Previous >>4480560Thread for yuri discussion of:>Genshin Impact>Honkai Impact 3rd>Honkai Star Rail>Guns GirlZ>Zenless Zone Zeroand other applicable miHoYo/Hoyoverse games
Either my googles are too tight, or the octogirl wants the stinky proxy pussy
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>>4494467Trigger dipping into yandere mommy mode is cute
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>>4494388I thought Yidhari wouldn't be into Belle based off her trailer. Turns out she's very much into Belle. Stelle, Kiana, and Lumine don't have anything on Belle when it comes to getting women. Honestly anyone else ok if ZZZ was the only Hoyo game they give the MC multiple lovers? Genshin should just be Ayaka or Shenhe and Star Rail should just be March. Cyrene’s personality felt like it would've worked better in ZZZ to me.
>>4494386>>4494387>>4494388>>4494516Belle is so lucky...
>>4494763>that tentacle
>>4494763I like how short Belle is compared to her. Height gap just adds so much more cuteness to Belle's ships.
between Yidhari and Ellen, Belle is one of the few girls who instead of going on aquarium dates, she just fucks the aquarium
>>4495141Belle is one lucky woman. She's got a shark and now an octopus. I wonder what's next a whale
Finally playing the Sumeru event and my god you can't convince me Sumeru isn't the gayest nation. Dehya traveling and buying outfits for Candace is really cute. I don't think there's been a yuri ship consistently shown together as much as them in Hoyo. Have there been a single time we've seen Dehya that she isn't with Candace or mentions her?
Lucky Lady Thelema gets to control this.Lucky Cuteque gets to be controlled by this.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NccLyRQQZYNew Hoyo game announcedSome kind of urban fantasy setting action game
>>4495867So far only Female MC shown
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>>4495872Face looks kinda weird to me
>>4495877I guess it was just the screenshot that made it look strange to me. It looks fine in motion
>>4495867>>4495872Is this gonna be a gacha game? This looks like an actual game rather than a gacha game. Honestly if I was Hoyo I'd announce that this game was where all the money from GI and HSR went to. If nothing else its a nice looking game. People might buy it if Hoyo were to say that. I'm gonna keep an eye out for this game. I hope there's only a female MC in this.
>>4495905>I hope there's only a female MC in this.https://x.com/Varsapura/status/1991672920112849236>Upon entering Varsapura, the protagonist’s appearance shifts to match each viewer’s preferencesUnfortunately, new Hoyo is not brave enough to do something like that.>Is this gonna be a gacha game? This looks like an actual game rather than a gacha gameI hope so too, but judging by the combat gameplay at the end of the trailer, it looks like it's gonna be a gacha
What are the odds Hoyo changes Edo from of fear Chinese players being angry?
>>4496186Anything that delay Sakura getting into HSR is a good thing in my book
>>4496194She'll be another Caelus lover. Seriously most of the expies have been unnecessarily linked to the TB. Kevin, Elysia, and even Acheron were all randomly written as being so close to the TB for no reason. At least with Firefly she's a brand new character so it doesn't feel as forced at times when the game ships her with the TB and makes them be so close. But hey no matter what they do to her won't be as bad as Luocha, who I honestly think the game forgot exists.
>>4496283Stelle*
>>4496290I said Caelus because you just know he'll be the one that they use in her demo, if she even comes out now
I ended up liking Yidhari more than I thought I would. Her and Belle are cute
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>>4496283Tfw Bronya and Seele are the only ones who got spared. At least none of Acheron's videos have the TB at all, but the way hoyo tried to force them to be close was so badly written.
>>4496186Is there a single source for this other than one "leaker"?
>>4494377>start playing ZZZ>pick girl>guy sticks around anyway>game is forcing me to play as him not even 30 min laterI don't know why I still give Hoyo chances.
>>44965892 leakers with near-perfect track records (neither are new either).We’ll see in ~10d with 4.0 drip and 3.8 stream (which should have a 4.x teaser). If we still don’t know then we’ll 100% know by the time we get a 4.x teaser from TGA and 4.0 beta is out.
>>4496839>>guy sticks around anywayBecause they're distinct characters and not just alternate versions of the same blank slate protagonist. Without writing two completely different scripts, the game does quite a bit to make Belle as the MC feel different from Wise as MC. Plus, it's stated in-game that Wise as Second Assistant leaves talking to women up to his sister since he admits he's a too much of a nerd (the admittedly bad Astra trailer notwithstanding), so I don't see the issue.>>game is forcing me to play as him not even 30 mins laterIf you're talking about where Belle gets trapped in the Hollow and Wise has to rescue her, that part is weirdly out of place since IIRC the game never forces you to play as Wise again.There's plenty of reasons to criticize ZZZ, but outside of a one or two outliers, how the game handles the Phaethon siblings as main characters is the least of them.
>>4496848Oh yeah you reminded me, picrel was posted today
Cyrene might have made less money than expected, so I hope it will send hoyo the message that waifubait is not profitable.
>>4496848The Genshin twins are separate characters too, but after you pick Lumine they don't keep the guy around to constantly remind you that he's the one the game wants you to be playing as, as if all the trailers and illustrations aren't enough of a clue.I also find it curious that there's a "weirdly out of place" sequence where you have to take control of the guy regardless of your preferences, but no such "weirdly out of place" sequence where the opposite happens.
>>4496851>Belle hanging out with the agents without WiseEvery day we are closer to this thread being canon https://x.com/Mlickles/status/1990386609699598440
>>4496863The opposite does happen if you picked Wise
>>4496863Belle sticks around if you pick Wise as MC, so is that a constant reminder the game wants you to be playing as her instead?>as if all the trailers and illustrations aren't enough of a clueThis isn't even true outside of the singular Astra trailer which I already said was not good and has not been replicated since. I'm pretty sure most of the illustrations feature Belle much more prominently than Wise, and the dev livestreams use Belle as the MC when showing off gameplay and cutscenes significantly more often than Wise.>no such sequence where the opposite happensIt's not exactly the same, but also in 1.0 content, there's a cutscene where Zhu Yuan saves Belle from getting hit by a car, which would seem like a typical meet cute moment for sibling you picked as the protag, but it's her getting saved even if you pick Wise. I can't think of any time other than these two instances where your choice of protag doesn't change what happens to which sibling, so yes, it is weirdly out of place with the rest of the game.I would obviously prefer if Belle were the only option for main character, but on the whole, so far, ZZZ has been good about not making Wise feel like the default and Belle an afterthought.>>4496874The "Emergency Rescue" commissions from the Chapter 1 Interlude always involve Wise rescuing Belle from the Hollow regardless of who you picked as main character.
>>4496883the astra trailer and the follow up comment at the beach are total dealer breakers though
>>4496896The Astra trailer is a travesty, it's true. I'll also admit that I forgot about Caesar's song PV which featured a nondescript but suspiciously Wise-ish guy as the object of her shoujo fantasies (though to be fair no one cares about Caesar). If they release a third trailer pandering to Wisefags before even one featuring Belle, then it would be undeniable he's getting special treatment in the marketing. Then again, it's been almost a year since Astra's trailer and nothing like it has come out since. If they were going to do it, it would be to shill for Ye Shunguang. Guess we'll see in a few weeks if they'll resist the temptation.But that's all marketing. As for what's actually in game, there is one other moment that I can think of where events don't change based on the chosen sibling: Jane always flirts with Belle and Belle alone at the end of her special episode. I miss Jane.
>>4496928well we did get that Belle feeding Vivian promo recently
>>4496928>If they release a third trailer pandering to Wisefags before even one featuring Belle, then it would be undeniable he's getting special treatment in the marketingYou mean it's not undeniable now that he has two to her zero?
>>4496940Once is a fluke, twice is coincidence, third time's a pattern that would indicate deliberately snubbing Belle. Maybe I'm naïve, but I'm still willing to give the devs the benefit of the doubt at this point.Anyway, Tomiya is the real winner in terms of marketing so far. Thiren girls can't resist a woman in uniform.
>>4496928It’s not the Astra pv and follow up confirming the pv happened ingame that’s really the issue It’s the fact that they chose Astra for it despite the dynamic they already created for her and EvelynThese people are not clueless. The developers knew, or at least some of them knew I hope, how the fans would perceive the relationship. To basically throw that in the trash and do the pv should be enough to show you their true colors.
>>4497146PVs are poor representations of what happens in game. Remember the Star rail 2.0 PV that implied we'd be going on a huge multi part date with Firefly and it was just a couple scenes before the Balcony scene instead (which was nice but still)
>>4497156Do you actually play ZZZAstra had a follow up scene in on the beach zone that confirmed the PV happened, she even makes it very clear she sang it for W**e if you talk to her as Belle
>>4497156They are still taken as canon (which they are) and paraded around by people as proof to support their ships.Imagine if that same PV had Evelyn or Belle (not that it ever would coming from Hoyo lmao), how people would've reacted here. They knew what they were doing when they made it, made it star Wise, and then made doubly sure to have dialogue in-game to confirm that it happened in that exact manner, with that character.You people's misplaced faith in this company is astounding. They never gave us anything and are quick to correct it with prejudice when it seems like they did.
>>4496943There's a noticeable Wise bias regardless of how you try to spin it. Did people forget about Caesar's "haha yeah we're like a couple(of besties!) haha" so quickly?
>>4497190to be fair, Caesar is the most obvious hetslut so far in the game
>>4497196Could say the same about Astra after that trailer.
