Why is no one talking about this??? It's going to affect games like Elden Ring, Metal Gear Solid, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil etc.It's over for the video game industry
>>720976685Nah, they patented that navigation shit from Dead Space
>>720976685you know, maybe we were right about japs in the 1940s
Some others will but Nintendo are patenting to stop others.
>>720976862But hundreds of non-sony games use this already. Even the latest borderlands title has a dead space style line leading you to the next objective
>>720976685You can't patent prior art.They got a patent for pathfinding. Great. Let's see them actually enforce it.
>>720976862...pathfinding?
>>720976862I'm scratching my head reading this trying to wrap my head around WHAT THE FUCK THESE NIGGETS ARE TALKING ABOUT
>>720977059Patents don't give a shit if someone did something before you try to patent it, they only care if you were the first to submit a patent for it. It's a hugely flawed jewish system that needs extreme overhauling that'll never ever happen.
>>720976685Based
You gotta get that Sony-level budget behind you to create outrage over stuff like this.
>>720977059I believe most of those patent exists only as some valuable paper in their portfolio. BUT if sony sells the game branch, some trolls could destroy the industry
>patent bullying Nintendo did it first, they should patent patent bullying too.
>>720976685no you imbecile, its a method of pathfinding
>>720977240>Patents don't give a shit if someone did something before you try to patent it, they only care if you were the first to submit a patent for it.That is not true at all. If somebody already did what you're trying to patent before you then your patent is invalid. It might be granted, because they patent office is not omnipotent and largely relies on challenges or something being obviously done before, but when you actually try to enforce it in court all your opponent has to demonstrate is that someone already did it before you which automatically invalidates your patent because a patent requires novelty.
Why is this shit even allowed?
>>720977509Then the patents system needs overhauled so they actually have to check for things that might be using the patented technology before handing them out, instead of supplying the paper that lets corponiggers patent bully others with no money to challenge in court. I can think of a billion bigger wastes of money than having a patent office that actually does work instead of just saying yes to everything and handing out toilet paper.
>>720977640>Then the patents system needs overhauled so they actually have to check for things that might be using the patented technology before handing themThat's just not feasible.Patents are publicly disclosed before they are granted. There is an opportunity for the public to challenge the application.
>>720977772Kill yourself kike. I see you.
Gameplay patents should be illegal and every related patent should be struct down, how the fuck do you patent an idea?
>>720977640Not really>Fill a patent for something on 10/10/2025>Sue someone for the infringement of said patent>They check that the sued company have been using said patent definition since 2020>Case closed and patent revoked.
>>720977910Patents in general should not even be a thing. More harm has been done by patent trolling and monopolizing world altering technologies than any good patents have done.Same with copyright.
I have patented your mom WITH MY DICK
>>720978012>More harm has been done by patent trolling and monopolizing world altering technologies than any good patents have done.This is just a baseless declaration with no evidence to support it. Patents only last for a couple of decades anyway.
>>720976685Nintendo is making bad press from patent abuse? Shit we gotta get in on that
>>720978329>NintendoPatent trolling has been a thing for ages.
>>720976685>>720976862This is literally just pathfinding, like something that has existed in games since Pac Man.
>>720978479So? How does that in any way affect what I said?
>>720977509>>720977772>>720978219Uh oh, we have a kike in the thread.
Owari da...
>>720977093>You can't patent prior art.*laughs in Nintendo*
>>720978548Fuck off, commie
>>720976862>>720977113>>720978491It seems they have patented "machine learning applied to pathfinding".Bad news if you make rts games and the like.
>>720978613Nobody other than jews and japanese jews like patents, but your nose is very noticable today.
>>720976685They should add a way for anyone to challenge a patent even after it's been granted without having to wait for a court case
>>720977509>That is not true at all. If somebody already did what you're trying to patent before you then your patent is invalidwhy the fuck is /v/ always full of these argumentitive retards who are literally wrong yet so confidently incorrect, desite the year being 2001+ and the internet being so fucking easy to access to check>but when you actually try to enforce it in court all your opponent has to demonstrate is that someone already did it before you which automatically invalidates your patent because a patent requires novelty.tell that to nintendo, or better yet, all the other retroactive patent cases that have existed over the years and years of this jeweryeven so, courts are expensive, some indie dev isnt going to be able to pay for it nor are they guaranteed a win, they literally know more than you because THEY are patent lawyers and YOU are some guy.
>>720976685If Sony sued some small indie company over that patent then people will call it bullshit too. But that wasn't the case.
