gadot
>Momoa
>humble
Comparing to them original Avengers cast is gentlemen club

>>224205585
No biggie it only takes a few people of sound mind who understand what they're working with and whomst the audience are

>>224204906
GUNNIES BTFO

>>224205347
He changed his look after getting fired from Marvel, probably to distance himself from all the drama. I wonder what his new look will be now that he's been fired from DC too lmao.

>>224205286
>The general public do not care for X-Men. They care for Hugh Jackman
That's mostly because for some reason the writers never cared about any character besides Wolverine.
First Class is the best movie because for once they actually tried developing the cast. If MCU X-Men is like First Class it'll do fine.

>>224205613
Blue-haired reddit mod no doubt

>>224205602
I still laugh about Leto spending days inside Snyder's house in joker makeup and Snyder having to beg him that it was okay to leave.

>>224205602
Hey now, all 4 of those people possess penises, unlike Jeremy Renner.

>>224205496
To be fair, nobody really gave a flying fuck about Iron Man prior to Jon Favreau.
Meanwhile the hugely popular characters/IPs (Hulk, Thor, Captain America) flopped or at best broke even for the first five or six years of the MCU.
I genuinely think the real issue with the DCU is just that the marketing department sucks dong and Gunn unfortunately somehow didn't realize that movies are sold on more than just brand recognition, but on casting, particularly casting that has some drama (positive or negative) behind it. People went to see Iron Man because of Robert Downey Jr., even though to most people he was a nobody and to the few he was an alcoholic who they were curious to see crash and burn, or alternatively to see an underdog story.
Same thing happened with Guardians of the Galaxy. Everybody thought the casting of Chris Pratt was a joke, then that promotional shot came out. Fucking Robert Pattison, who expected this dude to deliver the way he did? And Colin Farrell as The Penguin? Fucking what? People crave more than just the movie.
As much as I enjoyed him in the role, David Corenswet has nothing going on. Milly Alcock has nothing going on, besides being hot. Yes I jerked off to Supergirl, although I felt bad about it after watching the movie cause the flashback sequence is pretty sad and the only good part of the film.
On a similarly-related note, I predict the new Mummy movie to make a billy on Brendan Fraser alone, and then they'll make an unnecessary sequel that will flop worse than Tom Cruise's because nobody actually wants a fucking Mummy movie in 2026/7.

>>224205511
Mommy...

>>224205388
Not in Ohio, that's for sure.

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>>224205519
>There is literally no point in keeping him around.
Unless...

>>224205651
Iron Man had is own cartoon show, action figure line, and exposure in Secret Wars and the massively popular toy biz toy line and trading cards from the early 90s. He, like most Marvel heroes, got plenty of exposure to gen x and millennial kids.

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>>224205496
>They should never make films that aren't about Batman or Superman

>>224205603
They work with Silver Age anachronisms. Their possible audience is baby boomers and few contrarians.
At best they can try really really hard to make it into retro-wave movies, but best case scenario it would remain a niche product, comparing to generalist MCU.

>>224205308
Her looks were the least of that movie's problems.

>>224205663
He was also a playable character in several popular video games. I first leaned about Iron Man through the Captain America and the Avengers arcade game.

r8p my DCU

Phase 0 Golden Age set in 1939-41:
Captain Marvel: Shazam
Plastic Man
Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
The Flash (Jay Garrick)
Liberty Belle
Justice Society of America (Group is brought together by Wonder Woman to defeat Vandal Savage)

Phase 1 moves to modern age, Wonder Woman ties the two ages together, the original heroes will have passed away to legend but Superman is told their stories by John Kent as a kid:
Superman: Power of Hope
Batman: Year One
Aquaman: King of the Seas
Manhunter
Wonder Woman of the Amazons
The Flash: Planet of the Apes
Justice League: Legion of Doom

Phase 2:
Green Lantern: Emerald Knights
Suicide Squad
Superman: Doomsday
Green Arrow and Black Canary
Batman: Knightfall
Power Girl
Justice League: Brainiac

Phase 3:
Teen Titans: The Red Hood
Detective Chimp (featuring The Question)
Man of Tomorrow
Hawk Girl
Constantine (featuring Swamp Thing cameo, Zatanna)
Batman: RIP
Justice League: Final Crisis

Phase 4:
Jonah Hex
Batman Beyond
Static Shock
Booster Gold
Legion of Superheroes
Kingdom Come

>>224205658
What if Nicola Fuentes was wrong and groypers will end up eternally BTFO by the dem roastie?

