Previous >>4510064Thread for yuri discussion of:>Genshin Impact>Honkai Impact 3rd>Honkai Star Rail>Guns GirlZ>Zenless Zone Zeroand other applicable miHoYo/Hoyoverse games
Now that S2 is over, holy fuck what a mess, it was such a mixed bag, straying from the modern day fantasy and shoehorning magic/Wuxia shit, introducing someone like Yixuan that could easily fix any problem in minutes in the first chapter and have her conveniently disappears afterwards until the cast is about to get killed, the Exaltists being saturday morning cartoon level of punching bags despite the story treating them as legit threats to the point you think Sarah is actually retarded for believing she could succeed at all, etc.And speaking of her, all the buildup and mystery surrounding her since pretty much the beginning of the game only for her reasoning for all of it was a blink and you miss it 'the government/military betrayed me' and the Creator she was trying to get at wasn't even the correct one how much of a shitty writer you have to be for a villain who you introduce in the following chapter to have a better plan, motivation, backstory and have it have a tragic endingAlso you could tell they were really desperate for players to like YSG, all the cliches are there like being the perfect wife and meeting the proxy during their childhoodAnd to top it all off the leaked characters look like trash, like they ditched the mix between stylish and fanservice to go full goonrant over
>>4525264>Yixuan disappearing all the timeOnly justified if it's later revealed that the mayor was intentionally holding her back to force YSG awaken and become a Void Hunter>meeting the proxy during their childhoodTo be fair, the game tells you outright that something about that memory doesn't seem right, which could be another time travel hint or at the very least that it didn't happen like it was portrayed.I agree with all of your other points, though. Really hoping the return to Sixth Street means we're going back to URBAN fantasy rather than urban FANTASY: wuxia edition.
>>4525299Man sometimes I wish Jane Doe was Belle's only love interest. I feel like her, Ellen, and Zhu Yuan are the only pairings with Belle that don't feel forced in the game.
>>4525264I dont think you should hold out hope.They'll always go crawling to the lowest common denominator when their numbers go down, and their numbers always go down.
>>4525249I want Belle to cuck me by fucking all the girls
Man the new Star Rail update looks boring
>>4525459Only good thing is getting a free 5* I guess, before I thought about making a elation team but none of the new characters look interesting to me, now I'll just grab kafka and roll for the others two dot hags rerun banner.
Cissia is fucking amazing, this new ZZZ update is bonkers.
Cissia confirmed idol groomer
>>4525500I know she's supposed to be a criminal trying to get into NEPS good grace so she gets released, but goddamn what a downgrade compared to Jane
>>4525461>getting a free 5*?
>>4525543A selected list of characters is being given for free.
>>4525542Well Cissa is better sniffing cunny than Jane. She's gonna have so much fun with the idorus.
>>4525595Jane doesn't sniff cunny she eats it. Every girl she meets ends up wanting her.
>>4525612>Jane doesn't sniff cunny she eats it.Has she?
>>4525459It looks way better than Amphoslop
>>4525500is she the next astra/ye?
>>4525775Maybe the world, the characters look super generic.
Belle no!!
Zhubelle is so good I wish it was realhttps://x.com/luci_animates/status/2020095996408263074
I never had the chance to roll for Acheron and now I can get her for free, so I must ask now sisters, is she still able to do anything on hsr current meta?
>>4525784But she might rivaling Jane Doe.down the road.
>>45258233* on the highest difficulty endgame modes isn’t really happening without a well invested team. If that’s still usable to you then go for it.If you’ve been running Cas’s team or anything 3.x-level then get ready to be disappointed though.
>>4525789Nihilux and Eva have very unique designs for HSR, SW is a bit fo a downgrade but has some cool details, Sparxie has a better outfit than Sparkle (it's a bit less Xianzhou dress). The worst ones of the women are Yaoguang and Pearl, but Amphoreus also had a lot of shit or meh designs (Tribbie, Castorice, literal pink Barbara, generic thief, generic european scholar, DH with barely any changes) and most didn't even look greek. Even Phagnon, who was the main push, looked like some generic isekai MC with a gay whore choker.
>>4525775The planet looks cool but the characters all look so lame
>>4525834>EvaIsn't she just your standard expy character? I wouldn't really call her unique. Nihilism looks like a glorified npc. SW never had a good design and is just loli Bronya. The only one that looks unique is Sparxie, and even then all that stuff on her looks like a visual mess. Pearl looks so out of place. She looks like a WuWa character that stumbled into HSR
There's to much female characters with white/silver hair on 4x, I counted at least 5.
>>4525843Hoyo has been doing too many white/silver hair characters for awhile now. Even Amphoreus had a few. And when they feel like experimenting they'll throw in a pink haired character. It just feels lazy.
>>4525840I'm saying Eva looks unique for HSR standards, since she doesn't have the Xianzhou dress, she has full sleeves and even a small coat, unique hairstyle, symmetrical shoes and no one had those types of ears so far.And poor Pearl looks like Kokomi>>4525843I love white hair, but it kinda loses its appeal if everyone and their mom has it.
