I don't understand anything the games seem so different from each other and there's Medieval Warhammer and 40K Warhammer but they are not tied?And i checked and most medieval Warhammer are strategy, phone games or american football games? Is there no good medieval warhammer?And what about the 40k ones? Which are the loved popular warhammer 40k games? The franchise seems confusing but if stupid gay sluts like Henry Cavil can get into it i guess it must not be that complex.
Fantasy came first, 40K exists as what if Fantasy but 40,000 years in the future. You pick a faction you like the looks of, then learn their lore/cvollect their minis, play games where they are the main characters. Fair wearning, as Space Marines sell more minis than the rest of the factions combined, they also have more lore and games dedicated to them than the rest of the factions combined.
Dawn of War 1 and it's expansions.
>>720877103>Is there no good medieval warhammer?I suppose the question there is what do you consider a "good game"If you like four person co-op melee/shooters Vermintide is a good choice for a classic warhammer game.GW killed off Warhammer Fantasy, but then the success of Total War Warhammer and the Vermintide games got a lot of people into the original setting.The franchise itself is pretty easy to understand, especially 40k. Everyone hates each other and are fighting about it. The story doesn't really matter and you can interact with it at your leisure. Warhammer Fantasy has some more nuance (and is more interesting) but largely boils down to similar feelings.
>>720877405>they also have more lore and games dedicated to them than the rest of the factions combined.That's a shame becuase from what i've seen 99% of 40k games are all Space Marines, save for stuff like Rogue Trader
>>720877103>Is there no good medieval warhammer?VermintideTotal War Warhammer>And what about the 40k ones? Which are the loved popular warhammer 40k games?Dawn of War, especially with the remasterSpace Marine 1 and 2Mechanicus
>>720877531Even Rogue Trader has a space marine companion npc. Dark Heresy might be the first game other than Mechanicus where the poster boys don't appear at all.
fantasy is still the better of the two imoeven after being neglected for years and GW trying to end it
>>720877845Oh and Hired Gun, I don't think any show up in Hired Gun
>>720877865This is true-factual because fantasy has the skaven, yes yes.
>>720877743>>720877865But then medieval Warhammer onlyhas two games worth playing? Hasn't the franchise existed for over 20 years?
>>72087786528mm rank and flank is kind of gay, even worse with individual model removal.
>>720877913are they in Darktide?
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>>720877103>there's Medieval Warhammer and 40K Warhammer40k is the only one worth getting into because its Tolkien fantasy in space while normal Warhammer is "we have LoTR at home".
>>720877978What kind of a fucking retarded post is this? There's franchises out there like Lord of the Rings, Dune and Star Wars and those don't have more good games either.
>>720878058Not yet, but I think a traitor legion member will eventually show up as a level boss.
>>720878118>its Tolkien fantasy in spaceDo 40kids are really this retarded?
>>720877408Except Winter Assault. WA is fucking garbage.
>>720878332yes
>>720878224>There's franchises out there like Lord of the Rings, Dune and Star Wars and those don't have more good games either.What are you talking about there are like 20 lord of the ring games, 20 star wars games, and Dune only got popular because of Timothy Zendaya movie.
>>720878332Space Marines are human knightsOrks are fucking Orcs.Eldar are space elves.Nekron are undead robits.Are YOU really this retarded?
>>720878587Yeah, there are a fuckton of Warhammer games too. You're missing the operative part: worth playing.
>>720877103Find a faction you like based on how they lookLook up a video on their basic lore and explore some of their characters
>>720877103Imperium bad but not really, aliens and demons bad but for real, that's the gist of it.
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>>720877103here's how to get into 40k>go to warhammer dot com >look up the miniatures from the different factions that GW sells (that's right you fags, no matter how many mental gymnastics you do in your head, the table top is what keeps GW and this franchise alive)>find a faction that you think looks cool as shit>if you like table top/war games then might as well buy some minis and get to painting and meet people irl to play with>not a fan of minis? look up if there's any 40k video games that feature the faction you liked the looks of and play that>no video games? buy/pirate one of the many books that feature the faction that interests you. There is no real starting point, there's around 30 years worth of stories written by many authors that have come and gone. You learn to connect the dots and make sense of the conflict at large eventually>''what if i'm a manchild that hates reading?''>then look up lore videos on youtube, there's hundreds of them. Be warned that if you've reached this point you cannot even be considered a franchise secondary anymore, you are worse than that, you are likely a tertiary by this point
What is so fucking hard about just picking whatever the fuck interests you at the moment? You can do the same with literally any other franchise of games because the story doesn't matter.
