ITS OVER..WAHT THEF UCK!?!?!?https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/49A1-B944-48B8-FF00https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/49A1-B944-48B8-FF00https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/49A1-B944-48B8-FF00ITS REAL!!!
>>721029091part of the 0.01% huh?
>>721029091Probably they will say "Security issues", honestly no idea I never had a single issue with Windows 7 and had to move to 10 when they forced the "You cant download games anymore" a couple of months ago
>>721029091Illiterate, phonefaggot retard.This isn't the first time it's happened either
Based, now I can finally uninstall multilib on Linux.
>>721029091who gives a flying fuck
>>721029091>is only in use on 0.01% of systems reported through Steam Hardware SurveyWhy would they continue to support it if no one uses it?
>>721029484That's a separate thing
>>721029091I'm surprised that wasn't dropped years ago. I doubt anyone will be genuinely upset about this.>>721029484No, you'll still need that for 32-bit games.
>>721029091I haven't used a 32bit OS in 20 years.
>>721029091If you aren't using 64-bit already, what are you even doing.
>>721029091>32bit WindowsWhat the fuck were you even playing on 4 gigabyte of RAM?
>>721029091>32 bitwhat a blast from the pastreal Windows 2000 moment
>>721029091the incompetence is very real
>32 bit>past 2005You had 20 years nigga
>>721030098nearly every game ever made, what kind of fucking question is that
>>721030098actual good games you zoomer shithead
>>72102927532 bit OSs have a definitive death date in 2038. It's coming soon™.
who the fuck is still on 32 bit lmao
>>721030098Borderlands 4.
>>721029091Your games? Stolen
this reminded me one time i was installing a pirated windows 7 on a pc years ago. i accidently installed a 32 bit version and barely any games worked on it. had to reinstall w a new copy of windows lmao
I didnt know there was a 32 bit win10
>>721029691>No, you'll still need that for 32-bit games.You only need 32bit mesa, steam itself ships runtime for linux games and proton. The main problem was that steam binary itself was 32bit.
>>721030787Windows 10 has the exact same requirements as Windows 7 (Which was the same as Vista except for the Home Basic edition).It can run on a Pentium 4 with 1GB of RAM, not that you'd want to do that.
And that's a good thing. You will own nothing, you will do what you're told to do, you will install programs you're told to install. And no one cares whether you're happy as long as you're obedient.
>>721030296>split timestamp into 2 dwords>make a tiny bit of effort to show it correctly>integrate the tiny library into everything>hack closed source PEs to use it if needed or just ignore and keep the 1900 yearWhoah.
the only people i've ever seen run 32-bit windows 10 are computer illiterate retards who installed it on a 64-bit computer by accident. no reason to pander to them.
>32-bit windows 10>0.01% of systemsWhat is this dimension
>>721031891What a monumental waste of effort to keep e-waste alive
>>721029091>BROS STEAM ISNT SUPPORTING XP ANYMORE????????? WTF STEAM DEAD?????
Sony isn't supporting Playstation 2 anymore WTFFFFF
>>721030919>shows a 64bit game
Honestly if you were still running a 32bit os you may as well just install Linux at that point. It's not like a new Linux distro would have more compatibility issues with games than 32bit Vista or something.
>>721029091https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1LkK118spc1995 gateway's...its over.
>>721031653Go beg pajeets to die for your causes.
>>721029091small indie company, please understand
>>721032539>monumentalNogrammer, please.
>>721030280well not anymore KEK
>>721029091I'm glad Gaben is getting fired as CEO in a few daysCocksucker thinks he can just destroy the world from the comfort of his yacht fuck him
WHAT THE FUCK!?Isn't there some way to... emulate 64-bit on my computer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQSlUUSz3Q090s bros Its over.
just download 32bits
>>721033628LosslessBits.exe
inb4 the Artifact copypasta
>>721032518Right? Like I thought everybody used 32 bit.Fucking hell, how are that many people rich enough to afford 64 bit processors?
What does this mean?Does this mean all the old games in my library won't work because Steam has DRM and needs to be open while I run those games?
>>721029091https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE0xHzgDpU0Its over.
>32-bitModern browsers don't even work with 4GB of ram anymore.
