holy kek
>>224268063gunn is such a joke.
why the fuck did they get rid of synder?
Reminder Ben Affleck lost his job to write and direct his own Batman movie. So yes... Snyder era was a failure
>>224268063maybe being a box office flop is the new punkrock
>>224268149Can you fucking retards stop pretending snyder is in any way, shape or form a good director. Both are ass, get off of /tv/ and kill yourselves
>>224268311this. the snyder movies are still trash
>>224268311Zachary Sneeder
>>224268149because his movies were fucking terrible
>>224268387Seriously his successes were always despite him.
>>224268149Because his movies failed.Keep coping, sneeds.
BUT YOU HAVE TO DOUBLE THE BUDGETS!FOR MARKETING!IT IS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD!DOUBLE THE FUCKING BUDGET ESTIMATE! FOR MARKETING!
>>224268149>>224268311at least we'll always have 300watchmen has not aged well since it's very obvious he didn't fully understand the material even if he faithfully recreated it visuallyit's just that his visual strength was worth holding ontoi say was because then he made the dumb decision to be his own dp on army of the dead and i haven't even seen it but i could tell from the few shots i've seen that it was way too washed out and felt like babby's first gig
>>224268149they thought they had a license to print money and wanted to cut snyder out of his share, but things didn't exactly go as planned
>>224268311It's mainly one obsessive twat
>>224268063Could you please stop using box office numbers as a way to measure the quality of movies? How about analyzing storytelling, cinematography and other observable artistic or technical elements instead? Both Znyder and Gunn were terrible. Nolan too. Batman last good live action movie was Returns and last good Superman was, well, also Returns.
>>224268600>last good Superman was, well, also Returns.now this is contrarian bullshit, returns was ass. last superman that was good was unironically iv.
>>224268311Watchmen is a masterpiece sorry
>>224268311thishis recent work on netflix is terriblehe only gets by riding off adaptations
>>224268638Technically true. What i meant was that Singer kind of understood how to update the myth while keeping to what Superman ought to be far more than either Snyder or Gunn.
>>224268063Gunn and Snyder were edgelord manbabies. Time to get on board the wholesome DC train.
>>224268063Whomst ever thought it was a good idea to hire Gunn and make him CEO or whatever his title was should be lobotomized and forced to clean toilets for the rest of their existence
>>224268738fair but that's also because the film was just one giant wank to donner
>>224268063That’s great. Let’s see how much Marvel made during the Snyderverse
>>224268638>last superman that was good was unironically iv.oh fuck off
>>224268866yea i was shitposting anon, but iv is better than returns, and mos mogs both.
>>224268149trannies and manchildren teamed up, raised a big stink and execs then stabbed him in the back when they saw an opportunity
Im not happy at all with the cancelation of Gunn and heres me ranting about ithttps://youtu.be/RT3dH0hZZ28?is=hIBCNCGv8XmcRoDH
>>224268063You don't understand. These characters could've been diamonds one day.
>>224268803Since jeets won’t post it
>>224268180That geof that got in bens way. Not synder
>>224268149He gave Jewish producers the ick
>>224268892Man of Steel is dreary, grimdark horseshit with Snyder trying to portray Superman as Jesus. Returns is a soap opera melodrama with a boring plot. IV is cheap, thrown together crap.They're all shit in different ways and I'll never watch any of them ever again.
>>224268063>SnyderBad with scripts, excellect visual flair, sees superheroes as a super serious mythic retelling of modern legends>GunnAbove average with scripts, offensively bad with visuals, is sometimes offensively bad with making movies feel important. Is good with "emotional" moments but always forces them in attempt to make his saturday morning cartoon material feel more important
>>224269165Pretty spot on summery
>>224268149Because they wanted Marvel Money without building up a Marvel Fanbase.
>>224268311Snyderboard, tranny
>>224269235No it isn’t. Just two jeet spammers
>>224268460>>224268387>If I repeat a lie over and over...
