>Political violence is an acceptable tool to improve kindred society your response?
>>720554143STFU bitch
greasy tramp can fuck off
violence usually works
>>720554143I open the blinds and she withers in the sun, improving kindred society
>>720554143people who don't believe politics is ran and enforced exclusively by violence or the implicit threat of violence believe the world only began 60 years ago
>>720554143I agree, but incels are also a massive domestic threat, and you should do your civic duty to suck me off and become my wife so I don't sperg out and make the kindred society worse.
>>720554143Dumb shit low humanity vampires say.
>>720554143i kiss her and break the curse of communism
>>720554143I turn her into a table
>>720554143>improveher point is more>we were here first, fuck off
>>720554143she is not wrong violence always works to force changes in the society but imagine caring that much to actually do something like that. that's so gay it's insane
>>720554143I agree with her. Do you want a revolution without a revolution?
>>720554143Imagine if you hated your boss, but said boss was also immortal so you'd never be rid of him. Suddenly violence makes a lot more sense.
>>720554143I dont care, Im gangrel aka autarkis.
>communism doesn't even work for mortals, it will SURELY work for vampires!lmao
>testing unofficial patch basic vs vanilla for something with guns>walking around downtown during test>unofficial patch adds extra music/conversation noise outside random buildingwhy
>>720560096the dev's girlfriend suggested it
>>720554143Correct, which is why you should face the wall, Anarch.
>>720557057Imagine if your boss has been keeping things held together for hundreds of years while you’ve been seething in a dive bar for just as long, and as soon as you get promoted to his position you cry and sunrise yourself because you don’t have a shred of experience running things. That’s what the Anarchs are like. Actual spoiled, rebellious teenagers who have a good thing going for them but reject it because they didn’t come up with the ideas first.
Literally how the fuck would communism work in the vampire society with how inherently hierarchal it is.
>>720554143"Political violence" only empowers the oppressors to justify their actions against dissidents and the population at large. If you wish to improve society you need to utterly crush the powers that be and create a new system where you yourself are the oppressor.
why can /v/ not differentiate between communism (all one thing btw) and anarchy
>>720554143Embrace the Lord
>>720560769damsel specifically is a communist and anarchs aren't anarchists
>>720554143I mean if your corrupt leadership is immortal and they're not interested in taking a vote, what are your options? That's right, I'm ignoring the bait and engaging sincerely within the game's context.
>>720554143She's absolutely right. The Federal juggernaut fears that small, close knit cliques will discover that targeted violence and terrorism works phenomenally well as the Feds only tools to respond to them inevitably breed the conditions to produce more violence against itself.
>>720555381A monopoly on violence by the state
>>720560563camarilla is a literal pyramid scheme, though
>>720561052when specifically does she say she's a communist
>>720561052Evil gif
>>720554143>"Your [username] and comment have been logged.">"Have a nice day!"
>>720554143You sound exactly like a Cammy
>>720561213As it should be. Do you really want little kids like Damnsel having any actual power?
>>720561215in some optional dialogue she goes on about how communism could work for vampires, don't remember the requirements to trigger it
>>720561052Anarchs are actual Anarchs in the traditional sense of the term, not the spinjob western media gave it so people wouldn't realize it's essentially the ideal form of government for anyone who isn't a bureaucratic leech or an agency spook.They still have Order and enforce the Masquerade, but the society at the municipal level has more authority as opposed to some random Elder in Europe deciding what's best for your Barony
>>720554143I'm a Ventrue. I don't associate with the dregs of kindred society and think the Camarilla is a good force that keeps us from being hunted down and destroyed by the Church. So I don't know how I ended up talking to this anarchist in the first place.
I reject the entire setting because I refused to believe such long living creatures could ever view anarchy as a realistic ideal.
Start slapping her big ol' vampire milkers and going BLBLBLBL
>>720554143I don't put my faith in revolutions. People die and nothing changes. That's why they're called revolutions.
>>720561521>So I don't know how I ended up talking to this anarchist in the first place.LaCroix tried having you killed.
>>720561502not necessarily, anarchs embody multiple political ideologies depending on their location or even the individual. the only consistency between them is a disdain for the cam.
>Sorry, I'm not into politics
>>720561897>SAAR I AM AMERICAN VAMPIRE SAAAAR I NEED SOME MEAT SAAAR
>>720561957I fucking hate this board
I debate her on intellectual grounds on the issues of communism when it is applies to any society of over 500 isolationist peoples that also wish access to a modern standard of living.Then, when she ignores common sense, I just post lewds of her all over The Last Round during the daytime, and tell her I'm just sharing my resources with the common people, since communism is all about an even distribution of goods.
>>720561213It really doesn't, that's just an Anarch talking point.More accurately it's a mix of a noble court and an HOA. Pyramid schemes are all about getting new people into the scheme, so you can go from being the one suckered into suckering others for profit. You could argue that the embrace incentivizes vampires to do exactly that with the embrace but here's the kicker: The Camarilla is explicitly against creating too many vampires all at once. It's why your sire gets beheaded. The Camarilla wants as few vampires in one place as it can realistically manage because it minimizes risk. Advancing within the Camarilla isn't a game of how many childer you can create, but how many friends you can make, how well you toe the party line, and how old you are. Every childe is a risk, perhaps they can help you establish a power base, perhaps they will blow up in your face and get your ass on the chopping block. It's definitionally not a pyramid scheme.
>>720561701I don't blame him. I'm a threat to his power. I'm going to replace him soon enough. Luckily for me, some others stood up for me when I was fresh and weak. I won't forget that but that doesn't mean I need to join their group. The main goal of the Camarilla is still the best way for kindred to survive. Sabbat would get us all hunted down. Anarchs are no better. I don't plan on opening that stupid fucking sarcophagus though. Fuck all that final nights cult nonsense. This city will be mine.