>>720978723Nobody other than commies think they're entitled to other people's work
>>720978787>If you discover relevant prior art before your patent has been issued, this is relatively easily resolved. You’re obliged by your duty of candor and good faith to disclose the prior art to the USPTO, and you can do this by filing an information disclosure statement (IDS). And generally speaking, you’ll have the opportunity to amend the claims of your pending application to differentiate from any newly discovered prior art.>If you discover the prior art after the patent has already been issued, there’s no obligation to cite the prior art in your issued patent. But should your competitors discover the same prior art, they could potentially use it to knock out your patent’s claims via litigation
>>720978659Arguably already exists, it isn't like they are saying LLMs which are new technology. "Machine learning" could mean pretty much anything.
>>720978874>art
>>720979081Does your dumbass think this only applies to paintings or something?
>>720977145The whole point of modern patents is to be MTL ESL garbage so that they can pay off a judge and get involved in a protracted and pointless legal case over gibberish that gets settled out of court so that no court fees have to be reimbursed.
>>720977240Patents just need to be abolished almost entirely and then reimplemented at the individual level, same as copyright.The core legislation exists to force the creation of larger entities that can be held accountable by the state for subversive actions against the state.>>720977509Patents are being given for things almost explicitly disallowed by patents. Natural discoveries like goretex (elongated PTFE) were awarded patents. This is a major problem with internationalizing patents, since it gives the awarding country and incentive to NOT do their due diligence.>>720978219There is no reason to have them last multiple decades, rather than just 3-5 years, the timespan of iteration is massively shorter now than it was back then and access to manufacturing tools is feasible for the average person. It should not be financially viable to trade in patents and nothing else.>This is just a baseless declaration with no evidence to support it.Eink displays stalled while the patent was held.Console controllers do not move forward due to patents held.There are companies that have WON legal cases against patent trolls, but ended up bankrupted by legal fees anyway (Aureal vs Creative)
>>720977509>If somebody already did what you're trying to patent before you then your patent is invalidThat's not how patents work you dumbass. You can patent a method of doing the same thing as something that already exists if it's determined to be a novel method ie new. In other words if someone had patented a new engine for an electric car and then someone else came along and made a more efficient design then they could also patent their version. That means that even if you bring up examples of the same concept being executed prior art is absolutely worthless since it isn't the same method of execution. This is also why pocketpair is currently on the back foot in their court case against Nintendo since they were attempting to argue concept and not execution.
>>720979491>Natural discoveries like goretex (elongated PTFE) were awarded patents.Did you really try to claim that an array of a 100% synthetic substance was naturally occurring?
>>720979491>Aureal vs CreativeYou dumbass, Aureal were the patent trolls. The only reason they died was because they tried to counter sue 500 fucking times failing all but one time
>>720979796But /v/ told me it's the idea that's being patented and not implementation of the idea, so if someone patents "electric engine" then he owns all electric engines...
>>720976685>Why is no one talking about this???because it's okay when Sony does it.
>>720980581/v/ has terminal NDS and will lie about anything.
What the fuck is the world coming into, fucking patented pathfinding, next thing we knew is that random dungeon generation is patented too
>>720981047i'm already filing a patent for that
>>720981150I filed a patent for you filing a patent
>>720981305wow not bad...i what i would like to say *whips out patent*
>>720977240That’s not how it works you fucking retard.
>>720981390Don't ever fucking reply to me again.
>>720979796There's also inventive step retard, which is usually the bigger hurdle
>>720981457i have a patent on replying which you just violated by replying to me
>protecting your ideas is wrongwhat the fuck is wrong with this board. like i know it's full of retards but this is absurd.
>>720980930I have a DSi XL.
>>720976685> It's going to affect games like Elden Ring, Metal Gear Solid, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil etc.Obviously it wouldn't because those games release on Playstation. In your scenario, it'd only be games that skip Playstation that they'd go after.
>>720981690pathfinding, by any means, is not sony's idea
>>720981690Zero effort falseflag.
>>720981923It is now...
>>720976685Tendies don't have to worry about it, they never use their legs KWAB!
>>720981923>pathfindingretard
>>720981690
>>720976685>Why is no one talking about this???Sony is barely relevant now.The only AAA devs that could make fags upset for more than 2 seconds are Nintendo and Rockstar. Everything else is just a blip on the radar now.
>sony crashes and burns this entire shitty era of shitty video gamesOh no, anyway?
>>720982652>aqua jeet
>>720976685You have to compare your corpodaddy to spny to make them look goodYou have already lost
Oh so the multiple days long melty was projection as usual
Surely at some point the US government is gonna have to step in a prevent mega corporations from patenting generic ideas so they don't monopolize the entire market...right?
>>720982908No one ever said Sony is good, just that Nintendo is now just as bad.
