>Ellison made during Skydance's employee town hall: "We are not here to preserve the status quo. We are here to build for what comes next.">Clayface was a factor in the end of Gunn's DCU, as its box office haul, while "respectable," is "not what Skydance is looking to get out of the franchise." >As one producer put it, "James seemed to be focused on the corniness of 1950s DC. He had to adjust from the abject failure of the Zack Snyder era, but I don't think people wanted cornball.">The first is that DC Studios will have a far quieter presence on social media compared to Gunn, who was known for being a very vocal online presence and carried that over to his time as co-CEO," the trade writes, adding, "What insiders also expect Latcham to do – by mandate of Ellison – is to get the Justice League back on the big screen as soon as possible.">"No more Polka Dot Men or even modestly known heroes like Supergirl," the piece notes. "Latcham will be expected to get films for Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash and other heavyweights going in the years ahead."https://www.thewrap.com/creative-content/movies/dc-studios-why-james-gunn-peter-safran-fired-jeremy-latcham/?
>we can't create stories people will want to see so we'll rely on nostalgia
Not like it'd matter if Clayface or Supergirl did well. Ellison was already planning to give Gunn the boot before the buyout was even finalized.Why would he keep Gunn around for DC when he can just hire a yes-man who'll drag the brand into the ground but just the way he specifically wants? In the end Gunn made a film that could be seen as anti Israel propaganda and the pro Israel company gave him the axe, any other justification is an excuse made to save face for the new bosses Greenstein and Goldberg
>>224210530many such cases
>>224210492>He had to adjust from the abject failure of the Zack Snyder eraWasn't this literally their most profitable era
>>224210612Lol
they will fail, too
I can just imagine Gunn pitching his Polka Dot Man prequel show to Ellison and in that he knew what had to be done.
>>224210635Suicide squad, Aquaman, mos, bvs, WW all made more money than every subsequent era. More than hamada or Gunn. Nice try
>>224210530Nostalgia for what?
>>224210492>He had to adjust from the abject failure of the Zack Snyder era>Make money = FailureAnother reboot in few years
this new dude better get Sydney Sweeney as Powergirl
>>224210635WW alone has generated more profit than all of Gunns DC projects.
>>224210492Leaning into the inherently absurd kitsch nature of comics was a good idea and a way to differentiate themselves from Marvel. Obviously centering B/C list jobbers was never going to work but the shift in tone could've paid off. DC is never going to be Marvel so stop trying. Marvel isn't even Marvel anymore. We're way past the high water mark at this point.
>>224210561>>Goldberg>Dana Goldberg served as a producer on the Netflix spy-action thriller Heart of Stone, which starred and was co-produced by Gal Gadot through her production company, Pilot Wave.The IDF send their regards, Mr Gunn.
It just doesn't make any sense why DC can't have good movies. Why is everything always a disaster with them?
>>224210710curry filled hands typed this
>>224210492Gunn getting fired gives me Hope for a better Tomorrow.
>>224210667Man of Steel and Batman v Superman cratered their second weekend meaning audiences didn’t like it. The only thing audiences took away from those movies was “stop my invincible son” and “Martha” (don’t fucking @ me with “you just didn’t get it” bullshit it was fucking goofy as fuck). Building a “cinematic universe” on grounds the general audience hated is retarded.
>>224210492Are you telling me that insulting your customers is not a winning idea?
>>224210708more like the entire company going bankrupt in a few years
>>224210492If they didn't cancel Aquaman they'd still have something to hold on to. Sure Aquaman 2 may suck because of Amber Heard but it still made money despite the negativity.
>>224210708If he made money why’d the dump him?It’s never enough money you fucking shareholder brained moron
>>224210710>"No more Polka Dot Men or even modestly known heroes like Supergirl>They better get Powergirl
>>224210636If their product is good, I will see it. If their product hates me I will not. Shrimple as.
>>224210770>waaaaaaaaah waaaaaah I can’t handle bantz waaaah waaaaahFuck your feelings indeed
>>224210783you lost nazi
Easy win for them going forward. Adapt the absolute universe. Big budget Absolute Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Easy money.