>>721030258I was still using 32 bit 7 till last year
>>721034501That's your fault for being retarded/cheap/stubborn and being okay with shit performance. Better start learning Linux
>>721034891It took me 15 years to save enough pesos to finally purchase a nice 2012 Thinkpad.
>>721033628Just download more bits bro
>>721029091>32 bit windows 10I never knew.
>>721029091Even the windows 7 boomers must surely be using 64-bit. Even fucking windows xp has a 64-bit version. Unironically who could possibly still be using 32-bit windows in current year?
>>7210352210.01% of the population I guess
>>721033302The programming isn't the waste of effort. Your proposal to backport the patch to 70 years of legacy hardware (most of which doesn't even connect to the Internet) is.
People still use 32bit for vidya?
>>721029091this doesn't kill 32bit games just the 32bit OS versions, different from what Apple did where they prevented you from even launching 32 bit programs
>>721029534I do
>>721029091Why my PS3 hasn't stopped support for XMB?Why the master race faces entropy faster than consoles?
>>721029091Honestly, I'm more surprised to learn there was a 32-bit version of Win10.
>>721035954poor analogyan old computer with old windows and old games would still function just fine
Who the fuck is running a 32-bit OS in 2025? Even with a debloated Win7 or something I doubt you can even browse the internet with mere 4gb of ram nowadays unless you have absolutely nothing else running, especially electron.>>721035954You don't even know what XMB is
>>721034891I was only playing old games and custom levels for Thief and Doom and the like. Modern vidya was so shit I was mostly content
>>721029091>hurr durr im still using 32 bit this is literally stealing!!!1No, you aren't. I refuse to believe even the troglodytes around here still use 32-bit.
>>721031891>hack closed source PEs to use it if needed or just ignore and keep the 1900 yearThat hacking will need quite a bit of effort, considering most if not all programs will hold the data structure in stack local or static memory where it will be filled by a function. Unless you have decomp around, you need to patch the machine code so that you keep other memory addresses stable.
>>721034167The last 32bit OS people actually used was Windows XP. Which also had a 64bit version, but that one a bit fucked, I think.
>>721029091i thought XP was the last 32bit windows
>>721036503Steamies schizo runs Windows 2000.
>>721029091The End. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_QP5_rdH_g
>>721035575>backport the patch>70 years of legacy hardwareI'm sure the slop you pulled that out made it look really smart for you but it ain't so.I'll do you one last favour and address the core of the argument: the topic is exclusively about muh core features in Steam, which rely on muh system drivers and muh other libraries that are magically incompatible with abloobloo durr hurr and other assorted technobabble used to blow glitterdust into your lamer eyes.
>>721036317>umm how do peaople shot web if dere windose is like old but dere browser is like newest most popular most bloated slop?I'm continuing to be astounded by the sheer magnitude of technological competence of the modern average /v/ poster.
>>721036542There is also that "or" part, yes. If you care, you hack it, if you don't you let that specific bit of software just fail to show the proper date. It's off-topic and I added that only as a possible bonus. Also if something is too old to inject a function call from a new library into it you'll be better off just replicating the 2 dword solution inside it. Working with disassemblers is not rocket science.
wait, that means original psx emulation is gone? because the first playstation was 32 bits
There's a 64 bit version of Steam?
but what about big endian support???
>>721029091its about time
>>721037761The client itself is 32-bit due to pointer size being substantially smaller, but it hooks a 64-bit chromium and overlay dll.
>>721030296That's not how computers work.
>>721037483Very high quality post anon, you sure showed me. Thanks for making /v/ a better place for everyone, especially yourself.
128 bit computers when? I miss the good old bit wars.
>>721038015unix time is usually signed
>>721038478A century after we're dead, probably.
>>721029091Turd worlders most affected
>>721038478When access to 16,000,000 gb of ram will not be enough, which can happen sooner than you think if the modern trend of using shit like electron everywhere continues.
