>has arguably some of the most recognizable and beloved ficticious characters in historyHow did they fuck it up so badly?
>>224265812DC has canonically always been run by retards. That and money laundering.
>>224265812DC properties are weaker than Marvel's in the same way that WB properties are weaker than Disney's. There will never be any catch up because the flaws in the weaker properties are inherent.
>>224265849Why are they weaker?
>>224265849Disney Shill spotted
>>224265861Because he's shilling for Disney
>>224265812Why do retarded nerds on the internet have such a boner for DC?>muh most recognisable and belovedNigger, people like Batman and that's it. You're all just Ameriburgers and have DC as Mummy & Daddy, meanwhile in the rest of the world, Marvel has dominated for the last 30 years at least. Nobody outside of Grampaw in Minnesota actually thinks WW or GL or whatever else is "beloved". >>224265866>>224265910Genuinely only DCucks have shills, like (You). The exact same way of posting here on tee-vee and comblr.
>>224265866>>224265910DC started ahead in the capeshit wars but for the past two decades it's all been Marvel. Now there's discussion of selling the DC IPs to Marvel. So you tell me who won?
>>224265962>Now there's discussion of selling the DC IPs to Marvelno there isn't and there never will be, two idiots on reddit yapping about impossible & implausible theoreticals does not constitute "discussion"
>>224265812Because they were chasing instead of doing their own thing.It doesn't help that it has gotten rebooted even more often than comic continuities.Also they should have started small on streetlevel with minor heroes like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLR0lcKp4s
>>224265861The DC intellectual property is less coherent. For example, Superman and Batman are incompatible characters.
>>224265812>has arguably some of the most recognizable and beloved ficticious characters in historyOutside Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman they don’t got anything. Superman isn’t popular anymore and nobody gives a shit about Wonder Woman
>>224265812WB fucks it up every time. They've only ever had success with Batman and Reeve Superman.
>>224266229This. DC has nothing else to offer outside Batman and Superman
Unironically asking, what are the chances of Disney buying DC in 5 years or so when their movies flop again? I know Feige really likes Superman, but would that even be possibe?
>>224266310Nobody wants that shit Marvel has enough heroes in its lineup
>>224265812Superman and WW are boring and while widely recognized they are really not as beloved as people think. Cyborg, Flash, Aquaman, even less so. The only real heavy hitter is Batman. Kick off the universe with Batman and they'll be sweeping in billions. Not a grounded realistic Batman, just a comic accurate Batman that kicks ass in any situation.
>>224266411This. Maybe Apple will end up getting them at a bargain bin discount
>>224266440Batman isn’t making a billion. He only does well with The Joker who is morepopular than him. But WB let Todd Phillips ass rape The Joker
>>224265942>>224265962lmao at Disney shills seething at the truth
>>224265812Why did DCEU go through so many direction changes?
>>224266492CIA outgrossed Joker
>>224266743Because DC characters suck. They have Batman and that's it.
>>224266440Absolute Batman is Absolute Garbage and the people who recommend it are 50IQ dimwits that never understood superhero comics to begin with.
>>224266273I think their supernatural/horror stuff is better than Marvel's.Make a movie with Constantine, Zatanna, and Etrigan, might be profitable
>>224266860Problem is, those characters are so obscure that they might as well be some random guy's original IP
>>224266827It's, dare I say fun
>>224266860But those won’t make a BILLION! It’s BILLION or bust according to idiots at WB and Paramount
>>224266931It has to make a billion to compete at the same level as Marvel. That's why DC keeps hiring Marvel's cast offs
>most recognizable and beloved ficticious characters in historythey're not very relatable though
>>224265812You're here forever, loser
They should just ask Marvel if they’d be interested in a crossover and just let them so it
>>224265812Ignoring Gunn’s retarded approach the DCU was just rotten. Audience turnout wasn’t there, financial gains were an excruciatingly uphill battle, and not a single product could release without online controversy. There were no thorough successes. Lanterns was the nail in the coffin, it was just so bad for multiple reasons and from episode 3 onwards it was getting assfucked left and right by the internet. Clayface came out and I guess Ellison said enough was enough let’s get the new guy in here. Very big man or mouse moment for Latcham, if plays his cards right he can unite everyone, if he doesn’t DC might as well enter the public domain now.