>>224205711
Crap and unprofitable

>>224205672
Why Supersoilent is so weak? Grandpas all love him.

>>224205701
DC had many popular video games. Like Batman on NES. And Batman Returns on SNES. And...um, give me a second.

Batman on Genesis!

>>224205651
>I genuinely think the real issue with the DCU is just that the marketing department sucks dong
Nope. it's not about marketing, it's about management. That's Feige did, he cobbled a pipeline and make sure it runs smooth. He found actors, who know how to act, he found directors who know how to make a serviceable movies and he made sure none will throw a retarded tantrum.

>>224205711
Not enough black female representation, it would never sell.

>>224205726
>Grandpas all love him.
But not the youth. Spidey's their man.

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>>224205625
>They're not bringing back James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender
Shan't be watching, not even for Adam Driver.

>>224204906
Gunnsaars, our response?

>>224205711
>450 trillions and 50 years to make

>>224205711
>Phase 0 Golden Age set in 1939-41:
>Captain Marvel: Shazam
>Plastic Man
>Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
>The Flash (Jay Garrick)
>Liberty Belle
>Justice Society of America (Group is brought together by Wonder Woman to defeat Vandal Savage)
Nigga. START WITH BATMAN

>>224205576
>Implying chuds lost
Tel Aviv Trump lost because he sold out chuds in favour of (((Israel)))

>>224205732
Did you ignore the rest of the post lol? The MCU wasn't making returns on any of its IPs other than Iron Man, which by the way the "actor who can act" that carried that film and its subsequent sequels as well as The Avengers was entirely Jon Favreau's doing, not Feige.

>>224205747
Its over. When im done defecating in my street im gonna go tickle a tigers balls so I can meet Vishnu

>>224204906
DC should just be batman and superman every 10 years staggered so theres new every 5. maybe toss in a justice league here and there if you got a good villian for it

>>224205013
Most of these ware cancelled long ago. Im no comic book expert but The Authority sounded interesting.

What plans? He changed his slate like 3 times

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Bring Back Snyder.

>>224205764
>The Avengers was entirely Jon Favreau's doing, not Feige.
Who hired Favreau in the first place?

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>>224204906
Henry Cavill won.

>>224205785
Yeah I'm sure Snyder's dying to return to this shitshow

>>224205013
Keep Superman. Drop Supergirl for a Woman Woman movie Supergirl is a supporting character in. Drop the glup shittos. Completely rewrite Lanterns with Hal as the hero. Keep Swamp Thing, have Constantine in it. The Authority is like a whole other universe, your worldbuilding is confusing enough Gunn.

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>>224204906
ohohohoho
hihihihihihi

How many days ago do you think the firing took place? Cause they released that pre-recorded Suicide Squad will it canon thing where Gunn talks about planning some more stuff and that the DCU Batman will likely be cast soon at the end of October.
I feel like 6 days ago.

>>224205785
Cool, so toxic DC fans can bully his other daughter into the next dimension.

>>224204969
I want Snyder back because it'll mean DC will die even quicker lol

>>224205799
>Drop the glup shittos.
That's literally all DC characters except of Batman

>>224205717
Better than intentionally falling on the sword.

>>224205482
>Maybe it’s time to consider DC shouldn’t have a cinematic universe
I think the problem is that the DC Universe is more fantastical than the Marvel Universe.
Let me explain before you start complaining.

Marvel:
>Captain America fights Nazis and terrorists.
>Iron Man fights terrorists and evil businessmen.
>Black Widow fights other spies.
>Hawkeye fights criminals and spies.
>Hulk fights the army.
>Thor fights fantasy beings.

Now let’s look at DC:
>Superman fights aliens, gods, and interdimensional beings.
>Wonder Woman fights gods and mythological beings.
>Flash has more mundane enemies, but they possess ridiculous powers.
>Batman fights criminals, but also psychopathic, costumed doctors.
>Aquaman deals with mythological beings.
>Cyborg, I don’t know; he’s just the Black guy on the team.

Zaslav gaslighting Cavill in to giving up the last film in his contract for the Black Adam cameo was pretty fucky, but Gunn thinking he could do a reboot without actually rebooting everything was retarded

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>>224205613
they're scrubbing the old pictures fast lmao when you search up james gunn every picture is 16 hours ago at the latest when he dyed his hair

>>224205711
Highly based selection, give this neckbeard a blank check budget and full studio control.