>>224210710Nah they should reboot Supergirl with Sydney Sweeney
>>224210776This is what I don’t understand about the “Snyder was successful!” argument. WB was desperate for something to compete with the MCU if Snyder was as successful as they claim why did they nuke the entire brand to shitcan him and not just let him keep going? Is it because both of his movies had a 70% second weekend drop and its biggest pop culture impact was “MARTHA” memes?
>>224210803>gunn getting fired is actually losing.
DC movies about to go through what Lego did with needing to put other characters in Batman sets just for them to even be in the hands of the people.Next 10 years will be Batman. 2 Bat 2 Man. Batman and Robin, Featuring Superman.Batman The Final Chapter Batman Begins AnewBatman Part 6: Jason Todd LivesBatman Part 7: The New RobinBatman takes GothamBatman vs Joker
>>224210765It was the reviews that scared people off. Even with the memes and bad critic reviews, the movies still did better than Gunn's movies, who had the media, the shills, and the critics on his side
>cornball Gunn fired because he couldn't stop arguing with randos on twitterLMAO
>>224210713And fucking Captain Marvel generated more money for Disney than the first Batman/Superman movie did for WB
>>224210877Of course it did it’s a great movie. Better than that dreck
>>224210861>It was the reviews that scared people offThat could be true if the first weekend didn’t make money but it did. It didn’t crater till the second weekend. Meaning people saw it and hated it, didn’t bother to see it again, and told their friends not to bother with it.
>>224210765And yet all still made more money than anything in the 2 eras after
>>224210863kek
>>224210492People only care about batman Nobody cares about flash or wonder woman or green lantern or even aquaman
>>224210910>my dead grandpa mogs yoursThat’s nice.
>>224210923It is nice. Gunnfags on suicide watch of their flop universe
>>224210883Fuck off retard.
>>224210612>>224210667They made money because audiences were champing at the bit for capeshit during that time and DC was on sort of a drought leading up to that point. Uwe Boll or the weirdo who lives at the end of your block could have shit out movies during that era and made the studio bank. All because of the time, not their skills.
>>224210750>why is everything always a disaster with them?Marvel was able to do what it did because Feige was there the whole time thru like twenty years. Building any sort of “cinematic universe” is going to require years of commitment. WB went thru like ten regime changes in the time Marvel pulled off their cinematic universe and each regime change said “nah, we’re not gonna do what the last guys were doing we’re gonna do something different”. So every couple years the rug gets pulled out and they start over. Eventually, especially with the MCU petering out, audiences are going to stop caring. Superman pulling in $600 million was honestly a miracle considering the mess WB’s DC movies have been for the last decade.
>>224210935lol suck on your Snyder cut, cuck
>>224210750It's because the recent string of directors refuse to play it straight. It's a great universe with lots of good stories but these directors all want to immediately veer off into strange directions. Tell classic stories, check the box office success **and then** make whatever weirdness you want to be known for
>>224210877Apples to oranges lad.
>>224210934This got me thinking, what is it about Snyder that inspired such retarded zealotry? I really don’t think anyone’s going to be spamming “#restorethegunnverse” just like there wasn’t “restore the Raimiverse” spam. So why Snyder? Is it the fact Snyder thinks he’s so deep and smart but he’s actually retarded and attracted a fanbase who’s the same?
>>224210765WB edited the shit out of theatrical BvS which in itself was a forced mandate to "catch up with Marvel" and rush to an Avengers event. But, as you well know, DC rebooting before the story has time to unfold, was just a Hack Snyder thing, and not a systemic problem
>>224210816>start the main universe with alt-universe bullshitRetard
>>224211004>capeshit to capeshit is apples to orangesYou do know that normies think all comics are published by Marvel, right? There’s literally no difference to general audiences
>>224210877How'd the second one do?
>>224211006>Is it the fact Snyder thinks he’s so deep and smart but he’s actually retarded and attracted a fanbase who’s the same?Lol yeah plus jeets
>>224210942>Uwe Boll or the weirdo who lives at the end of your block could have shit out movies during that era and made the studio bank.And yet only Marvel and Snyder DC did. Spider-Man was a flop around this time. Fantastic Four flopped. X Men barely made it's money back. It wasn't as easy as you're making it out to be.
>>224211012>WB edited the shit out of theatrical BvSThey fucking did not, everything that was excised from the theatrical cut was superfluous bullshit to get the run time under 3 hours because you can’t release a fucking four hour long tentpole movie. Nothing added to the “ultimate edition” made the movie any less of a mess
>>224211037How’d Rebel Moon do?