>>224266440It's not like Cap, Iron Man, or Thor were in better spots before the MC than WW, Flash, and GL are now. The 1st necessary step is to make multiple entertaining films featuring those characters. Unfortunately that's the step DC can't quite figure out.
>>224265812Bump
>>224267632WTF you talking about! Cap, Iron Man , Thor never had movies yet. Yet Wonder Woman 84 was a disaster, The Flash movie was a disasterX Ryan Reynold’s GL movie bombed.
>>224265812The problem with DC Heroes is that they're products of their time. Superman has every power, Green Lantern is weak to the color yellow and Aquaman talks to fishes. Silly shit that can't be taken seriously.
>>224268078Period pieces are untapped potential. I want a 1930s/40s Batman so badly.
>>224266440Cyborg works well with the titans, but putting him on the Justice League and removing any personality he has isn't going to appeal to anyone.
>>224266979>It has to make a billion to compete at the same level as Marvel.And yet every time you reboot the universe you make this threshold more difficult to reach
>>224265812DC is for autists. Marvel is for normies. There are more normies than autists.
>>224267632This. Marvel sold normies on a talking raccoon because the movie was actually coherent and fun. DC keeps acting like the logo does the work for them, then hands Flash a $200m uncanny valley cameo funeral and wonders why nobody shows up. Make a good Wonder Woman movie, a good Flash movie, a good GL space cop movie. Stop trying to speedrun Avengers with homework attached.
>>224268630this + they got no overall visionfeige must be doing something right with his planning for the mcu to make it this long and now with doomsday pulling normies back in
>>224268815Fiege doesn’t blow shit up after one set back nor does he have unrealistic expectations. He’s not rebooting Thor because it doesn’t remotely come close to a billion. F4 under performed but he’s not blowing it up and hoping for another reboot will do well. He just pivoted from making them the center of his rebooted universe to the X Men
>>224268561Marvel, to me, always came across as the autistic one
>>224265962>Now there's discussion of selling the DC IPs to Marvel.that discussion is on /tv/ anon. you have to stop thinking this place is the real world.
>>224266229WB is the most mismanaged corporation in America. There is a reason they tanked so hard they got bought by a fucking production company.
>>224267363>Very big man or mouse moment for Latcham, if plays his cards right he can unite everyone, if he doesn’t DC might as well enter the public domain now.He's probably the best guy in Hollywod for the job given his resume, but it's a big fucking job and I don't even know if it's possible to succeed at this point either.
>>224268078>Aquamanwas actually successful. strange but true.
>>224265812juice
They try to hard to appeal to adults. Even Gunn’s hopecore interpretation only works if you have been beaten down by the modern world. They need to just pull back on the movies. Focus cartoons for kids, and then in 10 years put out some all ages fun movies.
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>>224269490It won’t. The time of building up lesser known characters is over. Comic book bubble burst. People will only watch A list characters or big event capeshit. The rest they’ll wait until streaming if at all. Why MCU dumped almost a billion into Doomsday
>>224269702yepwhat have they got after doomsday? big event shit; secret wars, their x-men... then maybe another spidey to rake in another easy 2 billion lmfaothrow in a black panther 3 or ghost rider or whatevermcu is stacked and having its work pay offdc just keeps starting over and overhow many reboots can they withstand?
>>224269844They use A listers to push what they got next. You couldn’t get a better promo for Sadie’s Jean Gray then Brand New Day.
>>224269651Accuracy?
>>224271417Bloomberg isn’t a shill jeet site so there has to be some accuracy to it. It would explain why they are having a meltdown over expenses and just want to do Batman shit.
>>224266156The only marvel characters anyone cared about up until the MCU was Spider-man, Wolverine, and Hulk. If DC was competently run they'd just make it work
the dark knight fucked up everythingnow every movie has to be serious and dark in tone and if it's not critically acclaimed like joker, it'll fall flat
>>224271554It’s too late. See >>224269702
>>224268078Yet Aquaman made a billion
>>224268048By that logic Ant-Man is more popular than WW lmao. At least the DC characters were popular enough in the 80s to have movies.