>>224204993
>noooo don't close the flop factory
>it would bring profit in less than 20 years, I swear

>>224205807
My gut instinct is that Skydance execs seen the podcast and how badly he came across in trying to justify his position and approach to DC that they lost all faith. That podcast was a rambling mess where it was clear he had no goddamn idea what he was doing in terms of the canon.

>>224205808
You're retarded if you think that's what happened.

>>224205807
Nicholas Hoult is screening for Bond since last week, his agent probably found out that Hoult's gonna be free to commit to another long-term franchise soon so end of October at the latest.

>>224205826
He has an extremely disturbing stare.

>>224205819
>I think the problem is that the DC Universe is more fantastical than the Marvel Universe.
Yeah escept DC fantastic is literally low bar of the fiction.

>>224205838
Listening to her insane dad endlessly rant about Ayn Rand would do it

>>224205839
>Nicholas Hoult is screening for Bond since last week
kek I hope he gets the role so this charisma vacuum can kill another franchise.

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>>224204906
The absolute fucking state of DC cinematic universe.

>Gunn and Safrans crowing achievements were The Suicide Squad (bomb), Shazam (literally heralded the downturn of DC), and executive meddling Aquaman 2 and Flash in to disasters
>They gave them the green light to guide the franchise
I'd be keen to see what the fuck the thinking was here. Did they really think the astroturfed critical reception for TSS would translate in to actual fan appeal?

>>224205767
>Not challenging the juggernaut
Never gonna get reincarnated outside India, saar

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Superman 2025 and Bumblebee are pretty much the same

>reboot from franchise that was popular but hated by online critics and fanboys/soiboys
>release to forced shill narrative of how it's so much better than the prior movies (because it has less problematic elements, ie masculinity)
>movie is a financial bomb, the general audience doesn't care because they removed the elements they found previously appealing
>online soiboys damage control by blaming it all on the prior movies and claiming that surely the sequels will do much better now that its "reputation" has been saved
>makes the franchise fade to irrelevancy and the studio loses millions of dollars

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>>224205711
>Phase 0 Golden Age set in 1939-41:
You forgot Wildcat.

>>224205484
None of them has a cereer anymore kek

>>224205482
They had the animated universe back in the day which worked wonderfully. The problem has been gaylord faggot executives in WB who want their way, and their way is gay and cringe. They finally got it with James Gunn and it flopped.

>>224204969
>Put Snyder back in
>His movies flop too
Do it, I fucking dare you

>>224205046
Of course, always. It's integral into the most fundamental layer of Hollywood

>>224204906
dc legit may be fucking cursed

>>224205557
>Cinematic universes aren't inherently bad
Yes, they fucking are and they cause more problems than it's really worth.
Even the ancient crossover mania was better than this shit, I mean those all "Terminator vs Tarzan" comics.

>Momoa touches the Snyderverse
>Snyderverse crashes and burns
>Momoa touches the Gunnverse
>Gunnverse crashes and burns.
I'm noticing. The GoT curse still continues.

>>224205785
And flop again?
And face universal rejection again?
And making the IP even more unprofitable?

>>224205122
Checked but doubtpilled

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>>224205347
>>224205613
>See? I'm a completely different person now! I don't make jokes about raping children anymore! Look, I even have white hair! That means I'm mature and have grown as a person! I've learned my lesson, changed my appearance, and put all that behind me. This is the new me! Please ignore everything that happened before!

>>224205146
>the real DC is finally coming back
The Animated Series?

>>224205922
It's not course, just time.

>>224205146
the pre-flashpoint continuity?

>>224205146
>the real DC is finally coming back
Young Justice again?

>>224205826
If you search "James Gunn fired from Marvel jokes," you'll find pictures of him from before he dyed his hair.

>>224204969
They should bring him back to do Justice League 2 and 3, then they can market the Snyderverse stuff as a complete story on streaming services etc. The biggest issue with DC is there is barely any conclusion to anything they do
>Green Lantern had to follow up and isn't canon to DCEU
>Plot elements from Snyderverse abandoned
>Plot elements from Hamadaverse abandoned
>Plot elements from Black Adam etc abandoned
>Looks like all the Harley Quinn and Superman (reboot) stuff is gone
>All the TV shows aren't complete stories
It's been nearly 20 years of this. If there was ONE complete story they could at least market that to ensure ROI for years to come, but at the moment you can't just go out and watch/buy something like the Avengers box sets for the phases. The last time this existed was the Nolan Trilogy.