>>720879215>>not a fan of minis?You guys seriously buy toys and play with them?What are you, women with funkopops? how pathetic.
>>720879215>find minis you like>print out picture>cut out and put on paper base>save thousands of dollarsIt's that easy.
>>720879297>You guys seriously buy toys and play with them?yes, we use nippers to cut them from their sprues and pose them then glue them and paint them in pretty colours too. what are you going to do about it faggot, cry?
>>720879365Sometimes we pose and paint the sprues themselves. All glory to The Silent King!
>>720878614Even orks have gen times more character than anything tolkien ever wrote.
>>720879365>>720879490And you look like this?
>>720879490>GW be like, 300$ + tip + tariffs please
>>720879297it's a full fledged table top anon, not some toys to play make-believe
>>720879297Yeah, I honestly can't take a grown man seriously who pushes around these little GI Joes and makes pew pew noises to go along with it.I'm sure some people say the same thing about video games but to me there is a difference and holy fuck it's a big one.
>>720879532Nah, Sir Henry plays Custodes.
>>720879759What's the dif?
Is Rogue Trader good? I need a modern CRPG to come down from the high of DOS2.
Is that true most women that play w40k tabletop are drawn to Tyranids?
>>720877103The Space Marines arguably the most popular faction are a group of super soldiers hell bent on enacting their will in killing all alien life forms leaving Humans as the one true master race (They look the other way for Eldar Pussy, because they look similar enough to them and they did them a massive solid in reviving Guiliman) Their leader "The god king to mankind" during an attempt to circumvent Warp travel (imagine the Nether from Minecraft in how distance works there, only add omega fuck demon rape) was betrayed by one of his sons (The Primarchs) and was not only near crippled, but the Web way (said attempted alternative to using the Warp) ended up failing. The webway is controlled by the Golden throne, it was about to basically self destruct, and take all of mankind with it, so the emperor sits on it and uses his near limitless psychic power to contain it. He now permanently rests their with life support equipment and a thousand psykers needing to be sacrificed to him DAILY to keep him alive. While a shit situation, it did have one upside in that the Emperors near god like psychic energy ended up sending out a signal from the warp allowing for travel through it to be done much easier as they now had a point of interest to work from while traveling in there. After that shit show there was no real leaders so the church took over, and so much time passed the emperor became a literal god in their eyes, with said religious fuckery entailing they commited shenanigans and started "interpreting his will" while he was catatonic on the throne. The Space Marines are on salty terms with the Inquisitors (church) because they know for a fact he's not a god because their leader Guiliman was alive at the time of the incident to know it (Primarchs live fuck long lives) but their in charge so what they say goes. That's a VERY basic understanding needed to play the Space Marine games. Oh and the Thrones life-support is slowly failing.
>there will never be a miniseries in a mockumentary style of a tyranid invasion from beginning to end>start with genestealer landing on a planet and breeding with the local population and inserting hybrid offspring into positions where they can sabotage defenses and cause societal upheaval >show how the incoming hive fleet fucks with psykers, communications outside of the system, the fear settling into the population>hive fleet and the ways they poison and terraform the environment with spore bombings>tiny microscopic spores that poisons people as they breathe and burns open wounds>the zillions of nids, land, sky, sea, all swarming >genestealer cult attacking from within>show how hopeless it is with all the gore needed >bugs eating people, exploding them, melting them, crushing them>all 8 space marine reinforcements have been psychically torn apart and eaten by smaller kids>nids dragging themselves to the digestive pools>hive ships drinking through the capillary towers I want to watch this shit
>>720879915Does Sir Henry Motherfucker enjoy his lack of model variety for those 2+ hits?
>>720879297Tabletop wargaming is a man's hobby, if you think that's for kids, then you have some serious self reflection to do since you play the virtual equivalent of a child's toy.
>>720880303The virtual equivalent actually has cinematic scenes of the character shooting things.When you play with your toys you literally play imagination time and go "pew pew! ha! i shot you in my imagination!"