>>720561897>we are not so different you and iDie vermin
>>720561767Because the Cam is centralization of power. Anarchy isn't an ideological stance it's an organizational one. It's like being a Federalist vs a Centralist vs a Monarchist. You can have Anarcho-Capitalism, Anarcho-Socialism, Christo-Anarchy, etc. The point is that as an Anarch I (Nominally) know and can personally interact with whoever is in charge and can have my desires and gripes directly relayed to my leadership. The Camarilla is all about, rules, barriers, and limitations to my ability to influence my society.
>>720562121>just an Anarch talking point Ah ok. > mix of a noble court and an HOA.Say less, Satan.
>>720562209Hey, I never said it was good. Just that it's not a pyramid scheme.
>>720562106Oh, also open up the dev console and use 'money 2.5' to give her big fuckin' tits.
>>720562121Advancing in the Camarilla is just about a Methusaleh in Brussels deciding you might be a useful pawn. It has nothing to do with what a bunch of Elders you actually meet want, they don't matter.It's used to Deflect responsibility from those in power. "The Camarilla" doesn't want things, the people in control want things to be a certain way because it makes people easy to manage and thus makes them more useful in Jyhad.
>>720562371Her tits are already perfect as is, homo.
>>720562140Not going to last long if you make your enemies (LaCroix) your friends, and your friends (Anarchs) your enemies.
>>720562194> I (Nominally) know and can personally interact with whoever is in charge and can have my desires and gripes directly relayed to my leadership.>The Camarilla is all about, rules, barriers, and limitations to my ability to influence my society.The Camarilla isn't really that extreme. The Prince is the only authority most Camarilla vampires will interact with, and they are explicitly local leaders. The Justicars and Archons only get involved if major shit goes down. You have access to the Prince through your clan's representative on the Primogen Council. In fact, every Camarilla vampire is expected to meet the Prince face to face at least once, either soon after they are embraced, or when they first enter a Prince's domain. It's enshrined within the traditions. And that's my major grievance with the Anarchs. They have nothing enshrining their alleged principles. No documents to reference when deposing an illegitimate authority, no unifying axioms. Since vampires in general are often bad faith actors, I do not think a system with less enshrined traditions or laws is a good idea. You'll get warlords and despots within a decade, and unlike the Prince, there's no bigger authority to depose them if they break the obvious, no shit rules like Masquerade. >>720562490That's simply not true. The Inner Circle and the Justicars only set policy in the broadest sense. Deposing Princes only happens when there are serious violations of the Traditions and the locals can't or won't coup them. Most of the Camarilla is localist, just with a unifying set of traditions and a higher power for crises and preventing it from being destroyed by larger, more unified outside threats. Read Guide to the Camarilla.
>>720562627I respectfully disagree.Perfection is never truly achieved.We must always strive for something greater than what we have, lest we fall into a fallacy of imagining that things cannot be improved and stagnation is the course of inaction that must be taken.
>>720562194not really, anarch domains are rarely ran that differently from cam domains.
>>720563436He's decided to associate the anarchs with his IRL meme ideology so you're talking to a brick wall.
>>720563487that's more so the fault of the vtm writers naming a faction anarchs despite not being anarchists in any way
>>720563436You meet an actual Baron in the game when you enter his domain. It's the same shit.
>>720563078Nothing has the ability to enshrine it's principles through law unless it's already integrated into the collective culture of individuals. If a bunch of Anarchs start liking the taste of boot and the feeling of having a stick up their bum then yes, they too will become like Cammies or other despots.Everything you're describing as the Cammie allowing public interaction with leadership are just release valves for unrest by making the other side seem unreasonable. You don't NEED to interact with the Prince, just talk to your Primogen. Oh EVERYONE knows the Prince, it's tradition to meet him when you're fledgling or a guest with no clue what the fuck is going. The locals power to Overthrow a Prince is reliant on that Prince failing to uphold the Camarillas rules. Psychologically it places the impetus for local action to be done in the name of the ruling elite as opposed to simply what is best for the locality.
>>720563436That's my point dude. There is still order largely analogous with what the Camarilla claims to be the sole source of. It's just linked to a guy whose office is in a back alley you can walk into anytime (within reason) as opposed to being in a heavily restricted penthouse available by appointment only.
As if the anarchs aren't controlled by old farts as well.
>>720554143>your response?*Sigh* *Unzips*
>>720561897pisha is cute
>>720560891I did. Long before you were even bornt. Salubri healer
>>720560891
>>720563704>unless it's already integrated into the collective culture of individuals.And that is precisely why the Anarch philosophy is moronic. We're talking about vampires. Humans struggle with maintaining a functional culture, and Vampires have virtually every material incentive to lie, cheat, steal, and undermine. Generation makes them unequal, age makes them more powerful rather than weaker and more dull. And that's if we take a materialist view and don't deal with a more spiritual interpretation of The Beast or the curse of Caine.You would not get a friendly neighborhood vampire rep, you'd get a fucking warlord. I know this, because what you're describing, a local only system of vampire government with no universal rules, already happened. It was the way of things up until the end of the medieval period. It sucked, every city was ruled by the oldest bastard with the thickest blood who acted like God. The Camarilla and Sabbat were both reactions to the failures of allowing vampires to operate without larger guiding authority and philosophy.No political system is going to take the evil out of a bloodsucker, so the best one is the one that forces them to be civil, and keep the worst excesses of their condition at bay.
>>720563946needs to wash her mouth though
>>720560563Just ignore how the Camarilla is responsible for kickstarting the Second Inquisition.
>>720564675>just ignore V5 loreYes, anyone with a brain does.
I'm here for my state assigned Vampire gf. One cute Tzimisce voevodette, please!
>>720554143When has it ever improved kindred society? I think you just get off on the blood of revolution.
>>720564460Culture is Culture. It's not maintained it flows out of people and changes based on mass experiences and the exchange of ideas and language. It's pointless to argue because you, from a cultural standpoint, come to the conclusion that an overarching polity is better for vampire society than a localized based on your belief that a local polity lacks the tools to maintain order or prevent despotism.