>>4525861>poor Pearl looks like KokomiNot really anon
>>4525834Isn't it sad how pink Barbara still manages to be the best design they had in the last region?The same face issue is also getting really bad. (Rice in particular felt really bad)Alts are a way to stop this a little, because both same-face and design being the same makes sense. But my god. The similarities between characters like Cipher and Topaz are just too much. (they even made their kit basically the same, like wtf)
>>4525948Nah the best design was Cerces, the only character that actually looked like a greak goddess, shame she got the npc treatment.
>>4525948Hysilens looks just like Ruan Mei and the new Luofu general is just genderbent Phainon. It's so bad people make fun of how copy/paste her design is from his.
>>4526137They could literally have made her a 4* at least, but hoyo forgot those exist,
>>4526326Wasn't Moze the last 4 star? Iirc he came out in 2024.
>>4526359Yeah, it's just pointless to do a 4* when they have to release 2 5 *charactesr almost every patch, there just so much "creative" character skill kit you can create, so why would you waste time with 4* and have people crying about them being weak anyway?
>>4526375Doesn't genshin also release two 5* per update? And they still make 4 stars.
>>4526407Genshin has way more devs compared to HSR, and it's not a rpg per turn they can do much more with their gameplay so making a weak 4* is not that hard because you will have people trying to compensate bad numbers with "skill" but in HSR if you have bad numbers you're just bad and that's the end of it, there's nothing to do most of the time.
>>4526375>why would you waste time with 4* and have people crying about them being weak anyway?To be more f2p friendly? People can't afford spending on so many 5 star characters.
>>4526486I mean they could've easily made some of the CH a 4 star with the same skills. 4 star characters aren't meant to be strong. They are meant to help make our 5 star characters stronger. They could've easily made pink Barbara, Tribbie, Cipher, or Hysilens a 4 star character while not changing much about them.
>>4525542I don't see why people compare her to Jane all the time they're very different archetypes. Jane's undercover infiltrating the criminal underworld and getting people arrested. That'd make her very trusted in NEPS and the equivalent of a plainclothes cop. Cissia's a scoundrel who's borderline retarded and is always looking the easy way out while trying not to violate her parole. Jane's the femme fatale final boss, Cissia's the low level crook who gets beat up in the opening scene to establish the protagonist.
>>4526564>They could reduce their sales numberI would love if that happen because I'm not their ceo but let's be real here.
>>4526756She's a strange kind of cute but I like her. Personality is a lot of fun.
>>4526762Did any of these characters really fo big numbers? Would Tribbie have really hurt HSR as a really good 4 star support? I know Hoyo would never do it but has there been any correlation to 4 star supports equals less money?
I have to ask in ZZZ is there any point in picking the sibling? From what I see they are basically the same person when you play. If you pick Belle Wise is always there. If you pick Wise Belle is always there. They are both the store manager. They are both together the Proxy. They both share the same past and skills. Hell they both even appear in cutscenes. What is the point of making us pick one of them, especially since I heard you can swap between them while running through the city? They could've at least have made the experience of playing as each sibling different. Like Belle's friendlier personality helped you bond with characters faster or something.
>>4526821They get different dialog options and different cutscenes/comic art. Major difference being Belle tends to be closer or touch the other characters if you want more /u/ value
>>4526827I never noticed Belle does that. Is Belle more touchy with Yidhari? For obvious reasons I never watched videos of Wise to compare
>>4526860Weirdly yes. The vast majority are either identical or 95% the same, with a couple favoring Wise. Yidhari and the idols all over Belle specifically though. Though for the idols I'd blame that on translating idol culture into the game so Wise would probably get stabbed on the street if in-universe if he touched them lol.
>>4525791Sunna wake up Caesar taste for girls
>>4526873Doesn't Belle hold Yidhari's hand while Wise just reaches out to her? Same with Vivian touching Belle while with Wise she's just touching the wall. Honestly I'd be somewhat ok if the game gave Belle and Wise exclusive love interests. Kind of like how Caesar likes Wise but not Belle. Give Belle Jane Doe, Ellen, Yidhari, and Zhu Yuan exclusively and this would be the best Hoyo game of all time for me
>>4526946I really like this artist. They love Starch as much as I do.
Honest question why is KoroSan/Sandbina so big? Honestly it's rare to see a yuri couple blows up this much
>>4526860>>4526988>>4526871Belle is so fucking lucky its unreal
Big fan of how even if Yao Guang doesn't do anything relevant she'll still get art with Cyrene cause of their dub voice actresses
>>4527004I think its thanks to the teasing of Columbina and Sandrone being a massive tsundere. It is so popular a video of the ship reached #1 on bilibili. Hoyo rarely if ever does tsundere ships so it makes sense why it blew up. https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/XaKuXlHfYa
>>4527014Belle is cursed with great luck
>>4526988I believe Belle also touches Sunna while w*se kept his hand off tooBut these are trivial when w*se always gets the big h*rem shill moments so you know where their real intent is
yeah what belle gets (if she even gets anything) is nothing to how they treat her brother, i'm already dreading the next waifubait and the insane amount of shill he's going to get with her
That's why I invested in purrnice coin
>>4527334At least Jane Doe favoring Belle over Wise >>4527345You got scammed by a meme coin anon
>>4527348Purrnice Israel!
