>Snyder gets fired and Whedon Justice League bombs>DC has a series of flops while the Rock tries taking over the franchise>universe gets rebooted>Joker gets raped>Gunn makes multiple flops and gets fired>Batman 2 delayed to 2028 after Reeves quitsWhat went so fucking wrong bros?
>>224246419jews
>>224246419They tried to make superhero IPs specifically crafted for children dark and gritty and often TV-MA, which was just ridiculous in hindsight. If they'd tried to just ape Marvel from the beginning, as they're doubtless going to do now, they'd have been much more successful
>>224246419Let’s not forget that Man of Steel and Batman v Superman both underperformed massively. The problem goes further back.
>>224246436FPBP
>>224246504They didn't, they just didn't make MCU levels of fuck-you money.
>>224246504*taps sign*
>>224246419Its capeshit in general. At least the early capeshit was aspiration, and captured the fun of comic books. But this whole things has become insane.
>>224246512They were both projected to make significantly more than they did. They hilariously estimated that BvS could make 2 billion and it didn’t make it to 1. They were panicking and accusing cinemas of lying about low ticket sales
>>224246521Pretending to not understand, eh?
>>224246551No. I understand perfectly well. I suppose that's why instead of responding to the image, you opt for an ad hominem attack.
>>224246565I accept your concession.
>>224246419Go woke, go broke
>next DC movie will be 100% AI generated>Henry Cavill as Superman>Sydney Sweeney as Lois Lane>Robert Pattinson as Batman>Sydney Sweeney as Wonder Woman>Joaquin Phoenix as pre-raped Joker>Sydney Sweeney as Zatanna>the movie is just 2 hours of hype moments and aura>Sydney Sweeney has zero lines of dialogue, she just shakes her tits at the camera whenever she's on screen>at the end, Superman looks right into the camera and says "Vote Republican" before he and the rest of the heroes fly off into the sunset(including Batman) as "We Are Charlie Kirk" starts playing while the credits rollIt'll be the #1 movie in India
>>224246578That wasn't a concession, but feel free to disengage as you wish. You should practice further in honesty. I am more than willing to freely discuss the matter.
>>224246419They cursed themselves by disrespecting Snyder's vision. Not that I think his movies were perfect, they had plenty of problems, but it's the mentality of being such stubborn faggots that you staunchly go against the guy who is trying to build your house. He's doing a fine job and you come in banging holes in the walls, pulling out nails, knocking out supports. Then when the house inevitably comes down you act like you were right all along. Having that kind of behavior is going to make any effort fail.
>>224246600>They cursed themselves by disrespecting Snyder's vision.Saaaaaar
>>224246583kino
>>224246596The difference is Marvel actually got their universe off the ground, so when they falter it's just a setback instead of a failed start (for now)
>>224246596Theyre pretty retarded yes and even if Gunn didnt have that many fans, he still had some. And now neither snyderfags or gunntrannies will probably show up to these next ones. It is impossible to get invested. It translates to the studio demanding your attendance or theyre not continuing what they themselves want to make a big thing. That is not how it works. Obviously sequels are dependent upon viewership but it makes it feel like youre being held hostage if you get invested.
>>224246419Gunnjeets can only blame themselves. They saw the studio heads getting fucked over by WB and were still expecting for them to be any different with James p gunn
>>224246436>Da joos made supergirl lose 200 million dollars o algo asiWhy are /pol/tards so low iq?
>>224246596This kind of meme always seems like it's posted by confused alpha bros who don't know the difference between posturing and wisdom.
>>2242465515 straight years of a $650m baseline including still the highest grossing DC movie. With failure like that Gunn didn't get shitbinned fast enough
>>224246596Yah man. DC should have spammed origin/single movies for a while. Give each character a could each, and THEN attempt a DCU.
>>224246419capeshit fatigueNo matter how many reboots they toss at us the genre is dead >more grimdark >over with the grimdark it's all about quips now!>'member the grimdark?>'member Tim Burton
>>224246521it's still baffling to me how a fucking Aquaman movie made over a billion dollars
>>224246636Well, the shareholders of DC are jewish, and so are the bosses of the parent company. So anon is factually correct. Their poor decisions directly led to that failure. Do you blame the gentile low-level producers or directors, who are legally beholden to the corporate executives?
>>224246654Satisfying color palette, simple normie script, sexy actors, easily-readable formalistic shot choices, and a creative director who was given a unique allowance for freedom.