>>720565498Revolutionary blood tastes pretty fucking good
>>720566035shooter is a liberal btw
>>720565151Here you go
why did HSL ever think anyone wanted this cunt in a game? even her fellow anarchs call her retarded
>>720566519idk evidently some people simp for a fairly mid (by bloodlines standards) bitch with an awful personality because she reminds them of the college commie they wanted to fuck back in university.
>>720566035Bro was clearly getting radicalized in the opposite direction based on his discord stuff and what written on the casings. Plus plenty of libs hate their conservative families this isnt some new thing.
>>720554143disregard what she says, immediate mating press and ejaculation into her room temperature pussy and cervix
Wouldn't she more have to convince the ancient vampires since they have the most capital on violence in kindred society? Why would they even entertain her dumbass at all?
>>720563841that's not a cam vs anarch thing, that's a difference between abrahm and lacroix as individuals, maybe toreador vs ventrue if you squint.
>>720554143rightoids aren't going to agree with that now, they just lost one of their most important shit stirrers to political violence.
>>720554143>kindred societyThe misanthropic social outcasts who hate the idea of identity and society thinks any action they do will make their situation better when every idea of conformity is vile to them... the real question that needs to be answered is why in a world when you hate yourself and have the ability to do any, killing yourself is never an option? It's a very feminine thing to do.>"I want to die">decide to not jump off a building>decide not to purchase a gun and blow your brains out to forward the anti-gun movement>instead drive your car at high speed into traffic and kill other people you don't care about while also failing to off yourself and continuing to prove mom and dad you are nothing more than a failureinstead of thinking the "world" is your problem and think of the people who raised you as the root of your problem. it is a better start, and you may actually find the real reason for your suffering>"oh no, how did I become so insufferable and miserible?">"I know, it was the person I have NEVER interacted with in my entire life"
>>720566756What the whole thing pretty much boils down to is that Brujah Elders hate that the Ventrue largely run the show in the Camarilla and that the culture of the thing is one of authority from above.If you squint it's just Athens vs Sparta again.
>>720566756Isaac is an awful example anyway. He has a thug that threatens you to present yourself to him (just like the Prince), demands Tribute, then has you do his gruntwork like everyone else. He's just better at hiding the iron fist in a satin glove. The only reason Isaac doesn't want to be Prince is because he only cares about Hollywood and doesn't want even a suggestion of someone above him in the pecking order.
>>720566824Nigger, what the FUCK are you talking about?
>>720566824yeah the fuck are you talking about
>>720554143>kills herNow what?
>>720566824Based Malk
>>720567037>>720567070it's simple. he's saying that if you're unhappy with how things are run you should just kill yourself, rather than take drastic measures to push for political change, because maybe (You)'re the problem.
>>720566960>is that BrujahWhich is why they shouldn't be taken seriously. They devolve to Infernalism if left unchecked for more than five minutes. They also turn into far worse dictators than the Ventrue if given real power. The only based Brujah are the pro-Camarilla ones, which Bloodlines sadly lacks.
>>720567180>If you want political change you should just kill yourself instead
>>720567180>I'm unhappy that pedofiles run free so instead of trying to fix the problem I should just remove myself from the system.That works. It's also the most defeatist cuck thing I've heard today. The mind of the schizo figured out the pros and cons of suicide.
>>720567205Ventrue propoganda. The Baali aren't real and if they were I bet they'd be really cool guys.A Cammie Brujah is pretty much just a guy who chooses to rebel against family instead of society. Vin Diesel would be pissed.
>>720567205Both Ventrue and Brujah are bunch of subhuman retards without proper enlightened Tzimisce guidance
>>720567293>>720567436I agree, it's retarded.
>>720567523Don't you have an inbred peasant you need to turn into an onahole somewhere?
>>720554649it actually doesn'tmost of the time it fails or completely backfires
>>720567614I'm a Dracul, you uncouth serf
>>720568316Don't you have an inbred peasant you need to impale somewhere?
>>720568316Every Tzimisce calls themselves a dragon while making a real-life version of C.H.U.D. You ain't special. Go back to your crack shack and let the real vampires talk.
>>720554143Wanna go out out, commie?I know which side is going to win.
>>720554143Imagine getting embraced at the wrong time and being stuck as a retarded college girl forever, absolutely horrifying
>>720568396Only on Thursdays
>>720560096>restoring cut content BAD
>>720568797It is you dumb fuck. Content gets cut for a reason
>>720554143"Based"
>>720554143*rapes you
>>720568457Brujah (perpetual edgy retards) and V*ntrue (undead kikes) arent real people and real humans to begin with, let alone real vampires
>>720554143I find it weird that commies push for this shit when every gun thing I've been to has been super right wing. I think there was one lefty with his dad at an applesneed once, where as everyone else was loudly /pol/ posting with me and when I go to the range the range jannies /pol/ post and before high power matches everyone /pol/ posts>>720566035>>720566106he apparently has a male "girlfriend"
>>720568690>Brujah Elder embraced in the Middle Ages>Once a High Clan>Paragon of the Olympic Ideal>Have to watch your clan devolve into frothing retardsMust suck
>>720569101Yeah, never happened.Also, Carthage was a satanic shithole that deserved to be EXTERMINATUS'D, and you freaks will NEVER get it back again
>>720568889>I have no personality and NEED to post so I'll just be contrarian
>>720560891I KICK ARSE FOR THE LORD
>>720569225Them being a High Clan was definitely a fluke, but he is right about one thing.The Brujah did host vampire sports competitions. Which was pretty based.
>>720569101>>Have to watch your clan devolve into frothing retardsI wonder. So clan flaw of being emotional retards didn't retroactively apply to old Brujah that predate its change?
>>720569063Communism in practice has almost always been a tool of edgy, ostracized intelligencia faggots. They can never produce revolution themselves, they just foster political instability of all kinds so they can take the reigns of whatever rebellion breaks out.An openly well armed population free to say and do whatever the fuck they want is anathema to the communist because they'll ironically almost never have a reason to rebel until the Government starts trying to take their guns or not let them say or do whatever the fuck they want.