Its still crazy to think Hoyo gave us a canon lesbian in Genshin with lines that made it clear she saw Aether as just a friend and Lumine as something more romantic.
https://exhentai.org/g/3776528/5de57c1063/
She is talking about Constance, isn't she? If yes then Swanstance might tentatively be back on the menu. Sure, it's a feeble hope given HSR's track record with yuri but still..
My god she never stops talking about her gf. I don't know who's worse Beidou or Dehya when it comes to constantly talking about their gfs
>>4527845This moment might've been even more egregious than the Acheron farewell. We had no relationship with BS despite her being on the Express for so long to warrant any sentimental goodbyes. Her line of enjoying her time there felt forced since we the player never saw her enjoying her time with them. Why is HSR so shit at writing characters having a connection with the Express outside of trying to make them a waifu? A big reason Belobog worked is because they felt like actual friends to the Express crew.
>>4527996>This moment might've been even more egregious than the Acheron farewellThat is why it's marked as optional; at the very least, telling the other AE members is. Felt like even Hoyo themselves are quite aware of the fact that Black Swan is essentially a non-character.Which is a damn shame, because her lore (including her character PV) has some intriguing implications for her relationship with TB but it is what it is now. What a horribly misused character.
>>4528038>What a horribly misused character.that's just 90% of hsr cast
>>4528038>because her lore (including her character PV) has some intriguing implications for her relationship with TB but it is what it is nowI remember when we first saw her years ago they set her up as this all k owing character. As if she knew all about the TB's past and what the future has in store for them. Only for the actual game to have her be in the background 70% of the time, and the other 30% is just her dumping exposition.
>>4527996The reason they used to remove her from the plot is also so bullshit and obviously only because they didn't know what to do with her and didn't want to have another character to juggle. "I must report to the Garden for some reason" isn't she like on the run from them right now? The "extremist" faction didn't seem so small and the Garden's big leader wants to kill the other children of Anasrava...and Black Swan literally helped TWO of them, while defying the people she sent.It's insane how Swan was used before the game released to explain the Aeon lores then when we actually meet her she kinda barely does anything. And the final nail in the coffin is the Stellaron's Hunter and their fuckass keikaku saying that the AE would end up in Amphoreus one way or another even without Swan.
Anyone else getting tired of the " Gray x" title the TB gets? Is it really hard to just say Trailblazer if they can't be more creative? I hate how Star Rail can't can't be bothered to have characters give Stelle a unique nickname. First everyone on Amphoreus had to call her Gray something and now Sparkle, who I don't think ever had a nickname for Stelle, is calling her Gray Hair. It gets more and more annoying everytime a new character creates a new Gray nickname. What's worse is characters that don't have a bond with Stelle are the ones creating these nicknames. I seriously can't remember Sparkle saying more than 6 words to Stelle
>>4528061The fact that she allegedly enlists Dahlia's help to get out of this mess also seems stupid as fuck. Weren't they "cellmates" and "partners in crime" back in the day? Isn't Dahlia herself basically a fugitive as far as the Garden is concerned? Why would Black Swan get involved with a pathological backstabber yet again when she tells her off and calls her crazy in the story? Why do it at all when her position is already compromised by her actions in Amphoreus? None of that makes any sense, but then again it doesn't surprise me in the slightest after 2 years of blatant mishandling.I can only hope that hoyo has something in store for her for the GoR arc but I'm not holding my breath.
>>4528072They have jack shit
>>4528072And it's even sillier after Black Swan admited she can use Cremator powers as well, she just chooses not to.If we get a GoR arc and Black Swan is not relevant in it, I'll pay Da Wei a little visit
>>4527552Good stuff.
4.0 might be the worst HSR patch opening ever. Whoever signed off on the annoying raccoon puzzles should be fired.
>>4528141The puzzles are a torture, but the story is good. Not very yuriful, but at least not a snoozefest. I guess if your goggles are tight, you can see Tingyun x Yao, Himeko x Pear/Jade/her dead kouhai
>>4528155I found it to be a snoozefest. I didn't care about any character shown and them constantly doing the POV changes needs to stop. I'm also tired of them bringing in people from other planets into the story as if these planets are 1 hour away from each other. Them giving Himeko any character development 3 years later is a little too late for me
>>4528099>If we get a GoR arc and Black Swan is not relevant in itWasn’t it at least implied that Black Swan might lead a rebellion against the GoR to purge its corruption? Although I most certainly don’t expect them to follow through with it.
Somehow, hoyo threw acheswan fans a bone in some random cat camera theatre
>>4528399In all honesty, I wouldn't even classify that as a "crumb". Absolutely laughable.
>>4528401That's almost the same amount of screentime Swan had in Amphoreus
>>4528399>a fateful encounter with danger lurking around>this is a memory etched deep into my soulyeah cool, nothing we didn't already knowthis kind of low effort crap is borderline insulting at this point
>>4528399Hsr characters interaction is so shit jesus.
>>4528141I'm not too far yet, but nothing is worse than Amphoreus. It might not be as good as 2.0, but it also is quite a bit better than the absolute disaster that was 3.0. 90% Phainon focus, banner characters entirely ignored (including the much awaited Herta), no hook or anything to make us care, putting march on ice to write her out of the story and nobody cares because now we need to help them deal with their weird ass war?Like seriously, you can't do it worse. Gameplay was okay, but past .0 that was removed as well. Evernight switching was also really fucking bad in some rooms, resulting in a lot of back and forth running with trial and error, sometimes even leading to no solution because you simply didn't take a specific optional quest yet. Like fucking hell.
