I'm doing a project for school and I need the hardest/supremeliest illogical video game puzzles there are.
>>720896438Discworld point-and-click game?
>>720897028What puzzle is that one?
>>720896438Perhaps a relatively minor example, but in Illusion of Gaia, one puzzle involves standing on a specific time in a room full of tiles. The game hints that playing a melody will reveal the correct tile. What the game DOESN'T tell you is that you have to stay on the tile for about 10 seconds to solve the puzzle.
>>720896438goat puzzle in whatever its called, french point n clickmustache puzzle in gabriel knightmonkey wrench in monkey islandtower of druaga and all its followers, final boss in maze of galious, lake kneel in simon quest, all of la mulanadoors in rivenprison in baba is you
This piece of fucking shit I have so much PTSD I can't recall if this is the easy or harder one but it's along these veins
>>720900697My instincts say that you gotta get the red square into one of the back corners first and kind of rotate it out
>>720896438the inflatable duck puzzle in The Longest Journey is notorious for being one of the worst examples of point and click moon-logic puzzles. i don't even remember it being that bad, but it's an example that gets used a lot.
>>720901003Layton had so much bullshit like this I can't recall which one was the worst but looking at them all gives me some deep seated PTSD
>>720896438Someone might correct me on this but I think Phantasmagoria 2 ends with a puzzle where you just click on random shapes until it works.
>>720901632That's how I solve every puzzle.
>>720896438https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1mtko6k/the_stupidest_puzzle_ive_ever_seen_in_a_video_game/
The Rumpelstiltskin puzzle in King's Quest.
THE MEAT ON BONE
>>720896438limbo of the lost
The Braid star collectible where you have to stand in a room for over an hour while you wait on a cloud that's nearly imperceptibly moving across the room.It's not point and click moon logic, but boy is it fucking stupid
The most famous one is the Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy, which you can play for free on BBC's website.Or not, because every single move you make (or don't) inexorably leads you to a game over. Do anything but the exact right things with 0 information at the start? You get steamrolled. But the worst puzzle is feeding the dog, which means nothing now but near the end of the game, if you didn't feed the dog you instantly lose. KQ5's boot-rat puzzle is also bullshit.
>>720896438The cat hair mustache.
>>720896438you could look up ross's game dungeon on youtube, almost every adventure game he plays is a case of moon logic.Ironically tvtropes' page on moon logic puzzles probably has your research already filled out for you.
>>720900697AAAAHHHHHHHHH, FUCK OFF LAYTON
>>720903789>Or not, because every single move you make (or don't) inexorably leads you to a game overWhich King's Quest was it where if you didn't pick up the pixel-sized ring in the first screen of the game, you couldn't actually complete the game? Oh, and the game had multiple points of no return blocking you from backtracking to get it should you realize you missed it.In terms of hardest puzzle, the old text-based games like Zork and Enchanter had some absolutely fiendish puzzles. I can't remember the specific game but there was a puzzle in a mine where you had to do a very specific set of inputs when progressing through because you later went back in time and had to use your previous self to help you solve a different puzzle in the same mine.
>>720896438Behold the sweetfish river running through my beloved hometown.You who seek the Golden Land, follow its path downstream in search of the key.As you travel down it, you will see a village.In that village, look for the shore the two will tell you of.There sleeps the key to the Golden Land.The one who obtains the key must then travel to the Golden Land in accordance with these rules.On the first twilight, offer the six chosen by the key as sacrifices.On the second twilight, those who remain shall tear apart the two who are close.On the third twilight, those who remain shall praise my noble name.On the fourth twilight, gouge the head and kill.On the fifth twilight, gouge the chest and kill.On the sixth twilight, gouge the stomach and kill.On the seventh twilight, gouge the knee and kill.On the eighth twilight, gouge the leg and kill.On the ninth twilight, the witch shall revive, and none shall be left alive.On the tenth twilight, at journey's end, you shall attain to the power of the Golden Land's treasures, once and for the last time.The witch shall praise the wise and bestow four treasures.One shall be all the gold from the Golden Land.One shall be the resurrection of all the dead souls.One shall be the resurrection of the love that was lost.One shall be to put the witch to sleep for all time.Sleep peacefully, my beloved witch, Beatrice.