>>720567705example that isn't cherrypicked?
>>720568797it's not restoring cut content. it's just extra noise being randomly added into the game. not everything the unofficial patch changes is restoring unused content, a lot of it is just random stuff someone wanted to change. there's nothing in the original game files showing that there was supposed to be extra noise playing in that area.
>>720569273
>>720569424Trujah arent real. You Dio Brando LARPers are just even more retarded version of Brujah that Ilyes hates even more than the main clan.
>>720569225>Ah the blood drinking Vampires are practicing SATANISM, save me Jesus!Tremere and Lasombra do the same shit all the time in the Camarilla and no one cares.
>>720569445>They can never produce revolution themselves, they just foster political instability of all kinds so they can take the reigns of whatever rebellion breaks out.And then some thug with animal cunning like Stalin waltzes in and simply takes over their entire rickety operation transforming it into yet another horrific autocratic regime. Hilarious.
>>720569516Me at the Hollywood graves
>>720565906MR. KIRK GET DOWN
>>720569262>devs leave out content theyve spent hours on for no reasonok lad
>>720569587Infernalist vermin deserve to be turned into tableware.
>>720569587>>720569796Also, Tremere are barely sentient animals so everything that they do is automatically wrong and moronic
>>720569587>Lasombra>CamarillaGTFO V5 troglodyte.
>>720569796>Tzimsce complaining about InfernalistsHey if you practice any form of Blood Sorcery, which Visicitude is, you're pretty much one step away from a Baali.
>>720554143that's what the fledgling does in the game
>>720569424it's a canonical clusterfuck. according to v20 brujah only embraced one vampire, and that was troile who would then diablerize him and effectively create the clan. true brujah don't come from the original founder.
>>720569938Cry about it harder. Besides there were Lasombra in the Camarilla before V5. Lasombea Antribru were one of the most popular clans in the tabletop because of course the theater kids want to play a Shadow Wizard without having to be Sabbat.
I wonder how often Elders get overtaken by Nostalgia and just walk around at night in full plate armor
>>720570137>Lasombea Antribru were one of the most popular clans in the tabletopEven if that's true, there's barely any of them in lore pre V5, and V5 lore should be called out and ostracized in all cases. I have also never seen a Lasombra PC that wasn't the worst.
>>720569972No, there is a difference between the Eldest mogging and trolling Kupala and using knowledge gained through that experience and doing some wacky rituals to appease some demonic vermin.Now crawl back to your caves or wherever you infernal pests are congregating. The Day of the Stake will be soon upon you!
>>720570009>according to v20 brujah only embraced one vampire, and that was troile who would then diablerize him and effectively create the clan. true brujah don't come from the original founder.I love how salty Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand makes people.
>>720570435I can't really take your moral high roading seriously when your clothing is literally made out of people.
>>720554143>me sowing>me reaping
>>720570562tr*mere aren't people
>>720570507>Dirty Secrets of the Black Handto this day I wonder if that book at all crossed an editor's table
>>720570009>one vampireas if there was only one in this timeframe eheheh
>>720570690Considering how a major plot point in it is "Vicissitude is a magical disease that we must destroy", but the stats for Chatterlings (the true black hand's slave mortals it kidnaps as children and raises in the underworld) has Appearance 4 (through Vicissitude)... I'm going to say no. It is however, very funny. And it gave us the Nagaraja. I also don't mind the Trujah. Having an ancient clan get usurped is fun, makes the Tremere and Gios feel less arbitrary.
i use the autoleveler
>>720561521I do find it interesting Ventrue Antediluvian was the only one confirmed to have legit died centuries ago without pomp.
I pick Toreador and I choose to ignore all of your petty boring political games and instead will focus on B art and degeneracy. Partying is the only way to pass the unlife.
>>720567705it actually does>whiskey rebellion led to jefferson getting rid of the tax>nigger riots in the 60s led to multiple civil rights bills getting passed>hippies rioting led to conscription endingnobody likes to talk about it because that just gives people ideas but it has worked plenty of times in the past. don't do it though violence is bad and illegal don't arrest me
I never understood the autism around vicissitude being automatically evil? Why cant I just use it for good, healing people's injuries and deformaties and generally helping both willing Cainite and Sethite society?>inb4 lameHey, its an rpg, I want to roleplay as a good-hearted Christian Tzimisce willing to help people and make everyone's lives or unlives better>inb4 those are SalubriNo, I want Tzimisce
>>720571337An appropriately boring demise for the boring founder of the boring clan
>>720571353ManipulationAppearancePerceptionSubterfugeFirearmsFinanceInvestigationSeduce enemiesBuy friendsShoot the Chinese
>>720564307>I don’t know what’s worse, that’s you’re a vampire or a papist
>>720571337It actually creates more plot holes than it solves. >>720571353
>>720571661What's the difference?
>>720561521#NotAllVentrue
>>720571434because vic is about body horror, infection is one of the common themes in body horror
How do you guys know where to spend your skill points?
>>720571793>Equipment: Torn but clean denim-and-leather outfit, brass knuckles (never used), BMW
>>720571793>B*WWhat member of ANY high clan would lower himself to the level of riding that garbage?Anarchs are truly repulsive
>>720571434you could if you don't mind the limitations. most of vicissitude's powers are more for causing harm.
>>720570507Is that the book that also made it so Vicesitude was an alien parasite that would eventually turn the Vampire into a weird Soulsucker or something?
>>720571434An example of that from the Dark Ages, but probably more cynical than what you want.