>>224269164it's ok to be a faggot just admit it is all i ask of you
>>224268803The Snyderverse had a stronger start than the early MCU. And why wouldn't it? The DC brand shouldn't have to struggle to kick off a movie franchise
>>224269252Delusional
>>224269391the problem is superman and batman both started off with such strong films (78 and 89) that they've never been able to hit those highs again, even if the money has said otherwise
>>224268149Plenty of reasons. First, WB execs used to care a lot about social media and Disney organized a demolition campaign against Snyder and everybody involved in the DCEU through its powerful Disney Media Department. Then it's the fact they wanted to make MCU-tier money when the DCEU was more aimed to adults. And finally Snyder wants to do things his own way in a time when execs micromanage movies and that's a rebellion against the system. Hollywood wanted to make an example out of Snyder, you're supposed to shut up and obey the board
>>224269252You and one other tranny are the Snyder detractors
>>224269305Jews like money. They wouldn't have gotten rid of him if he wasn't bleeding them money. Obviously, Gunn did much worse than what kikes wanted from him.
>>224269165Snyder at least shoots like he believes the capeshit matters, even when the script is drooling on itself. Gunn writes actual character beats but then frames everything like a Disney Channel bumper with quips every 12 seconds so you don't get scared by sincerity. Basically one guy needs a writer and the other needs a cinematographer and someone to take his phone away.
>>224270150Truly brain rotted. I can't tell the retard zoomers who never read a book from the Muhammad browns here anymore.
>>224270400Finally someone else got it. Snyder was like Lucas (not on the same level, before I get scathed for the comparison) who needs another to tard wrangle his writing.
>>224270150>>224270819Yeah.
Why the hate for Snyder anyway?Watchmen was good, Suckerpunch is brainless but a fun movie with hot chicks and fun action
>>224270951hatred for straight white christian males, plain and simple
>>224270951Sucker punch was fucking trash and he only got work after that because of his wife. He is pretty fucked now after all the flops
>>224268063Good morning sir.
>>224268149He failed to hit 1 billion per movie so the higher ups thought they could do better
>>224268149couldn't deliver a million and normies rejected his vision
>>224268996No wonder why Sneeder was fired
>>224268500I unironically love the visual direction of Man of Steel. You can say it doesn't fit Superman or whatever but it has this unique understated feel to it and there isn't really anything like it. Which is why it was so shocking that BvS and JL looked like absolute dogshit.
>>224269391>The Snyderverse had a stronger start than the early MCUAnd? MoS wasn't released the same year as Hulk or Iron Man
>>224270951Because his fans are annoying as fuck
>>224271329i'm actually watching bvs right now and really if anything i would say the color grading is its weakness, visual direction is still fine. but yes mos is kino.
>>224271287Didn't the high ups pressure him to make BvS when he wanted to make man of steel 2?(not say Snyder is blameless, his version of Lex Luthor sucked).>>224270951Watchmen had solid snake tard wrangling Zack.
>>224271436>Didn't the high ups pressure him to make BvS when he wanted to make man of steel 2nope, zack is actually the one who wanted bvs. studio pressured him to add the league teaser and force in wonder woman to expand.
>>224271329>>224271395The cool thing about MoS is that Zack Snyder, acting essentially as a director-for-hire, followed specific guidance from Christopher Nolan. Nolan didn’t want Snyder to simply replicate his work on 300, with its slow-motion sequences, painterly color grading, and floaty action set-pieces. Instead, Nolan aimed for MoS to feel grounded and almost like real life, inspired by the concept of The War of the Worlds. This approach meant minimizing slow motion and adopting a naturalistic filming style, giving the impression of a documentary. The shaky-cam shots were also employed to make viewers feel like they were right in the middle of the action.
>>224271498Got it. Studio fags should have told him to either stick with MoS2 or make a Batman solo movie. >>224271521Nolan really was holding things together wasn't he?
>>224271498Not exactly. The original plan was to make MoS 2 and a MoS prequel focused on Jor-El, with Russell Crowe attached. WB, however, was pushing for a crossover with Batman, since they had previously attempted such a movie featuring Michael Keaton, and there was already an old BvS script in laying around.WB's insistence on the crossover led Nolan, who was exhausted from working on Batman films, to step away from the MoS-related projects. The only ones who stayed on were Snyder and Goyer. Snyder then began exploring the Frank Miller angle, though he still preferred a solo Batman film, something the WB executives rejected.This is why Nolan wasn’t heavily involved with BvS. Ben Affleck, who initially signed to play Batman, then stepped in to fill the vacuum as a more hands-on producer, taking on a larger creative role. He soon began requesting script changes, pushed for Goyer’s removal, and brought in his Argo collaborator, Chris Terrio, as the new screenwriter.