>>224205819
>I think the problem is that the DC Universe is more fantastical than the Marvel Universe.
This is more a framing problem than inherent.

Superman started off leaping tall buildings and punching bank robbers, but James Gunn decided to start off his new DC universe with Superman battling extradimensional beings, surfing antimatter rivers, fighting his own clone, etc, etc, etc. Most of Batman's best stories are ground level detective comics and street level stories. Wonder Woman is a fantasy setting character like Thor (they took a while to get one Thor movie right).

DC worked perfect in its cartoon universe form in the 90's and 00's because the characterization and framing of the storytelling lent itself to a simpler time period. BTAS and STAS had sort of this 50's/60's aesthetic while also being modern day, and they told simple stories.

We can reframe MCU too:
>Iron Man uses a scifi tech suit to fight a big machine guy with infinite fusion energy
>Thor battles interdimensional gods and frost giants
>Captain America gets superhuman serum powers and fights an evil secret Hydra organization with laser guns and another superhuman whose skull is read
>Hulk fights a massive abomination monster

Thing is, the way they started out these stories (except for Thor which sucked) was actually enjoyable.

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>>224205929
>>224205918
Are you ok Gunnjeet?

>>224205819
Exactly. This is 100% spot on. Gunnverse (and Snyder for that matter) completely misunderstand the concept of raising the stakes and going from mundane and normal to fantastical and epic. MCU worked only because it was GROUNDED IN REALITY since the start. Can everything be started grounded without origin stories? Idk.

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>>224205484
>brown Aquaman
>tranny Flash
>Biden's dickholder
>one of the biggest DEI proponents in the industry

>>224205986
Superheroes that aren't Spider-Man can't sell without turning them into action heroes.

>>224205965
the biggest issue was Snyder and anything he made
nobody wants that shit

>>224205973
A friend pointed out to me that Superman has all the same problems BvS had without an "Ultimate Edition" to tie it all in. BvS was written and produced to set up 5-6 films, of which we really only got Wonder Woman, Aquaman and ZSJL. Ayer Cut apparently dove in to some of the Batman back story that BvS teased. My issue with the Superman reboot is they introduced wayyy too many characters and the vast majority of them just weren't interesting. It was like they were trying to setup the entire franchise while going out of their way to ignore or downplay the main character as much as possible. This is a problem that BvS had where it focused more on Batman than Superman, while also introducing a universe consisting of a politically minded Lex Luthor, remnants of Kryptonian tech, teasing Flashpoint/Knightmare timelines, Robin dying, Batman snapping mentally, Wonder Woman in exile, Cyborg, Aquaman and Zod's resurrection. Of all these plot points maybe 3 were followed up on in subsequent films. It doesn't feel like the Superman reboot was even going to do half of that, given the direction Lanterns went.

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>>224205974
Are you ok consolewarrior

>>224204906
>spent way too much time invested in what the DCEU would become
>spent way too much time lamenting it died

>Superman comes out
>Gunn announces a billion projects
>Have massive deja vu
>Decide to ignore the entire DCU
>It dies

I honestly feel great knowing I didn't waste my time again. I'll also make sure not to invest myself in their next universe.

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>>224206008
Ezra Miller is a tranny, they said it themselves. They were screaming at cops to use their correct pronouns while cops were arresting them. Go cry to libtard Snyder for hiring them as Flash.

>>224206027
both versions of BvS are unwatchable and the idea that they are any different is just a cope

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>ruin their Snyderverse by trying to fast track to their Civil War event before having any individual movies for characters
>kill off your Snyderverse by ruining Justice League
>but wait actually there's still Aquaman, Black Adam, Blue Beetle, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker ties into the old universe
>we're going to carry forward some of the old universe still
>okay also there's The Batman which isn't part of the new universe
>and Joker and Joker 2
>The Penguin is part of The batman not Gunnverse
>now we've got two Gunn movies, Superman and Supergirl, but Supergirl bombed who could have seen that coming
>oh yeah Aquaman is Lobo now
>okay now we're filming Superman 2 and Wonder Woman will be in it
>oh shit nah Gunn is out now
Literally what are you fucking doing? Who is running this shit? How do you possibly fuck up marketing this badly? All you needed was one cohesive universe from the start. How retarded are these people? How do you fuck up this badly with flop after flop and make the general audience not care about Superman, the previously most popular superhero of all time? DC should be able to print money.