>>720566824i fuck a suzu
>>720572483General advice? When you get your clan, look at where your attribute points are. Using Brujah as an example, you'll have 2 points for Physical and 1 point for Mental. Pick 2 of the Physical attributes and 1 of the Mental attributes as your "main" attributes. Still using Brujah, if you pick Strength and Stamina, then you're going to be aiming for a combat role; if you aim for Strength or Stamina and Dexterity, a stealth option. Over in mental, you could take Perception for firearms (don't let it overlap with Strength), Intelligence for intimidation and research (for more skills), or wits for combat defense and hacking (the former if you're aiming for a combat role, the latter for a stealth role). Then, look at your Disciplines and determine which one(s) compliment your intended play style the most.If you have histories turned on, you can change how you want to play. Still using Brujah, if you opt to take the Informercial Huckster, you'd now have 2 points for Social and 1 point for Physical. You can choose to take Charisma and/or Appearance, or Manipulation, and RP as a persuasive/seductive Brujah instead, using Strength for melee combat if things turn sour, and using better haggling to purchase more blood bags to really abuse your Disciplines. And so on.Take more weight with Attributes than Abilities for determining how you're going to play.
>>720573414Yes. It was a book about a super secret sect and a bunch of schitzolore related to it. It was largely panned upon release but hey, it did give us the Nagaraja.>>720571434Nobody who wants to play muh sweet gud boi Tzimisce can ever get a satisfactory answer as to why a Tzimisce would embrace their character in the first place.
>>720564081Yes, yes... Now kiss the cross
>>720554143if the cammies didnt exist you'd have to invent them, just to have a retard containment chamber for all of the Machiavelli-dick riding social climbers. Do YOU want a bunch of ventrues hanging around with you, or would you prefer them up in a penthouse somewhere in a big circle jerk of backstabbing?the thing little college girl commie would never admit to herself is that the anarchs and the cammies are seperate hands of the same entity. they basically follow the same rules for the same reasons (namely it makes sense from a survival standpoint), its just that one is a club for people that were popular in high school, and one is for the people that hated the popular kids. The sabbat are the ones you have to worry about, because they see kindred being outnumbered by kine 100,000 to 1 and go "nah we'd win, just throw more shovelheads at it"
>>720574678Are histories from a mod or are they part of the plus patch?
>>720560593stop mansplaining chud, you're undoing my years of therapy!
>>720576085plus patch but unlike a lot of the "Restored" content, they're actually a real thing. You can enable them manually if you know what you're doing.
>>720560769sorry to burst your bubble, but most "anarchists" are just disenfranchised tyrants.
>>720576137No, the actual Brujah response would be>*chimp noises* AWOOGA BOOGA *throws dumpster in your cardinal direction*
>>720554143I blurt out>PRAXIS!as I stake her, then haul her paralyzed corpse out for a final sunrise.
>>720570237>elders will occasionally just forget to do the little subconscious movements that separate a living being from a magically animated corpse, so when they're not actively doing anything or are deep in thought they just kind of shut down, to the point of looking like statues>this fact combined with this post, sets up the old "decorative armor standing in a hall turns its helmet to watch someone pass" gag you see in old cartoonsfucking ship it.
>>720576085Histories are in the vanilla game but disabled by default. You can enable them with the console command vchar_edit_histories 1. The plus patch adds in a new "Homosexual" history though and might make other changes.
>>720560593city-wide vinculum?
>>720554143I dunno, the last time someone tried that, the jews got a country out of it.Martyr strats are just too OP
This is just true.The only real disagreement is who gets to wield political violence and whom to aim it at.
>>720576782violence is sort of like antibiotics. you have to follow through all the way.
>>720574678so if im playing tremere i should pick 2 mental skills and 1 physical skill and build up from there?
>>720577220You should use 3 physical traits, and dump it all in the melee, as it would imply more muscle mass and thus make for a better furniture material, because thats the only thing the usurping kikes are good at.
>>720564675But they didn't.The Nosferatu did, by negligence.
>>720577220That's the most straightforward way to do things. Perception, Wits, and Stamina would help you build up a good gunman, especially if you focus on Auspex. Meanwhile Perception, Wits, and Dexterity with Dominate makes it easier to play a stealth role, and Intelligence, Wits, and Strength lets you go the intimidation route while using Thaumaturgy for ranged options when approaching with your fire axe/brush hook. After a few runs you'll have a finger on what works for you, and what doesn't, and you can make informed decisions on your own.
>>720555896Bet you're pretty embarrassed you had to prove her point like that.
>>720571793>No streetwise
>>720577693because he's a poser, dur.
>>720572483A lot of skills don't matter much. Sneaking, inspection, haggle, intimidate, seduction, and maybe even hacking if you know the passwords or don't care about looking them up. There's also a ton of free skill points from books, and it's usually cheap to get 1-2 cheap levels even in stuff you don't care much about to get the 3rd free from a book. So generally you pick melee or ranged and pump that, stockpile enough extra points to get levels in security or research when you run into a situation where you want it, and pick a discipline or two to work on over time.
>>720565151Someone post the tzimisce simp chair, to remind this soul of his place in the relationship.
>>720578261
>>720554143Sure but you got to understand it goes both ways. Now we have to deal with protests and crying because Hamas's political violence got punished.
>>720578557Me on the right disappointed that she put my head at the top instead of in the middle of the seat
this dude the goat
>>720564307You're not fooling me, demon..
>>720578907>"You're not fooling me, demon.">Says this to people that hate d*mons even more than mortals doWhy are hunters like this? Why must they be more mentally deranged and retarded than fishmalks?
>>720577191They can mutate and get immune to your or any method of detection eventually, and start to use propaganda.Propaganda is also very, very powerful.It could be used for good for once, but the people of good are too wary of it.
>>720565906I'm sorry, I can't say that to her face.I was quite busy staring at her tits.
>>720554143BLAST HER WITH PISS
I tank my humanity to 3 ASAP. Frenzying during a boss fight is just too powerful. I also like having all of the nice dialogue options removed so that way I don't feel like a huge faggot when talking to people.
>>720579264But I thought they were too small? How did you even notice them?