Ladies, ladies, ladiesEnough whining and fighting about the past. Its over. Lets focus on the future and how we can actually get some great DC movies
>>224246654Momoa is popular and this was before Amber Heard (literally) shit the bed.
>>224246565I didn’t attack anything. Man of Steel and BvS both underperformed massively. That’s just a fact. The first Wonder Woman and Aquaman were outliers with their success. The franchise got off to a rocky start, there was obvious panicking and despite a couple of films doing alright, things never recovered
>>224246596Marvel can still afford a few flops due to how disgustingly rich the 2008-2020 era made them. Same cant be said for warner bros
>>224246698Cut off the death weight and split the Batman brand from dc for a Batman Cinematic Universe
>>224246708Disney can afford infinite flops, forever, their movies are carried by their parks and cruise line and merchandise and cartoons and entire networks and streaming services. 50 MCU movies could flop in a row.
>>224246640I’m not even talking about Gunn’s era. The Snyder years didn’t go well and the brand has never gotten back on track
>>224246722Thats a great idea.
>>224246705>I didn't attack anything.You claimed I don't understand as an out to the conversation. Now you simply repeat and elaborate on your claims rather than engaging with the documented fact of the box office and merchandising success of the films you mentioned. Making vague, semantic claims and refusing to engage with matters of objective fact isn't constructive discussion. This isn't debate. Weaving endless sophistry won't change the numbers, which anyone can easily verify for themselves. It isn't a matter of subjective interpretation.
A snyderchud is fucking my wife...
>>224246654It's a cool movie. Not high art or anything but Aquaman vs Ocean Master was rad.
>>224246750No it isnt, Batman can underperform and if no one will watch a Superman movie or a Green Lantern movie, they wont turn up for a Nightwing movie, or a Batwoman movie, or a Batgirl tv show spinoff, or a Mr. Freeze prequel, etc. You need Batman and you also need Joker, Reeves did Riddler as a serial killer and Colin Ferrel Le realistic Penguin man and it underperformed.
>>224246725>>224246521Monetarily they were doing great for having less marketing and shareholder value than Disney Marvel and less cultural recognition because of such factors. The issue is studio executives and shareholders who have triggerfinger kneejerk responses to anything that misaligns with their approved messaging and still makes money. That is one of the main points of contention that came to light, between the producers and Snyder. Creative vision. Johns and Emmerich were fags who wanted uber communist DC like what the comics had become because of them, and so did the shareholders. They called his cut of Justice League unwatchable and replaced it with the Josstice Cut, and were incredibly proud of themselves. That indicates much more concerning ideology than monetary value.
>>224246419WB management and Skydance management>Snyder gets fired and Whedon Justice League bombs>DC has a series of flops while the Rock tries taking over the franchiseCaused by Hamada-era idiocy>universe gets rebootedCaused by Zaslav looking at the Hamada era stuff and freaking out, then getting Gunn and Safran>Joker gets rapedSomeone from Hamada era giving the sequel a greenlight and allowing Phillips to do whatever, Zaslav not paying attention because he figured that if Joker 1 did well, Joker 2 would too>Gunn makes multiple flops and gets firedSkydance is trying to convince people that he made multiple flops to get the narrative going when by that logic it makes Skydance/Paramount pre-WB buyout look like a flop factory themselves, because they needed to get Gunn and Safran out of there so they have some control over the direction of the DC films/TV>Batman 2 delayed to 2028 after Reeves quitsReeves is rumored to either have serious health issues or a family member having serious health issues, but this long period of time between Reeves getting hired for a Batman movie in 2017 to 2028. Was probably tolerated either because of whatever contract he signed, and/or because The Batman was the only thing at the time that did well at the box office since Joker 1
>>224246834Dont you EVER disagree with me like this in public
>>224246756Man of Steel didn’t do as well as they hoped so they rushed to the team up. Then, Batman v Superman was projected to make 2 billion and couldn’t make it to 1. That’s just a fact. It underperformed, there was very obvious panicking causing them to shift direction yet again, and you’re taking umbrage at imagined slights as a distraction
>>224246756Additionally, I didn’t claim you didn’t understand, I said you were pretending not to
>>224246419>What went so fucking wrong bros?Well, lets see:>trying to launch a new cinematic universe right after killing the old one so everybody is afraid of using the main popular justice league characters so they have to settle for c and d-listers>having multiple ongoing live action continuities. The cw shows are different continuity than the hbo shows. suicide squad 1 is apparently snyderverse while suicide 2 is gunnverse even though they're sequels. parts of peace maker have been retconned. shit is a trainwreck>trying to launch a cinematic universe while your most popular character (batman) can't be used because you promised him to matt reeves>following up superman with a lame supergirl movie nobody asked for or wanted which was then followed up by a fucking clayface movie>james gunn is a one trick pony>half of his dceu is r rated tv showsReally what didn't go wrong? I guess Superman was a mild success.