>>4528443I disagree. At least Amphoreus introduced us to the world and what was happening. This felt like a glorified event story that they tricked us into believing was a main story. There's too many "lol its a joke" moments and nothing feels important or impactful. And when they do try to be serious it just feels unearned. I also found Sparxie to be really annoying. Don't get me wrong Amphoreus was terrible. I just think 3.0 was better than 4.0
>>4528456Though this could be entirely because I despise the puzzles so much that I feel this way. Thay 1 mechanic being forced on us 90% of the story killed it for me. The school setting was also never used to its full potential. And worse of all they brought Skott back. I don't know why the devs like him so much.
>>4528443>Gameplay was okayHoyo received so many complains they had to fix it and make most of it optional. Right after it was released, 3.0's gameplay in the main story was unbearable. Several minutes of running from one point to the other and boring puzzles that break the flow of the story. Imagine going to the domain of the Titan of Strife and instead of fighting, you have to do a bunch of puzzles.>>4528457At least now they killed Skott, so hopefully he's gone for good now.>>4528456>introduced us to the world and what was happening"The world that was just a simulation, and worse, just one out of 33 million. Literally nothing we did in terms of character growth in it matters because all the heirs now have the memories of all 33 million loops too.>>4528071I agree. It all started in Penacony with Sparkle in fact, she already did it back then
>>4528488The issue with this new planet is that it feels too random and pointless. When Himeko asked if they crew wanted to partake in the tournament I just kept asking myself "why are we doing this?". Also the Luofu characters were added to the story in the for literally no reason but to get people to roll for them. This reminded me of the Rappa event where none of the jokes landed, and when 80% of the story is jokes it starts to become cringe inducing. Like seriously why are we still doing the raccoon jokes with Stelle?
>>4528513This planet exists to expand on Himeko's history, that's important. We need to participate on the game to protect her homeland and to stop worse people from doing evil things.I agree the Luofu characters were useless and absolutely just China pandering.
>>4528523Why is it important now? Himeko has never teased her past all this time yet all of a sudden we're supposed to sit here and think its super important to the Crew's story? Why not make that the focal point. Remove all the pointless filler and Sparxie crap and just have Himeko roam around her old home and rekindle that connection. I felt more for Seele in her old playground than Himeko on this planet
>>4528527>Why is it important now?Because she's the only memeber of the AE who we know nothing about and she will keep tagging along with us forever.>Why not make that the focal point.Because that would be fucking boring and we will spend 8 whole patches in Planarcadia + the IPC planet, we can't just show up to visit Himeko's home and go away. Hoyo will obviously add stuff that affecst the overarching plot and Aeon bullshit, so they need a bigger plot to include it.If not Planarcadia, what do you think the AE should even do? They don't have a main goal and just roam around like hobos while playing the space police.>>4528457>The school setting was also never used to its full potentialWe will likely revisit it when Evanescia becomes relevant, since she seems to be a student in it. And Himeko still has ties to it.
>>4528604>Because she's the only memeber of the AE who we know nothing about and she will keep tagging along with us forever.That's we know nothing about her yet she's been traveling with us for so long. It makes this sudden and random exploration of hee character feel random. >We will likely revisit it when Evanescia becomes relevant, since she seems to be a student in it. And Himeko still has ties to it.Why should we care though. We're revisiting the school just because it's connected to the banner character, but how does that connect to Stelle or the Express's reason to be on the planet. So much of the shit on this planet feels like it happens just for the sake of happening. At least Amphoreus had a direction. This is just random nonsense.
>>4528604>They don't have a main goal and just roam around like hobos while playing the space police.This explains the biggest issue with Star Rail and why the stories don't connect with me like ZZZ or Genshin. Those games makes the banner characters important but never forget to give the main characters/character some purpose in each story. This new planet has no idea what ro do with any of the AE. Welt does nothing, March does nothing, Dan Heng does nothing, Sunday barely does something, and the TB only does something because they are the MC. Let's be honest everything the TB did could've just been done by Himeko and not much would've changed. SW was just there. The China characters were just there. This patch was about a new character Sparxie and Sparkle, who the AE barely knows, and Himeko. Himeko doesn't connect to the first two at all so you have all these major revelations and lore dumping that doesn't even go well together narratively. It just felt like a mess with way too any characters introduced doing way too many different things ro make up for the lack of real purpose and goal from the Express Crew.
Gata bajo la lluvia. also when and why did this become a thing?
>>4528642>It makes this sudden and random exploration of hee character feel randomAside from Penacony, they have been using each planet to explore 1 AE member: Luofu was the DH backstory and Amphoreus was (supposed to be) the March one. They also seem to be taking turns focusing on each Stellaron Hunter.Welt already has a huge backstory from HI3 and I'm not sure if they will do much with him, they really shouldn't. So the only one missing was Himeko. It's still dogshit storytelling, especially the zero hints we ever got about her past, but going to Planarcadia is still the choice with the most sense for the AE.