>>720554143I'll start with her
>>720579103>Even considerint what a v*mpire says or thinks Yeah, no. God told me personally (in a dream) to destroy all his enemies. t. High True Faith>>720579103
>>720565906Ugh? Uhh guess i like commies now wtf
>>720554143>*bang*
>>720566350Who is the most well adjust Tzimisce in the setting? As in the least crazy.
>>720568889Sometimes that reason is "shit we are running out of time and can't put everything in".
>>720579865Uhm, friend, have you ever considered that dreams aren't really a good source of information, especially considering how demons can deceive you with such trickery and the Church warns us about it?Please calm down and reconsider.
>>720580302DraculaI don't think that's even a joke
>>720580321says the soulsucker
>>720580302Dracula, some Jap in Tokyo, Lambach Ruthven, some of the Old Clan, some Orthodox Christian Tzimisce that refuse to use both Vicissitude and Koldunism.
>>720580509No usurpers allowed, please
>>720580515>some Jap in Tokyohow does that happen?isn't Japan Kuei-Jin Territory?
>>720554143I agree, the only good leech is a dead leech.
>>720580509Who are you to allow yourself to blemish the name of the unicorns, you repulsive larva of a foul brood. Your blood is not even worth drinking, only being spilled in the gutter, you wretched abomination, you vile cadaver, you repulsive atrocity! I would stake you and let the sun obliterate you, but I dont want to insult creation by allowing sunshine to rise above such a repulsive manure such as yourself.
>>720580896Andrei mad, lol
>>720580321>Good, keep it talking. We're sending a team your way.
WoD has such cool lore, it's a shame it isn't more popular
>>720554143>>>/pol/
>>720581904Because everything that uses that lore is shit except for the original Bloodlines.
>>720581904WoD lore is a mess, there's a reason WW scrapped the whole thing in the 2000s and replaced all the gamelines with new lore.
Anyone who says political violence doesn't achieve anything hasnt read a single page of human history.
>>720581881Oh sure, go on, kill the kindhearted, helping and faithful ones. God forbid, you'll do something actually useful for mankind for once and slay sabbat lunatics or tr*m*r* kikery
>>720582149Its only messy for splattards. Besides only VtM lore matters in any way. Furries and satanists get the rope.
>>720560096Wesp unironically sees himself as an official dev of the game, same as the original team
>>720582584Most of the current Salubri are Sabbat anon.The bloodline has more reason to hate the Cammies than it does Sabbat
>>720582584>I'm one of the good demons, totally not like the rest!You can try that with godless hunters. We follow the testament of Leopold here
>>720567705Except when you guys do it. Isn't it? Glowie kun? :)
>>720582831Yet another saddening result of the Tremere (more like Tumor) kikery. Damn I hate those fucking tumors of mankind. Why wont everyone unite to mass-exterminate those faggots?
>>720554143Literally when?We're in this mess because some one killed someone thousands of years ago! We're only hiding because others COULDN'T stop killing others and got caught by the Kine! And if you haven't noticed the Second Inquisition killed a LOT of Kindred a few years ago and all that's done is seemingly kicked off some broken version of Gehenna.
Yes, and ill start by murdering everyone i do not like, starting with this bitch.
>>720554143A lot of people like violence, the problem is that once you put that option on the table it's never leaving until one the sides is dead, and it may very well be your side that ends up 6 feet under.You think you are hot shit and then a hillbilly kills you with a moonshine molotov.
>>720579450>unironically playing a ToreadorBASED
>>720583893uhhh i'm GANGREL GANG you fucker??
>>720579450ngl asshole mode is pretty cool. I wish more game's dialogue systems reflected things like how VtM does with humanity.
>>720584132>I'm a faggotwe know
>>720584215how'd you get to the bedroom?
>>720584132>furfag
>>720554143>listening to 'brujah' usurper dummies who insult true brujah >listening to to neanderthals who use potence >Instead of the true brujah discipline; temporis the control of time.ISHYGDDT dumb bitch needs to get gang raped and given the deep long soul succc. God forbid you fuck up the diablerie tho and shes stuck in your mind causing you to randomly frenzy or say/do stupid shit at the worst possible time.
>>720584396>attending Ukraine/Russia peace conference>suddenly Damsel overwhelms your psyche and you scream, "THE HOLODOMOR NEVER HAPPENED BUT IT SHOULD HAVE!!!"
>>720583893Is the Toreador the best clan in the game?Social skills for extra exp and bot auspex and celerity for firearms.
>>720584396My headcanon ( and some releasing the soul rituals and stuff implies this) is that soul never really gets destroyed with the diablerie, but lies deep within your blood.Which means that no matter the passage of time, there will always be a risk of you becoming a damsel at least for a moment.
>>720561957They were mages once. Not her specifically, she's too young.
>>720584494*REEE FORGIVE ME, A DUMB BITCH I GAVE THE SOUL SUCCC TO AND ACCIDENTALLY BOTCHED CRAWLED OUT OF HER HOLE. COULD YOU PLEASE BASH MY HEAD INTO NEAT TOPOR PLEASE AND THANK YOU KINDlY'
>>720584649Every clan is the best clan for each person's unique approach. There are people who VASTLY overreact to Golden Temple and Ming/Tower and Sheriff when they can all be handled easily by any properly trained neonate.
>>720585038>A whiny Californian commie retard forever lives within youGrim
>>720585038Its not destroyed fully so to speak, its kept in a book in your mind. Unless you botch then they can pop out, and if you really botch it they can randomly control you for awhile. You dominate the persons soul and control it.its also far far hotter to keep them stuck in your mind tied up and strapped down suffering in personal hell you created just for them till your final death
>>720584132>not dropping to 2 HumanityI know you yiffniggers are bad at math, but WOW!
Which clan has the coolest powers?
>>720586129Tzims and Trujahs
>>720554143Why is Damsel so cute?