Just finished the third chapter of part 2 and wow, people were not kidding when they said these were a messThe first two chapters are less of a story a sequence of characters dropping exposition dumps and lore bombs on each other over and over and over again. All written in that convoluted, faux philosophical style that Hoyo loves. This combines with all the jargon, technobabble, and the occasionally sketchy translation to make the whole thing nearly incomprehensible unless you watch a lore video where someone explains the whole thingThat said, the third chapter is a massive, massive improvement and I disagree with lumping it in with the other 2 as one of the bad chaptersIt still has some problems but the characters stop being exclusively vehicles for exposition and start being actual characters. The standouts for me were Songque, Thelema, and Baiji. Especially Songque, I'm not ashamed to admit she made me cry a little bit, more than onceI'm honestly not sure whether I hate or love the twist at the end but I'm definitely curious where they're taking the story next
>>4497393 (me)>spoilerOn second thought, I'm not sure whether I really like his character, or whether I was just impressed by the part where he tries to go through with the Rite of Tears
>>4497393Chapter 3 is an improvement over the previous two but it’s still significantly worse than everything that comes after it in my opinion.
>>4497393 (me)Just realized I forgot to talk about the protagonists, but honestly, in a lot of ways, this wasn't really their story, they were just witnesses to it>HeliaI like her, she's seems like a relatable dork and a goody two shoes who takes herself a bit too seriously. Very bulliable and vulnerable to teasing. A bit bland, but I've heard she'll improve>CoralieShe's pretty smart, I like how she's always the first one to get what's going on and usually has something insightful to say. She's kinda funny too but I don't really gel with her sense of humor>EntropyShe's not unlikable, but you can really tell she was written to match the modern Hoyo philosophy of creating a bland self insert protag. That said, I like how she's the rational and studios type, she kinda feels like a better written version of Wise>SenadinaI'm not sure she counts as one of the protagonists considering The Twist, but I like her. A bit bland but I've always had a weakness for the cute, genki, sportsy type. I desperately want to know what's up with her.
>>4497426 (me)>>SenadinaAlso, what up with the lightning scar on her chest? No one ever brings it up, but it's the first thing I think about everytime she's onscreen
Need more songlema
>>4496194With how the new world is supposed to be more on the sci-fi side, plus Silver Wolf getting an alt that's supposed to be running at the same time, I'm wondering if HSR's Yae might be more Kasumi than Sakura?
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>>4496848I'd argue Belle and Wise are just as generic and other Hoyo MCs. There's very little difference between Wise and Belle besides Belle is a bit more energetic
>>4497573I guess this is one of the universe's bad ends Elio didn't account for.
>>4497146Anon lets be honest they were always planning to ship Astra with the Proxy. The bangboo kiss and Wise basically saying he wants to jack off to Astra's bikini photo she sent to Belle confirms that the devs want Astra to be the object of Wise's (self insert players) affection. They repeat the same thing with Alice. Her constellation literally mean lover of Phaethon.
>>4497190Wasn't there a lot of discourse over Miaybi where they changed the dialogue for Wise and Belle in one scene?
>>4497585Yes, in one of her events, if you play as Wise, he says he's her fiance to have a creep stop bothering Miyabim but if you play as Belle she still says she's engaged to WiseSo much for not having any differences when you start the game
>>4497576Not even Elio could've predicted how much Stelle would love Topaz's thighs
>>4496863>>4496883It's kind of a double-edged sword imo?Like yeah, Lumine & Aether and Belle & Wise are all in-universe characters regardless of who you play as. But with Genshin consigning the NPC sibling to a rarely-seen overarching antagonist role, this just results in every piece of advertising reinforcing that you're SUPPOSED to pick Aether, that Lumine isn't "The Traveler", etc. etc.. Meanwhile in ZZZ, as the siblings both play a role regardless of which you choose, they both remain present and feel respected as options for a player lens.Conversely Genshin's presumption of Aether being the PC means we get gay-by-proxy stuff by virtue of the player-centric writing, vs. ZZZ going out of its way to differentiate Belle & Wise and emphasize heterosexual relationships.
I dunno about y'all but I am having a fantastic week. I'm not actually, but the official and adjacent content is at least making life slightly more bearable.
>>4497593Honestly this is what makes Jeht even gayer and arguably one of the gayest Hoyo characters. Regardless of which twin you pick they make it clear she has feelings only for Lumine. I hope them mentioning her in the recent event means she will likely show up again.
I swear Mualani can be shipped with every female in the game. Her personality just makes her so likeable
>>4497613I thought her interactions with Nilou were cute
>>4497593A***er being featured as the traveler in Genshin was a marketing decision made on day 1. It's frustrating but at least I can understand the direction. Plus Jeht was a huge win.The two Astra moments in ZZZ came out of nowhere. That's much worse with nothing comparable on Belle's side besides the one Yidhari CG, and basically makes the devs completely untrustworthy.
I mean Hoyo aside yuri fans would likely just ship whatever woman got some special trailer with Belle with the other woman that would inevitably drop in the same patch. There are people that literally didn't like 2.3 because it didn't pander to Lucia x Yidhari enough. Proxy trailers will always be considered pandering doesn't really matter which of them they use.
>>4497593>feel respected as options for a player lensExcept for all those times where the game makes it abundantly clear that the player route is written for Wise. He's the only one who gets ship tease that is aimed solely at him: Astra, Caesar, Miyabi, they all have events that play romantically for him but platonically or worse for Belle, while the opposite never happens. Whenever a girl shows interest in Belle (e.g. Yidhari, Pulchra, Vivian) it's only by proxy because they react the same way to Wise, and at times you, as Belle, are forced to straight up wingman for Wise with a girl, which again never happens the other way around.The bias is so clear you have to be willfully ignorant to deny it. At my most cynical I would even say Belle is kept around not primarily as a "respected option" for the player but as yet another flavor of waifubait, for all the siscons out there who were shipping Aether and Lumine from day one, and you can choose to play as her because at that point they might as well do it to appeal to a broader audience.
One day I'm gonna make a game with 2 protagonists to pick and both will be women.
>>4497691These HoyoFair illustrations are pretty great.
>>4497681Incest is Wincest. Just a shame there aren't more Sister/Sister pairs though... only one that comes to mind is Ganyu/Shenhe, which is really only on a technicality?
>>4497681Except for the fact that this game does pander to Belle just not with woman. Hoping for yuri in a Chinese game is like looking for water in space.
>>4497742>Hoping for yuri in a Chinese game is like looking for water in space.Which then begs the question of why the fuck does it warrant having a permanent thread on a board dedicated to yuri.
>>4497744Anon forgot Honkai Impact is unambiguously yuri.
>>4497744Just because the company will never make ANY ship canon no reason fans can't just do what fandoms have always done. Also pandering is nice when you're the target of it.
>>4497750I didn't, but let's not pretend this isn't Star Rail the thread most of the time.
>>4497757Star Rail is gayer than a significant amount of the other current threads already, though.
>>4497744This board has threads for one piece, shounen, evangelion and other non-yuri garbage. ONE thread for 3+ games is not the issue
>>4497776Not really
>>4497776My point was that it is the most talked about game here followed by GI. HI3 seems mostly brought up to vent about HSR fucking up its expys and ZZZ always just devolves into ranting about Wise so it's better when it isn't talked about.
>>4497681The onii-san stuff with Belle is crazy>>4497793HSR seems to be more talked about because of the bad story
>>4497776You wouldn't know it the way some anons go on.
>>4497797I mean its true though
>>4497804Belle a whole freak..
how is 2.4 for zzz? how long is it ?
>>4497846It's broken, pretty much all dubs for it are muted probably cuz they are backpedaling on killing the the Ye girl
Haven't looked at leaks for a long while but Dialyn gives you an extra Ult?!? Dialyn + Ye Shunguang is about to go so crazy. Also, Ye Shunguang's moveset + Ult is so sexy, large AOE attacks and long iframes. If she's not too complicated to play then they'll definitely have (finally) topped Miyabi. >>4497921Insane an upcoming banner character is missing lines.
Your thoughts on Laufer?
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>>4498627I haven't played genshin since Natlan, but they look good together
>>4498627Its probably my favorite new ship
>>4498734You make it sound like Natlan didn't finish just a few months ago
>>4498627>>4498746Just look at THIS
>>4498783And you have lined like this
>>4498627Nod Krai reminds me of the good old days, hope they don't fuck it up.
>>4497613Have Furina and Nilou met yet? feels like it should happen sometime
Can Durandal handle all that?
>>4499106Part2 is the gift that keeps on giving>>4498345Her damage as of V2 is subpar, but her gameplay is the simplest ever. She doesn’t care about stuns at all, her damage is fixed and you simply loop her two basic4s over and over (switch to Zhao/Dialyn to refresh buffs and re-enter form), plus you never use her 2nd ult since it’s a DPS loss (using ult1 = more special form uptime).I’m hoping for a complete overhaul by V3 personally; completely ignoring stun is both boring and a damage loss, her optimal rotation using only 2 of her basics + ult1 is bad when she has so many good looking animations that you’ll basically never see (especially ult2).
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is kiana still known in these parts?
Not the worst Archon Quest and had some cute parts for Lauma and NeferBut the entire Rerir backstory being nonstop het was almost as bad as having to listening to Adventurine's groans.