>>224271719More people would go see another Ant Man movie then a Wonder Woman reboot
That simple.
>>224271746Yes NOW they would retard, not pre-MCU
>>224268048MCU "inherited" flops like Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider etc etc. Hulk, F4, Spiderman 3 and XMen 3 weren't shitty like the last batch of DCEU Hamada slop, but 2000s Marvel didn't make the public think "wow a new Marvel movie!" when Iron Man came out. Jump to today and theaters literally need MCU to stay in business
>>224272513Those were all different studios. MCU didn’t have the rights to any of them and why had to use B and C list characters other studios didn’t want. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America. Hawkeye. Black Widow, etc.
>>224265861They're thematically weaker.If I ask you, why do you like Iron Man, you will say "I like the AI and robots concept." If I ask you why do you like the Hulk you'll say "I like how he's a force of destruction that can be used for good," and so on.If I ask you why do you like Wonder Woman there's really no good answer. She's just a generic female warrior.>Oh but she's a feminist symbol!That's how she's being marketed, but is she really that? In her original stories she was fetishized with bondage and penetration. And she's not particularly popular among feminists. >Oh but Superman is a humble farm boy from Kansas who has all the superpowers, flight, strength, speed, and even eye-lasers!Yeah, we call that a self-inset or Mary Sue. Take someone like Wolverine. What is his powers? Regeneration. That's it. The adamantium skeleton is an augmentation to prevent decapitation and the severance of limbs, and the claws were added to make him deadlier. So let's compare that to Superman's powers. What does flight have to do with strength or eye-lasers? Nothing. They're not connected. Even Spider-man that has multiple powers can be connected to the powers of a spider. The wall-crawling, the webs, the proportional strength, the agility, even the increased reactions. Imagine how stupid it would be if Spider-man suddenly could fly or shot eye-lasers.
>>224271707That wasn't an Aquaman movie it was a Jason Momoa movie
>>224265849lmao, just no, just the opposite. DC has ALWAYS been the more known and recognizable IP. The only marvel heroes the average normie ever heard of was hulk, spooder man and the xmen and zero of the marvel villains and that is because of movies and cartoons. Nearly everyone can tell you who the flash, superman, lex luthor, wonder woman, green lantern, aqua man, batman and robin are AND the joker, harley quinn the riddle were as well, before super hero movies were even a thing.
>>224271417Disney bought Marvel for $4 billion in 2009, which is $6.3 billion adjusted for inflation.Skydance is almost $90 billion dollars in debt, the interest of that debt today is about 7% or $6.3 billion per year.
>>224272990>Muh recognizably What does this shit even mean, and why would it matter? The Marvel movies have always gathered bigger crowds.Warner (now Skydance?) wished DC was Marvel, Disney is happy Marvel isn't DC.It's clear which brand is on top.
>>224266310>what are the chances of Disney buying DCnone whatsoeverhow many times do i have to tell you retardsit legally cannot be allowed as that would give disney a monopoly on capeshitwhy do you think they'll never acquire hulk and spider-man? they legally are forbidden from doing so.
>>224267632the first captain america film came out in the 70s kek
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>>224273123serials don't count because they were released in installments then later compiled into long ass films. but your point is observed and adds to mine, which is that tfa is not the first cap film by a longshot.
>>224273050because the topic is "what went wrong" and you said DC properties were weaker than Marvel's. No one is arguing which brand is on top in the kinosphere. The very question "what went wrong" makes this as clear as it can be you massively retarded fucktard
>>224265812>some of the most recognizable and beloved ficticious characters in historyBatman and who else?
>>224273187The Joker, Catwoman, Bane
>>224273204Batman characters. Like satins Green Goblin, Dock Ock and The Punisher
They should just sell to a company that actually wants to make money, like Universal.
>>224273268doesnt amazon own universal now?
>>224273419they sure don't, amazon owns mgm.
>>224273419It's a part of NBCUniversal, which is a subsidiary of Comcast.
>>224273204>The Joker,Fair>Catwoman, BaneMeh
>>224273015>Skydance is almost $90 billion dollars in debtGeee I wonder why Paramount purchased WB instead of Netflix
>>224268078being weak to silly shit is the least of green lantern's problems. the ring being able to create literally anything makes it fucking boring, it's a similar issue to superman.