>>224246725That was WB's incompetence which is why the studio was whored out to 3 corporations in less than 10 years
>>224247000Oh yeah, they panicked and made some very poor decisions and even when there were successes they never seemed to learn from them. From the start there’s been a lack of confidence and consistency
>>224246419Marvel was just too powerful.
>>224246879>Reeves is rumored to either have serious health issues or a family member having serious health issuessame as snyder, this franchise is legit cursed like a fucking pharaon tomb
They keep choosing gay meme directors to make and lead this shit. Snyder? Gunn? Like literally who the fuck???
>>224246419Gunn didn't make Blue Beetle or the Flash. His DCStudios starts at Creature Commandos and goes from there. Peacemaker s2 was a hit, Lanterns was a hit, Superman was a hit, and Clayface is successful for it's budget. This is firing Gunn for not liking Trump and Israel and coming up with excuses later. Shit, if Todd McFarlane was smart, he'd take some of that toy buyout money and put Gunn in charge of the Spawn reboot movie.
>>224246521So if/when the next star wars trilogy makes less than half of the rey movies one can only conclude that jew jew was the right man for the job and fans were wrong to criticize him?
>>224246939Maybe he didn’t understand
>>224247060>Shit, if Todd McFarlane was smart, he'd take some of that toy buyout money and put Gunn in charge of the Spawn reboot movie.Oh, I didnt realize Todd had a stroke and become braindead
>>224247019WB's failures spanned way beyond DC and way after Snyder. WB already had the catalog Disney paid $100 billion for in 10 years and they were still going bankrupt. And if you don't like Snyder or Gunn, WB fucking hired them
DC at its core is just a pile of shit. It's always been the less fun, edgy sibling of Marvel. It's just not captivating or entertaining.
>>224246419This whole mess could have most likely been avoided had DC not rushed into team-ups and Justice League. If only theyd have taken their time and took it step-by-step and movie by movie then who knows? Im more of a Marvel fan but Batman is still cool as fuck and Superman is awesome. These characters deserved a lot better. Man of Steel was good. Wonder Woman (the first one) was pretty fucking decent. BatFleck shoulda' had at least a trilogy with Superman having at least a sequel before an ensemble movie.
>>224246419Gunnjeets liked to harp on the Rock for his planned Black Adam vs Superman movie but they were legitimately cheering for that Jimmy Olsen vs gorilla grodd TV show
>>224247312I couldnt agree more
>>224247241warner bros is marvel you fucking idiot
>>224247432elaborate
>>224246654According to anon we should doing nothing but aquamansWhich the Supergirl movie sort of was
>>224246654>has colors>simple story>good looking actorsMy favorite, good luck trying to top this:>doesn't require you to watch anything after nor before
>>224247538Supergirl actress wasn't pretty.Nobody wants that kind of story in a superheroine movie.
>>224246918>Then, Batman v Superman was projected to make 2 billionIn a universe where man of steel was well received and crossovered with nolan's batman maybe
>>224246918>>224246939Damn you make a good habit of lying and tryimg to weasel your way out of direct, honest discussions
>>224247596Point out the lie. Because it seems you can’t
>>224247538It simply needed more sexy dames in bikinis.