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>>4499199I wish Columbina wasn't part of the Fatui. Just like with Arle and Childe and Constance having a member of an evil organization become playable ruins said organization. Now they no longer feel like enemies but just future allies and characters we need to save for. Constance's whole conversation and confrontation with BS and Acheron feel meaningless now that she's gonna be an ally to the Express. Same with the Harbingers. So many Harbingers have become allies to the Traveler the Fatui no longer feel like the Akatsuki of Genshin, but rather misguided friends we will meet down the line. I wish we could get more evil characters that just stay villains and never become playable.
>>4499196I love Kiamei, but haven't gone past part 1 in hi3's story
>>4498627they make me insane
>>4499106Nice to see them refreshing the classics. First the age gap roleplay, now a sensual dance? Delicious.
>>4499208Eh, that ship sorta sailed ages ago imo. Early Genshin sure, the Fatui definitely seemed like an "Evil Organization," and while still consistently an /antagonistic/ force, they haven't really been portrayed as "Evil" since like, Inazuma. Even as early as the Chasm we got some grunts being more fleshed out, then Sumeru gave us Wanderer's "sad backstory redemption" bit. From then and right up to now, the only one that still feels "Evil" is Zandik, and even the recent event gave some indication they might be sanding the edges off him too.
>>4499297A "quirky mini boss squad" like the Harbingers was always going to have some variety in how its members will turn out and Winter Night Lazzo still made it clear they were antagonists Anyways, losing evil Arle was rough but I'm glad she at least gained a (tragic) childhood love and she has no notable Traveler pandering. Just thinking about this stern and magnificent woman once loved a happy go lucky girl makes me happy.
>>4499297I was more complaining about Hoyo's reluctance of having villains, since everyone needs to become a gacha character. Constance is probably the weirdest one of them all. She has no need to become playable other than Hoyo knows some people like her design. Its a shame since Hoyo is lacking human antagonists in their games. Its one of the reasons why I find most of the stories so forgettable. Regardless of how people here feel about him I'm at least happy Nod Krai tried to fix that problem with it's villain
>>4499358My issue with Arle is she doesn't feel as strong as her rank suggests. Playing her story quest I couldn't help but be slightly disappointed by her boss fight. To be the 4th strongest Fatui they make her feel like a slight stronger version of Childe. It says a lot when people think its BS for the Traveler to lose the #4 of the Fatui Harbingers. She shouldn't felt more imposing
>>4499371The only people who think that are aether sloppers though ?
>>4499463No
>>4499370Good villains are hard to write, because they aren't villains. The just have a different perspective on things.If you don't mean villains, but actually just evil characters, that's often just boring anyways, and probably not suited for the game's overall tone. The most recent "gone mad" char was also a "good guy" before. Waste of time filler trying to justify itself by giving crumbs of the setting.
>>4499491No, you're still in your "everything needs le nuance/ambiguity" phase. Which is pretty typical for older teens and young adults I guess.But downright evil characters can be interesting. Hoyo just doesnt have the ability to do them.
>>4499497Downright evil characters can't be interesting. Please. If you are just evil because you get a kick of it, there's no story, no meaning, no anything. You may as well be a random monster setting out to destroy a city.Extremes are never good.
>>4499499By that logic Halloween, Silence of the Lamb, Nightmare on Elms Street, Dark Knight, and many other movies shouldn't work since they have completely ever villains. You're just wrong on this one anon. I also disagree with this take here >>4499491 Good villains aren't hard to write if you actually take time to properly build them up. Just because they have a different perspective doesn't mean they aren't any less villainous. >>4499497Completely agree. This is more Hoyo's inability to write compelling villains than evil villains not being interesting
>>4499490The fuck you mean, "no". Most of the people critical of that scene of the "traveler" losing was self-inserters.
>>4499520Not really. Unless you're saying people that want more consistent writing to be self inserters?
>>4499196People here outright admit only caring for popular games and just brush off whenever you bring HI3 up.
>>4499525We're here for the yuri. If it was about popularity the none of Belle's ships would ever get posted here
>>4499523"Consistent writing" All you're saying is that you think Arle hasn't shown enough merit to be of her rank #4. Which is subjective. The traveler is still using a basic ass damn sword in that scene as well. How exactly should they have beaten Arle ?
>>4499531Phaeton* ship.Besides popularity, it's just a shitflinging show with some people trying to hate on the ones that like HSR for no good reason when Genshin, HSR, and ZZZ are all on the same boat.
>>4499531Belle's most popular ship is with her Brother. ZZZ is garbo
>>4499550Based off the Traveler's past feats they shouldn't have lost considering the game doesn't show us Arle reaching feats fitting her rank. That's not a self insert thing that's a writing issue.
>>4499563>Past Feats Haha..you're not being serious right ? Arle literally fucking kicked the previous knave through the roof at supersonic speeds while she was a damn kid
>>4499554I don't think you get my point anon
>>4499564True. But with no clear understanding of how strong that Knave was/is to the current group of characters its hard to really say she is/was that strong. I'm simply stating how every other Fatui Harbinger in game that we fought showed off great feats before we battled them that being so easily beaten by Arle, when she didn't do next to anything in game, felt a bit forced. The writing could've done better to make her feel as imposing as the fourth Harbinger should feel.
>>4499564Ultimately you're not understanding me. I'm not saying Arle can't or shouldn't beat the Traveler. I'm saying the story does such a poor job building her that I, and many others, don't buy that she could beat them so easily.
>>4499567I can get saying you want more scenes of her being bad ass to show her rank. I just don't get how that means the traveler shouldn't have lost to her. Because the traveler hasn't shown anything near Arle's powers despite Arle being underplayed as you're implying. That said we just want more Arle, and ultimately I can toast to that. Sorry if I showed any anger
>>4499569The Traveler defaeted Ei and defeated Scara while he was becoming a god. Did you skip over these parts?
>>4499571They had major help to defeat "Ei". Also why use Scara ? He isn't even strong
>>4499572He became a god in is god boss fight
>>4499567>every other Fatui Harbinger in game that we fought showed off great featsWhat "feats" did Signora show? And why the fuck are people on /u/ using powerscaler language?>>4499491These aren't the only possibilities. You can have a villain with "noble intentions", but that still does fucked up shit to achieve it and refuses to accept they are wrong
>>4499589She beat up Venti in her debut dumbass
>>4499589>And why the fuck are people on /u/ using powerscaler languageI fucking hate loser gatekeepers like this. People can bring up other topics here.
>>4499591In general, yes, but powerscalers are absolute cancer and should stay in their own spaces.>>4499590Anyone can beat that drunk bum
>>4499589Shut the fuck up anon
>>4499596>gatekeeping is only bad as long as someone other than me does itAgain I fucking hate gatekeeping losers like this
>>4499575"Gods"...."gods" in genshin are shit anon
>>4499596This is a dumb rebuttal. How is it wrong to talk about power ranking in an organization that seems to rank its members based on strength. Powerscaling and talking about the Fatui Harbingers kind of go hand and hand here. You also seem lost on my original point, which is me saying I wish they did more with Arle to show off how powerful she is rather than what we ended up getting. If you actually bothered to read anything I wrote you'd understand that.
>>4499610Tell that to Signora
>>4499612? Signora was a dogshit bumb. Literally got killed off to boost the MC lmao
>>4499617This has to be ragebait
>>4499619Didn't think Signora fags still existed
>>4499620No its just dumb that you said she was only killed to boost the MC. What a retarded way to phrase the villain got beat
>>4499603Go powerscale Phainon on reddit, fag>>4499605I never said gatekeeping was bad, but I was delusional in expecting powerscalers knew how to read
>>4499610>>4499617The gods are shit. The Fatui are shit. Is there anything you don't think is shit? Are you done saying nonsense for attention anon?
>>4499623Retard is complaining about powerscaling when we are talking about a group that ranks off of power. Fuck off idiot
>>4499624Well Genshin is shit so yeah. The fatui are retards and jobbers. Imagine bringing up Signora as an argument of "Power" lmao
>>4499623>I never said gatekeeping was badThat just makes you a bigger loser then
>>4499626Let me guess ZZZ is shit and Star Rail is shit too. Hoyo as a company is shit. You're only here to tell us all this stuff is shit. That's it right anon?
>>4499629Indeed. Hoyo is shit at doing Yuri and shouldn't even be on this board. Also why bring up ZZZ ? The game where Astra, the supposed lesbian had more shit with Wise and Belle the female MC having more shit with her brother than any of the other women.
>>4499630I'm 65
>>4499631Ok so if Hoyo is dogshit and shouldn't be here does that mean the people that post here are dogshit?
>>4499632Yeah I highly doubt a 65 year old cares about yuri in gacha games.
>>4499633>>4499634Yes. Also stop samefagging, retard
I mean...purnice is pretty safe if you don't mind kemono
>>4499637Yes, funny enough she is somehow one of the safe ones.
>>4499636Yeah you're definitely just a loser troll. Get a life.
>>4499641Ok "Yuri" Fan. Keep defending Hoyo's shitty ass writting and "pairings"
>>4499643And you keep sticking around here when you claim you hate everything about Hoyo. Maybe you are 65. That would explain you you have so much time to come here and shit on Hoyo when you could be spending your time doing literally anything else.
>>4499645Why you*
>>4499645Yeah I come here to convince retards like you to stop defending Hoyo's bs. I used to like them, I really did. But you can't defend this crap anymore man.
>>4499647So you come here just to annoy people? So you're a troll. Thanks for admitting it
>>4499648I don't get it. What do you honestly see in Hoyo for yuri nowadays ? They've shot down multiple ships and pandered to male inserts constantly.