Destroy everything. Wait five years. Launch an actual movie universe. Stop trying to play catch up with Marvel by skipping out on building your character stories and jumping straight to crossover events. Hire Paul Dini and Bruce Timm and don't let Geoff Johns anywhere near it.

Lastly, give us a hot Mary Marvel solo movie about her being my gf.

>>224206040
2014-2016 was when my interest in DC peaked. After Josstice League and everything that came after I just haven't cared. Haven't been able to bring myself to watch Snyder League because I'm 90% sure it's just going to be blue balling.

>>224205013
Out of all people involved, Gunn should've known 90% of his projects would get canned. WB panicked hard when Man of Steel didn't make a billion; why would he think WB would give him free reign after Superman made LESS money?

>>224206050
If BvS is unwatchable then Superman must be a level of shit well beyond it.

>>224206055
and none of them ever thought to try making a good movie...
amazing

>>224206071
Man of Steel was pretty bad but I wouldn't go that far.

>>224206027
Superman is even worse strictly because the world it's setting up has absolutely no intrigue. The Ultra man stuff was retarded and somehow Hoult is even less charismatic than Eisenberg.

>>224205013
...paradise lost? what would that be adapting?

>>224206071
>BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT OTHER BAD THING
fuck off, console warrior

snydershit flopped becasue it was dogshit and nobody liked it
gunnshit flopped too.

got anything else to add, you mentally ill brand warrior?

>>224205965
If they stuck it out at literally any point in this journey they'd have made a lot more money. When DC is no longer a trusted brand because you've spent 20 years chopping and changing plans, that's on the leadership. There's no reason to get invested in DC because it doesn't respect your time.

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>>224206082
Wonder Woman. It was the Wonder Woman TV show focused on the Amazons

>>224206091
>>BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT OTHER BAD THING
>fuck off, console warrior
Imagine replying to a post directly comparing BvS and the Superman reboot then getting butthurt when the comparison is continued. Are you low IQ?

>>224205045
trying to turn their characters and universe into something they aren't is a long lived DC tradition, it started in the 90s, if not the 80s

>>224206071
NTA but Superman was just a nothingburger.

BVS was fucking atrociously insulting.
>Jesse Eisenberg's entire performance and his retarded plot that made absolutely no sense
>introducing Wonder Woman in the Batman and Superman movie
>putting Doomsday in the fucking Batman and Superman movie
>killing and resurrecting Superman in the second movie in the new franchise
>burning Death of Superman and Dark Knight Returns in the second movie
>Martha
>Batman hovering obviously in a corner
>Gal Gadot's entire performance and casting

The only good parts of BVS were:
>Batman fucking up the guys in the warehouse
>Batman in power armor fighting Clark for the first bit, great visuals
>Batman coming into the Bat Cave and taking off the cowl and just hanging out with Alfred
>Jeremy Irons Alfred
>Batman branding dudes

They should have just made a Ben Affleck Batman solo movie, but they wanted to do something to fast track Justice League.

>>224205007
Thanks God

>>224206057
Same, except I watched ZSJL on release night, then again a week later, plus I bought the 4K box. If you don't want the blue balling, you could just stop watching before the last 20 minutes of newly shot footage.

>>224206108
>10 years later
>anon still seething about Martha

>>224205045
Because DC has been tied to a parent company with decades of worth of passed down debt, that gets cold feet whenever they think they won't get closer to paying off said debt.
That's always gonna cause more issues on the Movie side of thing because the parent company is mainly a movie company. It's why CW flew under the radar and got away with doing what ever it wanted for years with just a few off-limits characters like Batman.

>>224205288
>have great superman cast, who cannot actually act, and awful everyone else, have shit director, costumes, writing, portrayal, adaptation and everything else
fixed

>>224206108
BvS is one of the best capeshit movies ever produced.

>>224206133
>BvS is one of the best capeshit movies ever produced.
Good joke

>>224205799
The DC fandom is clear that they want Henry Cavill's Superman. He probably still wants it too despite everything that happened. However, I don't think the snyderverse can be restored at this point. It's too far gone and a monumental mess considering everything with how the story got butchered early on by the endless WB meddling and the several Harley Quinn offshoot movies, plus all the actors' statuses now. It's unrealistic and not worth it. What they could do is a brand new snyderverse in which Cavill Superman is already an established figure, with an all new cast of characters. Ones that should have a place in it if they want back would be Ben Affleck, Grace Currey, and Antje Traue. I think Ben is totally sick of it though.