>>720900149>monkey wrench in monkey islandThe game wasn't made for foreigners.
>>720906432Space Quest 3's very first task is to click on an exact pixel, and clicking on anything else instantly kills you from getting cut on rusty metal.
>>720903789The puzzles are references to the book. If you read the book, you'd know a small dog ate the G'gugvuntt and Vl'hurg fleets.
>>720896438Here it is, the actual undisputed most bullshit puzzleThis is all of the information the game gives you. Your answer is a set of coordinates that lead to a tile in the dungeon, so to check your answer you need to travel to that tile and check if it has hidden treasure.And the answer? 31, 31, 31. It's a list of game winning scores from the superbowl. This is a barebones japanese dungeon crawler so there's no real way to make that connection to this list of numbers.
>>720896438The entirety of Kings Quest V.
>>720907398I mean, that fake death was literally mocking Sierra's "flush the toilet and you drown in the bathroom" shit.
>>720896438Read wizardry 4 LP surely you'll find something retarded there.
>>720907852To be fair, it was made by and for super smart people.
>>720896438Here you go, just copy everything from here.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoonLogicPuzzle
>>720903789>which means nothing now but near the end of the game, if you didn't feed the dog you instantly loseClock Tower: Ghost Head does thisif you don't activate the samurai armor in chapter 1 (it comes alive and starts hunting you for the remainder of the chapter), you're locked into a bad ending all the way in chapter fucking 3.
>>720896438>playing monkey island 2>that part you have to use a monkey as a monkey wrench>mfw ESLnot so cryptic now that I know, but imagine my shock when I played this back then being a retarded kid with no idea about english >implying I have any idea now
>>720908068Yeah, I know of that one. But at least the game is built around finding many bad endings. It's like Fate Stay Night where you answer a question slightly differently and then several chapters later you're locked into a bad ending.
Silent Hill 3 Shakespeare Puzzle on Hard Difficulty. You need to find a specific code using the following memo, and books with corresponding anthology numbers that relate to it.Memo:"In here is a tragedy---art thou player or audience?Be as it may, the end doth remain:all go on only toward death.The first words at thy left hand:a false lunacy, a madly dancing man.Hearing unhearable words, drawnto a beloved's grave---and there,mayhap, true madness at last.As did this one, playing at death,find true death at the last.Killing a nameless lover, shepierced a heart rent by sorrow.Doth lie invite truth?Doth verity but wear themask of falsehood?Ah, thou pitiful, thoumiserable ones!Still amidst lies, though the end cometh not,wherefore yearn for death?Wilt thou attend to thy beloved?Truth and lies, life and death:a game of turning white to blackand black to white.Is not a silence brimming withlove more precious than flattery?A peaceful slumber preferred toa throne besmirched with blood?One vengeful manspilled blood for two;Two youths shed tears for three;Three witches disappeared thusly;And only the four keys remain.Ah, but verily...In here is a tragedy---art thou player or audience?There is nothing which cannotbecome a puppet of fate or anonlooker, peering into the cage." Here are the books and their anthology numbersRomeo and Juliet: Anthology 1 King Lear: Anthology 2Macbeth: Anthology 3Hamlet: Anthology 4Othello: Anthology 5
>>720908321The next puzle is way more retarded, with the poem about eating a face. The nose is not in that place.
>>720900149>goat puzzle in whatever its called, french point n clickbroken sword
>>720908321solved this when i was 15, pretty simple if you're not brown
>>720908204Even native English speakers outside the USA considered it disgustingly offensive that an American game would use American slang.https://musingsofanitpickinggirl.wordpress.com/2018/10/15/can-we-talk-about-the-monkey-wrench-puzzle/Shit like this is worse, and I hate Sierra for it because it's in every game (not to mention the million ways you can softlock): https://files.catbox.moe/wcwxbb.mp4
>>720906432KQ 4 had the golden bridal, which was missable and hidden behind a shipwreck. KQ 2 had a bridge to the final part of the game that could only be crossed 3 times before collapsing, and you had to cross that many times to beat the game, so if you accidentally crossed it even once while exploring, you could not finish the game.