>>4499649Anon you were calling Signora, the Fatui, and the gods dogshit. You clearly aren't here just to "defend" yuri. You just want to troll and ragebait people. Now that I got confirmation on that I'm just gonna ignore you.
>>4499651Well yes they are dogshit, that's still true. Genshin's writing is fundamentally flawed and their villains have been lackluster. Signora didn't have any major effect on the plot or characters, she was quickly beaten and left to be forgotten. I don't see how people see that as some good type of writing. Nonetheless, this is a yuri board and we should get back on topic.
>>4499653You just said there's no yuri in these games. I'm gonna leave you with these final words. Get a life. Or do something that you actually enjoy. Stop coming here and being a buzzkill.
>>4499654There isn't any, list examples of actual Yuri. Hoyo's main yuri rep came from HI3.
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>>4499656I mean, and HI3 still has plenty of yuri. I don't give a fuck about the other games, but you don't have much of a point in hating Mihoyo as a whole when the root is still there, people around here just don't talk about it much because they're trend chasers.
>>4499784>trend chasersMore like Hi3rd is old and the most new player unfriendly game I've ever had the displeasure of trying.It actively hates you playing it if you haven't already played it for years.
>>4499784>trend chasersLet's be honest with ourselves anon. HI3 isn't on anyone's top 5 best gacha games of all time. The yuri is the only thing the game has going for it. That's a PGR player saying people are teens chasers because they just want to talk about WuWa.
>>4499820>HI3 isn't on anyone's top 5 best gacha games of all timeIt's on mine >The yuri is the only thing the game has going for itThe boss fights and story presentation are the best out of any Hoyo games right now
>>4499820HI3 was a trailblazer doing proper 3d action combat on mobileSaying it's not on some zoomer's top 5 is like saying Citizen Kane doesnt hold up
>>4499873Citizen Kane is fucking boring anon and you know it
>>4499873>Citizen KaneNot to get off topic but is this movie really as good as boomers claim it to be? It looks like a movie my grandmother loved but I'd fall asleep to.
>>4499894Way to miss the point entirely
>>4500121I didn’t miss the point. You brought up a shit to try to prive yours.
>>4500130>a shitlol alright kiddo
>>4500146Says the one using lol
>>4499873To be fair there was like 5 gacha games back then. If you were playing gacha games this would probably be in the top 5 by default. As new games came out people stopped playing HI3, since it's a very basic game visually and gameplay wise. Then again people still play FGO so maybe it's Hoyo oversaturation that hurt HI3.
Sandrone is a tsundere idiot
>>4500331Tautology
>>4500331She's telling you to chase after her, Sandrone!
>>4500331Are they the gayest Genshin ship to date?
>>4500848I like the idea of Jane wrapping her tail around Belle in a romantic way. Its almost like she wants to be as close to her as possible
>>4497806Belle was born a freak
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https://youtu.be/dUZl4ssk5Pw?si=hKpJ3sJr7HWKM0exI guess Firefly is dying (again?)It's all pain and suffering so of course it's a Stelle trailer
>>4501119That's her only character trait.
>>4501119Shes gonna take a Stellaron into her to counteract her illness shes literally Stelle's soulmate
>>4501119Honestly this trailer reminded me of how little I care about the Penacony and its characters. Dahlia also feels so random here. She has nothing to do with Firefly.
>>4501140They implied in the actual stream that Firefly and Dahlia already know eachother
>>4501149Why only imply this now? They had patches to tease this yet did nothing. That's why I still think its random regardless of them creating a bullshit connection between them to justify it.
>>4501149Sure they do lmao
>>4501119>>4501137My main issue with Firefly is the game treats her like a lover interest but has yet to write why she loves Stelle. She's only slightly better than Cyrene that loves Stelle for 0 reason other than waifu. I don't get why these two are pushed with Stelle when March is such a better option. Personally Cyrene should've been paired with Phainon or someone else whole Firefly should've been paired with Robin or something.
>>4501154Love interest*
>>4501154We dont have the entire past of stelle with the stellaron hunters yet. Maybe we get to find out that in 4.0 if that ever happens now
>>4501161The problem lies with the fact that there's no point to the secrecy. They waited so long that there's really no point in telling us now.
>>4501164>The problem lies with the fact that there's no point to the secrecy.The point is to pad the story out as much as possible.
>>4501448Which you can still do. Why does dropping hints that they have a connection and padding out the story have to be separate from each other?
>>4501460When you use random bullshit for padding you end up with things like the Rappa monkey banana brain rot chapter. Firefly is popular so people will actually come back for her story content.
Is this one of you?
>>4501729What I mean is that you can tease these things so that they don't feel like asspulls later on. For example if Stelle and Firefly knew each other why have it be shown to us in a random flashback with Stelle during the unrelated Amphoreus story first instead of teasing some form of prior connection with Firefly in the Penacony story first. Same with Dahlia. Why just say they know each other now instead of actually having them mention each other before if they knew the 3.8 story would heavily feature them together in some way. That would be better than jobbing her out to Acheron and doing nothing else. Now it feels random that we're coming back to Penacony for no reason just so Firefly, who has no connection to the planet, can deal with a character she's shown to have had no connection to before 3.8.Even weirder is the timing of this patch. There was no real conclusion for Amphoreus that going back to Penacony feels rushed, which is funny since Amphoreus was a long ass bloat of a story. I just wish the game would do better at setting things up. I can't think of 1 setup that was done well or had a good payoff. They've all been terrible. It feels like the writers are making shit up as they go.
>>4501820Some of these things might have been legit asspulls and rewrites. The Constance one was likely the case.
>>4501902What's crazy is Black Swan is right there. I know she's in the trailer but it would suck if she doesn't play a major roll in the story.
Gay activity spotted
>>4501971Leakers said Black Swan is one of the main characters, alongside TB, FF and Constance Hopefully they are right.
Unless Stelle and Firefly literally have sex in 3.8, I don't care what happens during the story.
A second exes allegation has hit the towers
>>4502802I like how they spent months trying to push TB with Cyrene just to reintroduce her wife at the end
>>4503220I keep asking myself why is Black Swan still on the Express. She serves 0 purpose to the Express. If anything she represents the opposite of the Express
>>4501820Hoyoverse has always been writers making shit as they go, and that includes Genshin too.
>>4503222She's homeless now, so she might as well be a Nameless.
>>4503222How is she the opposite of the Express? She literally does future divination as a hobby. And she pretty much treats the future as something that one day will be the past and she wants to record it>>4503230We don't even know her real name, so that fits
>>4503245Seeing the future and believing fate is destined feels like the opposite of what the Express is about.
>>4503253To continue Black Swan feels too much like a plot device for me. She's yet to show any chemistry with anyone on the Express but her character is so vague they can place her in any situation they want. She reminds me of Herta a bit. When a character has no real goal and little personality you can just use them in whatever bullshit story you want.
>>4503255She's on the Express in hopes of bumping into Acheron in more ways than one on their trailblaze journeys.
>>4503316I doubt they'll ever have them have s meaningful interaction. They barely talked in Penacony
>>4503253AE's main goal is not defying fate though, they literally have no mission besides exploring. And Black Swan also benefits from tagging along for a while, since so far she's only in it to collect interesting memories. And I wonder if there was any specific reason for Black Swan being the one who received Cyrene's call. Apparently she has a more pure "soul" or intentions, and thus is more similar to Cyrene, but I'm not fully convinced.>>4503255The AE are mostly boring and underdeveloped, so it's not just Black Swan's fault. And that won't change any time soon since hoyo has shown that they'd rather give Dang Hen a 10th SP than focusing on the other characters that have been with us since the start of the game. They really should have given Black Swan a bigger goal though.
>>4503501HSR only brings characters around for gacha. If they aren't getting a banner then who cares to them. I wish HSR would actually develop the characters they have separate to their banners. I starts to get really obvious when a characters banner is up the moment the story starts to focus on them and the notice how quickly they are dropped once it stops being about them. Genshin and ZZZ are bad at this but HSR is the worst. Also is it just me or does anyone else think Penacony being written the way it was makes it so limited to the point where you question why do we keep going back there?
>>4503519This time Penacony will be a retcon and likely full of flashbacks. Honestly I kinda prefer this than another filler event like the Banana shit or the collab. Imo Penacony could be very useful for crossovers and fun events, but hoyo doesn't know how to do that. But yeah, for serious plot, it's pretty limited. The nail in the coffin was using Jade for that nothingburger that was 2.3. I can't believe there was a whole build up about Fagurine risking his life to smuggle Jade's stone and the IPC invading...just for it to end in shareholds.
>>4503526I think the issue is that none of the people shown in Penacony besides Robin and Sunday are from Penacony. Why is FF still there? Why is Sparkle still there? Why is Acheron coming back? I genuinely feel like Hoyo convinced themselves into believing all these characters are actually from this planet.
>>4503541Good point. It kinda feels like these characters are homeless hobos, so they just stick to Penacony for some reason. And Penacony events involving them would mostly need some bullshit excuse for them to come back, otherwise they would need to use other random characters.