>>224271616you know i'm watching bvs right now and son of a bitch, terrio literally did the same shit with the ghost father moment in rise of skywalker. fucking hack.
>>224268063>First frame had 6 movies, second frame had 3 movies.>First frame numbers is all thanks to Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Suicide Squad, none of which Snyder directed.>Snyder directed all the commercial and critical flops in frame 1, with the most popular DC characters by the way.>Frame 1 was made in the golden age of superhero movies with the most popular IP and Mount Rushmore of DC characters before superhero movie fatigue and audience apathy towards DC stepped in.>Out of the 3 in frame 2, Gunn directed only 1, the commercially successful one.>Frame 2 only has one flop.> Apart from Superman, the other two movies in frame 2 are obscure characters.Yeah Snyder mogged so hard he sank the ship Gunn came to save.
>>224272155>the ship Gunn came to save.You talk about Snyder being in competition with the MCU, but the MCU and even the Sonyverse right now are mogging the fuck out of Gunn.
>>224268063Yeah bro Snyder mogged so hard that he sank the entire ship so deep that even today's audience hesitates to go and watch DC movies. Nolan with his dark night trilogy made DC a very trustable property among masses.Why don't you talk about 2018-2023 DCEU era?
>>224272299>Why don't you talk about 2018-2023 DCEU era?Nobody cares to talk about because it is nothing like the Nolan or Snyder's movies, or even something like the Joker. It is Diet MCU.
>>224272202Last year was the first time DC beat MCU at the box office. Nothing is competing against Spider Man. But MCU was vulnerable. They’ve dumped a billion into Doomsday to try and reignite fans. It’s going to end up losing money unless it makes Brand New Day type money which isn’t a sure thing. There is zero hype or build up for it
>>224272344Nobody cares about F4. And even all three movies were massive flops. If we go with that mentality Snyder beat the MCU start as well, but you wouldn't say that, would you?
>>224268311hard to disagree with this
>>224272344????
>>224272344>>224272364who gives a fuck which rich guy got more rich?
>>224272383You should know what ragebait is Rajeet
>>224272155frame 2 was hamada, after snyder left. that was when gunn came on board and took over for frame 3. also hamada had only one non flop and all gunn had were flops.
>>224272364You claimed MCU was currently destroying DC which isn’t true. Doomsday making a billion is still going to be a financial loss.
>>224272449What do you think Spider-Man did?
>>224272456That’s Sony and as said nothing is competing with Spider Man
Lets be real, the biggest problem with DC isn't Zack or James. Its the execs and the fact that WB got sold so many times.Time Warner, AT&T, Discovery and now Paramount. Now compare that with Marvel that was only bought once by Disney. And now its rumored that only DC might end up being sold.
>>224272364MCU phase 1 actually did more money than the Snyderverse.
>>224271354And it did what was supposed to do, launch a new DC franchise
>>224272582>>224272561
>>224272604They didn't struggle to gross 130 million 2026 dollars which is like $70m in the 2010s
>>224272764who the fuck cares stop necrobumping you faggot
>>224268063Proud of the money but the Snyder side of the image doesn't include the hero that actually made the big bucks.
>>224268149Incompetent retard who's movies flopped.
No James, don’t give my son a stupid little pet dog
>>224268063GUNN CAN DO ITall he needs is to make 4.1 billion dollars in a year
>five years vs four years
>>224272877but enough about gunn
>>224268149He was a terrible filmmaker. Also the comparison is comparing 6 films to 2 films.