>>224273186>and you saidSchizo...>No one is arguing which brand is on top in the kinosphere.Because there's nothing to argue. The numbers prove that Marvel is superior. That's why DC troons have to come out with copes like "it's more recognizable" that can't be proved or disproved because it's not a well defined claim. And why gives a shit anyway? If it's not good enough to make money then it's worthless as a corporate property.
>>224273543the ring can construct whatever the user willsthe trick is what the user wills, that's what makes it interesting. honestly one of the best parts about the movie, even if the rest of it was trash.
>2026>DC is *literally* bargain bin junk>Marvel reigns supremeFeels great to be a Marvel fan!!!!
>PG-13 Wonder Woman.>Origin has Zeus seducing Hippolyta, thus giving birth to Diana, giving her a new origin.>Quick montage of scenes showing Diana growing up, becoming stronger and more beautiful than her peers, including many of the gods>This rouses jealousy, but they keep quiet because she's Zeus' darling now>Olympics hosted, Diana wants to compete. The gods tell her no, so she disguises herself and dominates in every category.>Her disguise slips, the gods' bitterness now becomes vindicated, and Zeus capitulates to banish her from Olympus>Diana returns to her mother, but the Amazonians, fearing the gods, refuse her entry>Diana is now tasked with fitting into ancient society, and quickly becomes a hero by defeating various monsters>Along the way, she learns of a plot by Poseidon, Hera, and Athena to overthrow Zeus>Diana's main motivation becomes stopping it, but she initially fails, and Zeus is chained in Tartarus>During the conflict, the other Amazonians would arrive to help Diana, culminating in Hippolyta's death>Though arduous, Diana eventually emerges victorious, thus earning the right to sit atop Olympus>She becomes queen of the Amazonians, and the gods who betrayed Zeus are cast into TartarusSo long as the actress is attractive, the action and FVX are pretty good, and the acting isn't dogshit, this would make at least $700M. No, it's not comic accurate or adapting comics, but it's a way to give Diana something new and intrigue average people.
>>224273550lol didnt read gay nigger faggot troon
>>224273776sounds gay, wouldn't get fundingnobody wants an ancient greece wonder woman movie
>>224274122>nobody wants wonder woman moviefixBut at least tossing her itno Titan Quest/Diablo: the movie is workable concept which cuts out all goofy shit like "invincible radfem lesbian discovers ebil industrial society of mortal men"
>>224274280eh i'd rather just have a titan quest movie at that point, it wouldn't be tied to any specific ip besides the game and could do whatever the fuck it wanted since nobody knows what titan quest is and the plot is irrelevant
>>224274293>eh i'd rather just have a titan quest movie at that pointThat's practically how it could only work.Make good movie, then squeeze DC character here.
>>224266098People don't even know who iron man and thanos we're before the movie. They just knew spiderman and maybe the hulk and that's it, no one even knew who their villains were. Meanwhile Batman is as popular spiderman is with added bonus of people knowing his main villain which is the joker that is also as iconic and popular as him. DC is just ran by retards who doesn't know their own potential and that's it.
>>224274363>Make good movie, then squeeze DC character here.yeah but DC hasn't operated on that mindset in years>>224274382i've known who iron man was since i was 4i was the only genuine iron man fan in the theater
Ultimates did the heavy lifting for the conception of MCU, do DC even have anything similar to it?
>>224274517new 52 and absolute are about itboth are terrible and should not be the basis for anything
>>224274560>Absolute Pozzed shit, that's like putting nu-marvel shit for their own movie, which didn't work based on their profit record post endgame. >Nu-52Probably the closest thing they have but putting cyborg as token minority ironically put him down as a character. He was more fun as the goofy nigga like in teen titans cartoon.
>>224265812How many characters here can the average joe name
>>224274683The problem isn't if the average joe can name them. It's the fact that even the people who went and saw those movies couldn't name half of those characters.
>>224274607Just use the DCAU as a rough blueprint. Batman movie ---> Superman movie ---> Worlds Finest movie ---> Justice League.