>>224205470
not hiring snyder, to begin with

>>224206145
>The DC fandom is clear that they want Henry Cavill's Superman.
Stopped reading there.
No DC fan is a snydertard

>>224206027
If you think about it, the whole "introducing a million characters" part is worse in Superman. BvS at least was the second one; Man of Steel didn't introduce anyone outside strictly Superman-only characters, and half of them wouldn't even come back.

>>224206145
>The DC fandom is clear that they want Henry Cavill's Superman.
Too bad DC fandom cannot make box office to satisfy their based and redpilled bosses.

>>224206145
>The DC fandom is clear that they want Henry Cavill's Superman
And Cavil's clear he isn't gonna come back to DC now that he's got his pet project Warhammer

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>>224206113
Snyder's Flash.

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>Marvel
>near bankrupt in the 90's
>gets forced to sell off movie rights to their most popular, lucrative characters
>decides to try to cobble together a movie series using their B-listers
>makes it work by establishing strong actors and characters in simple stories, preparing to join them together in an ambitious crossover
>it pays off
>eventually get big enough to buy back their original characters and start incorporating them again

>DC
>making bank off of Batman in the 90's
>dominating video games and cartoons
>get massive hit Dark Knight in '08
>see Marvel doing a cinematic universe
>have the opportunity to use all their biggest most popular superheroes right from the start
>fuck it all up
>try again
>fuck the shit right out of it all over again
>have to try again again

It's truly a Greek tragedy. The ones who had to make do with what they had were forced to be creative and calculating, and the ones who were enriched with lavish opportunity squandered it. What a lesson to be learned.

You know, December would be the perfect moment to release the Ayer Cut.

I’m so tired of capeshit. I’m so tired of Superman and Iron Man and Spider-Man and all these other spandex sops.

But if there’s something I’m really exhausted on is telling me the same story again, and again, and again. We’ve had how many renditions of Superman in the last 20 years? Batman? We already had a Justice League and it was famously bad. People need to know when they don’t have a story they really want to tell and just let it lay. Forever, if it needs to. Give me a new story, with honesty and passion. Give me something a director actually wanted to make. Megalopolis and Avatar are two sides of the same coin and that’s the only coin I want to spend these days.

>>224206125
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?!

>>224206160
DC fandom left for good many years ago. Whoever lurks around modern dc products is someone else entirely and true, there aren't enough of them to make this shit profitable

>>224206129
Maybe DC should just go back to the CW. Can the movies so they can do what ever they want with the full catalogue of DC's characters

RIP DC.

You always were losers.

>>224206181
XD hecking upvooted!

>>224206175
>Megalopolis and Avatar are two sides of the same coin and that’s the only coin I want to spend these days.
That's another "no thanks" from me, but agree about the rest

What a mess. What are they going to do, reboot Superman a third time?

>>224206198
There's 2 options:

-Reboot the entire thing, survive on The Batman until the next universe
-Make new movies/sequels like the DCEU did from 2016, meaning, make sure there's no end goal, no big villain all the movies are slowly moving toward to, keep connections between movies to a minimum, have some small cameos here and there so people know it's still the same universe.

Both options suck.

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>Skydance co-CEO Ynon Kreiz

who could have seen this coming???

>>224206198
They'd be hard pressed to find any big name producer or Director with confidence in Paramount to risk tainting their reputation with touching DC again.
I'd be surprised if they could find anyone willing to do another Batman trilogy with how Paramount's already burning bridges with the industry.

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oh god, they are going to relaunch for the fourth time into a new cinematic universe, kek

i think DC does good tv and good cartoons, they just seemed to his a string of bad luck after nolans batmans, can you believe the modern era was kicked off by dc and not marvel

Marvel had a good 2010s, but has been in decline in the 2020s as zoomers see capeshit as millennial slop and tuned out after end game. The fate of comic book movies rests on whether marvel doomsday will flop or not. if it does then cape shit in general is over

all of this kind of sucks, i grew up on DC and was more of a dc fan, teen titans, batman and superman animated series, justice league. my childhood was DC cartoons, too bad they screwed themselves on making the jump to movies

>>224205347
If you don't bleach your hair grey, then it just looks kinda yellow, and I don't mean yellow like blond, I mean dirty uneven splotches of piss on a mattress under a synagogue yellow.