>>224211006It was revealed that snyder runs a large shill campaign. It doesn't work but he keeps paying for it. Exposing retards to a constant barrage of nonsense will eventually get some of them to convert and so you end up with zealots who have about 2 working braincells to their name
>>224210667No one was showing up to any of those sequels no matter what anyone says lmao, you're crazy man. Suicide Squad was a one off success. Same with Aquaman. People checked out of those. Another Cavill Superman, sure. A Batfleck, sure. But those? Come on man, everyone knew those were shit.
>>224211025They did the main universe twice anon; it's time to do something original. You're retarded for wanting to do the same shit yet again.
Batman 2 is still coming tho right?
>>224210492So glad the PCU failed. The discourse around Superman 2025 was a mess. The threads devolved into everyone calling the other "indian" for 300+ posts.
>>224210530they wont even do that. it'll be brown and foid propaganda again.
>>224211006See it's not even a case of these people being fans of all of Snyders work. It's primarily his vision of DC. You don't see these people lining up to ask for another 300, a sequel to Watchman especially since DC's made a few, another of the dead film, a sucker punch sequel, hell Legend of the Guardians. If they were a fan of Zack's actual work then maybe he'd still be making Rebel Moon. But they're not, they just like Zack's version of DC because it lines up with shit like the Dark Knight Returns and that's really what people want. They don't want Zack Snyder, they want Dark Knight Returns in live action.
>>224211048>Snyder DC didReminder that at the peak of capeshit where characters like Captain America, Iron Man, and fucking Thor were regularly cracking a billion fucking dollars, the very first time the goddamn Batman and fucking Superman met in a movie in their almost hundred year history failed to break a billion and over a hundred million dollars less than a THIRD (!) Thor movie and a fucking Carol Danvers movie.
>>224210492BUT MY HECKIN TOMATO ROTTERINOS SAID THEY WERE FRESHIM A PUNKROCKER YES I AM
>>224210900This was back when Rotten Tomatoes was actually trusted, and the people that enjoyed the movies were labelled "Snyderbros".Their word over the memes and critics meant nothing. That's why WB cared so much about the reaction from official tabloidsThe problem is, WB then DOES try to win over the critics, shifts to a more MCU style, and instead of gaining that audience, they lose their entire audience.
>>224211068You mistake me for a snyder fan. I'm a woke enemy.
>>224211161Nta, but what's the appeal? They always push and use the ugliest people possible in the name of "progress". We're also told fat 300 pound men in wigs are women. I just don't get it.
>>224211161I thought you people said "woke" wasn't real? Why is everyone on your side saying it "won" if it doesn't exist?
>>224211111what a waste of digits. snyder made the studio billions in total especially with merchandise and disc sales. aquaman broke the bank, bvs made like 800mil on a shitty studio forced cut, mos made 600mil as a first go around, and he had so many fans calling for his return and his original vision of justice league the studio fell apart like a jenga tower. let go of /co/mblr and its queer delusions
>>224210492Can you copypaste the whole article?
>>224211104The day The Dark Knight Returns "fans" realize every sequel to DKR is dogshit, is the day the world starts healing.
>>224211236kek. you think those guys aren't on the same side as the neocons? buddy you're in for a shock if you ever look into their fraternal networks
>>224211028He's saying that one (CM) made money because it was riding off the coattails of previous successes from the same company.
>>224210765BvS also suffered because>> Snyder decide to make an R-rated movie, something studios are infamously adverse to for if it concerns characters mainly marketed towards kids.>> Half an hour cut had to be from it, which made it incoherent.>> Jessie Eisenberg giving a baffling portrayal of Lex Luthor that quickly became a punchline and comes to be regarded as one of the worst miscasts in history.>> Released around the same time as Captain America: Civil War, which was critically acclaimed and grossed over a billion.I don't think Snyder is a bad director, he's a bad visionary and creative. Give him a good script or something to faithfully adapt and he can prove himself competent. When he comes up with something on his own it's ambitious but very dumb and pretentious.
>>224211155If you applied the same mental energy you do to the mental gymnastics to defend Snyder to something actually constructive you could really accomplish something, anon
>>224210942>people are desperate for more Snyder movies>let's replace him with a cornball pedohow'd that work out?