>Sony files a patent>a gazillion people started defending Sony and explain how patents work>Nintendo files a patent>everyone says Nintendo is greedy and patents are evilNever say /v/ is filled with Nintendo fans ever again because the sheer bias /v/ has for Sony is undeniable at this point.
There's literally nothing wrong with protecting an idea for a set amount of time. What's wrong is the time of expiry for protecting that idea is incompatible with today's world, 20 years for patents is way too long, copyright being LITERALLY until the death of the one that came up with it + almost double the time of the lifespan of the one that died is insanity. Copyright when it was first made had reasonable time of expiration, later generations and fucking Disney completely destroyed this fine concept and the politicians that allowed this to happen should be hanged. The expiry dates for both copyrights and patents should ideally be variable dependent on the effort it took to actualize the thing in the copyright/patent, but for non-physical things it should be 5 years MAX.
>>720983171Nintendo sued an indie company over patents so you conveniently not mentioning this just proves that you're a tendie and there is no real bias, people just objectively look at the situation at hand and potential future threats to video games.
>>720981501Nigger, what do you think the "inventive step" is with a patent?
>>720983337>Pocketpair>a company that took multiple deals with multiple major companies>indieThe icing on the cake is that pocketpair always stole from developers as it is.
>>720983398Whether your invention, even if it is new/novel, was obvious for a skilled person in the field
Reminder
>>720983585Yes they were indie, people trying to retroactively push their success before they released Palworld is completely retarded. Also what did they steal? Everything they can be accused of can be said about dozens of nintendo or sony games.
>>720983682No you fucking moron.
>>720983874>trying to retroactively push their success before they released PalworldAnon, Palworld was literally shilled at high-profile industry events like TGS way before its release and was preceded by relatively successful Craftopia. You fell for the high tales of source control on pendrives and guns modeled by a gas station clerk, didn't you?
>>720983874>Also what did they stealThey have a long history of stealing ideas and styles from other developers. Did you ever wonder why despite being a "small indie company" all of their games are in completely different genres.>Everything they can be accused of can be said about dozens of nintendo or sony games.No, no you can't.
>>720978792Nobody but capitalists think they're entitled to other people's work.
>>720984060yes retardhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventive_step_and_non-obviousness
>>720984158Yes you can. Breath of the Wild stole like half of its ideas from Ubisoft.>>720984068It was a bigger indie game, literally the lead programmer was some student. And look at what you are trying to argue here. You know what Nintendo did is completely fucked, you are now just trying to make pocketpair bigger than they are to lessen the severity. But it would not change how wrong trying to patent troll palworld is even if pocketpair were a big game company.
>>720976862>>720976685Software patents should be illegal no matter what.
Evil fucking company
>>720984253>WikipediaFind a real source you fucking moron.
>>720984356>Breath of the Wild stole like half of its ideas from Ubisoft.See what I mean. All you have as a argument are memes and a poor understanding of what we're talking about.
>>720984420does anyone have that pic where the guy stands up and shouts kino at the tv
>>720984356>literally the lead programmer was some studentYeah and the CEO is a retarded nepobaby
>>720985032So what did they steal? Try being concrete and explain how it's bad and justifies Nintendo patent trolling them over throwing a ball where a summon gets released.
>>720984356>Breath of the Wild stole like half of its ideas from Ubisoft.Anon, no one can own the idea of a fucking tower and even then, mechanically they're different unlike the mechanics pocketpair stole that function in the exact same way. How are you people having this much trouble understanding such a basic concept?
HAH ENJOY CRAWLING, NINTENBITCHES.
>>720976685I know that more government is almost always bad but in a slightly more ideal world we would have courts that are governed by tech experts. Hell you could apply for a test to prove your tech knowledge and then gain the ability to vote on any future technology court ruling related to your field so that the experts in any given field effectively govern the rules and regulations of the tech field. Judges issuing and ruling on patents for literal in-game mechanics and AI despite never playing a video game or using AI is absurd. They don't understand them enough to realize the implications of their rulings
>>720977145Generating navmeshes and NPC pathing at runtime instead of shipping the game with pre-generated navigation data. They want to cut down costs on the personnel that manually corrects auto-generated navmeshes and navcuts. Also sounds like they want the new tech to automatically place various behavioral markers, like cover points, peeking around corners, jumping from lower heights, etc.
>>720985228Well at first this guy is completely discredited with his opinion over tendies >>720983096Look how many people are rushing to defend Nintendo and them suing a game for throwing a ball mechanic. It's really funny.