>>4528762Not really. If the writers wanted us to go ti this planet they could've at least written a personal reason for Himeko as a catalyst then the other plot points happen around that. Or they could've connected Himeko's past to the main story like Dan Heng. Instead her story is happening in the background of a random story that doesn't connect to anything. And honestly this is all happening just so they can release another copy if Himeko. This is just another HSR story that's telling us to care instead of making us care through storytelling.
>>4528786>connected Himeko's past to the main story...This is what they are doing, the dude who murdered all of Himeko's classmates (or at least someone connected to him or imitating him) seem to have come back and is starting shit in the current Phantasmoon game. It's been a long time since I played, but if I recall, the reason we went to Luofu was even more retarded: because Kafka told us to and for some reason we believed what she said. We didn't go there to help DH with his past and most of his backstory was locked behind companion quests, including Jingliu's.
>>4528789In fairness though Dan Heng's backstory was connected to the planet and Kafka was connected to the TB. Even the villain was connected to Nanook, who is connected to the TB. When the fuck was anything involving Himeko's classmates ever a big deal to her? At least March's past was teased and Dan Heng's story was alluded to with all the Blade stuff. This Himeko crap feels out of left field and forced
>>4528657Pulchra's intro cutscene had Burnice wanting to pet her tail and the fans went from there, also once she joinced SoC they didn't miss a chance for Burnice to mention how much she likes her
>>4528789>>4528793For me these issues stem from the removal of story quests. Now things that would've worked as story quests (Himeko talking about her school life, the Tingyun part, Evernight's story, Herta in Amphoreus, etc) are crammed into the main story.
>>4528823Uh, that's actually the whole problem with the story now yeah, also one of the reason they have to do a lot of annoying pov switch.
>>4528823I don't even think Star Rail has done as event that had a story that added more to a character since Feixiao.
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Is Yao worth getting? I didn't really care about her in the story and heard many people saying she's skippable. Is she necessary if I want Silver Wolf? I don't really want anyone else besides her.
>>4528878Just wait, SW kit, Eva kit, Elation MC kit all of it will be avaliable 2 days before the Yao and Sparxie banners end, so really, there's no reason to pull right now if you don't care for the character.
>>4528879Honestly I don't want Evanesce either. I'm not really a fan of the design. The hair looks off to me. I'll save and see what SW can do. If her kit sucks I'll just save for the 5.0 characters
Meme going around you can mentally fill in whoever you want for the negative space.
>>4528970Yanagi with Trigger though if you ignore the top right you can pretend it's someone else.
>>4528971And Evelyn with you know who
>>4528887Pleb, her hair is very beautiful. I need her to meet Tingyun for maximum fox interactions>>4528970I don't know how this became a trend, but I love it. Only good trend I've ever seen
>>4528970Was wondering why those legs were so small. Jane's pretty tall but I couldn't think of any of the smaller characters Jane would be shipped with before it suddenly hit me. It's fucking Tomiya, the cop Jane fucked in the car lol.
>>4529026She looks stupid and you know it
>>4528399This is actually funny and managed to get a chuckle out of me.But maybe I'm one of the few who enjoy wandering around eavesdropping on every possible conversation in hopes of finding something comical like this.
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Rare Acheron being ganged on
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I really love her design. The Hex Girls have all been 10/10 design wise for me
Lauma x Nefer should be way bigger
https://x.com/Lycahugofan/status/2025227546212675880
>>4531147Helga is a slut
Out of the way. Out of the waycanon couple coming through
>>4530157Most people are too burned out from genshin
>>4532294Saying that while showing Acheron x Black Swan from HSR, aka the Hoyo game people are most burnt out from, is hilarious
>>4532313It's not that serious, anon
>>4532568Point out where in my post I was taking things seriously. If anything you're the one that comes across as being offended and taking things seriously by your reply
>>4532571Maybe because instead of trying to deny it, you just brought up the game in my picture despite it not being relevant to the subject at hand. Your sentence reads as the classical passive aggressive "no, YOUR waifu is ugly" type of argument. I don't care about people calling HSR shit, I made several comments shitting on it in this thread, but I don't understand why I "comes across as being offended" in a neutral 5 words sentence.Mind you, I never once said I hate genshin or Laufer. I think they look cute, but I can't bring myself to play genshin anymore after so many years and how badly it treats all the characters I like. HSR is on paper thin ice too.
>>4532616Yeah you're definitely the one taking it too seriously. I'm guessing you're the schizo anon that throws a fit if someone calls out your precious ship.I brought up the game because HSR causes more burn out than Genshin, especially after Amphoreus. Buy hey if you wanna keep talking out your ass that's fine.
>Acheswan in the big 2026
>>4532733>implying there was any big ship after it, especially in Amphlopeus>>4532636You never explained how that 5 word sentence = being triggered.
>>4532946I mean you never explained how my sentence = "no, YOUR waifu is ugly" so....Also Cerydra x Hysilens is right there anon
>>4532998>Cerydra x HysilensAnd since when was this a big ship? No one talks about it and they don't have many art. The game fucked them over hard, somehow more than the other characters.
>>4532998>Also Cerydra x Hysilens is right there anonHysilens was mostly (You) bait and they were both introduced way too late.