>>224211304the only reason civil war and infinity war were even conceived was because that producer jew at WB had leaked snyder's 2013 outline to the suits at marvel
>>224211006>The milennial soiboi believes all aufiences are woke like him and his redditor friends.
>>224211048>Fantastic Four flopped. X Men barely made it's money back.Superman and Batman are in the top 5 most popular comic book characters of all time. FF have never been popular and X-Men have always been niche.>Spider-Man was a flop around this time.Wtf are you talking about?
>>224211304Snyder is like Gunn. He has 3 bad ideas for every good one, so he needs someone to keep him grounded. Hell, they kept each other grounded back when they worked together in Dawn of the Dead, and it worked. Maybe popularity broke them both.
>>224211006snyder is an actual kind and creative person who studies philosophy, and he's one of the only openly christian directors in hollywood. most people only ever shit on him because of those two reasons. it makes them jealous seeing an intelligent christian who wasn't raised by public schools and is capable of making consistently interesting work regardless of its entertainment or monetary value
>>224211355>X-Men have always been niche.I know it's hard to believe, but the X-Men were far, far more popular than the Avengers for decades.
>>224211315Mental gymnastics? That's hilarious. Snyder was competing with Prime MCU, and James Gunn was competing with an anime movie (and lost).When was the last time the DC connected anything made billion dollars outside of Snyder?Batman v Superman has made more than every James Gunn project combined without inflation. Saying "But, I didn't like it!!" doesn't change the facts. Under Snyder, they were making more money and were a lot more successful
>>224211111Fucking THIS!!!!Do these retards not understand how bad you have to be at making movies to have access to two of the most popular pop icons and to still underperform below characters that are actually hated?
>>224211155>>224211241>>224211288>>224211304>Ghostbusters 2016 fails>”hah! Fucking wokies no one wants your shit!”>Snyder’s DC shit fails>”well see it’s not because people didn’t like it no it’s because WB wanted the movie to fail and cut it up so people wouldn’t like it and then Rotten Tomatoes, a WB company, wanted the movie to fail too so they made the score way lower than what it should’ve been and then the second weekend Batman v Superman more than 95% of the country was abducted by aliens which is why the second weekend had such a dramatic drop but don’t bring that up to people they’re still really sensitive about it. And then the Illuminati didn’t like how Snyder was positively showing religious elements so they did everything they could to stop the movie from being successful. That’s why it didn’t reach a billion not because people didn’t like it. But it almost reached a billion. It just fell short by $200 million. And yeah MCU movies were regularly making a billion but Y’know that’s totally different”
>>224211455>>224211448
>>224211416Yeah X-Men were huge in the 90s. There's a reason it was the first capeshit franchise of the century.
>>224211467snyder didnt fail. his DC made the studio billions and they suicided his daughter and kicked him out of the studio because he wasn't willing to be a jew puppet. not reading your wall of text
>>224211092>They did the main universe twice anonDid they though? They were clearly designed as weird offshoots that were dressed up as main universe is what I'm saying. Even Pattison's Batman is already alt-universe. So we're supposed to have two alt-U Batmans running around and no OG Bats?
>>224211355zoomer larper
>>224211448Okay. Now take those grosses for fucking BATMAN and SUPERMAN and compare them to how much fucking THOR was bringing in at the time. That’s why Snyder was shitcanned. Snyder poisoned the DC well by making movies people hated and then creating a retarded cult online in an effort to get his job back that became the most hated fandom of all time. Snyder killed DC. Any money it makes for the next twenty years is fucking charity.
>>224211094>The discourse around Superman 2025 was a mess. The threads devolved into everyone calling the other "indian" for 300+ posts.Yeah this is the only real reason I'm 'excited' or whatever for this news. Although they will probably start a whole other "Snyder vs ____" shitfest no matter who comes next.
>>224210492definitely time for yet another green lantern rerererererereboothow about a fantastic four rerererereand then they can start batman againhow about admitting that the stories and characters are boring as fuck if they have to reboot every 5 years.oh look, it's another origin story.fucking direat least marvel ran the course before shitting the bed and dying
>>224210492>Expensive Suphero films people don't want are failing...>I know! Let's triple down on expensive Superheroes!Did they forget that their biggest hit was fucking Aquaman, considered a literal C-lister? Whilst the Flash bombs EVERY SINGLE TIME
>>224211467>Ghostbusters (2016)>$229M>Every Snyder movie>$668M- 1.1BSure Jeet
>>224211537Marvel had more jew shareholder money for a global marketing racket and was targeted towards normies. That Snyder's DC made so much money on its merits despite being niche shocked everybody. You can let go of the queer psychosis now. It's been a decade.