James Gunn did a great job with Suicide Squad and GOTG because all those characters are shit no one cares about so you can do whatever you want with them but you can't apply the same type of direction with Superman or Supergirl. The casting also sucked for the most part. You don't start your universe in the middle of something. Superman was already a few years into his run. Fuck that shit. MCU starts with a world with no heroes, no villains, just a fucking dude that had to build a suit in a cave because he almost died. Then it escalates from there. So fucking stupid. START WITH A WORLD WITH NO SUPERHUMANS. NOTHING! Start with a Batman movie where he fights The Penguin and The Joker. Then tease a Superman baby landing on Earth 20 something years before that. Then do a Superman movie ala Smallville and focus more on his teenage years then the last 30 minutes he becomes Superman after something tragic happens. Then tease General Zod. Then do a second Batman movie where he saves Robin and recruits him. They can fight The Riddler or some shit. Then tease The Flash. Then do a second Superman movie where all he's doing is saving people and animals from fires and shit, Lex Luthor starts seething, then they fight at the end while Lex Luthor has a super suit (doesn't know about Superman's Kryptonite weakness yet) but he gets Superman's DNA through their fight. Tease the kryptonite at the end. Then do a Wonder Woman movie. I don't give a fuck what would happen in that. Add Aquaman there too. Have them team up or some shit. Do a Flash and Green Arrow movie against Captain Cold and Gorilla Grodd. Have Green Lantern show up to help. Last 20 minutes has Batman and Superman show up to recruit them. Justice League movie where they fight off General Zod's invasion.There. That fucking simple. Fucking retards man.
>>224273106>James Gunn did a great job with Suicide SquadThat was the biggest flop in the snyderverse
>>224273106>MCU starts with a world with no heroes, no villains, just a fucking dude that had to build a suit in a cave because he almost diedincredible hulk and captain america both happen before the first iron man btw
>>224273106>muh 10-year planthis stinks to high heaven, gunn's idea to push ahead was honestly better than this, it was just the execution he botched.
>>224273207>incredible hulk and captain america both happen before the first iron man btwBoth came after Iron Man you fucking retard. Did you really not understand what I said?
>>224273247jackass, i'm talking about story-wise. i know both films released afterwards. you're a fucking retard.
>>224273227Yeah man and that's why it succeeded right? Dumbass. If you're going to copy the MCU then fucking copy it. You dipshits want to do it differently and it fucking fails every single time.
>>224273258Yeah no fucking shit you mongoloid. That's irrelevant to what I'm fucking saying. Hulk and Captain Marvel didn't exist when people watched Iron Man in 2008 you stupid fuck. How can I get that across to your stupid little faggot head? Goddamn get a fucking clue you idiot
>>224272901DC's individual valuation represents a fraction—roughly 4% to 12%—of the total $85.4 billion to $108.7 billion valuation that Time Warner commanded during its acquisition by AT&T. If it needs to make more than 5% a year to keep it a float, that would equate ruffly to 600m which looks achievable.
>>224273594maybe the bare minimum 200m and mid 400m which is still worse than Gunn's 4y at 110m.
>>224268063>be Gunn>be an extremely shitty writer and director that only found success being tard wrangled by Feige>somehow your pedo narcissism makes you think you're hot shit after three movies of genocidal CG racoon dropping quips>go to DC>somehow trick the dumb fuck suits to make you head of DC, immediately multiple big budget DC movies flop and are cancelled>The Batman 2 is on hold as Gunn fights to steal the character>finally releases his DC Superman movie (his soiboi army pretended TSS never happened)>despite huge gaslighting by the online soiboi community, the movie becomes a flop with International audiences and far behind MoS not even adjusting for inflation>has to keep shill Peacemaker wherever possible, making Peacemaker more important than the actual man of steel>all upcoming projects are inbound flops and only appealing to a soiboi online forum warrior like Gunn>doesn't even dare to call Man of Tomorrow a Superman sequel>Supergirl is yet another wacky space comedy GoTG rehashBRAVOOOOO
>>224273594>>224273832600m across 30 films is absolutely doable
>>224271322for gradually building up the brand?
>>224273914>>Supergirl is yet another wacky space comedy GoTG rehashWell GoTG made more money than MoS, so attempt makes sense.
>>224273954>for gradually balding up the brand?fix
>>224268149Because Snyder didn't make Marvel bucks. That was what WB expected: to each DC movie to be as big or bigger as the biggest Marvel movies were at that time.
>>224268063Comics are gay
>>224268149WB didn't know what the fuck they were doing, hopefully that changes under Skydance
>>224273954>gradually building up the brand>No strong support cast, most of the characters are Silver Age relics.>Gadot and Miller as one of the main actors>BvS right after MoS and followed up by a fucking Justice League>No Batman movie>WW movie is a fucking prequel>Aquaman movie might be considered just a spin-off which leads to nowhere
>>224268149>I have never seen a film before and have zero context.Kill yourself, retard.