>>720909028Did they kill you just because they could back then? Is this some sorta twisted heritage from the era of quarter munchers?
>>720909290KQ5 had the cat you had to throw the boot at. If you missed your chance, the rat couldn't save you in the inn run by gangsters.
>>720909358According to Roberta Williams, the only people who owned computers back then were adults of above-average intelligence, and so the game difficulty was set to match that. These are VERY short games if you know the answers, like 3 minutes long, so they had to be borderline impossible to get playtime out of your purchase.
There's this bit in Metal Gear 2 where in order to pass through a gate, you have to get an egg heavily guarded by lasers, you hatch the egg and inside the egg there's an owl, you use the owl at the gate and the guard just believes it's night time from that, opens the gate and fucks offhttps://lparchive.org/Metal-Gear-1-2/Update%2037/
>>720896438plenty of examples in Myst 4that game is a load of bulllshit
>>720909028>American slang.Monkey wrench isn't slang. If anything, it's more like a term of art - that article even says it's something only a tradesman would know.
>>720896438System Shock puzzles. Counter intuitive af. You can directly compare with the improvements Bioshock made with its minigames since it’s a spiritual successor.
>>720910491>monkey wrench isn't slang>it's just slang that few people would knowwhy even post
>>720908321This is one of the best ever puzzles actually. It's so clever that most walkthroughs explain its logic wrong (cause they fell into the trap of thinking each verse of the hint "poem" only corresponds to one book).I have the actual shittiest puzzle ever in my knowledge, it's from a super obscure 1980's game and it beats everything here, but I won't relinquish that information for something as basic as a school project. Just list the popular ones instead, like that Gabriel Knight 3 one where you have to make a fake mustache to dress up as a man with no mustache.
>>720896438https://www.oldmanmurray.com/features/77.html
>>720910792>He doesn't understand what slang meansWhy post on an English website if you don't understand the language?
>>720911112I agree. Why do you?
>>720911048>that web sightjesus that takes me back
>>720910895>I have the actual shittiest puzzle ever in my knowledge, it's from a super obscure 1980's game and it beats everything here, but I won't relinquish that information for something as basic as a school project.What are you saving it for, your graduate dissertation?
>>720907279I spent like five minutes staring at this before I looked at the spoiler. What the fuck, I think this one wins.
>>720910895>I have the actual shittiest puzzle ever in my knowledgeThere's an 80s point and click spy game where you need to pick up some bullshit missable item very early in the game to use at the very end of the game, otherwise you can't beat it
>>720907279>This is a barebones japanese dungeon crawlerEven that's overselling Dungeon Encounters, my god that shit had the budget of a fucking half-opened box of Cup Ramen and a warm pack of beer. Legitimately one of the worst games I've played in recent memory.
>>720907279Wow. That is absolutely fucking mental. Very good suggestion.
>>720907596should probably mention the title, Feeble Files
>>720911914There's lots of games like that actually, 80's game designers loved shitty little "gotcha"s like that.
Does Hareraiser count? Because that's a puzzle so badly designed it might not even have a solution, on purpose, because the scammers that made it never planned on awarding the prize for solving it.The other puzzle that comes to mind as my single most hated ever is the Obduction Villein door puzzle. Because it was actually a good puzzle, but then because of a graphical glitch they couldn't fix, the retard developers patched the game and basically ruined the entire puzzle. Now the puzzle is completely illogical and you either get stuck there or you accidentally solve the puzzle without ever knowing there was a puzzle to begin with.
>>720903789You reminded me of the alien kiss in Space Quest 2. At the beginning you have to avoid getting kissed by an alien or you get a chestburster right before the end of the game.A real fuck you to the players. I kind of respect that.
>>720912290Scams go to a separate category.I would also argue things like >>720911914 aren't examples of bad puzzles, but rather bad game design. The puzzle would be trivial if the key was in a different location.A true bad puzzle IMO is a puzzle that employs such insane moon logic, that even when you have every piece of it available you can't complete it, and if you do somehow complete it, you still can't make any sense of it.
>>720910895>>720911557That one's fairly well-known. The puzzle designer left the project halfway through, so all they could do was go through her notes and try to replicate the unfinished puzzles, leading to stupid nonsense like that.