>>720559809It actually wouldCommunism does not work IRL because nothing is actually free and things cost money/labor to produceOnce you are a vampire though the ONLY resource you will ever need - blood - is now plentiful and costs nothing
>>720575645>The sabbat are the ones you have to worry about, because they see kindred being outnumbered by kine 100,000 to 1 and go "nah we'd win, just throw more shovelheads at it"Then they cause enough of a ruckus for a few Antediluvians to wake up and everyone loses.
>>720586680tsundere commie bimbo
>DO NOT AWAKE! DO NOT AWAKE THE ANCIENT!
>>720586274>the two biggest fags of the true black hand booklol, lmao>>720586129You posted it.
>>720554143All vampires deserve death!
>>720586129Ventrue. Masters of mindfuck + insanely tough is a kino combo.
>>720585224The hotel is also shit.You can't convince me that fighting the same 4 enemy types for an hour is fun.
Anyone got the AI webms of Jeanette and Damsel stripping, made with the in-game models/graphics?
>>720587565>We have vamps can meld flesh and bones, stop time, turn into everything they want and weaponize shadows>I know, I'll pick the lame jew clanFuck off
>>720587743Damsel's was posted ITT
>>720587021Vampires have a master/servant relationship built in just by the means of Generation. There's always someone higher on the totem pole you'll have to serve, and they can never age out, they've had more time to strengthen their Disciplines and the smart ones will enact plans that can take years or even decades to play out.>bloodAnd territory, information, servants including Ghouls, etc. None of this is free, it's all important to have, and even blood can't be obtained simply. Breaking the Masquerade at best means a run-in with one of the various Hunter organizations.
>>720588105Cheers
>>720588092People like what people like.I'm a magicfag so I tend to prefer disciplines like Thaumaturgy and Obtenebration
where are her organsif she's so cold why doesn't she wear a jacket
>>720555896based tzimisce
>>720588397golem get ye gone
>"should we fix all the bugs in our game?">"nah let's just add funny maymays into the scripting"
>>720588502OY VEY
>>720588502SOVL
>>720588502Every time I think I couldn't love this game any more than I already do...
>>720588397Organs are located in the boobs
>>720588397I really appreciate how easy it was for me to get bamboozled by Heather when I was a horny teen. Troika knew their audience. They didn't try to make me feel guilty by having some mulatto cripple they/them monologue at me. They made me feel like a monster for indulging in my carnal weakness.
>>720588227this is why golcondmaxxing is the only correct strategy.
>>720589181>Therese is bigger than Jeanette
>>720554143Sure, workers are opressed, viva la revolucion etc, wanna fuck?
>>720567705If enough violence is used, there will be nothing left to backfire.
AAAAAHH GIVE ME REAL LIFE PROTEAN I WANNA GO WAR FORM I JUST WANNA GO DOWN TO THE PIGGLY-WIGGLY AND TEAR UP THE AISLES AS REVENGE FOR NOT HAVING DINO NUGGETS IN STOCK REEEEEEEEEEEE
paizuri with damsel while she curses at you
>>720569449Assassination of Julius Caesar massively backfired.
>>720589187Neonate.....You must inconnumax.
>>720589759It's really hard to kill every single one of your enemies before they kill you.
>>720589181Venus is a big girl
I have never heard of anyone on /v/ getting Brujah from the character creation wizard.
>>720590113/v/ is a malk board
are there ayylmaos in wod?
>>720588092>his brain is too smooth to realize how much fun stuff you can do with mind control.
>>7205902514chan is overall Malk, /v/ is proably Tremere
>>720590113Highest probability on /v/: Malk (actual schizos), Tremere (actual psychopaths)High probability: Gangrel (loners), Nosferatu (gooners)Average probability: Ventrue (underage newfag)Low probability: Tremere (normalfag)Lowest probability: Brujah (actual badass)
>>720590454sorta, but I think outside of Changeling the Los,t none are proper Greys, and even that might just be the True Fae fucking with humans.
>>720589992Anything worthwhile has never been easy. And if you get rekt by some fucking scrubs, you didn't use enough violence in the first place.
>>720554143She didn't say that.
>>720587219Get the magic space laser
>>720554143*PLAP PLAP PLAP*
Malkavian is just so fucking kino, bros...https://youtu.be/eusmovoEA_k?list=RDeusmovoEA_k&t=191
>>720554143Communism doesn't even work so nothing would improve.
>>720587743Any interest in Pisha or Venus?
>>720567705Violence works when it's directed at people in power and used as a tool for revolution.
>>720581881>Spoiler That's a lore thing, right?
>>720591516Good Lord almighty
>>720554143>your response?whether you like it or not but that's incorrect as the Nigger lives matter riots did not improve society, it only spread hatred and violence towards both blacks and whites
>>720591516MAKE ONE WITH PISHA I BEG YOU
>>720569516Father Ted?
>>720591663Second Inquisition.
>>720554143It's a good way to tear down the present society, but offers no solutions or ground work for the following order you plan to replace it with.Cunt.
>>720591297What have I done wrong in my life to not end up as a ghoul to some big tittied malk bitch?
>>720591896https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1757806045016949.mp4
>>720554143Kindred don't have a society. We literally copied everything from humanity. We are just magically cursed humans because Cain is a bitch that won't apologize to God and we have a literal chance of being condemned to Hell.
>>720592745
>>720590454In the /x/ sense (they rebelled against God).
>>720592785
>>720592785big G doesn't care even if he did apologize
>>720554143She is correct and mortals need to stop comparing millennia old vampire politics with their 100 year old Human shit.
>>720592745>Pisha will never eat your meatWHY EVEN LIIIIIIIIVE?!t. Kraut
>>720592785>We>we>weAny more of this and I think you'd be crying in french but anyway you and your kind have to go and stay go.
>>720592745I know I shouldn't stick my dick in that... however
>>720567705Worked in WW2
>>720591663Society of Leopold logo, the original one and not the V5 crap. You know Bach and all his goons? They work for them. They're what remains of the original inquisition from 400 years ago. Random nobodies hunt shitter vampires while the society goes after the big fish (not limited to vampires, they hunt everything if it catches their eye)
>>720592825>>720592954>>720593128>>720593237>>720593313I may as well post Venus since I already made it.https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1757807026547022.mp4
>>720593947Where's the gif thread for these?