>>721035954Kill yourself, ESL
>>721035221Windows XP 64 bit is an illusion, it's a server OS disguised as XP
>>721036317I have 700+ tabs open in Chrome on 8GB ram right now
WHY WON'T ANYONE SUPPORT MY 10 YEAR OLD PC SARR YOU BITCHASS BETHOD
can you even get 32-bit OS anymore? I think Windows retired that option a decade ago. maybe some riced-up linux distros are still supporting potato PCs from the late 90s lmao
>>721037908>but it hooks a 64-bit chromium and overlay dll.kill modern web developers
>>721035221What the fuck are you talking about? I'm still gaming on Windows 98.
>>721029484>>721030919The post only mentions Windows though, so the Linux version will probably somehow continue to require 32-bit libs because Valve are retarded.
>>721037226i miss when computers looked like this.
>>721037226Remember this style bros?
>>721029561>0.01% of the userbase doesn't matteruhhh that's transphobic
>>721039140wine is now native 64bit so proton will be soon as well. previous proton versions will require 32 bit libraries but future proton versions will most likely prefer 64bit. they will most likely phase out 32 bit library requirements for steam soon.
>>721039089Stop indian hate saaar!
>>721029091I wish steam had a minimal launcher so you can still run old games on shitboxes for fun.
>>721037305>lamerNow there's a term I haven't seen for a long long time now. You are completely correct too.
>>721039384The issue has always been the client using 32bit GTK2 and some other bullshit. It's why when Canonical said they were going to drop 32-bit for Ubuntu Valve told them they were going to drop support for it.There was also a big kerfuffle a few months ago because Fedora wanted to end multilib due to tech debt and maintainer burnout and everyone bitched because of Steam not having a 64-bit client (on Windows and Linux; despite having a 64-bit client on MacOS).
>steam has a billion users according to /v/>even if only 0.01% uses a 32bit system that's like 10m peopleYeah lets just ignore those 10m people, having all their money stolen
>>721030258DEC's Alpha and MIPS' R4000 were 64-bit chips in the early '90s. Intel was a whole decade behind the times.
>boot up my old retro PC I use to play old games on>remember I have a game I bought on Steam I wanna play>can no longer play a game I paid for that works perfectly fine on my computerstrange how I can still use all those physical games I bought 30 years ago, but not allowed to use games I bought on Steam.And people says there's nothing wrong with steam.
It's okay when Valve does it.
I'm poor...
>>721039797go drift shopping and see if they have old pcs around from the last 15 years maybe.
>>721039753>want to watch a movie on a weekend>remember I have a subscription to movie rental shop network>but the one near my house got closed>can no longer take a movie for a weekend
>>721029091it has to happen at some point. there's no reason to still be using a 32 bit system in the year of our lord two-thousand and twenty-five.
>>721037908>1GB of RAM usage for game launcherGas steamiesGas jeetsGas webshittersGas jeetscriptersGas nodejs troongamersGas react faggotsGas troonixers who all enabled this faggotry
>>721039653Those 10 million jeets are just freeloaders, probably the same people who complained about dropped win 7 support.
>>721040039False equivalence. It would be like his TV stopped working because a broadcasting company said so. Despite him having a tape he's put into a player.Sure, serves him right for agreeing to have the TV be always phoning home for permission to play the tapes. Congratulations on finally figuring out that corporations will always fuck you in the ass given enough time.
>>721029091maybe we are getting a new browser soon.
>>721040110What if I want to play a game on my Pentium III?
>>72103904130 year old pc at if we're bitching about 32bit
>>721040258But he doesn't have a tape. He bought a right to rent (download and play) a tape, not the tape itself. He would've had a tape if he bought on GoG.
>>721029091good, poorfags have no right to play videogames
>>721040320i'm sure you'll figure out a way to launch an executable from 2003 without the steam launcher
>>721036947Yeah, the 64bit XP was pretty much a mess.
>>721029091rip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TRemrRaPjc
>>721040443No, he does have a tape but it's locked in a way that it doesn't work before the TV phones home. It has almost the same contents as a normal tape.Otherwise it is an important distinction and GOG is less pozzed, sure.
Can't Titor do anything about this?
>>721029091I wonder if this lead to them supporting SBCs more often since majority of SBCs are 64 bit.
>>721029091I wasn't aware there were still 32-bit systems still in active use.