>>4533014Ironically enough, Cerydra has more fanart than her. I hope hoyo took the hint that waifubait doesn't always sell and stop this shit, especially since Cyrene sold less than Phagnon despite all the shilling AND Elysia nepotism
>>4533003You make it sound like anyone talks about Acheron x Black Swan
>>4533024You talk like Phainon wasn't super shilled too, he was literally the protagonist of the first part with almost everything going around him, not to mention the whole powerlevel faggtory they did with his in game animation story..
>>4533024Didn't they try not to waifu bait with Constance and the new general and they both sold like shit?
>>4533027Tbh constance was just a "dead patch" character that was never meant to sell well, Hoyo just thuoght firefly fags would return to play the game and grab her but that obvious never happened, that's why they are going to buff her at 4.2 even though she is in a good spot.The general situation though, that's trully pathetic, not only they swapped Sparxie banner with her to appeal to chinese fags but her sales are the worst so far.
>>4533030What's even funnier is how obvious the swap was. I can't remember her name because of how little she did. All she really did was hang out with Dan Heng and Sunday the whole story. It so obvious she was meant to be part of the later banners. I will admit I'm curious how well Sparxie will do. Even though Sparkle is beloved her banner sales weren't amazing. While I hope her banner doing meh numbers will teach Hoyo to scale back on making so many alts for characters. I also hope if her banner does meh numbers they don't try to make future characters waifu bait. This new planet seems pretty devoid of that so far.
>>4533026Ofc Phagnon was shilled, even more than Cyrene. But considering she is a woman + waifu bait + Elysia expy, she should still have sold more than him. Even Castorice made more profit than him, and the devs pretty much removed her from the story after her patch.>>4533027They still threw 1 waifubait line at the very ending of the story
>>4533051I saw a lot of people down on Cyrene. She's arguably the most polarizing character in Amphoreus. She was setup as Firefly 2.0 but very little people ended up shipping her with either TB. It didn't help that they brought back actual Firefly the very next patch
>>4533057The problem is just that the ship is just on the director head, seeing her weapon ult with memories of her with TB is just lmao? When did all this shit happened, are you crazy girl? They ruined Cyrene character by making her be just a version of her honkai conter part, so the whole "she love the world, she love everyone, she love YOU" make sense if you already know her from there but if you just play HSR it's just ? Why are you using a wedding dress?
>>4533064"she love the world, she love everyone" doesn't even work for Cyrene because we barely see her interacting with people other than the TB. Even in her Peach form, she only showed up to drive the plot forward and die, while Demiurge was locked up this whole time and Mem didn't do much either. They gave the "interacting with the group" role to Phagnon and left nothing for Cyrene, but still tried to force the in-love with humanity bullshit. Unlike many people on 4chan, I actually really like Elysia, but Cyrene was a tragedy.It's also crazy how they made her a support pretty much only for Amphoreus characters...
>>4533003>No one talks about itNo one talks about Acheswan either, well, except for the few really dedicated shippers who keep producing like 90% of Acheswan fanart to this day.It is an irreversibly dead ship at this point narrative-wise. >>4533051>They still threw 1 waifubait line at the very ending of the storyNo one took it seriously anyway.
>>4533064Honestly I think she was setup to fail. Hoyo already has a kinda Betty/Veronica thing with March and Firefly where both are heavily paired with the TB that adding another potential pairing just feels unnecessary unless they were gonna make it canon. Instead she has less chemistry and scenes with TB that, like you said, just makes her living them feel out of place. Stelle doesn't even reflect on the events with Cyrene in 4.0 yet we're meant to believe Cyrene loves the TB.
>>4533150You know if you're going to draw furry you should at least draw fur
>>4533042You act as if anyone knows any hard sales data.We don't. What fake numbers we do know actually made her rather successful. Doubly so considering how she was second half as well, and had no real dps to support.
>>4533331What anon
>>4533115>No one talks about Acheswan eitherNo one talks about any ship. So why should I move from one flopped ship to another flopped ship that has even less content (as implied here >>4532733)? I don't enjoy the post-Acheswan ships' dynamics and characters enough to put up with their dead fandoms. And Amphoreus ships are extra fucked because the characters are currently in limbo and they now have the memories of 33 million loops, so things like Cipher dying alone while hallucinating Aglaea aren't that impactful. The least fucked ship is Ruan Mei x Herta, but I have a hard time imagining Ruan Mei in romantic settings without making her too OOC.
>>4533347I'm confused here. You're talking down other ships while trying to imply Acheron x BS, aka the ship that has no real moments in game to talk about, has better dynamic than all other ships? Constance and BS in 1 patch had a better dynamic than BS and Acheron in all of Penacony. You can like a ship anon but don't act like its superior to other ships to justify you liking it.
>>4533357>Constance and BS in 1 patch had a better dynamic than BS and Acheron in all of Penacony.Nta but truth be told, they're not entirely wrong about Constance x BS (among many other Star Rail ships) being dead. Acheswan, on the other hand well, the trailer actually but whatever will be remembered for as long as HSR exists, for better or worse I don't know.