>>720593947post the rest, i know there's one of jeanette and one of damsel. please.
Give it to me straight. Is there any hope at all for Bloodlines 2 being good?
>>720593947Gib some pointers on how to make these pls
bros i fucked upturns out acting like a monster makes one become a monster...
>>720594224>>>/gif/29450992I only post there to link them here though.>>720594536Fine I'll post them in the gif thread>>720594892Your going to need Comfyui, then run an image of your choice through Wan 2.2. Tutorials:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74Cq9Ip2ikhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVDKYwt-DBg
>>720577450How? Of all the clans they're the ones who stay hidden the most.
>>720596285Schrecknet got hacked by glowies
How can I make VtM harder? The game is too easy.
>>720592683>Drinking Malk bloodYou will be posting on /x/ like a natural born schizo within ten minutes
>>720592785>we
>>720554143She is based.Left is best.
>>720570679200 years from now you will die at the hands of my conspiracy.
>>720596482Sending in the inquisitorial strike team, let’s show those abominations who’s the boss of this gym.
>>720597148FUCK YOU
>>720567705>t. defeatist glowie pajeet cocksuckerThe absolute state.
>>720593512>they hunt everything if it catches their eyeEven mages? Kinda hard to fight someone when you can't really use anything to find them and even if you try it's not gonna be easy
>>720589504The image isn't to scale. It's just showing their silhouettes.
>>720595517>She goes to the phone >cast Hysteria on her>I am no longer hereSometimes the Malk life is just too easy.
>>720589181>be born with a body build for sinning and sex>become a hunterLiterally only Venus kind of beats her, and that's more down to preference.
>>720596990There's a "Bloodlines Extreme" mod that is supposed to make the game harder. Otherwise you could try something simpler like not spending any XP except for what you need to at the start, or not buying anything from vendors.
>>720589181cute petite samantha
>>720593947Cooming!
>>720589181Venus was her name, and now she's locked in my sex dungeon.
>>720598071this bitch REEKS of fish
>>720601486Boris...
Why hasn't anyone leaked screenshots of Bloodlines 2 damsel yet?
>>720602159Maybe they threw her away along with Elif
>>720602554No, she's definitely in the game. She's apparently located in The Jungle (Seattle homeless encampment near the overpass, from the Hardsuit version).
What's the Camarillla tax policy?
>>720588915I liked repeatedly enraging her by using her real name
>>720603258But then she won't send you her shitty love poems
What's the difference between a bitch and a cunt?Damsel and Velvet.
>>720604391oh man, I forgot about thosehow embarrassing for her
>>720605231RudeShe was pouring her heart on those
I hope 2 has a hot lady manipulate me
>>720605962Hot women are verboten
>>720554143inhuman beasts must die
I have True Faith 10
hey what political stance is everyone is a fuck, fuck this shit return to monke
>>720607829Gangrel
>>720607204What happens if a vampire has true faith? Do they spontaneously combust?
>>720554143I mean...yeah? You're a fucking vampire dude. Your soul is gone. Literally the only reason you even keep any morals is because if you don't you turn into an animal.
>>720608143No, vampires (very, very rarely can have true faith)
>>720554143I agree *kills her*
Hypothetically speaking can a vampire have faith in Jesus and be saved or are they spiritually fucked?
>>720610064Not sure about salvation but there are a sect of Lasombra who are actually religious and not just larping as catholics for the power of the church
>>720610126>Lasombra who are actually religious and not just larping as catholics for the power of the churchUndead worshipping (mocking) Jesus? The hunt is on
>>720610064Every vampire is subjected to Caine, which means no vampire can be forgiven until Caine is forgiven, and he evidently has no desire to apologize for inventing the first melee combat build on the server.
>>720607204>Obliterates every supernatural creature in a 2 mile radious just by existing
what even is "soul"?
>>720567705>the american revolution
>>720610693Grout's mansion is so kino. The tower walk is wonderful.
>>720610726*cracks open beer* let me tell you about the french
>>720554143>acceptable toolKindred society is nothing but fucking violence. The anarchs have an objectively good point about the nature of the Jyhad, as well. Vampiric society is the worst pyramid scheme in existence and the only way to get out of it is to murder your way to the top. The whole movement started because elder vampires were throwing their childre into fucking meatgrinders to save themselves during the inquisition.The question has never been "is political violence a necessity". This is a society of predatory monsters. Its a question of whether the Anarch vision or the Camarilla vision is the superior choice for Kindred.Damsel is fucking retarded but thats every Brujah ever. Fuckers can't even be play anarchists right.
>>720610749French Revolution VtM game when?
>>720610858Okay first off, the TRUE Brujah are a nation of their own. They are philosopher kings, they are poet warriors, they are wandering skalds. Don't you fucking dare put down the greatness of REAL, HARD-WORKING BRUJAH LIKE THAT EVER AGAIN YOU SACK OF SHIT, OR I'M GOING TO SHOVE MY FOOT SO FAR UP YOUR FUCKING ASS YOU'RE GOING TO TASTE THE DOGSHIT I STEPPED IN TO GET TO YOUR CRACKHOUSE-FILLED DAGO-INFESTED RUN DOWN PIECE OF SHIT GHETTO YOU HAVE THE SHEER AUDACITY TO CALL A NEIGHBORHOOD
>>720554143Kindred society will improve the moment it stops existing. Vampires should fight with eachother as often as possible. Peace between individual is for the weak, total war is the only solution...
>>720607829monkeys have led to this society...
>>720604391
>>720607204At that point you're the Jesus equivalent.
>>720610064Yes, they can. Unfortunately, it's also the society where the psychopaths thrive, so the kind, faithful Christian vamps usually get kiked (like Salubri and Cappadocians).