>>4499820I played hi3 for a bit up until Sakura was introduced then dropped it and picked it up again in 2022. Since then I've played Genshin, HSR, ZZZ, R1999, Arknights, PTN, and HI3 remains the only anime mobile game where the story and characters did anything for me on a emotional level. Kiana/Mei and Fu Hua's storylines in particular were fantastic. Nothing will top this for me: https://youtu.be/v1sd5CzR504Yes the gameplay is ass and the story devolves into nonsensical sci-fi BS later on, but the middle section of the story still has the best characters out of any gacha bar none
>>4503679Sparkle so cucked that she doesn't even show up here
>>4503731Who's to say Sparkle isn't pretending to be one of them. Watch she end up having a bigger role than BS
>>4503899Belle really loves fish girls
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>>4504100all animal girls love Belle because of her gamer musk
Can this thread include Wuwa?Chisa arc was romantic and Rover is skilled yuri protagonist
>>4504126maybe but there's already a general yuri gacha thread>>4404001
>>4504118Belle must have pheromones that attract all these gay animal girls
Was Chisa gayer than Iuno? Rinascita as a whole was pretty gay with Carlotta, Cantarella, Cartetheyia, Lupa, and Iuno all wanting Frover bad.
>>4504175Forgot to mention that I am responding to this post >>4504126
What is everyone's thoughts that a Herta expy or The Herta herself is the 8th Hexenzirkel member? Her design would fit the witch vibe of the group
https://youtu.be/7_hmkhWGbzE
>>4505129No one cares for more shipteasing involving BS that won't go anywhere. Hoyo feels like it's in such a meh state right now with all it's games.
>>4505129gay
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>>4505129Wow that's a lot of innuendo
sandbina is pretty popular
For me though, it's still Arlefuri
>>4505149>in such a meh state right now with all it's games*blocks your path*
>>4505232I'm not that into arlefuri, but damn does it gets some nice art
Wake up, hoyo posted yuri againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_hmkhWGbzE
>>4505280Will this be forgotten as quickly as black swan/acheron?
>>4505289Acheswan still get fanart to this day and everyone still remembers that video
meh I really can't care about it, if it was a new character maybe I could just turn my brain off but Constance had her design reveal since 2x, they could totally done some foreshadowing with her and BS waaaaay earlier but no, let's wait until almost 4x to show they totally know each other... just...
It might be my bias speaking, but I don't think the subtext between Constance and BS is as overt as it was with Acheron.
>>4505325It's feels like a poor remake trying to up the original
>>4505280No one cares. Its just the same crap as before>>4505289Pretty much
>>4505325Its trying too hard. Like its using the exact same thing they did with Acheron and look how little that mattered. Hell even Black Swan's trailer had her all over Stelle. Its really hard to care
I just hope that this time there's actually meaningful interaction in the actual game story.
>>4505326There's also no reason for it. There was no sexual tension in their conversation (at least from what I remember). Why not introduce her first, tease them together, then make her a character so this trailer has more punch. Now we have a trailer that feels confusing since it feels random and has nothing to do with the Firefly story. Hoyo making their Star Rail trailers/demos so story related nowadays just makes them feel random and to me far less interesting than they used to be.
So Genshin gives us throwaway Zibai instead of super gay Madam Ping. Way does gay granny keep getting passed over? Are they scared she'll keep raising future lesbians like Yaoyao and Xingling?
I still don't know what the fuck Dhalia has to do with Firefly, It would be way better if this patch was related to Acheron and not Firefly, all connections, all the build up and all the consequences should point to Acheron yet she is nowhere to be seen but we are supposed to have a Firefly focused story with characters that have nothing to do with her?
>>4505338>ZibaiAnd she’s straight to boot…It’s getting annoying between her, Alice, and Nicole(?)
>>4505342Even crazier is that Madam Ping is the most wanted Liyue character left. Plus she's already setup to be a polearm thanks to her students using a spear
>>4505330This will spawn a fuck ton of fanarts, just like acheswan on its day, not everyone are bitter hags like yours.>>4505342Straight? How, why?
>>4505297Still better than literally everything we got in Amphoreus. Bonus points for no TBslop at all in this trailer
>>4505339Acheron would even have ties to Dahlia, this was THE opportunity to expand on 2 or 3 characters we barely know at once and maybe have an interesting plot, but they chose the most bland option. I had nothing against FF at first, but she keeps stealing all the screentime and leaving breadcrumbs for everyone else. And she's boring as fuck, even her JP voice is mid and annoying.I hope hoyo won't abandon Acheron even more just because she's japanese and China is throwing a tantrum because of the Taiwan bullshit.
>>4505352Honestly that's my issue with Black Swan as well. The game gives us no reason to care for her or Dahlia and instead of easing us into liking them they push them down our throats. BS would be so much more likable if she had an actual personality. Unfortunately Star Rail characters stopped having personality since Belobog. Funnily enough the last character with actual personality was Rappa, aka everyone's least favorite character. Firefly is nowhere near as bad a Cyrene. She stole Evernight's chance to be written as a fully fleshed out character. The devs love for her kept anyone from being given any real development. She even took Castorice's place as Stelle's Amphoreus love interest
>>4505347Disregarding the bullshit with Cyrene, Amphoreus yuri was the best this game's ever been.
>>4505366Not really
>>4505347Completely dumb take. Both are shit
>>4505358Castorice is ugly and doesn't deserve shit and more people give a shit about firefly and even irrelevant girls like topaz more than march 7th and her past that they will never truly develop
>>4505366Hoyo used the age gap to try to discredit Aglaea x Cipher and Cerylens got fuckall screentime. Hysilens' trailer was also derailed by the retarded raccoon. And the whole plot was just shilling a male, and even worse because it was a kevin expy.>>4505358I hate Cyrene, but Evernight was hijacked by Fag Heng, not her
>>4505387>Hoyo used the age gap to try to discredit Aglaea x CipherNo, the idiot western Twits did that. Hoyo kept pushing the pairing at every opportunity.>Cerylens got fuckall screentimeThat's fair. What they got was good, but more would have been very welcome. Would have liked more of them in 3.6, even if Evermarch was pretty nice too.>Hysilens' trailer was also derailed by the retarded raccoon.Yeah, that was just... weird.
>>4505394The pairing is ass. I hate ships that neither character have personality besides being in a ship
Dahlia's voicelines about Acheron. By all accounts, this doesn't make any sense, but I'll take it
>>4505432Can't believe I will roll for a superbrick again... sigh... I'll take this bait.
>>4505432Why do those lines seem backwards? Well, suppose it wouldn't be the first time a trailer had little bearing on the character...
>>4505432So, first Arlecchino/Columbina/Sandrone, now Acheron/BS/Constance? Seems someone at Hoyo likes threesomes lately.
>>4505394This ship reminds me of Amber x Eula. Two characters that are shit and written like ass but people delude themselves that they are good because yuri.
>>4505443Pathetic.This is why Hoyo doesn't care or try
>>4505508Do they? I personally don't see it. How about we wait for the yapfest story before saying that
>>4505415>>4505572Get at least marginally better taste.Or just kys
>>4505577How about you go fuck yourself loser
>>4505577Seriously what kind of pathetic little bitch tells someone to kill themselves because they said your ship is shit. Why don't you go fuck your inbred mother dick
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My god does the 3.8 story suck. Just so much yapping.
>>4505591Does the Black Swan/Constance ship teasing actually go anywhere?
>>4505594I skipped through the whole story. This is the first story that takes less than 2 hours when skipping. I haven't played a full HSR story since the feature since it was introduced. So in short don't know and don't care
>>4505595>The story suck>I skipped the whole storyNever change /u/.
Whoever thought that it was a bright idea to come back to Penacony (aka the worst planet ever) after a year just to retelling the same story from different POVs should be fired. How the fuck did Hoyo think it was smart to redo 2.0-2.8 in 3.8? Honestly I'd rather have gotten a Amphoreus epilogue but knowing them that will happen in 4.7. Even worse with the delays this story and patch will last longer than usual patches. What a limp way to end the 3.x patches.
>>4505579>No UNot that it was worth any better, but still, low effort.>>4505580Better.
>>4505596>askes someone else about the story instead of just playing it themselves Never change /u/
>>4505596Really questioning why I bother with /u/ anymore, when all it is, is:>This game has no /u/ in it at all!>Did you play any of the story or side quests?>NO!>>4505597>Even worse with the delays this story and patch will last longer than usual patches.That's probably why it's a rehash of an older story, padding.
>>4505600Now you're just being lazy.
>>4505601>I don't like what people say but keep coming back to complain and say that I don't like itNever change /u/
>>4505602I'm lazy? You're the one using kys like some redditor over ships. You have no high ground to stand on. If anything you're even more pathetic because you got mad over a ship with fictional characters. Get a life kid.
>>4505601I never get these comments. No one has a gun to your head telling you that you have to keep coming back. I stopped playing FGO so I stopped going to the FGO thread. Its pretty easy honestly
>>4504126There was WuWa yuri in past threads so I'm sure no one minds
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>>4505613Frover's tiny mafia wife is too cute
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>>4505606And you keep coming to the Honkai thread despite not playing Honkai because...?
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>>4505617What Honkai thread am I coming back to? Can you not read what thread you are on? Does it say Honkai or Hoyoverse? Is it too much to expect people to read nowadays? Or did you not know Genshin and ZZZ arent Honkai games?
>>4505596In fairness its just a retelling of a story we all already know sucks. If Amazon retold War of the Worlds from Ice Cube's son's POV you'd know movie is bad without even seeing it yet.
>>4505594Constance is probably the gayest hoyo char to date, but her interactions with black swan in particular aren't anything noteworthy this patch. They did put part of her trailer as an animation in the story, though.
>>4505632She isn't the gayest.