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>>720879998are you for real dude?a tabletop game has a clear and defined set of rules and codes of play. And in the case of wargames like 40k there's other components needed like measuring tapes, dice and sheets to keep track of what's happening. Games can usually last on average 2 to 3 hours.make-believe is when you buy your daughter a doll house and play house with her to humor your child for an hour
>>720880367>it's for adults because it imagines for me! :DWarhammer tabletop is just chess with extra rules and unique pieces, sorry you're too infantile to see that.
I don't clean my mold lines or sprue bits.
>>720877405>Fantasy set in the future>There's no SkavenNo buy
>>720880446Hrud, before GW got antsy about 40k not being Fantasy in space. Those fuckers in the timeline over the way are living good.
>>720880446Skaven niches are already divided among the present factions. Mostly Imperium, funnily enough.Except furfaggotry. There really isn't a furry 40K faction yet.
>>720880041yes, there's something about Tyranids that attract girls for some reasoni think it has to do with the fact that stuff like marines are obviously made for male players since the fluff of the marines is something that resonates with men. Tyranids are pretty straight forward and neutral in that regard since they are just beasts with no bigger purpose other than just eat living things
>>>/tg/fuck off teritary
>>720880689Nids attract weird girls who imagine being some Genestealer's broodmother birthing deformed hybrids
>>720880670Not even a furfaggot I just love the scheming little fucks and that they're always technologically ahead despite being borderline retarded>Captcha GAYVV2
>>720880845>be skaven>do line of warp dust>"doomwheel! yes!"I love those schizo fucks
>>720878614>Space Marines are human knightsNope>Orks are fucking Orcs.>Eldar are space elves.And completely unrelated to Tolkien orcs and elves.>Nekron are undead robits.And where is undead robots in Tolkien legendarium?
>>720879297>What are you, women with funkopops? Add here "Moba player mentality"
>>720880303>Tabletop wargaming is a man's hobbyOkay, but how tabletop autobattler is related to wargaming?
>>720881067Anon put it badly, but what he means is that most fantasy post-tolkien is heavily inspired by tolkien's worldbuilding, so elves, orcs and dwarves tend to just be transplanted into new settings with minor tweaks. 40k is fantasy with a sci-fi spin, but if it's a straight copy of anything, it's Dune more than anything else.
>>720880845There's nothing stopping you 3d printing some shit and fluffing it as such though
>>720881301Which army rules should they use though? Ork?
>>720881219>but what he means is that most fantasy post-tolkien is heavily inspired by tolkien's worldbuilding,It's barely inspired by Tolkien's worldbuilding outside of several most used attributes simply because Tolkien was devouted catholic, not capeshit fan (D&D and Pathfinder)l, not punk-rock anarchist (40k)
>>720881582Like I said, transplanted with tweaks, to make them legally distinct of course, but you can see where the inspiration came from.
>>720877405>40K exists as what if Fantasy but 40,000 years in the futureThat's a fucking lie. 40k is meant to be set in our world, 40,000 years in the future. Fantasy is an alien planet in an alien dimension
>>720881759I don't think he meant that literally.
>>720881582Tolkien literally created orcs and elves. Before Tolkien, "orc" and "elf" were just generic folklore terms that could refer to any mythical creature. If you hear "orc" and think an ugly green barbarian with a Cockney accent, or "elf" and think a slender pointy-eared Aryan, you owe that to Tolkien
>>720881935Not sure about orcs, but elves were just fairy-esque creatures and messengers of the gods in norse folklore, pretty sure there's some contention to that whole thing since the translations were done by a catholic centuries later and much of it may have just been butchered from the source material or made up.
What if I like nids because I like media where humans are fucked up by monsters? Hoards of zombies, giant bugs, aliens that vastly outtech humans like War of the Worlds. There are a handful of manga that has monsters tearing apart everyone on the planet.
>>720877103start with space marine 1
>>720877103play rogue trader it actually teaches you about the lore and universe and it isn't primarily marine wank like the dow games and the space marine games
>>720883892Nah, you start with DoW so the Blood Raven cameo lands
>>720881935>Tolkien>green barbarian with a Cockney accent,Okay lol
>>720884053blood ravens are a meme nostalgia chapter
>>720884334>memeYou are irony poisoned.