>>721040769He literally doesn't have it.https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/>As a Subscriber you may obtain access to certain services, software and content available to Subscribers [...] the rights to access and/or use any Content and Services accessible through Steam are referred to in this Agreement as "Subscriptions.">The Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services. To make use of the Content and Services, you must have a Steam Account and you may be required to be running the Steam client and maintaining a connection to the Internet. >Furthermore, Valve may amend this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) unilaterally at any time in its sole discretion
>>721035221>implyinganon please.......
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you just need to authenticate your games on Steam can't you just download an older version of the client on your old 32-bit system and run it? Sure you won't have access to the store or new features, but just to access the Steam DRM it should work, right?
>Own a disc copy of half life 2>Can't play it on my original XP machine because valve said so>People actually defend this
>People have been so mindbroken by corporations they think that if some piece of technology is "too old" it will just simply refuse to turn on and work even if all the components are in perfect order, because obsolete = "doesn't function at all"How did we get here?
>>721041315Just a steam emulator will do
>>721041509thats illegal and will ban your account
>>721029091I havent used 32-bit Windows in nearly 2 decades at this point.
>>721029275Dude, I can still download games. Game store pages are broken but library is fine.
>>721035221probably some dude on a military base on a random island in the middle of the ocean using an old and outdated military computer from like 1992 to play his old 8-bit steam gamesThat one guy just lost his only source of entertainment.
>>721041557How will they find out?
>>721041215If he downloaded the files they are now physically copies on his computer's storage device. Some games do not have the DRM built into them and can be playable anyway. Yes, he legally doesn't own the copy but that is outside of the scope of the analogy. I already agreed that it's shitty and the core of this and future problems.
>>721041886Wouldn't you like to know
>>721041705He could probably just pirate them at this point
>>721041931If you're willing to go that far, than there's no issue to start with, since you can download a game through steam-cli and run through goldberg on windows xp.
>dude you gotta UPDATE>did you download the new UPDATE>new UPDATE don't forget to restart>btw the UPDATE is going to break the thing that was working fine for the last 10 yearshow is it that I have been installing updates for decades now but not only do they rarely actually improve features they are now taking away functionality from things that worked before? is it all just a scam from techjeets so they will perpetually have something to work on?
>>721041931>Some games do not have the DRM built into them and can be playable anyway.>The main Bloodstained game has no DRM and can be played if you have the local files>The 8-bit spinoffs DO have DRMIt's so weird what does and doesn't get DRM
>>721029091https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnkL1KTbp5Y
>>721039664too bad MIPS sucks ass in general so even a 32-bit intel > 64-bit MIPS
>>721043038Bitfags don't know that the PS2 was the weakest console of the generation and the only 64-bit one.
another poverty thread.
>32bit OShue
>>721044197Even an early gen i5 and a gtx 1030 would be using a 64 bit version of Windows, you have to reach back to the Pentium and gtx 640 days
Wtf bros, why doesn't steam support Amiga and ZX Spectrum, this is fucking bullshit, fuck Gayben!!
>>721030296>Tell computer it's actually 1999>It thinks, therefore it is>Now it works againRetard problems require retard solutions
>>721029725pretty sure XP had a 64 bit edition
>>721030296>muh y2kYou're 26 years late to the party zoomer
If you bought any game that requires to phone home in order to run, you deserve to be screwed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZYy9KzFT2wGamers are cattle.
>>721045768And it was a nighrmare to do anything with. Random shit just would not work and after about a month I abandoned it for 7.
>>721045768Just for the record.Windows XP 64-Bit Edition = Itanium.Windows XP Professional x64 Edition = AMD64.Goes to show how well Microsoft names things.
>>721045768And most people used 32bit for XP back then.
>>721029091Ok. So where is the 64-bit Steam client then?
>>721046478Small indie company, please understand.
>>721046478The main client doesn't need to be 64-bit, as it's pretty slim. The CEF core is 64-bit, and there's 2 overlays (one for 32 and one for 64). You don't just make things 64-bit just because. Pointers are larger, and if there's no need for it, you're just wasting memory.
>>721029091they're just specifying that windows 10 is the last 32 bit windows os. this is literally not news.
>>721029561why cant we apply the same to population demographics and just kill all the jews?
