Silksong bros, have they been topped?
>>720923253>DLCWe'll find out in 6 years.
>>720923253No
>>720923253I personally found almost all Silksong bosses more fufilling than these two
>>720923253I've seen art. They already topped each other.
>>720923620Nobody slanders HK more than Silksong fags
>>720923253>Silksong bros, have they been topped?noSilksong bosses are usually mechanically more interesting in presentation often a lot less coolthe presentation of Pure Vessel mogs every SS boss (First Sinner and Phantom were cool though)
>>720923253not even close whatsilksong is a great sequel but the plot, characters and the memorability of fights is way lowerLace and GMS in particular are kilometers below Hollow Knight-Pale King-Radiance
>>720923253HK/Pure Vessel & Radiance to Lace & GMS is such a ridiculous downgrade in like every aspect possible it's almost unbelievable.
>>720923763PV and NKG are more interesting mechanically than silksong bosses generally, theyre on par with the very best
>>720923253Silksong is a great game but the only thing that's getting topped is you with a bunch of cute boyshttps://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/125254789
>>720923836dont forget weavers and pale kinghonestly i saw it coming, i usually expect the such from sequels. making the apex of a setting and then matching it in the next game you didnt plan ahead is not easyi have faith TC will make a better plot for their third game
>>720923253long story short, no
>>720923717I'm not slandering it though?
>>720923253if e621 is any indication, they were both topped many times
>>720923836>HK/Pure Vessel & Radiance to Lace & GMS is such a ridiculous downgrade in like every aspect possible it's almost unbelievable.truth nuke
>>720923253yeah and that's a good thing
>>720923253Both of these were harder. Don’t really have any heal windows outside of pushing your luck or staggering the enemy.
>>720923836gms and radiance are literally the same bosshow the fuck this is the downgrade retard?>pure vesselthe story version is shitlace is way better regardless version
>>720923253Both Nightmare King Grimm and Pure Vessel are hard but fair. Bosses like the ant queen in Silksong have felt tedious and bullshit (oh yeah, and there's ALWAYS an enemy gauntlet before the boss, sometimes 4 like with the Crust King :/ )Silksong isn't bad but I am *incredibly* disappointed after how amazing Hollow Knight was + 7 years of dev time (Hollow Knight was less than 2 years)
>>720923836Will never take anyone who says Silksong finishes strongly because it definitely does not. GMS was unironically the first and only actual boss in Silksong I first tried, literally why? I don't even use tools either, was she even playtested? Why did I have a harder time avoiding the Bilewater hunters than Spider Jesus?
>>720923253A couple of bosses top them yes, but overall the games are pretty even in terms of the boss fights.I mean for every Karmelita or Fist Sinner there's a Beastfly.But then again for every Pure Vessel there's a Flubworm or whatever it was called.
>>720924945>the story version is shitThe Hollow Knight is kino>midway through fight it starts trying to help you and starts shanking itself>music changes to being somber>Hollow Knight becomes a puppet and gets thrown around by the Radiance
>>720925173A boss feeling easy to you does not make it necessarily easy but also, doesn't make it a bad boss.Difficulty is not a metric of quality. In fact it tends to be opposite.
>>720925173I found GMS and First Sinner ridiculously easy, beating both first try. I didn't even beat Moss Mother first try lol.ACT 3 of Silksong is where I lost all of my patience and just wanted the game to be over
>>720923253I thought Karmelita was more fun than both. Not harder but more fun.
Tormented Trobbio > NK GrimmGMS = RadianceLost Lace > Pure VesselKarmelita >> SheoPinstress < Sly
>>720923253Both are DLCs but Silksong doesn't really open any paths for any new bosses with the same quality as these two if they were to make a DLC. Pure Vessel is just a better version of the Hollow Knight fight, and NKG and the rest of the Grimm Troupe already used up the outside visitor shtick so whatever comes next for Silksong has to be tied to its lore which there isn't really much of it left? Maybe we're going back to Hallownest?
>>720926020>Tormented Trobbio > NK Grimm>GMS = Radiance>Lost Lace > Pure Vessel
>>720924945>the story version is shitYeah, the story Hollow Knight fight is pretty shit and it's evidenced by the fact that people keep bundling Pure Vessel together with it when it's a boss rush exclusive fight and has no bearing on the base game ending at all. I beat HK and was like "that's it? really?" and then Radiance managed to salvage it. Lost Lace is much better than HK as a fight but the problem is that it's just a powered up version of a fight you've already done several times so it feels lame. They needed something equivalent to Radiance after it.