>>720877103Literally 2/3rds of my Chapter knowledge is due to my fashion autism in Space Marine 2. I'd autistically research Chapter heraldry, models, fan concepts etc. just to make sure I was as close to lore accurate as possible. Now I'm hyper aware of so many esoteric random Chapters that even my long-term 40K fan friends aren't aware of.
>>720879830>there is a difference and holy fuck it's a big oneThere isn't, you're just a faggot.
I'd say Dawn of War is a fantastic entry point into the franchise if you want to have fun but the problem is that Dawn of War 1 was a product of its time and no longer really represents 40k, especially with its over the top depiction of everything. I'd say DoW2 is a lot closer to what 40k is. It's grim and serious and lacking in the hammy and cheesy presentation of 1.The same could be said of Warhammer Fantasy where everything up to 4th ed was silly then 7th edition happened and now everything is grimdark.Obligatory videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGiNE-FmrLM
>start with dow>no start with darktide>no start with sm2start by picking up a paintbrush and a model and if you don't enjoy that 40k isn't for you
>>720879532zamn...
To this day, DoW1 still has some of the best voice acting in vidyahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilSDgI1JONw
>>720877103By playing the tabletop. There's no other reason to "get into" the franchise as the rest of it is just really bad clones of other games. No warhammer video game is above a 3/10 in quality and even the tabletop itself is a beer and pretzel parody of real tabletop games. It's just a brand. You are looking to "get into" a brand.
>>720886226I'm not playing an extortionate, shit tabletop where it's most diehard fans tell you to 3D print everything, and also deal with the reality that nobody who would ever dare enter a GW store showers.
>>720885541>the orkz insisted on dying!That about sums them up
play necromunda.hired gun is a better game than space marine 2 and thats including all the jank
>>720880019Ehh, DivOS2 is like doing crystal meth, no CRPG is going to feel good to you ever again
>>720887150>I'm not playing an extortionate, shit tabletopThen go play real video games instead of goyslop made to expand a brand so you can fit in with some group of retards
>>720887661>hired gun is a better game than space marine 2 and thats including all the jank
>>720879215>but what if I'm a "manchild" that doesn't like collecting toys and playing with themLMAOING at your cope
>>720877103You made this thread multiple times already.
>>720887661Not really, it's too samey. Fun for an hour or two though, worth checking out
>>720888364If you like your cRPGs full of Disney quips and set in a Disney tier world that doesn't even have a world map.>inb4 you post a regional mapWORLD map. Divinity is a joke of a setting, it feels like a parody of a fantasy world
>>720889027Making faggy permission threads is the franchise he loves the most.
>>720889160>writing, writing, writing, maps, maps, mapsIn terms of gameplay, retard, which is literally the only thing that actually matters
>>720887661>sold poorly>reviewed poorly
>>720889017I'd say the man child that is completely passive and simply consumes cringy youtube lore videos is worse than the man child who paints minis and takes them to toystores to play against others. One of those as a level of technique and competition
>>720877103Apparently the answer is "read the horus heresy books" despite there being like 54 of them.
>>720889658Don't read them. James Workshop has terrible quality control and this series is a dozen authors sharing characters without reading each other's work.You'll like a character in one novel, then when he reappears in a later novel he's retarded, then returns to normal ten books later. Half of them are actually just bad, and all of them have the consistent problem that most authors can't write super human or hyper intelligent characters because they themselves are midwit hacks. Spare yourself.
>>720889658>Apparently the answer is "read the horus heresy books"Absolutely not. The individual writing (not just for the horus heresy but all warhammer books) is fucking horrible and knowing the basics of the setting is more than enough.
>>720889658i can recommend dan abnett as author, hes solidtried reading ciaphas cain by another author and its a dumb idiot pretending to be smart stumbling through the world surviving only by sheer luck, its terrible (but apparently universally liked by 40k readers...)
>>72087797840. And the fact is that Warham Fantasy just isn't all that interesting compared to 40k. Sure, if you zoom in enough it's got some weird and interesting stuff going on, but viewed from a distance, "Dark Fantasy" was old hat even in the fucking 80s. But 40k is fucking weird. There really isn't anything else like it that competes with it, so it naturally just captured far more of the mindshare.