>>721029091why the fuck are you still using a 32 bit OS in 2025 you retard
>>721044901I was running Vista and 7 64 on a Q6600/2x8800GT system (I had 8GB at the time).
my pc can't update to windows 11 due to not having the proper hardware
>>721047293Use Linux, or stay in 10. The lack of updates could be a blessing, actually.
>>721047375>turned out to be not true>linux fats still talk about it and Recall (which doesn't exist on x86-64) because truth doesn't matter when you're recruiting for your cult
>>721029091So glad I deleted steam, even though I haven't used a 32bit OS in forever.
>>721039045I actually wasn't aware 32 bit Win10 even existed. Win7 had a 32 bit version but it was exceedingly unpopular, even back when Win7 was king.The big 32-64 bit conversion happened from the transfer from XP to 7 because XP64 was UTTER DOGSHIT.Here's the stats from May 2018. >Win7 32bit - 2.00%>Win10 32bit - 0.34%>XP 32bit - 0.22
>Steam will finally not default to /Program Files (x86)/ About fucking time.That said, why they don't have a slim legacy client on the side that functions simply for Steam DRM, and installing shit on earlier OS (WinXP/7) is beyond me, given how much of the library still functions on those OS.
>>721041295my first real computer was an intel 4. I remember normies (myself included) raving over how insane the p4 was.turns out it was the single worst product line intel ever put out. I'm amazed mine lasted as long as it did.
>>721047521Its wild because so many games still run just fine, but are being arbitrarily gatekept by version checks and fucking google. And recently the ZSTD download compression.
>>721029091There is a 32 bit W10?
>>721047452modern windows is shit regardless. real or fake you're just adding to the pile either way.
>>72104695464-bit aligned data is faster to access on a modern CPU, so you're wasting performance with a 32-bit executable.
>>721047521It's still going to be 32-bit. They never said it wasn't.
>>721047452>turned out to be not trueNo, it actually did turn out to be true despite the denial, though not primarily Microsoft's fault.
>>721047653>32 bit registers don't realYou tried.
>>721045929y2k was a real problem that was just solved by white men before it became serious. Guess what, there are no white men in tech anymore, or medicine, or any field for that matter
>>721033637Why is this shit so weirdly blurry for a """HD remaster"""? Random edges keep fucking smearing together.
>>721047653At what point is data access speed really a factor for a game store? People already bitch when Steam uses 800MB. Keeping it slim when performance isn't an issue is a better idea.>>721047735He's likely talking about context switching speed being relatively slow on desktop CPUs compared to the almost instantaneous speed of the Alpha and SuperSPARC. If it was something where performance needed to be squeezed out of the program by any means necessary, it'd be a factor, but it's just Steam.
>>721047653This anon really thinks 64-bit CPUs need to translate 32-bit instructions to 64-bit.
>>721035221this, who the fuck doesn't have more than 4GB RAM in 2025? even my fucking phone has 16GB
>>721047748There are in playing video games, LOL. That's why they cry and shit themselves, part of the audience they're trying to milk isn't completely braindead and eager to accept anything as long as it's shilled hard enough.
>>721047834That's AI upscaling. It hallucinates detail. A hilarious one was https://youtu.be/HaUd7XjXreMThere's a point where a dude throws an axe into the hood of the car. The AI hallucinates that he's still holding it afterwards.
>>721047851>context switchingYou can optimise it for specific CPUs. It's literally just a skill issue.
>>721047875Every time you're arguing with something that looks solid enough but is nonsensical if you scratch it even a little bit, it's slop.
>>721047851>At what point is data access speed really a factor for a game storeAt the same point as unironically claiming that 32-bit pointers are more memory efficient.
>>72104695464 bit pointers memory footprint are negligible, even in terms of cache. There is literally no performance gain to using it that is meaningful. Not even 1%.
>>721048000Ugh, I should have expected that to be the reason. How do they look at the obvious result and go "yep this is good to upload, ship it"
>>721047521>why they don't have a slim legacy client on the side that functions simply for Steam DRMprobably because they're being paid for advertising games on their main page
>>721029091>>721029424>>721029534>>721029561>>721047885Remember, you people wanted this because you people supported their decisions. You give them money, you promoted Steam without payment and you people went into pointless talk wars for this company. You are the problem.