Between Constance/Black Swan, Constance/Firefly, Constance/Acheron, Siobhan/Robin this patch was a fucking masterpiece in yuri
Is there anything of substance (story and yuri-wise) in 3.5-3.7 , or should I just skip around?
>>4505649Yes. Gotta hand it to them, it was probably the gayest patch so far. They really delivered the Black Swan and Constance's exes energy, complete with talks about "rekindling their past". Constance only did the yanderegasm face for Swan too. There were even some Robin x Firefly interactions, so now it's not just a crackship.The retarded plot retcons aside, it was my favorite update in a long time.
>>4505649People are so easily pleased here>>4505662Skip around
>>4505710No one said 3.8 was a flawless masterpiece, Debbie Downer. Just that compared to all the shitfest that HSR has been for months, it's yuriful
>>4505710What fo you mean? Two girls talked so clearly it means they are gay. That's all /u/ needs nowadays to ship characters. Who cares about personality. Who cares about plot. Who cares about chemistry. All that matters to ship is two girls talked. I won't say you can't ship whoever you want but this threads shipping always feels so shallow.
>my ship is better than your
>>4505711I'm not a "Debbie Downer". I'm just stating that some yuri subtext shouldn't be enough to save more poorly written story. They changed nothing in the writing, the pacing, the storytelling, the issues with why things happen, and the overall problem with HSR having no story direction. Even worse there's nothing at the end that gets you hyped for 4.0, since it focuses on characters that haven't served a purpose in over a year. The story was nothing more than trying to force Dahlia into the story to justify her banner existing. Sorry but if we can all crap on Rappa for doing this we should be allowed to do the same with Dahilia. On top of that 60% of the story was just rehashing shit we already knew. It was boring and extremely lazy. That also turned a character that looked like this evil badass to this generic yandere helper that she showed no signs of having because they had to throw some random personality onto her because that's all HSR does, because these aren't characters but rather products.
>>4505716The fact that they added in a character to like a character we already barely know is another issue. Outside of the yuri why am I supposed to care for Dahila? Or Black Swan? The story never does anything to make me like them. Or Robin. Or Sunday. Or Aventurine. Or Acheron. The story does a good job with Firefly. This is the AL'S story. One of the biggest things they should do with these characters is at least try to endure these characters to players to make us want to see them again, or build a relationship with the AE so we do see them again. Instead the writers are so lazy and uncreative that the only reason we even meet characters nowadays is because. Compare any ship since Penacony to Bronya x Seele and it just feels like characters and their interactions feel like its just tacked onto them just because they need to give them some random personality to justify the banner. Before anyone says anything I'm not saying not to ship. My complaints seem from the writing not the shipping. Ship whoever you want.
>>4505710>People are so easily pleased hereI'll take them over the autists constantly bitching about how much everything sucks.
>>4505721Says the guy complaining themselves
>>4505717>The story does a good job with Firefly.My sides. Before this patch, it did a terrible job, it was hamfisted as hell, especially when it was released and we didn't even know FF already knew us, which might have been a retcon. Her 3 "deaths" were the most retarded and anticlimactic part of whole Penacony and that's saying a lot. That audition scene was criminally boring and useless. She hijacked a good chunk of the plot, but didn't use a single minute of it well. Instead of exploring her cooler backstory related to the Swarm, it was just a bunch of cute bullshit, fluff and dates. That also meant the other characters had very little screentime to be developed. 2.3 was the nail in the coffin. And somehow hoyo decided all of this was still not enough and gave her the spotlight AGAIN in 3.8...why?And again, no one said the story was super awesome and a masterpiece. This is /u/, so of course people focus more on the shipping side. Aside from setting a precedent for retcons, I don't think it was any worse than Amphoreus. If anything, at least this one had the decency to only last 6 hours, not 50+, and it wasn't just a series of forced companion quests badly stringed together. The angle they used here ("actually you lost your memories and the whole story was different") was retarded and doomed to fail. They could have done some soft retcons (Dahlia knowing Swan the whole time) while expanding on plotlines that went nowhere in 2.X, but they went full retard and changed the whole plot. I do think it had potential to be fine if they had controlled themselves, unlike Amhporeus, that is almost impossible to fix.
>>4505728I know people are focused on the shipping. I addressed that even the shipping is written like ass. Black Swan and Dahlia are shipped together solely because. We have no real reason to care about them or the ship. Let's not act like if Dahlia was a dude you wouldn't have the same complaints
The writing will not get better, just give up on this point, better to just ship whatever you want and ignore everything else.
>>4505717>why am I supposed to care for Dahila?Idk, why were we supposed to care about the CHs in 3.0? Or even FF in 2.0? All characters need to have their first aparitions. The other big problem with this update was the placement: it makes no sense adding it right after Amphoreus (despite their sorry excuse of trying to justify it with "we had to erase these memories otherwise you would attract Destruction and die in Amphoreus??" ) It would have felt less glaring if it happened before 4.X, but then again, they should have just made the whole story longer so they didn't need to retcon it later. Constance had been teased in one of the trailers and while talking to Swan in 2.1, so at least she has more build up than Rappa and even Feixiao. If she had been used more like a villain, it would avoid the feeling of "why do I have to care about her?">Or Black Swan?Not everyone can have dozens of hours of screentime like FF, and the writers keep fucking BS over at every turn. Barely any role in Penacony, even less in Amphoreus even though she's the one who brought us there. At least 3.8 did tease some of her past, where she apparently has dabbled in Cremator activities and might have been involved in criminal activities alongside Constance (who called her "cellmate"), if anything, the fact she knows Constance is alive while the Garden seems to think she is dead after several assassination attempts could get her in trouble if it's found out.. Black Swan is also relevant now due to the GoR overarching plot, and even has a tie to Evernight and Cyrene to a smaller degree. I doubt she will be part of the AE forever, so she doesn't need a very deep connection to any Trailblazer
>>4505728Personally my biggest complaint is that the story didn't need to happen. We gained nothing in Penacony so losing the memories of it doesn't change anything. I will disagree with you about Amphoreus. While not great it was way more ambitious and felt like they cared. If you already didn't like the Penacony characters this story does nothing to try and make you like them. It lacked the final patch punch and didn't even feel like a better sendoff from Penacony than the previous one we had. I will say it being under 3+ hours long and not having puzzles was great, but since this patch will last until February it does feel like it should've been a bit longer. So yeah overall while I disliked Amphoreus I liked it more than 3.8
>>4505730>Let's not act like if Dahlia was a dude you wouldn't have the same complaintsWtf is even this argument? If FF were a dude you would also have complaints. Your whole issue of "why should I care about [character]" makes no sense, since it applies to 99% of the cast and you are biased and only use it on characters you dislike. If for a character to be interesting for you required everyone being treated like Phagnon and FF, the writing would become irredemable shit and a self-insert dating sim in disguise.
>>4505737The story does better to have us care for the CHs plight. It wasn't great but at least characters like Cyrene, Castorice, and Phainon had development. Dahlia does not. She is just thrown in and by the end of things I don't feel like I know or care for her more.My issue with Black Swan is she has no ties to the Express beyond forced plot relevance. She doesn't hangout with them. She doesn't have general discussions with them. You mentioned the overarching plot but lets be honest no one cares about the overarching plot on the Express. Stelle doesn't care. March doesn't care. Dan Heng doesn't care. I'm personally tired of the side characters like BS and Herta referencing this bigger plot in HSR when none of the main characters, the AE crew, care at all. Its like they have to care because BS cares. Having passive leads makes for a poorly written story. And honestly that's my overall complaint about 3.8. Its felt like BS and Dahila randomly hijack the story. For us to randomly go back to Penacony. For the devs to push a random story that the Express crew themselves no longer cared about.
>>4505741What a dumb rebuttal.
>>4505741Actually let me fully explain my point. If a character randomly appeared and was given no real development and feels like a random character was a guy you'd mention how little development and random he felt. But since its a woman and yuri you turn a blind guy to the writing.
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>>4505756I'll never forget how in a video with both Rovers Cantarella was only shown feeding and swooning for female Rover. Even Kuro knows she's gay af
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>>4505740I do agree it didn't have to happen in terms of plot, just like Wardance and other stuff. But it COULD have been useful to develop characters that got fucked over in Penacony, which is everyone besides FF, Aventurine and Sunday. But for that to happen, they shouldn't have retconned most of the story or focused on FF. It was entirely possible to add a sideplot with Constance, Black Swan and Acheron that conveniently happened away from the TB, so it made sense we have no memories of it, or Constance even erased it because she usually does that in general. Robin diying and Sparkle's antics mostly happened offscreen already, so we could just see it actually happening this time. Even the thing with Jade's stone and Aventurine's death made sense, and could have been further expanded to focus more on Jade. These could have all worked perfectly without the Propagation and FF dying parts.The only thing left would be a reason for Constance to attack the TB or try to hack into Penacony's memories, which they could have tried to subtly link to the main plot if needed, since Constance is a candidate for Lord Ravager>>4505746But you would do the same for Firefly, even hate her for taking too much screentime
>>4505769It was never possible to do that because Penacony never had a plot that would allow that to work. The reason FF got so much development is because without her there's nothing for the Express (mainly Stelle) to be invested in. Let's say the 3 of them do something away from the TB. Why are they doing it? For what purpose. Penacony fails as a story because it fails to have a reason to exist beyond Firefly. Robin doesn't add anything, neither does Sparkle, Acheron, or Jade. For example if we saw Raiden put each NPCs vision into her statue that would add to Inazuma's story, but in the overall story it does little for the core characters. For your examples to work Penacony would've needed a plot that actually mattered to the characters in Penacony. Acheron, Black Swan, and Constance aren't from Penacony so it's hard to buy into them caring so much about it, hence why the story is so reliant on Firefly. She's the sole reason many care about this boring planet. We can be mad at her taking up so much screen time but without her what even was Penacony for the Express Crew? Going to visit some nobody's grave?