>>4533357Tell me how any ship from Amphoreus is better than Acheswan. They can be on the same level, but you are kidding if they are better. All characters got treated like shit individually in general, even worse than in Penacony, and the mess becomes even bigger if you pair them up. They even marketed Hysilens as waifubait.I don't dislike Swanlia and would ship it if Acheron didn't exist, but the reasons why I still prefer the older ship is because Constance x Swan are exes and dislike each other, Constance herself said they can never rekindle it, more uncertain future due to Dahlia flopping, their promo (and an in-game clip) was just plagiarizing and riding on the coattails of Rondo. In case it needs to be said, these are PERSONAL reasons and I understand if people prefer Swanlia, I don't demand them to switch to another ship like their fan does in this thread.>like its superior to other shipsI literally said it's as flopped as the others too, and that one of the main reasons I stick to it it's because it has more fan content. You can dislike a ship anon but don't act like I blindly glaze it. Dynamics is also a matter of personal preference. It's one of the reasons why Kafhime has so much content even though they have like 2 seconds of in-game interaction. Does it mean their fans hate the other ships? Do you tell them to quit it and main your OTP instead?
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>>4533379>Constance herself said they can never rekindle itThey're literally traveling together again >>4527845
>>4533376No one remembers that trailer anon>>4533379I'm not reading all this garbage
>No one remembers RondoFunniest shit I've read today, good job
>>4533379>but the reasons why I still prefer the older ship is because Constance x Swan are exes and dislike each other, Constance herself said they can never rekindle it, more uncertain future due to Dahlia floppingThis is some mental gymnastics shit right here holy shit. I can't like a ship because one of the banners underperformed.
>>4533394>Funniest shit I've read today, good jobDamn that's actually kinda sad. You really have no life anon
>>4533396You've got the wrong person, sister.
>>4533397Not really. Anyone who thinks an opinion like that is the funniest thing they heard is kinda sad.
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>>4533395Sis, you're the one doing mental gymnastics to purposefully misinterpret what she said
>>4533395That's not the point. It's because if hoyo ever actually addresses the GoR subplot, they might not even include Constance at all since they will have 834934 characters to juggle and she flopped. If they bring the old characters, they will likely choose only Black Swan because she's at least more popular than Dahlia and showed up in the first promo videos pre-release. Black Swan is almost guaranteeded to show up even for 2 seconds and Acheron will play an important role in the future for sure, so there's bigger chances of them having scenes and even interacting. Also as per Black Swan's line about Acheron in her character story.That's another reason why Amphoreus characters are doomed. Even their own 'planet' treated them as props who only exist to die and make Phagnon sad. Even when Amphoreus is rebuilt, it will likely be just the Phagnon (and sometimes Cyrene) show like always.Aside from these, Herta and Ruan Mei have a better future. Herta is an Emanator and somewhat close with the AE, and Ruan Mei is still relevant to the Godslayer keikaku (plus she wants to become an Aeon). They even made sure to add a tiny RM cameo when Herta called the geniuses.
>>4533395>I can't like a ship because one of the banners underperformed.And you conveniently ignored everything else.
>>4533403I'm not though.
>>4533405Sorry I was just pointing out the most retarded reason you don't ship them
>>4533404>they might not even include Constance at allAnd rightly so, because as per 3.8 Constance has more chances to reappear in the Nihility arc.
>>4533409Again, you've got the wrong person, sis.
>>4533404>Acheron will play an important role in the future for sure, so there's bigger chances of them having scenes and even interactingThey barely interacted in their arguably most important patch. I don't get the whole "Acheron will be important later" idea. Why would she be? She's not part of the Express so no matter what she is doing it has no relation to what the Express is doing. So whatever is important to her later needs to first be important to the Express. >>4533410We shouldn't want characters to appear just for the sake of them appearing. HSR isn't like Genshin or ZZZ they really need to justify a character showing up again. Otherwise you just get random shit like Topaz on Penacony. If Acheron or Dahlia return they'll be pushed into the background to shill the newer characters, making their return feel pointless. Or worse they'll just create a bs reason to give them an alt version. I personally am tired of forced alt 5 star versions of characters.
>>4533415>they'll just create a bs reason to give them an alt versionI mean... Acheron is all but guaranteed to receive an alt version someday.
>>4533417After firefly, cyrene, and everyone else, sure she will.Devs hate her, even aventurine is already getting alt.
>>4533417And this is why I'm tired of HSR. They can't make new interesting characters and rely on older characters that they barely developed and expect us to care. Characters deel like they're only introduced solely to get alt versions later.
>>4533415>Why would she be?Because Nihility is one of the 4 paths that can lead to Finality, 3.8 said Firefly would be the final girl in it (and now that increases even more the chances of us getting the Nihility arc) and she was protecting TB from Acheron for fear it would mess the plan, they have been teasing Zephyro for a while now (I fucking hate that cuck, but he is related to Nihility too), Polka also has ties to Device IX and she is also referenced every now and then. There's also no way they would depict Acheron as one of the rarest Emanators of all and one of the strongest, but just have her breaking Sunday's barrier in Penacony and nothing else, they will give her a situation where she has to go all out for sure.>>4533415Acheron is almost guaranteed to get an alt version and I'm fine with it. I actually prefer to get some alts instead of a full new cast like Amphoreus, cause then there's never enough time to flesh them all out and they mostly feel like plot devices. I loathed Sparxie, but I liked how she expanded Sparkle's story.>>4533410She still has ties to Remembrance and we can't be sure if joining the Stellaron Hunters was the only way for her to become a Lord Ravager.