>>224206249
>i think DC does good tv and good cartoons,
They did in the 90s. 30 years ago.

cartoons aren't exactly great these days.

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4th must be the charm DCbros. Right?

>>224206169
>It's truly a Greek tragedy. The ones who had to make do with what they had were forced to be creative and calculating, and the ones who were enriched with lavish opportunity squandered it. What a lesson to be learned.
And history will repeat itself, again and again and again, because no one wants to read a history book!

>>224206257
This. Even Young Justice sucked when it came back from cancelation.

Superman was expected to break a billion, it barely got halfway there.

Supergirl was expected to beat Brand New Day ($2.5 billion) couldn't even make the budget back in the box office, so that's a -$100M loss.

Clayface was expected to make as much money as Obsession. It didn't come close.

Only Snyder ever made money.

>Snyderverse kills DC as a brand so hard that Lego fully drops DC outside of Batman
>Gunnverse starts picking up momentum and Lego tests the water with another Superman set before deciding to commit to a Daily Planet set to tie into MoT next year
>Gunn proceeds to get ousted soon after.
Talk about Monkey Paw

>>224205052
Nigga, capeshit IS a jewish medium.

>>224206332
Sure it did anon

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>>224204906
The reason all these cinematic universes are failing is that they're too scared to be dicking down theaters with 10 movies in 4 years lile Marvel was doing at their peak.
You get no momentum, Supergirl should have been in theaters 3 months after Superman when everyone was still doing horny fanart of her and it would have easily done $500M

>>224206332
>Supergirl was expected to beat Brand New Day
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

>>224206332
nolan batman made money and were huge event movies.

DC should just spam batman movies like sony spams spiderman movies. also get a visoanry director like nolan again

>>224206332
>Superman was expected to break a billion
That's the thing tho: why? Why would THE FIRST MOVIE in the entire universe break a billion? It took Marvel 5 years to get there, and that was an assemble movie. You can't even argue "well it's Superman, a popular character", because Batman is arguably more popular and he didn't break a billion, and this was right after an entire cinematic universe where Batman never got a billion. If anything, WB should've assumed it wouldn't happen after a movie with Superman AND Batman "only" made 800m.

>>224206361
NTA but he's half right. Snyder's DC movies did generate more revenue in comparison. Post-Snyder movies pretty much all paled in comparison, except for Aquaman for whatever reason.

>>224206378
Ben Affleck as geriatric Bruce in a Batman Beyond trilogy?

>>224206364
>they're too scared to be dicking down theaters with 10 movies in 4 years
Considering Marvel has spent 6 years releasing duds, they're right to be scared.

>>224206381
Inflation. If Batman was released today it would've made a billion. Even MoS made a billion with todays inflation.

>>224206400
ben afflleck as old man bruce in the dark knight returns would be the most fitting

>>224206400
I'm honestly fully expecting a The Dark Knight returns movie in 20 years or so, just because by that point WB will see that some people are nostalgic enough about Affleck and Cavill to get excited to see them again as old versions of their characters. It would be better than what they did with Keaton at least.

A snyderchud just fucked my wife...

>>224205482
It seems like executives will want something with instant returns, and are utterly confounded when it doesn't work. Every time. But instead of thinking that they might be the problem, at any point, they just fire and start from scratch looking for that instant billion dollar high.

It's like they want some auteur director genius to come in and make something that gives them a 10 to 1 profit margin. Like how Burton's Batman was made for 48 million, and made 400 million. They want THAT kind of return. And as soon as they don't get it, they scrap and start over, thinking that the audiences are retards and sheep who will watch whatever.

It's a fascinating study on the utter divorcement from reality that people can have.

>>224206381
>Why would THE FIRST MOVIE in the entire universe break a billion?
Because Spidey 2002 made a billion after Inflation and kept making more with each sequel.

>>224206417
>ben afflleck as old man bruce in the dark knight returns would be the most fitting
Do both. TDKR as the first movie and Beyond as the second.

>>224206476
Spider-Man is the most popular superhero in the entire world and was even before that movie came out.

>>224204962
>I don't know what any of those words mean but I gotta fit in.
Booooring.