>>721048352You quote me yet you still spout the same illiterate bullshit not knowing what is actually being changed. Take your own life with grace.
>>721048352>32 bit Win 10 is obsolete>like, unjustifiably obsolete>even Win 7 was 64 bit>Valve decides to pull the plug because Steam runs on Chrome and they can't keep up a 32 bit fork foreverJust use 64 bit Win 10.
>>721048323You can use your client to install/play your owned games without ever seeing the web page, thougheverbeit. The page is only necessary for the store and social shit.
>>721048352I don't care about any of that shitJust put the fries in the bag lil bro
>>721029091literally who still uses a 32-bit OS? that shit has been obsolete since 2006
>>721048389>>721048417>>721048424Steamies out defending their corporate overlords who will one day kill Windows 10 64 bit and forced them into Windows 11/12 with Recall spyware.
>>721048624>Steamies schizo comes out swinging with the lies
>>721048624Okay, so switch to Linux if you don't like 11 being pozzed.
>>721048624I'm still on 7, which is 64 bit, kill yourself retard
>>721029091128 bit windows when
>>721048770We probably won't see desktop CPUs with all 64 address pins in our lifetimes, let alone 128.
>>721048624I don't use windowsCease your schizo meltie
>>721048869Not with that attitude we won't!
So when is intel going to remove the 16 bit overhang caused by 16 but compatibility mode? Literally no reason for it to exist today and that’s the first mode even their new gpus boot into before going into 64 bit
Microsoft will buy Steam.
>>721049254[ laugh track ]BAZINGA
>>721049320It prints money for the few employees they have. I doubt they'd slaughter the goose.
>>721049320not while gaben is still alive they won't. we have a few good years left at least.
>>721048352How so? Just update, dumb fuck? Windows 10 ended.
Why is there no 32 bit windows 11
>>721048624There's no recall spyware, pedophile.
>>721049474IA-32 has been obsolete since 2006 and has been completely superseded by AMD64 at this point. Compiling Windows to 32-bit is worthless at this point, and any CPUs that need 32-bit are too old to run 11 anyways. If you're using any PC that has 4GB or more of RAM these days (which is basically every PC), 64-bit is required to use all that RAM.
Who the fuck still uses 32 bit operating systems?
>>721049596Poors like >>721048624
>>721049474Because windows 11 takes over 4 gigs of RAM just to get to desktop lmao.
>>721029091Who the fuck even has a 32 bit system what? I've been on 64 bits since 2007 or someshit, and that's because I didn't know what the fuck a bit was before then I probably had a 64 bit system even before that.
>>721049709Vista came out in 2007. You weren't using XP 64 unknowingly, because you didn't shoot yourself out of frustration.
>>721029091If you have anything newer than an Athlon 64 or a Prescott pentium 4, this doesn't affect you.
>>721048654>>721048991>>721049440>>721049635>Killed Linux OS support in favor of their own (Not all work)>Hired to execute Windows code and emulate it on Linux, killing the native Linux operating gaming support.>Killed Windows XP support >Killed Windows 7 support>Killed Windows 10 32 bit supportNot a lie, the future you people wanted.>>721048757>Fake urlNice ¥ faker>>721049490https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsofts-new-windows-11-recall-is-a-privacy-nightmare/What is it called? Ya that’s right Recall. Uploading your 4chan conspiracy theories into Microsoft severs.
>>721049635He's retarded because you have to opt in and you can uninstall it too. Probably a paranoid pedo who doesn't know Microjeet doesn't give a fuck about his cp collection.
>>721049254probably with Intel APX
>>721049836See >>721049894
>>721029091Valve already killed Windows XP support back in 2019, anyone affected by this would've gotten the axe back then.
>>721049894Recall doesn't actually exist on x86-64. linux fats will constantly link this article about it running on unsupported hardware (meaning ARM without the NPU), and there's a statement like "uh, well, maybe someone could get it to work on x86-64." Nobody has gotten it to work to date, and it looks like (a year after the ARM launch) they want to forget they made it.