>>4533474>She still has ties to RemembranceOnly by grace of being a memetic entity. She's a Cremator, and a literal criminal as far as GoR is concerned. I have a hard time imagining Dahlia's involvement there given everything that's been teased about the possible future GoR story so far
>>4533478The tie I mentioned is being a possible anti-Remembrance Lord Ravager
>>4533474Again why does any if this matter to the AE? Yeah sure this gives Acheron a reason to comeback but Acheron isn't the MC. We should be less concerned about her being important later and more concerned about the Nihility being important to the AE. If you fumble in doing that you get another Penacony or Amphoreus where they throw in characters just for the sake of throwing in characters.
>>4533480Because the devs don't write only things that matter to the AE. You keep saying Planarcadia was a stupid idea and that it doesn't matter to the AE, yet the devs decided that it was necessary. 4.0 focused on Sparkle and Yaoguang, who are not really relevant to the AE either. So Acheron will probably get at least 1 patch to do things.
>>4533474>I actually prefer to get some alts instead of a full new cast like Amphoreus, cause then there's never enough time to flesh them all out and they mostly feel like plot devices.Couldn't you argue an issue with alts is they are given to these characters that aren't fleshed out. Take Sparkle for example. They created Sparxie while having to BS a relationship between Sparkle and the AE just to help tell the story. Then you have The Herta, who kinda came and went, and Tingyun, who is arguably the worse alt in the game. I guess I should say I hate how Star Rail uses alt versions of characters. 9/10 of the characters getting an alt barely has any character development themselves before getting the alt version. I always believed it was a mistake not having us grow to love Tingyun on the Luofu before her death. That way bringing her back would've had the emotional punch they wanted it to.
>>4533484She already did anon. We won't see Acheron until they push an SP of her like >>4533419 stated. That's the only way characters return anymore in this game. Even the crew need SP versions to stay relevant in stories now. Look at Dan Heng. Without a new version of him he's all but forgotten.
>>4533485>Couldn't you argue an issue with alts is they are given to these characters that aren't fleshed out.That isn't an issue of alts, it's an HSR issue.HI3rd doesn't make as many alts as it used to, but still uses them reasonably well. Just look at Helia and Coralie
>>4533590That's what I mean anon. I mean to say HSR's writing is so bad that alts feel like they're solely used as a means to flesh out undeveloped characters rather than used to expand existing lore. The only times I thought alts were used right in HSR was with Herta and Dragon Dan Heng, and even then they were both quickly forgotten or barely used after introduction. I feel like the issue is HSR puts gacha before writing a story of why they are getting an alt form.
>>4533736>they're solely used as a means to flesh out undeveloped charactersYes? That's exactly it's nice to have some alts instead of 10 new FOTM characters that wont appear again
>>4533949NTA, but the issue is that those character weren't developped when they released initially. The problem just shifted to later down the line. They were once FOTM characters that didn't got developement. Sparkle is the perfect example of that.
>>4533487>until they push an SP of herThat's what I've been saying this whole time. When the Nihility arc happens, Acheron will get an SP and some focus, even if for just 1 patch. There's no way they introduced one of the strongest and rarest Emanators just for her to break some dream barrier and never do anything else. Not even hoyo would be retarded enough to do that
>>4534093> When the Nihility arc happensGame will be dead by then
Who's ready for the Kiamei reunion?
>>4533949But the issue is the issue is the alts are the 10 new FOTM characters. They just reappear again to get an alt to then disappear again. Alts don't fix the problem. They just now add to the issue because now we have a character with 3 forms that is never shown
>>4534093The issue is would anyone care by then? "Remember this character that barely did anything in Penacony years ago???? Well now she's gonna be shilled for one patch rotation then put on the back burner again.". That doesn't feel that interesting for me personally. Its one of the reasons I didn't care about the Sparkle story. Its even less interesting when you just know Hoyo will shill a newer character over her.
>>4534388It's a retarded business model, but better than releasing yet another new character who will either be completely forgotten after 1 patch or brought back for another SP years later.
>>4534697Isn't that the same thing? Wouldn't Acheron be a new character that was only important in 1 patch that will be brought back down the line to get an SP version? The devs barely remember her at this point. Players are bombarded with new characters so frequently, and she's pretty updated gameplay wise, that most players forgot about her as the story goes on.
I'm a skip user so I have to ask, is Sparxie and Spark the same person? This is important for the fanfic on my head.
>>4534910Yesn't. One of them is a "mask" created and thrown away by the other. Sparkle said she made Sparxie to keep running her streaming show while she traveled, but due to Planarcadia magic, Sparxie became "real". Sparxie said Sparkle is the mask though and the game doesn't really tell you who is right. They have separate bodies and a few differences in personality.
>>4535097Honestly that's such a lame way to force in a reason for another Sparkle. Maybe I would've bought it a bit if anything was implied back in Penacony, but Hoyo made Sparkle such a non character back then that its hard to buy any of the Sparxie/Sparkle stuff now. Remember when Hoyo used to tease these things like with The Herta and even Evernight.
All I care about is that stellemarch was really cute
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>>4535106Caelus can have Firefly, Castorice, and Cyrene if it meant Hoyo made Starch canon