>>4505769>>4505774To further this you mentioned that Constance is a candidate. The issue is does any of that matter to the AE? It would just be something for lorefags to gush over. This is the problem when he have passive MCs. When you try to do stuff with side characters you don't care because the MCs don't care. Nothing outside of Firefly mattered to Stelle so I found myself not caring. If your lead and the other main characters don't care it's hard for me to care. The fact that those lost memories changes nothing about Stelle overall just adds to all this feeling even more meaningless. I know we shouldn't be hyped for Star Rail anymore but I feel even more disappointed than I thought I'd be. I thought I'd come out of this loving Penacony a bit more and love Dahlia but I came out of this not really caring and realizing how poorly Star Rail has gotten in making the Express feel like friends of the planets people. I felt like the AE were friends with Fu Xuan, Bronya, Seele, Yukong, and Hook. Penacony characters all feel like crossover characters that are doing their own thing and just happen to be on the same planet. Artoria was better integrated as a friend of the Express than Acheron was.
>>4505774>aren't from Penacony Neither is Firefly>but without her what even was Penacony for the Express CrewWhen Penacony released we didn't even know FF had a past with the TB, it wasn't mentioned at all and it might have been a retcon from the later updates. Back then the game really did expect you to care about this girl you met 5 minutes ago and tear up when she fake-died 3 times. Their past is also compeltely "tell, don't show". We have never seen any glimpse of it, we only know it's a thing because the text said so.>Going to visit some nobody's grave?Unfortunately, yes, Razalina and Mikhail have ties to the AE. Besides that, the AE have the hobby of acting like the space police and solving problems for no reason, just because they are the good guys. And it makes more sense than the next planet. The only reason we went to Amphoreus was because Black Swan asked us, we could have acquired fuel from any other destination, even if not infinite. We had zero ties to anyone from that place, no one had because it was a fucking isolated computer simulation and Lygus himself only has ties to Herta.>Why are they doing it?Because the plot doesn't revolve around Firefly, Sunday is more relevant than her even if I hate him. The main plot is him going dictator, some philosophical bullshit and a few other factions reacting to it. Even the TB has a dialogue option asking Sparkle in 2.3 why there's no scene of Acheron and Black Swan escaping from the Dreammaster, this is one of the things they could have expanded on. Developing Acheron is also important for the future Nihility arc, which is one of the 4 Finalities. It would also help to flesh Black Swan. Dahlia is really yhe only unecessary part, but she can be used as an accessory to explore Black Swan's past, or a villain. Not to mention the devs would look less retarded after releasing a whole Everflaming Mascion video and doing literally nothing with any of the characters in there1/2
>>45057832/2Are you that one self-insert anon who thinks everything must revolve around the TB/Traveler, and if they aren't there, then you can't even say something happened at all? If a tree falls in the forest, but the TB is not there, does it make a sound?
>>4505782>you don't care because the MCs don't care.You are literally the only person on the planet with this issue. Normal people are able to care about characters and plot that don't revolve around the bland cardboard MC, we care about a story if it's interesting and if the characters are fun. Being a self-inserter is a mental illness
>>4505786No I'm not. What a stupid take
>>4505786To further how this is a dumb take can you name 1 movie, show, or book where the MC has no stakes in the plot or villain and its still good? I swear retards just say things and believe they make sense. Even funnier is the fact that everyone states that Penacony was underdeveloped and Stelle is used as a vehicle to try and develop these characters
>>4505783Sunday is relevant to Penacony, which isnt relevant to the Express. You're clearly avoiding my point or just not getting it.
>>4505784Ok anon its official you're just a retard that doesn't understand how to write a story. That's fine I guess. I'm gonna leave it here
>>4505786Just to throw my two cents in the MC is the main character. If the story didn't have Stelle and Firefly was the MC she'd be the main character and a lot of the Penacony issues you tried to fix would still exist. Wtf would Acheron doing fuck all matter to Firefly? Or flip it and make Sunday the MC and you'll ask yourself why am I supposed to care about Firefly dying? I think the point anon is making is how each characters story doesn't really connect with the next and how filler the Penacony characters feel compared to the characters of other arcs. I mean look at the writing of Mydei and how they portray him as this epic and great warrior of Amphoreus compared to Sparkle or Robin
>>4505793Movies and games are not the same thing, what's good in 1 doesn't mean it works for the other. Many movie franchises switch protagonists at some point because no one likes following the same fucker for several hours and years, it gets boring and limits the story. For games, Path to Nowhere has a lot of POV switches and scenes that don't involve the MC and it's good. Rain Burst and Flora Unfurl are the fans' favorite events and they don't show the MC at all. They are several hours long each. A good chunk of the main story happens while the MC is comatose too, and no one ever had any issues with it.>>4505794Amphoreus is not relevant to the Express and neither will be Edo Star. You are missing the whole point of them Trailblazing because it doesn't pander to your self-inserting mental illness. And no one said the story needs to revolve around the side characters, just that 3.8 could focus on them since it's not even the main story, or at least it should not have been. All of these characters (except Dahlia) have interacted with the TB, but you just say none of them matter because you don't like them and they should never have any screentime away from the TB, since they only exist to suck the TB's strap. It's literally the same mentality that Carloscucks have. Demanding everything to happen around the MC fucks the whole story and often just turns the MC into a cameraman. You can't even remove them because because some whiny baby will complain that the mighty self-insert is not there to witness the scene, so it doesn't matter.
>>4505813Me again. Another issue is that the TB is extremely shallow and badly written, which is intentional since they only exist for self-inserters. The SIfag would die if she played HI3, since there are dozens of hours of scenes focusing on characters other than Kiana, sometimes it's not even about the main trio.
>>4505800Is Mydei supposed to be an example of good writting? If you removed him from the story, there would be zero changes, he only exists to sell another banner. He barely even had any relevance to Amphoreus, much less to the AE or even the overarching plot. Most of Amphoreus didn't, since "lol it was all a simulation!". And even then, everything we saw was ONE cycle our of 33 million, so it was even more useless>Wtf would Acheron doing fuck all matter to Firefly?They would have interacted (even more than they do in canon) and their actions would both contribute to the main plot of the planet, which affects their goals.
>>4505813What a dumb rebuttal. You seem to believe the MC means 1 person at all times. You yourself mention protagonists switch. Also I like how you don't mention of Path of Nowhere has these POV switches where the MC isn't involved has anything to do with the overall plot. Here's a good example Matilda is the MC in some R1999 stories where Vertin doesn't appear but a lot of the events that happen still relate to her mission. Again you seem to miss what I mean by MC. Also you're completely wrong about Amphoreus. March becomes Evernight. Stelle gains a new power. Dan Heng gains a new form. Everyone's story relates to the same plot. You clearly have 0 idea what MC means and throw around "self insert" and "mental illness" to hide your own stupidity
>>4505814Once again idiot I said MC. Do not always state that MC has to be Stelle. Fucking read moron
>>4505817>their actions would both contribute to the main plot of the planet, which affects their goals.What does this even mean? You're trying way too hard to convince people your stupid take works
>>4505817To say Mydei had barely any relevance to Amphoreus while trying to claim Acheron, Firefly, and Black Swan meant something to Penacony, a planet they aren't from, is hilarious anon. Also I never said he was well written. I said he was better written into the plot, since he had stacked in the planet itself and actually had time dedicated to him. I'm no fan of his just that he was written better
>>4505818>>4505819So why was this whole discussion started because SIfag was mad that some people wanted scenes that wouldn't involve Stelle? Not even the whole update, just some scenes?>>4505820You would understand if self-inserting didn't destroy your brain, Carlosfag.>>4505822Go on, tell me the relevance of 1 out of 12 virtual cuck who died 33 million times and disappeared after his sobstory was revealed. Hyacine was at least relevant because Aquila sealed the Sky and kept everyone isolated, Cipher helped to extent the time, Aglaea protected Okhema from FR, Anaxa attacked Lygus, etc. But what did discount Gilgamesh even do, besides being yaoibait? He was irrelevant even in the sim world.
>>4505818What would be the difference between RB and FU (both which are required to understand the main quest of PTN and are now added permanently to the game), and a small subplot involving Constance, Acheron and Black Swan as they fight the Dreammaster or do other plot-related things that will affect the AE because they are in the fucking planet? Why is one ok, but the other caused a dozen-message long drama because the Carlos self-insert decided that nothing that happens away from the TB matters, even if it affects Penacony's main plot and by extension the TB?>>4505818These things all only happened after they went to Amphoreus. They didn't know any of this would happen, they had zero reason to go to Amphoreus besides Black Swan's request and fuel. None of these things are tried to Amphoreus, Stelle unlocks a new Path in every other planet, Dan Heng's power up seems to be gone and it was hamfisted + unecessary, Evernight is not tied to Amphoreus and was already around. By that logic, Penacony is relevant because Stelle unlocked the Harmony Path and now we know she learned about Terminus. Literally every single one of your complains are identical to what happens in other parts of the story, but you don't seem to find anything wrong with them
On a good note, 3.8 retconned the Acheron + TB hand grab scene, and replaced it for Firefly. The evil is defeated. If we have more retcons in the future, may they also make things gayer
>>4505835>CarlosfagAre you retarded anon?