>>224206476
Spider-man is literally a franchise by itself. I think the real problem is that corpos don't see that he's a massive exception to the rule.

>>224204969
Almost certainly. They have no choice now.

>>224206467
Gunn would probably like that

>>224204906
It was because of the Skydance merger you fucking dumbass retard.

>>224206492
It's because Spider-man fans will eat up shit put on their plate as long as it's in a spider-man costume. Look at how bad his comics have been for decades yet they still sell despite the fanbase doing nothing but complaining.

Corpos wanna believe every other big name super-hero will also let them put shit on a plate constantly and have it sell, unfortunately it simply won't.

>>224206492
>I think the real problem is that corpos don't see that he's a massive exception to the rule.
Yeah >>224205672

>>224205484
Better times.

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>>224204969
>So this 100% confirms they're bringing Snyder back, right?
No. Gunn is still involved he just won't have complete creative control like he used to have. He will finish Superman and Batman and he will still be a writer for the majority of content.

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>>224206513
>Spider-man fans will eat up shit put on their plate as long as it's in a spider-man costume
Nah

>>224206513
>spider-man fans

No. There aren't that many Spider-Man fans. I think you mean normies. Non-comic book readers. Non-autists. Normies will eat up any shit you put on their plate as long as it's in a spider-man costume. But autists will as well, of course.

>>224206408
A low end Marvel movie in the 2020s makes around $400M-$500M (Eternals, Captain America, Thunderbolts) while a high end one makes $800M-$1B (Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, Deadpool), with Spider-Man having just made $2.5B, so I'm not really sure what they have to be scared of.
What they should really be scared of is releasing a solo Supergirl movie, having that be their only big release for the entire year and it not even making its budget back because nobody cares about Supergirl anymore.

>>224206513
No man, it's not 'Spider-man fans", the character is just stupidly and extremely popular with kids. Kids will go crazy over spidey merch even if they've never seen or read a single one of his stories. He's that kind of iconic character.

>>224206491
dilate nigga

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All the problems can be traced back to not killing the Batman Reevesverse in the crib. You know for sure The Rock would've axed that shit first chance he could so they could get Batman films out with Black Adam in it.
Unfortunately Gunn respects Reeves and was willing to wait several years to use Batman instead of just saying sorry Reeves, we need to do Batman now your shit is over.

>>224204906
This is the best thing that could possible happen for DCU
Normies act like it's the end of the world

Gunn's DCU doesn't have anything to dismantle. It's just a bunch of random stories that was not building towards anything. Snyder at least had a story set up but Gunn's DCU is like Star Wars, random shit you hope the general public does not hate.

>>224206521
Please no. Keep him away. Hes had his time admittedly GotG were great but I for one dont need that faggot stinking up anything marvel related moving forward.

>>224206543
>Kids will go crazy over spidey merch even if they've never seen or read a single one of his stories. He's that kind of iconic character.
And the adults who grew up with him get that feeling too.

>>224206557
>Normies act like it's the end of the world
I checked Twitter for the normie response, and most don't seem to care. There sure is a lot of people complaining about Snyder tho.

>>224206561
Snyder's plans were pretty much getting dismantled with Suicide Squad and that one Wonder Woman post credits scene they got rid of. By 2016, the plan was dead, then we got 6 years of unrelated stories, similar to what Gunn did.

>>224206571
This. James Gunn doesn't have any fans. They're all just Snyder haters.

>>224206531
They did everything they could to hurt the potential for a Supergirl movie. Bad timing, bad marketing, horrible story and script. That was like 95% the producers fucking shit up very badly and 5% the character's general reception.

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>>224204906
Finally the woke soi hera of DC's Gunn is over.

India won. Stay mad timmies.

>>224206593
>makes fun of ARYANdia
>gets fired
YUP.

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>>224204906
>be a failure that loses hundreds of millions of dollars
>still get paid egregiously either way

I could have done this by spending 1000 dollars filming Superman taking a shit and it would have lost less money than Gunn.

>>224206587
Didnt help the actress making stupid statements and well let's be honest being a fucking ugly cunt did her no favours

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>>224204906
Based.Pedos go directly to Naraka Loka

>>224204906
But the supergoyschizo spent all of 2025 telling me Superman was a success and that the box office didn't matter because it revived faith in the brand?

>>224204906
>90% of Gunn's "plan" was movies and series focussed on obscure characters nobody gives a shit about
>Dismantling his retarded "plan" is framed as a bad thing