>>224247576Yeah, they were truly delusional thinking it would do that well. There was panic when it became clear it was underperforming
It's so tragic, the DCEU really looked like it was on the right path in 2019.> The Snyder mistakes were largely rectified.> Justice League's theatrical cut was moderately liked at the time.> Cavill Superman was tonally corrected within it & well received aside from the mouth CGI.> WW1 & Shazam were universally liked.> Aquaman made a fuck ton of money (and IMO was the best film of the DCEU)ALL THEY HAD TO FUCKING DO WAS...> Not let Affleck quit, postpone his Batman movie until he was mentally/emotionally stable.> Make it adaption of Court of Owls or a TAS style sympathetic Mr Freeze story.> Push for a hopeful (but not campy/silly) MOS2 after Joss's JL Superman was well received, they got pitches from Steven Knight + the guy who saved X-Men with First Class + the guy whose 2nd Mission Impossible was considered one of the greatest action movies ever made among others and WB turned then all down because they are utterly brain damaged.> Have someone like Brad Bird (Iron Giant) direct MOS2.> Don't let that fucking retarded bitch Patty Jinnkies ruin the Wonder Woman brand with 84.> WW 2 should have been a Indiana Jones type story with Diana tracking Cheetah through exotic jungle and ancient ruins.> Don't let radical feminist trash ruin the Harley brand with BOP.> Force James Wan to stick with the same tone as Aqua1 for the sequel or go more serious.> Recast Amber Heard with someone like Deborah Ann Woll so they would not have to sideline Mera.> Cancel The Flash as soon as the choking video went online.> Make a Batman Beyond movie with Keaton, Timothée Chalamet as Terry & Charles Dance as Blight.
>>224246419Whedon justice league was 95% Snyder's stfu already
We need to hand this over to a sexually frustrated Joss When being teased by some jewess seductress
>>224247769Affleck did not have that much time. He was getting on when they cast him. He had maybe 2 movies in him, BVS and maybe one other one, before he wasnt going to try very hard putting on that suit.
>>224246654>>224246683>>224246701>>224246832>>224247554Aquaman was fun but it wasn't silly, childish nor had any contempt for the source material.The outfits all looked fantastic and hyper faithful to the comics.It was loosely based on the New 52 Aquaman comic run which is genuinely one of the best comics of the last 15+ years, the movie really looked like pic related Ivan Reis art brought to life.It had the epic scale and battles we had begged for from the Thor movies for years.
>>224246654>>224246683>>224246832>>224247916>>224247916>the movie really looked like pic related Ivan Reis art brought to life.>It had the epic scale and battles we had begged for from the Thor movies for years.
>>224247611>>224247596He can’t do it
>>224247916>>224247957>>224247538>According to anon we should doing nothing but aquamans>Which the Supergirl movie sort of wasYour fucking retarded.Supergirl was not half as faithful to the comics, it's tone or it's heroine's character as Aquaman was.It's villain was 5000 times worse.Milly Alcock somehow managed to be less likable than Amber Heard (both inside and outside their films) and did not have the sex appeal to make up for such.
>>224248010It has Jason Momoa, a drunk protagonist, muh parents are from Krypton/Atlantis, fantasy locations
>>224246493Marvel is just mindless slapstick comedy. I'm out.
>>224246654>>224246683>>224247554>>224247916>>224247957
>>224246596plowing ahead with gorilla grodd and waller doesn't seem like the right move
>>224247312>>224247378Disney shills spotted
>>224248112Who knows, people like gorillas
>>224246654>>224247916>>224247957>>224248052
>>224246654>>224247916>The outfits all looked fantastic and hyper faithful to the comics.>>224248052>>224248199
>>224246419what always goes wrong for them: suits demanding >BLOCKBUSTER BILLYS right now
>>224248289This. Skydance can't even keep their story straight without looking like bigger idiots They and the shills are trying to paint Gunn taking too long to bring in Batman and Wonder Woman as the reason when they forget>There's only been two years of stuff>Rushing into things and having idiotic high expectations is what got BvS and Justice League in troubleThey could've just said that Gunn was taking things in directions they didn't agree with, and no one would question it. Instead now they look like they're gonna speedrun the Hamada era
>>224247611Buddy there is no debate to be won you just insulted me, lied that you didn't intend to insult me, then ignored statistic data in favor your magical fairyland assumptions about business. I would stop using 4chan if they were to implement ID check systems to prove age but I would support such a system just because posters like you are such incessant babies you make it obvious you're teenagers
>>224248468I’m well into my thirties and when asked to point out any falsehoods in what I’ve said (instead focusing constantly on an alleged insult that you seem to have imagined) you’ve failed to do so, and all because you can’t seem to handle the fact Snyder’s DC films all underperformed financially. An odd thing to get so worked up about
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>>224248816ban creatives from social media
>>224247060>This is firing Gunn for not liking Trump and Israel and coming up with excuses later.
>>224246654It was popular in India and China. That should tell you everything you need to know.
>>224246419nothing ever went right