>>720912340Wasn't that 7? If you beat the game before the chestburster emerges, you survive. However, like all old games its internal clock depended on your computer speed, so probably you just die instantly replaying it on a modern computer.
>>720896438The first Dark Seed has a point where if you aren't in the right area at the right time you'll miss out on getting an item that basically unlocks the game meaning you'll wander about until the time runs out and you die.Not sure what the actual puzzles are like since I've yet to go back to it.Hugo House of horror had a stupid puzzle that was designed just to frustrate people into paying for the hint book where there was a door hidden behind a rock in the basement, don't even think it would show up in thr description when you typed "LOOK" and you just had to know to walk up
>>720913742You're talking about GK3? I want to hear the obscure one.
I guess the missable pie you need to defeat the yeti in... King's Quest 5? I only ever played the fan remakes for 1 and 2.
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>>720914485AHHHHHGGHJHHHHHHHGGGGHHHHH
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
Does the cuckoo clock puzzle from Gabriel Knight 2 count? I'd that, had it been 2D it wouldn't have been anything out of the ordinary, but since this was a Sierra FMV adventure it just came off as bizarre.
>>720896438https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7nk_Apf35A
Basically, NO puzzle in Harvester made any sense.
>>720907398>you used that important item you need now already 30 screens ago>sucks to be you, nothing personal kid
>>720912662Then I’m doubling down on the post-patch Obduction puzzle. Because they patched out the logic of the puzzle so now the only way to solve it is on accident.
>>720915267The puzzles in the Lodge are the worst because a bunch of them softlock you if you forgot to pick up certain items.
>>720907596huh? Isn't the solution just following using the correct order of the colors until you reach the other side?I liked Feeble Files but of course it wasn't worth the implosion of Adventure Soft.
>>720900697These puzzles are the easiest actually, because you can just brute force them. The game doesn't force you to use the optimal number of moves.
>>720915148Oh shit I missed that one.
>>720915830yeah but there's 30 tiles, colors cycle constantly, skewed perspective and and andI remember it being awful. fun game for the writing, but the puzzles were something else
>>720896438In pursuit of Loath Nolder has the absolutely retarded "When will the triumphant Witch be reborn?" puzzle
>>720909358The game overs in Sierra games are mostly funny little jabs at the player. They are of no real consequence because you can quickly get back to where you were if you know what to do.
>>720910792Monkey wrench is slang. American cartoons had the same gag (using a literal monkey as a monkey wrench). It's a common term in the USA.
>nobody posting it yet
>>720917437Which game?
>>720917720https://schoolentrancetests.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Critical-thinking-puzzle-book_1.pdf
>>720917720any Layton game
>>720917437UhhhhThe mechanism was designed to strike the bell 13 times?
>>720917437heckin' 3pic
>>720918079No. According to: >>720917843:There was a joker in the village living opposite to the church. Each midnight he used his gun + silencer to shoot the bell after 12 rings.This is simple logic anon. The power of deduction.
>>720910491A guitar hero player would know the term
>>720896438obviously this brain melter
>>720918445kino
>>720896438Just plagiarize ashenshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7nk_Apf35A
this garbage. The JP was easy. Eng is retardedgood country has good meat. いい国肉良い、 i i ku ni ni ku i i11922911
>>720896438Just lock the true ending and a good chunk of content behind an invisible score that you get by playing the game intentionally wrong, but not so wrong that you get a game over.
>>720896438one of the Deponia games had a puzzle where you had to listen in on a clandestine conversation in a noisy area. The solution was to go to the settings and turn down the volume.This may not sound like a big deal if you're just reading this here, but it's another thing entirely after multiple hours of solving puzzles whose crazy bullshit (and there's a LOT of crazy bullshit in those games) was still limited to the game world..
>>720917260So what was it?
>>720914231You also need a bobby pin that blends in perfectly with the floor of the library (it's like 1 pixel) and at the very end if you don't use gloves when pulling a lever you'll die despite it being ok to touch earlier when the power wasn't on.
>>720915776The only softlock I recall is needing a couple of planks in a previous room that's locked to get across the room with lava.