>>224211467Take your meds
I want to shift into the universe that the Batfleck movie came out
>>224211537>snyder killed DC>>224211500
>>224211580Are you really trying to claim that Batman and Superman are niche? More niche than Iron Man or Thor?
What would he do on twitter?
>>224211500>>224211563>>224211580Yes, thank you for proving my point
>>224211537You mean MCU post Avengers, after they established their universe?Batman v Superman was released at the same time as Civil War, and at that point Spider-Man was being introduced in their universe. Marvel was in Phase 3 by that point
>>224211608No, I explicitly stated that Snyder's DC was niche. As in its tone, themes, and visual style. I also made a point of note about Marvel having far more jew shareholder money for marketing their films. They were targeting different demographics, yet Snyder ended up being a competitor in business and tone.
>>224210492>DC HeavyweightsSo just Batman?
>>224211095Weren’t Latcham and Ellison chuds? “People” on reddit are saying the new DC will be the far right propaganda machine
>>224211321>people are desperate for more Snyder moviesAre they? Like who?
>>224211641>Batman and Superman weren’t popular during the MCU>ignore the Dark Knight Trilogy plsWhy is it so hard for you people to just admit the general audience didn’t like Snyder’s shit? Why is it so important for you to live in this reality that Snyder’s shit was ultra popular and the movies cratering the second weekend and Snyder getting shitcanned was some weird jew conspiracy? Why can’t you just say “I know general audiences weren’t a fan of Snyder’s DC stuff but I liked it”. One of my favorite capeshit movies is Ang Lee’s Hulk but I’m not shitting up every fucking MCU thread going “ackshually if you count for inflation Lee’s Hulk movie made a bajillion more than the Marvels! Everyone actually loved it and it was super popular remember Hulk Hands?! #restoretheleeverse!” Fucking whyyyyyyyyyyyyy can’t you just let that goddamn retard go?!
>>224211330Those movies are based off comics that had already been out for years.
>>224211722alright champ. just informing you of the facts, which anyone can find on their own if they actually did the due diligence of researching the corporate drama from that time
>>224211058how's the polka dot sky in retard land, Batman and Superman hated each other for no reason, WB cut out Lex manipulating both of them
>>224211072That's because those sequels were done by new people that wanted the movies to be cornballs.
>>224211416>>224211481You're being obtuse. I'm fully aware of the X-Men's popularity (which is mostly just the 90s even though they've been around since the early 60s) and I maintain that it's always been more niche in relation to Supes and Bats. Every soccer mom knows that last two but they' be hard-pressed to name one of the X-Men.
>>224210492the screenshot doesn't match the link, what gives?
>>224211763holy pseud projection
>>224211763>Batman and Superman hated each other for no reason, WB cut out Lex manipulating both of themWhat scene in the directors cut fleshed out the conflict in a way that it actually made sense that wasn’t in the theatrical cut
if I was in charge of dc I would make a batman movie I would cast a handsome white guy with black hair and a gravely voice who is also good at actingthen I would have someone who is good at writing scripts and reads comics books write a good script
>>224211650Aquaman, DCEU made him a star
>>224211071That's not true. That was propaganda propped by Tatiana Siegel, who was a shill reporter from WB trying to smear Snyder's name.
>>224210492Please tell me if Harley Quinn Show will be cancelled.
>>224211860only if they do the needful
>>224211702>Why is it so hard for you people to just admit the general audience didn’t like Snyder’s shit?They certainly didn't like anything else from DC by comparison.
>>224211842these are kikes you're arguing with. don't expect honest engagement. keep fighting anon.
>>224211745>vagueposting is making a comeback
>>224211916you're arguing with jews whose only monicker of worth or value is if that something is uplifted in pop culture by shareholders and puked down their throats through incessantly cloying marketing campaigns that push current shareholder ideals
>>224210492Basedllison.
>>224211958what did cletus mean by this?
>>224211416Decade, singular.