>>4505841Again your delusional mind still doesn't get how writing works. Doing something on the planet doesn't mean its relevant to the plot. By your logic if a cop stops a random criminal its relevant to the overall plot of a Batman movie. Also you keep mentioning Carlos like I know who the fuck that is. You seriously need help.Also who cares if it happened because they went to Amphoreus. The point is that it happened and it ties into the main characters, which nothing in Penacony does.Also that's bullshit. 1) In Belobog we learn Stelle has a Stellaron, the Express are there for said Stellaron, we learn more about the issues a Stellaron can cause. 2) In the Luofu we battle someone close to Nanook and we learn more about Dan Heng. 3) In Amphoreus we learn about March's past, we learn more about Stelle, and we learn she waa once a SH. We get nothing in Penacony. To throw your criticism at me back at you why is it fair to say other characters are just throwaway characters but argue BS, Acheron, and Dahlia mean so much to the plot? Who's the bias one here?
>>4505841Seriously I'm getting so tired with how fucking retarded and autistic you are
Everyone here is just idiots. You guys all take things too seriously. I'm just gonna post yuri
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>>4505880>in penacony you learn nothingUh.. the entire past with Stellarion Hunters thing? It's arguably the most important part of (your)self.
>>4505717>Compare any ship since Penacony to Bronya x SeeleWhy do Bronya, Seele and Belobog matter to the AE and TB? We only went there because the road was blocked, we had zero ties to anything in there before the expedition
>>4505966>>4506007Oh my god shut up already. You're not proving any point. You're just rambling now. And again you have no clue how story writing works.
>>4505758Changli's always on the verge of orgasm with Rover, Camellya's just crazy for Rover, and Shorekeeper's the patient wife for Rover. Then there's Yangyang who's on love at first sight.
>>4506034Poor Yangyang. The most forgotten of Rover's lovers. Hopefully she gets some love again soon.
>Had an update with a storyline where Stelle literally wills history to change because she loves Firefly so much and wants her to be happy>Somehow everyone is just bitching about something instead of enjoying the peak yuri
>>4506057Shut up
>>4506034Changli is best girl
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>>4506034Don't forget THE wife of the game
>>4506071Somehow Kuro actually features the FMC with girls more than hoyo does nowadays. Kinda funny
>>4506078The fact that these are official makes me smile
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>>4506078Not that suprising Kuro likes doing both.Hell in punshing raven there was canon on screen kiss with the mc and then some time after that only then you got to chose your gender lol
>>4506117They use Frover a lot because even Kuro knows she's gorgeous
>>4506057People tried saying positive things about the yuri, but Debbie Downer got triggered
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>>4506143>doesn't like something means being triggered Only idiots think like this
Anyone here roll for the vampire?
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There's already a yuri gacha game general, why the fuck are you all here?
>>4506167I thought we could just post any yuri since I saw all the wuwa yuri here
I'll also post some Hoyo yuri as well to make up for things.
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>>4505649>Constance/FireflyI wasn't expecting this but now I ship it.>>4505688>There were even some Robin x Firefly interactions, so now it's not just a crackship.Oh my god did they actually talk to each other? Robifly lives!
>>4506078Silver Palace has the potential to be the best gacha game for yuri ever. They don't even bother showing off the male MC. They are on track to potentially fully remove him from the game if we're lucky enough
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>>4506206Why did they make Vertin 3D?
>>4506332Because Vertin is too cool to be confined to just 2D
>>4506481You're genuinely too retarded to understand english.
>>4506482I misread it, you chimp
Retard fanartists have been only drawing NTR and jealousy when Acheswalia is the closest thing to threesome
>>4506489No one cares anon
>>4506334Vertin had way too much charisma and aura for her own good
>>4506482Anon take your medicine your autism is showing
>>4506524Still mad that people care about ships other than TBslop?
>>4506540That's not even me retard
>>4506253Protea is best girl. Gaooo
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>>4506625I wish Stelle had more height gap ships. Why make her a giant and not give her a cute short gf
>>4506646A major element to Belle ships is the height gap to me.
>>4506625People want the hoyo fandom sloppy seconds, let them have this.
>>4506681????
>>4506688It's some retard who hates hoyo, but keeps posting here for some reason.
>>4506716Huh???? I haven't seen 1 person saying they hate Hoyo. Anon stop swinging at ghosts that aren't there
>>4506716Anon shut up and post yuri.
>>4506647Half the time in her ships Belle is portrayed as the alpha dyke even while being shorter which I kinda love.
>>4506882I know most fanart tries to say otherwise but Zhu would definitely be the bottom with Belle. I also feel like Jane would be a power bottom
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Someone did a romance tier list with Belle and the ladies and I have to ask did I miss something? Why is Caesar so high up? Should I actually be paying attention to her? Also surprised Trigger is so high considering the lack of fanart and general shipping between her and Belle. I haven't gotten too far into the game so maybe I haven't seen it yet with her.
>>4506945Ok after watching some videos of Trigger holy hell is she down bad for Belle.
I miss zhubelle
The criminal/cop dynamic would have been so perfect as a main romance
Please tell me she only says this to Belle
>>4506945Surprised they didn't make Astra at least A Tier.I've been holding off on the main story but considering there's a whole event dedicated to taking Shunguang out on dates I'm guessing she's probably going to be up there in the shipping rankings?
>>4506958I'd be interesting to see the rankings at the end of every year to see which characters moves up on the ranking. I'm still holding out that we'll get a story with her and Belle one day
Wish I had creativity to write a short visual novel about this
>>4506956No, Burnice too
>>4507422I can't tell if you're trying to be cute or missed my point.
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>>4505346>This will spawn a fuck ton of fanartsThis didn't age so well
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>>4505346Shut up faggot
Topaz x Stelle artist said they might make a full doujin of them one day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_54Snm67UGMWell, Ye Shunguang's first trailer came out, and it's not as bad as it could have been (cough Astra cough). Rather than show either Phaethon sibling directly, the silhouette representing Belle/Wise doesn't really look like either of them and changes between shots, like having Wise's build but clearly Belle's hair and vice versa. Even the picture of the Proxy she looks at at the end doesn't quite look like either sibling. It not only doesn't invalidate either sibling being the protagonist, it also plays into her whole dementia memory loss schtick. A little contrived but also kind of clever.
>>4508447This animation makes her look like a taller HuoHuo
>>4508447It looks like wise to me
>>4508750Yeah me too. The body and hair looked like Wise to me too
>>4508770Well the plot is the same for either sibling (well most of the time) so anons probably shouldnt get too hung up about it
>>4508750DefinitelyIt's vague at a glance but length, direction, basically everything lean more W***
>>4506956lolnoShe says it to Wise too (replaces "beautiful" with "handsome"). Don't overestimate hoyoslop.
>>4509083i mean gacha games have always been just hentai vns without the porn which is why almost every one of them has a male only self insert heck even honkai impact 3rd had the obnoxious af captain shit, thankfully nowadays we get some games that include a femc option (not from Korea though)
>>4508447This is pure cope, that is clearly Wise both in height and build.>>4496943So, third time’s a pattern, was that it?
>>4509524Yeah yeah. I can admit I was being dumb. W*se is the self-insert harem marketing man used to shill waifubait agents at Belle players' expense and pretending otherwise at this point would be denying reality. Even when the new trailer shows both clearly and not just a silhouette (that's still more Wise than Belle, despite coping otherwise), Belle takes a backseat. Joke's on me for hoping it would be different despite all the evidence to the contrary.
>>4509590Backseat is an understatement, she sits there taking pictures of them lmao
>>4509590>>4509633It's so weird, people say ZZZ is doing poorly because it's pandering to yuri fans when lately trailers have been pushing Wise as the canon protag
>>4509634Maybe that’s exactly their attempt to disavow any perceived yuri appeal in hopes that the haremfags will come back.Joke’s on them, though, because that never works. Self-inserters don’t touch anything they see as even slightly tainted. In alienating one audience to court another, they’re losing both.I certainly haven’t played ZZZ in a long time, and haven’t spent any money on it for longer still.
>>4509634My issue with ZZZ is that the game feels so limited compared to Genshin and Star Rail. >>4509637The funny thing is with Hoyo's other big games some of the most popular characters do pander to yuri. All of Castorice's trailers have Stelle. Columbina is super gay with Sandrone and she's probably gonna make them so much money.
>>4509637I'm probably one of the <5 folks here still playing ZZZ. I still find it fun. I just stick with the in-game material and ignore everything else outside of it (to the best of my ability) and occasionally, I'll check in these threads for my meta fix. Still plenty gay for me, but the Miyabi thing still annoys me to this day.I will say though, if they fuck up playable Sunbringer (copium) with Wise pandering that'll probably be my last straw.
>>4507443Bitch, I'm adorable
>>4509671My main issue with this ship is how forgettable they both are outside of the ship
>>4509681You could say that about most of the cast, HI3 recurring cast this is not
>>4509685Not really. Zhu Yuan, Ellen Joe, Nicole, Anby, Billy, Vivian, Jane Doe, etc. are all pretty memorable. I can't really remember anything Burnice does outside not apart of this ship
>>4509696My bad, I thought you were talking about their involvement in the story
>>4509696She does a little dance with song that repeats her name a lot
>>4509696She also catfishes some female NPC
>>4509734Gonna be stuck in my head for hours now that you reminded me of it.
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