>>720903764AIEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>720921986There's a few more but can't remember all of them. One of them requires passing by a sewer monster that you need to feed limbs/pieces of meat to. If you only have 1 piece then you're softlocked because you can't pass by the monster again to get to the room that has the meat. There's also another one where you need to place flagpoles to stop a ceiling from crushing you. The door you entered from is locked until you solve the puzzle, so without the flagpoles you're fucked.
>>720921281You have to nickname your regice.
>>720923653How odd
>>720923886Oddish.
>>720922281oh yeah the flagpole puzzle was the most retarded
>>720897028its monkey island 1, looks like an early version too
>>720896438The tail puzzle in Void stranger. Fuck this troon shit
Most of Shadowgate's puzzles aren't too bad but it has one of the most retarded mechanics ever. You have a torch that will go out every couple of minutes and if you try going anywhere without a lit torch you'll break your neck and die. Also there are a bunch of red herrings like a room that instantly kills you if you try to enter it.
>>720901403Anon I solved these puzzles when I was 8You're just retarded
>>720896438Simon the Sorcerer.
Syberia 2002 has some really nonsensical puzzles. involving a creek, a dam, and a broken lever that requires the player to use an oar from a distant rowboat that the character wont reach for despite it being in reach and ew its dirty and gross i dont want to fucking touch it FFFFFFFFFFF JUST PICK UP THE FUCKING OAR YOU STUPID CUNTTorin's Passage has some dumb puzzles too.
>>720924889>Torin's Passage has some dumb puzzles too.D - REEP - COME - ERE
>>720923968jej
>King's Quest 2Throwing a horse bridle on a snake. There is zero indication that this is the solution in-game.Official hint books say that there's no reason to think it would work except knowledge of esoteric mythology; just do it, use bridle on snake.Later novelizations state that King Graham accidentally tripped and the bridle fell on the snake.
>>720914275>>720911557Fine, I'll spill it. It's the final puzzle in an adventure game named Erebus (1986). You have to jump into an active volcano while carrying in your inventory exactly four items in this order: a spacesuit, a saw, a pair of goggles, and a children's book about bears. If you miss an item you die. If you carry anything in addition to those you die. If you wait for a few seconds, thinking about if you really want to jump into a volcano, you die. If you have the items in wrong order in your inventory, you die. If you did everything perfectly, you win the game.Now, you may wonder: what is the clue for this utter nonsense? I'll tell you. There isn't one. There's absolutely no clues. No way to know you need to do that except hacking the game. You don't know you need to do anything with the volcano, you don't know those items are special, you don't know the order matters, and if you try to experiment you die.And that, gentlemen, is the worst puzzle. I'll credit BillBull for finding this cause I had never even heard of it.
I just thought it was to convoluted. Late game is so shit in this game.
>>720926056I searched for snake and bridle in mythology and found nothing. What myth are they referring to? There's a type of snake called a bridle snake but that's unrelated to mythology.
>>720927175That you for expounding. Is there any reason it works in game? Like you put on the space suit to survive the heat coming from the lava, you use a saw to cut a hole in the caldera, etc?
>>720925156I could never finish that game, it had some wired game breaking bug like most of the Sierra games from that time including King's Quest 6, Larry 7 and Space Quest 6.
>>720896438i hear this game's pretty asinine, although i haven't played it myself
>>720896438Ok Smart Guy! Let's See YOU Take A Crack At It!
>>720928092No, it jumps directly to a congratulation screen where you're cheered by a bunch of penguins. It's like they plain forgot to put the necessary hints in the game.
>>720896438La Mulana has a lot of logic puzzles that involve non eucledean architecture, but one involves for the only time in the game to enter a vase like its a Supermario pipe to teleport to a completely unrelated area to silve a puzzle.
>get a feetjob>choice between cumming or holding out>if you hold you get the bad ending where the girl from that route dies from pregnancy complications
>>720927905The only thing that came to mind for me was Saint Martha and the dragon, though that was a belt/girdle and not a bridle
>>720918445Lateral thinking puzzles have multiple answers. They're more like psychology tests.
>>720903764absolute kino
>>720928956That's a hell of a leap for a bad ending.