>>720890664Helps that it came in when sci-fi was at its most popular, guys fucking love power armor and space empires
>>720877865its better because the even more awful new writing and rules have a clear divide from the old from the fantasy battles and smegmar split40kek newfags have no idea where to look for a standard when the game has been a different flavor of shit every other year since like 4th but they're not going to understand that the setting went super stupid and gay with 8th nearly a decade ago now
>>720879215>you MUST consume GW's sloptheyl get shittier and shittier every year thanks to stupid faggots like you
>>720877845...darktide?
>>720890946When people are actively arguing you shouldn't engage with the whole reason for something existing that franchise is pretty much dead, congrats you enormous poseur
play darktide to get feelings for the imperial guardplay the dawn of war games to get feelings for the space marinesthere, you have a strong start in the franchise because it mostly revolves those prior two
>>720877103orkz iz best
>>720891778You can get pretty strong feelings for the IG from DoW to be honest. Winter Assault was pretty damn good, and of course there's Vance Motherfucking Stubbs.
>>720879215How hard is it to paint the minis? I can't imagine myself being able to color guys like pic rel as detailed as they are shown in the shop
>>720877103I played Rogue Trader and Space Marine II. Both fun. If you actually complete Rogue Trader you’ll have a pretty good introduction to the 40k universe. Great game too.
>>720887661I wanted to use them to proxy as cultists but half of the deity legions got rid of their human cultists
>>720881067Space Marines are straight up Paladins without the healing.
>>720894580Nope. Paladins are adults.
>>720892913Fairly hard, but mostly it's just time consuming and knowing how to work with paints.
>>720877103FUCKING HERETIIIIIIIIIIICS
>>720889382>gameplayIt's an extremely barebones system and no I'm not impressed with the fact that you can move crates around. Makes it feel even sillier, like I'm playing toddlers first cRPG.And that's even if I do go along with a ridiculous premise that dialogue and lore aren't important for an isometric cRPG
>>720896914You're talking out your ass at this point, so what is it really, you don't like Larian now so you retroactively decided every game they've ever made was shit?
>>720877978It has about five, maybe six worth playing, but three of those are RTS games like Mark Of Chaos, The Horned Rat/Dark Oman and Total War Warhammer.the others are Vermintide, and Mordheim(which is janky mess but still playable)Age of Reckoning is also not bad if you like mid-2000s MMOsBloodbowl is also good, but that's really its own thing
>>720896715DIGGANOBZ
>>720880446The Imperium are the Skaven
>>720877103Start with the Rogue Trader cRPG. It has good RPG mechanics, good character, good story and goes into a deeper dive into the universe instead of the "big fridge man pew pews everything" of Space Marine 1 and 2.Also, waifus. Fish waifu, racist space elf waifu, many waifus
>>720892913Just thin your paints and the rest will follow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPAHHQf4las
>>720892913Pic related isn't that hard outside of that fucking flag. Space Marines are easy mode in general.
>>720877103> Is there no good medieval warhammer?Warhammer Total War, Vermintide, and (If you like going more old school) Shadow of the Horned rat/Mark of Chaos are pretty popular.Bloodbowl is unironically the best game, both on the tabbletop and in real life, even if it can be infurating at times.
>>720880303Playing with minis is identical to being a child and going pew pew in the schoolyard. It's just beyond embarassing.
>>720880845> I just love the scheming little fucks and that they're always technologically ahead despite being borderline retardedAlmost sounds like Dark Eldar, frankly.
>>720877103pick any game that looks interesting to youplay itthen find anotherrinse and repeat until you find something specific you enjoy like a faction or chapter or some other shityou can do the same with the books, animations, etc.good luck
>>720892913It's easier than you'd think. Most models have at least some kind of painting tutorials on youtube. I started doing basic infantry using speedpainting guides, and gradually learned more from there. It's basically just a 3D-coloring book. Pic rel, its my Vlad after 6 months of practice. Not the best paint job by any stretch, but totally serviceable and table ready. I spent in total maybe 6 hours on it. Just be patient, listen to your favorite podcasts and take it one primary color at a time per session.
I'm going to paint some miniatures, starting with some space marines (ez mode)I have black primer only.Is it ok if I use black primer then use some white/grey whatever over it before painting? or am I better with white primer?
>>720901341>said the anon posting in a videogame board
>>720902794Either way is fine. If you use black primer, it can be helpful since there are likely portions of the space marines you’d want to leave black.