>>720926389I literally cannot phantom the thought of believing HK's story is worse than Silksong's. I've tried but I seriously just can't.
>>720923795>and the memorability of fights is way lowerEhhh, PV, Radiance and NKG are memorable but that's all. Doing Pantheon 5 makes you realize how mind numbing most of the bosses in HK are. I think Silksong has it beat in terms of boss fights for sure.
>>720926389When people say the HK fight is much better than Lace, they don't mean the mechanics. They mean how much impact it has and the presentation of it. The Hollow Knight is built up as this mythical failed savior of Hallownest and there's real tension when you're unlocking his crypt and releasing him from his chains. And him self-stabbing is the peak of the Fromsoft flavour of tragedy.Lace is mechanically slicker and it's a more lively fight. You also see Lace like twice in the whole game, she just giggles and throws out random insults, and that's pretty much it. She's barely in the game. And you step over her once you beat her and that's that. And nobody gives a shit other than cumbrains who only see her fat silk ass. That's why she's worse than the Hollow Knight.
>>720926701I said the "story Hollow Knight fight" you imbecile, not the story of the game, as in Hollow Knight vs Pure Vessel. You people see a few words then your eyes turn red and you make up the rest in your head.
>>720927026No I just wanted to share something with you. Relax, we're all friends here.
I'm so tired, bros. Exhausted even. I just wanna take a small break then hop into Silksong. I can't be arsed with pantheons 4 and 5 and their bindings anymore.
>>720926953That's fine, from a story point I agree. HK is hyped up a lot more over the game and he feels almost mystical. A complaint I had was that Lace should have been much more relevant over the course of the game if they wanted to make her the final boss. That being said, I feel like it comes down to what people find important. HK was just too disappointing and it brings down the finale for me. In a game where boss fights are so important, having the big final boss be so unremarkable brings down the cool factor. It should have just been Pure Vessel from the start.
>>720923253And in turn of getting lamer the game has a bunch of fag bosses, strange how that always coincides.
>>720927232Yeah people are like "omg radiance!!" but in truth unless you used a guide you did the hollow knight fight first, and that was probably very disappointing given how basic he is. Definitely cool thematically though.
>>720927224>Pantheon 4skill issue>Pantheon 5Understandable, I grinded boss fights in the hall of gods for 10-20 hours before I beat it
>>720927747I'm not saying I can't do the 4th one. I'm just so over the game. I have no drive left. I can't focus on the fights anymore. Maybe I should watch an all-bindings clear on youtube. Maybe that would give me some motivation.
>>720925550Nah it sucked ass lmaoLost lace was disappointing but a much better fight than the hollow shart. Radiance too was piss easy and barely worth mentioning. Idk why the devs made godhome accessible before you actually beat the game
>>720927224you should not have even bothered with godhome in the first place
>>720925637>random atrocity Broodmother or Groat bosses are harder mechanically than the supposed rulers or silk users in the settingit creates a strong ludonarrative dissonanceAfter playing hollow knight you shouldn't go in the sequel and defeat the endgame bosses in less than 10 attempts. The bosses with good design or lore were all jobbers that crumbled in two tries save for the last judge
>>720929490>GroatGroal* And I wouldn't say Groal is harder. It's just harder to execute from the bench while GMS has a bench nearby that makes it easier to get back to her.Also no idea why you're saying broodmother's hard. I think I first tried that shit.
>>720923253I 100%d Silksong yesterday. There's maybe 4-5 bosses I'd consider good, and none of them are as good as Nightmare King Grimm or Pure Vessel.
>>720923253I just beat the Cogwork Dancers and I gotta say they might match Grimm as my favourite boss fight in the series
>>720929895>two fagbots>matching the motherfucking king of nightmares
>>720926953A repeat character being the final boss only if the character's fight significantly changes. There is fuckall difference between lace 1 and 2, then 3 only adds void vomit to the same moveset. It's such a boring dogshit finale, it is neither enjoyable nor has spectacle, fucking terrible end to an amazing game.
>>720926892When it comes to memorability the only thing that matters is the finale, and lost lace is such a damp squib of a fight that it sours you on the whole thing. It's literally easier than the previous lace fight because the void attacks give you more openings.