>>720928956
>>720906673>click>parser game
There's an old SNES game called out of this world(which was an older PC game before that), one sequence has you in a tank, you need to press buttons inside the tank in a specific order to activate the escape pod.There are no clues as to what buttons to press.
>>720897028did you get that number of that donkey cart?
>>720926056
>>720929467no, they have a single correct answer. But the intention is that you have someone who knows the answer you can ask questions to, but they can only answer yes or no. So you start by asking broad questions and then progress to narrower ones to get closer to the intended answer.
>>720900149Broken Sword's goat puzzle isn't "hardest/supremeliest illogical", it's just the only fucking puzzle in the entire game that need rapid execution to work.So when you fail it because you took your time checking shit and get goat'ed, you just assume this wasn't the right sequence of actions (or are missing a step) and stay stuck forever trying to do something else.
>>720896438the gem puzzle form the beginning of legend of kyrandia is pretty fucking dumb
posting a classic.
This puzzle takes like 1 week IRL to solve. By far the worst ITT
>>720909028You guys didn't get monkey wrenches referenced in media like we did? Lmao bunch of lamers
>>720917260what is this?
>>720928486hmm let's seescrollkeykeyswordswordThat's skkss, which is the sound a snake makes. Maybe we need to find a hidden snake somewhere in the map?
>>720931359what the fuck is this
>>720933304Minesweeper for math PHDs. Requires crippling autismhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2262930/Bombe/
>>720930119It's not too hard to figure out, the display lights up when you're pressing the correct onesat least on the version I played
>>720930574whats worse, moon logic and soft locks, or shit like this and yellow paint?at least with the former a culture of hints and sovlful FAQs arose
>>720933870They're equally bad.
It may be worth bringing up that one goddamn key in the Water temple in OOT that so many people miss their first playthroughs. It's not actually that obscure, it's just the most obscure thing in the dungeon by far. It's in the center tower, requiring the water level be raised enough to enter a secret tunnel that was previously beneath a floating platform.The 3DS version makes it a lot easier to find.I only bring this up because it's so infamous, and is almost solely the reason why people complain about the water temple so much (That and having to go to the menu to swap out your boots, and having to constantly change the water level).
>>720928956>tokimeki check in>choice between mopping or sweeping the floor>get or lose the girl you were after if you choose wrongAdmittedly the girl in question has a running joke where if there is any water, she will somehow get splashed.
>>720896438The goat puzzle.
The infernal fiend bites into the neck of the colossal dragon. Thus binding the two together.
Space Quest V ventilation maze.Space Quest VI EVERYTHING.
>>720937024that's not so bad. They even have a hint, albeit a cryptic one, at the solution's location.
>>720896438Not exactly a puzzle but trying to navigate the map in this game is a nightmare.I suspect the whole game was supposed to make use of the 360 camera tech that was arbitrarily used in two random screens but some issue got in the way so they just picked a single direction for each screen without thinking it through too much resulting in you spining around while traveling thr city.
damn basically none of these answers are useful. I was looking for a specific type of puzzle and I thought I would get it if I asked for the hardest puzzles but it's not really working.I'll have to think of a way to rephrase and try again another time.
>>720897028hmm
In Space Quest 4, there is an action sequence that requires you to move to certain points on the map in sequence or die. There's no hint, it's just reflexes and rote memorization. It's a lot of trial and error, and I'd wager the quickload key gets the most use here. This would have been annoying on it's own, but depending on which version you play and on what kind of computer you use, this puzzle could have been made 10 times more difficult, and skirting the edge of impossibility.You're floating around in an anti-grav roller rink, pic related, and have to float from place to place to avoid the lasers from the police trying to kill you. Their laser shots are not timed by some animation though, they're timed by the CPU cycles of your system. This means that if your system is faster than intended, they will kill you almost instantaneously. It turns an entirely bullshit section into an exercise in futility. Even if you're aware of the solution, the timing of your clicks must be so accurate to the millisecond to survive. Luckily, the updated versions have fixed this, so the puzzle has been lowered to Mildly Frustrating instead of I'm gonna firebomb Sierra's offices.
This entire game.