>>721049790iirc XP 64 was just a cash grab reskin of Server 2003, and a poorly tested one at that
>>721049596Basically nobody did even years ago, see >>7210475077 was the big leap for 64 bit.>>721049836>Fake urlI see, are you an underage 10gger that doesn't recognize the infamous japanese locale quirks from older OSes?
>>721029091>copy+paste your 32 bit OS>you now have a 64 bit OS
>>721050034XP was a much better OS than 7 that's for sure, but starting 10 windows installation, components changes etc got so much smoother. It's a shame the OS design is even worse than 7 which was already beyond shit.
>>721050059You still need that to see jap text even on w11.
>>721049836>>Killed Linux OS support in favor of their own (Not all work)What are you talking about? All the major distros (Arch, Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, etc...) support Steam just fine. Unless you're talking about some hobby distro with 50 users.>>Hired to execute Windows code and emulate it on Linux, killing the native Linux operating gaming support.Linux gaming would've never gotten to where it is today without Proton. Getting devs to rewrite and port their back catalogs to Linux was a non-starter, not to mention that Linux ABIs are much less stable than Win32 for end user apps.
>>721030296john titor fixed that problem
>>721050192Yeah but in older OS's changing your regional settings fucked with backslashes ( \ ) for some reason. I've been living with that since windows 98 trying to play old ass doujin games so I just got used to seeing it.
>>721032518Chinese made netbooks trying to save on RAM and legacy machines most likely.
>>721049836you need to understand one simple concept, supporting old platforms costs money. there's no conspiracy or ill intent here, it's capitalism at play.
>>721050265Oh yeh i remember that.\
>>721032792If your PC is old enough to have came with a 32-bit OS, the last thing you want to do is put linux on it. Windows at least maintains some kind of legacy support, both for legacy hardware and legacy software. Linux expects you update as soon as you're able. Steam dropped 32-bit linux support years ago.
>>721045768Yeah, but at it's core it was a workstationized Server 2003, as both of them use NT 5.2 kernel.
>>721034327If your PC is 32-bit, yes.
>>721049836>execute Windows code and emulate it on Linux>emulateretard alert
>>721034487My Palemoon is currently using 661MB of RAM with multiple tabs open.
>>721035221Me. My two main computers are an Intel Atom netbook and a Pentium 4 desktop. I just pirate games though (because steam dropped my OS years ago)
>>721045705Then you'd lose access to most websites because their encryption certificates would be considered invalid.
>>721050479Just don't update. Honestly win10 32bit if you're SOMEHOW using that for vidya will last probably a few more years until steam does some other weird ass backend update that only functions on windows 11 somehow because Google demanded the change and every jeet abslutely must use CEF embeds for their frontends.You can literally still play vidya on steam on windows 7 though it is getting more and more obnoxious to do so every year, 7kings being forced to use SteamCMD to download games now since May
>>721034327If you're running a 64-bit OS, nothing changes. If you're running Windows 10 32-bit, you won't be able to update, and it works until it doesn't.
>>721032792>>721050415If you still have an old 32-bit PC, your best course of action would be to keep it offline and use XP on 7 on it. It's not like the time on it will keep working in 13 years.
>>721036317I'm browsing /v/ with only 2GB of RAM right now with a bunch of other windows open in the background. I have 853 MB left available.
>>721029091WHY THE FUCK DO YOU NEED TO SUPPORT ANYTHING?steam is a simple fucking launcher!!all it needs to do is display webpages and launch .exes.fucking windows 98 could run it.
>>721050757>all it needs to do is display webpageshahahahaso, google is a company and uhthey made a browser...
>>721050757>all it needs to do is display web pages>this is the biggest part of the support timeline
>>721039465Its criminal that they don't. It would be piss easy to implement too.
>>721029484Smartest troonix tranny LMAO
>>721050757>all it needs to do is display webpages and launch .exes.it runs a lot of other shit on the background, from your chat system to achievements. steam hasn't been just a game launcher in decades.
>>721050882Most of the games that you'd run on shitboxes are DRM free, so you could yank them out of their directories on a real desktop and copy them to said shitboxes.
>>721040443too bad none of the games are on GoG
>>721040110I think it looks cool. That's more than enough reason.