>>720927026Why are you so angry? Daddy issues?Relax lil buddy and let the adults do the talking.
>>720923253TC will never make a cooler boss than nighmare king
>>720923253Karmelita is probably harder than either.
lorewise is hornet stronger than the knight
>>720934073the knight mogs her and it's not even close, hornet is a half breed while the knight is the product of 2 pure pale beings AND is infused with void, if we're talking about the knight post birthplace cutscene/godhome then the difference becomes even more dramatic because now he has unified that entire hellhole under it's will
>>720934073No. It's not Hornet's fault though, the Knight is just OP as fuck.
>>720923253Nope, especially not pure vessel. Team Cherry's character writing peaked with PV and the Pale king.
>>720923253I think Karmelita can join them but no they haven't been topped.
>>720923253First Sinner has been the kinoest so far for me, have yet to see future bosses.
>>720923253Khann is almost there because his moveset, design and coral tower is so kino. But him being so easy and kind of an afterthought takes away from him.
>>720925047Git gud. You get a checkpoint 1 gauntlet before the crust king btw
>>720923253Fuck Lace
>>720923253First Sinner is PV tier kino.
>>720925173I honestly suspect they made GMS easy so the secret ending isn't too hard to get. Killing her without healing and tools isn't a complete piece of cake, though I still struggled more against other bosses
>>720931552>nor has spectacleI agree with everything else you say except this. The setting for the final fight is real fucking cool and creative, I won't have you say that
>>720925047If you didn't beat crust king first try then your opinion is irrelevant
>>720934073No, she's substantially weaker.
>>720935286The ONLY thing that the Pale King did wrong was choosing the wrong vessel (he should have chosen the Knight)
>>720926217HK bosses are much simpler than SS because they were all balanced around a much simpler movement and combat system.Cope little man.
>>720938360>here's my terrible opinion (again)
>>720938162You don't get it. The Hollow Knight failed BECAUSE he was chosen. Any vessel would have.>the idea instilledPK decided to raise the HK as a hero (and as a son, kinda). Which invalidated him as a vessel. The one true vessel could only come from the unity of two voids. Like the Knight who grew up all on its own, without any parental love, or ANY upbringing from any sentient bugs really, and venturing into the wastes outside Hallownest. The Knight is like Tarzan or Mowgli, except without even being raised by wild animals.
>>720935661radahn is good lace isn't
>>720938360you are mentally ill
>>720926020>GMS = Radiance>Lost Lace > Pure Vesselgenuine insanity
>>720938863Even then, the knight clearly develops love and care for people throughout his journey. Solidified in silksong's ending when he saves HornetNo void being that interacts with other bugs would have truly been hollow. They'd all develop either love or hate for other bugs, none of them were being truly void of feelings and thought like the Pale King thought.
>>720940996>Even then, the knight clearly develops love and care for people throughout his journey. Solidified in silksongIt was already solidified ages ago, the moment Nosk disguised as Hornet in godhome.
>>720938853>>720940565and you're a nigger who can't come up with a single argumentpost cheevos
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>>720942082I pirated both games kekBut you are retarded
>>720942217>>720942467that's what I thought niggersit down
>>720942680stay mad troonSilksong was less fun than hollow knight and the boss fights sucked. imagine thinking BITCH mother silk or JOBlace can compete against lost kin, soul master, pure vessel or NKG. kek
>>720923253Wake me up when anything Silksong has tops Dung Defender (protip, you can't)
>>720927232My problem is that we saw Lace like 2 times and had 0 reason to give a single fuck about them the entire time. Very anticlimatic.
>>720926701can't believe 1 frame mogs an entire sequel on its own
>>720942948You mean the CHAD kin, CHAD master, and pure CHAD
>comparing a base game to a game with 4 DLCHollow knight at release didn't have dream nail, didn't have radiance, didn't have the void, didn't have Grimm, didn't have Godhome with pure vessel, didn't have the white palace and path of pain with the full pale king story.Base HK story was some dude was sealed in an egg but it leaked a strange disease of unknown origin, and you must get to him and take his place.Remake this thread after at least 2 silksong DLCs
>>720944298>Hollow knight at release didn't have dream nail, didn't have radiance, didn't have the void,
>>720944298I like to believe someone read this and trusted every word of it somehow someway