>>224211990Nah. He's from a banking family involved with war profiteering and secret societies. Worthless human flesh.
>>224211702Going by your logic, since it was grounded, gritty, and had a realistic tone, AND had great reviews, The Batman should have made a billion dollars, right? So, why didn't it? Joker made a billion dollars...
>>224211995sorry, kike, i meant "perceived notion". not that you're an expert on english being an IDF shill constantly having to look up terms in my language anyways
For fuck's sake. How many fucking attempts until enough is enough and they realize that DC should just do solo movies / Batman movies?On that note, make Penguin season 2.
>>224212031Lol. Kys Timmycel
>>224211916>They certainly didn't like anything else from DC by comparisonOkay? More failures doesn’t mean any previous failure was any less a failure
>>224212009joker was headlined by one of the most famous jewish actors ever born and had a bigger marketing racket, and it served as a reboot of two of the biggest movies from the most famous jewish director ever born. it was also directed by a jew. i wonder how many tickets were probably just bought by other business jews.
>>224211932>keep fighting anon.For fucking WHAT? What is it with you snyderretards that makes you think you’re “fighting for a cause”?
>>224212041maybe tomorrow, kikel
>>224212031that doesn't make sense either
>>224212099what i said had nothing to do with snyder, nose
>>224212009Joker was a one off. Marketed as Elseworlds content. A good idea. A really good one. You can't build a universe around it. That is what they want and they just restated its what they want. Family friendly big franchise potential content. You will be here complaining in 5 years that all their movies still suck ass.
Wow as a neutral observer all I can say is damn Snyder was objectively financially superior
>>224212089>If I exaggerate Jewish influence, people will stop noticing Jewish influenceNo actually. We won't, Jew
>>224212111because english isn't your first language. do you want yiddish? I meant you people think it doesn't have enough mazuma from the knipl!
>>224210492>No more Polka Dot Mensad, he was the best part on suicide squad
>>224212152shut up kike
>>224210492>Green Lantern, The Flash and other heavyweights
>>224212264Green Lantern is unironically one of their best bets, or was. The casting for the show was good. Take the budget for Peacemaker shows and that Lanterns show, cast those 2 guys, and make an actual movie and it might have worked. Wonder Woman and Superman have bad flops too and recent ones. Theyre afraid to commit to Green Lantern because of one shitty movie from 15 years ago.
>>224211702Harley in 2016 Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and fucking Aquaman were cultural hits. All DC had before that was Superman and Batman. DCEU created brand growth that the film franchise hasn't seen before or since
>>224210492If Gunn had managed to capture the 1950 feel he wouldn´t have failed though. Both his vision and Snyder were bad. It´s time to apologize to Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh. Singer was the one that had the right idea on how to update the myth and people just couldn´t see it.
>>224212296Harley movie fucking flopped hard, get the fuck out of here. If she were a real draw, her Harley wouldve carried another movie. You probably forgot Birds of Prey even came out. What a "draw" lol.
>>224210787>bantzSee that's the thing, bantz is something you do with friends or in certain contexts that allow for it. If you as a business or service provider want to engage in bantz with your audience first you must earn enough goodwill with them for them to not take it at face value and indeed consider it bantz with no ill intentions. In the case of 99% of modern corpos there is no goodwill whatsoever so what you call bantz is indeed just them expecting customers to pay for being insulted.
>>224212354I would be fair and say Birds of Prey, even though it was a massive piece of shit, came out right during the beginning of covid...but it still got its ass kicked by Sonic 1, so yeah, not much of an excuse. Also the idiotic choice to make an R-rated Harley Quinn movie, so most of her biggest demographic, girls ages 10-17, can't see it.
>>224212390Maybe, but Wonder Woman and Harley movies flopped hard and you can only blame COVID so much. They followed the same trend as Captain Marvel and Miss Marvel. A lot of buzz, a lot of hype, people checked it out, then they just stopped completely. Its a trend. Black Widow had the same thing too and that was MCU and she had been grinding that role for over 10 years by that point. And that was Scarjo. A real box office draw. Still did not work.
>>224210492>NostalgiaThere's just one problem, no one gives a shit about DC or has any nostalgia.Batman is the only one anyone ever gave a shit about and batman is played out.
>>224212416Wonder Woman without Snyder, and Harley Quinn without David Ayer was the problem.