>>720985219>Nintendo patent trollingThere's no patent trolling going on no matter how much you want to cry about it. Gamefreak came up with these ideas well before pocketpair revealed palworld even having an actual gameplay trailer. That alone moves it out of the realm of patent trolling because they had a realised product before they even filed for a patent and patent trolling is defined by a broad, unrealised patent used purely for the purpose of litigation.As for what they stole, it would be the object throwing mechanic, the quick switch mechanic and one other one that no one ever brings up and I'm not going to bother looking for. Keep in mind that these are NOT patents for the concept but the exact method they made to execute them. That means that anyone could have made their own versions of it and they wouldn't infringe. What's damning is that none of these mechanics appeared in the original trailer for the game in 2021 which wasn't even a gameplay trailer.
>>720976862This isn't walking, this is an advanced pathfinding system, basically a more complicated ingame gps system that uses machine learning.It would be hard to violate this patent but even if you did, stuff like this kind of existed before so yuo could argue it isn't entirely novel
>>720985446No one is defending Nintendo though. Explaining how patents work isn't the same as>oh it's okay they can do no wrong!It's telling you that you're a fucking moron and there's nothing illegal or wrong with btfoing a company that constantly steals from other people.Meanwhile you have this guy >>720984356Who's throat is 90% pocketpair shaft breathing directly through their urethra.
only neets complain about patents because they have no ideas or ambitions.
>>720986328>stuff like this kind of existed before so yuo could argue it isn't entirely novelThat's not how patents work. The concept itself has nothing to do with it being novel, that's all on how it's achieved.In other words, if the concept existed before it wouldn't count as prior art for the new method
>>720986661Prior art is used as a baseline to test whether your method is novel and non obviousThat's why I said you could argue it.The pokemon stuff is a good example because it's not even a 'next step' within the indusry it's so obvious. There is essentially no argument for the Nintendo patents to exist.
>>720986071the initial patent was broader and then they amended the patent to target the exact method pocketpair did.That's why the filing dates matter and why nintendo is patent trolling.
>>720989406That's a regular, completely valid court procedure
>>720976685CAPITALISM BABE!!!!
>>720989406They agreed to settle that case, meaning colopl was most likely right because Nintendo would've won more in damages if they kept pressing.Also you said>What's damning is that none of these mechanics appeared in the original trailer for the game in 2021 which wasn't even a gameplay trailer.Yeah, because they targeted palworld after it had already come out.You lied to misconstrue what was happening, like Nintendo and hid behind Nintendo's actions while ignoring the baseline reality that the amended patents didn't exist until after palworld was already out.
>>720990364>meaning colopl was most likely rightColopl wanted to extort money from other mobile developers for using their patent. They got clapped by Nintendo and now no one has to pay anyone.Funny how you twist yourself into a pretzel just to make Nintendo a bad guy while defending actual, real, honest to god patent trolling from Colopl.>Yeah, because they targeted palworld after it had already come out.No, he's right. None of these mechanics showed up in the 2021 Palworld trailer.Only AFTER Nintendo filed the patents those mechanics were added to Palworld.
>>720976685anon it's only bad when nintendo does it
>>720976685Yeah, this is pretty bad. I bet all those youtubers will also make a video about this, right?
>another episode of failure to read patent language: whataboutism edition State of the education system
>>720992334Yes
>>720977240Only in japan.
>>720981923Just because you're the first person to patent something that everyone is already doing doesn't mean you can claim it as your own
>>720983337An indie company making the most blatant copy of their IP and mechanics possible. You guys are sweating over slippery slopes because they sued a company for literally making a monster catching game using pokeballs. Nobody is patenting 'walking'.
>>720994373>Nobody is patenting 'walking'.Sony is
>>720985070
>>720994557No they arent. You're just seeing an image posted on 4chan without context and without even reading it. Nothing is going to happen.
>>720979081boomer detected>>720980629or perhaps because companies aren't publicly announcing "Hey we patent this to fuck over other game devs"
>>720976685>lived long enough to see game companies go completely insanewhat a time to be alive
>>720978548>instead of mentioning any of the 10000 bad things corps do you mention 1 incorrect thing for ragebait>point out so we can have a better understanding of it>hehe u r le kike
It's okay when sony does it.
>>720976685>JUST FILED!!!>says filed on august 7 2023
>>720976685>Why is no one talking about this???Because It's Only Bad When Nintento Does It
>>720991517Nintendo fans always say that happened but I've never seen proof of it, can you show me proof?These mechanics existed before pokemon patented them, nintendo filed these patents in a space where everyone was like >wtf they can patent this?instead of >Yeah, that's a really unique and cool idea deserving of a patent.The exact kind of thing patents shouldn't be used for and novelty and non-obviousness should be used as arguments in court to protect creators from people like NIntendo.