>>721029484no you can't. that's a different thing. >>721050882>it would be piss easy to implementarmchair coders are always hilarious
>>72102909132bit systems literally become unusable past 2038. Why would anyone still be on that?>I have another 13 yearsCongrats on bragging about using obsolete and inferior software. Upgrade. Shit, there's even a 64bit Windows XP. Get that you fucking hipster.
>>721030296just like computers were going to explode during y2k? fuck off techlet
>>721047563Itanium was worse
>>721030416this means you can't launch any more 32 bit games AKA anything made before 2010 or so>b-but my computer-Yeah? how your computer gonna play it if Steam is 64 bit only?
>>721041447Go on archive.org and grab yourself a cracked copy of the 2004 build. Valve are still niggers though.
>>721051041>32bit systems literally become unusable past 2038. Why would anyone still be on that?why do you retards continue parroting techlet bullshit?
>>721051110steam is not going to be a 64 bit client. you need to stop interpreting and actually read what they're saying. they're removing support for 32 bit OSes which is another can of worms entirely.
>>721041557Steam emulators don't use your account. They don't connect to the steam servers at all.
>>721041447>still have an XP machine in 2025>>721051148>Valve areI hate non-Americans so much.
>>721049796No, I need something to channel my faux outrage!
>>721042071Depends on the game. A lot of games on steam are binary incompatible with XP due to updates breaking compatibility.
>>721051157Issues are being fixed because they're literally implementing 64bit software into the programs, so yeah, actual 32bit software that won't be patched will go out.
This has been coming for a long fucking time and good goddamn riddance. Nobody should be using a 32-bit OS at this point on anything made for gaming that also wouldn't be satisfied just not updating any more (ie some ancient system somewhere playing games from over a decade ago running Win 7 32bit or whatever.). Linux is less obnoxious in that you can run a 64bit version and then additional 32bit libraries but even that can be a lot of needless cruft. The issue is not Steam alone but mostly the various components it interacts with or utilizes (notably Chromium/Electron) that many are moving to 64 bit only, so everyone else needs to move along too. Its not really unrealistic and many will not gett future updates so security issues are to be considered
>>721042113yes
>>721041471But PC wise 99% of old shit won't work on newer versions by default
>>721029091Steam censor tags now in some countries alsohttps://files.catbox.moe/f2nhrm.png
>>721051318Barely anybody used 7 32 bit even back when that was the top OS.
>>721047521maybe they get kickbacks from tech companies to enforce updates.
>>721029091I had no idea W10 32-bit was even a thing. Why do you even exist. Can it even run modern games?
>>721050757>all it needs to do is display webpagesyes, it just so happens that modern web browsers are the second most complex category of software after operating systems
>>721029091Huge news for br*zilian poor monkeys
>>721050963Sengoku Rance is on gog and is not on steam.
>>721051601I can run html pages on a fucking 32 bit antique pc.I can run them on a fucking flip phone.
>>721030296Trust the Plan bros
>>72105156432bit can't use more than 4gb of ram.
>>721051601We truly never needed anything more than basic htmls, frames, and .gifs>>721051697imagine
>>721049254Never. There's no reason to remove it and there's always some potential gains from backwards compatibility.
>>721051270True, many such cases. I ran XP laptop long past XP expiration date, and some games could be fixed simply by changing the minimum required OS release written in .exe header with hex editor. That's right, there was completely artificial block introduced in Microsoft Visual Studio to force block the "obsolete" OS.
>>721049796Well shit
>>721051764JS is sort of fine. The oldest versions. AJAX and similar cancer is cancer. So is modern CSS.The root of the problem is design. Those asking to use certain retarded things and those complying just to get paid. Either way it's all going to crash and burn soon so I don't care.
>>721051865Holy shit bro, actually a little envious ngl
>>721051721Normally, yes. But workarounds exist.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
>>721029091So glad I spent the time installing windows 10 by dvd then manually updating to windows 11 24h2 so I could keep a 32 bit audio driver for internal speakers working on my 15 year old iMac.
>>721050713Old machines are perfectly fine online. Sure they may have problems 13 years from now, but 13 years is a long time.
>>721051842Whenever there are sources it's trivial to fix something zomg so old to work on anything that has real time mode. It's all deliberate and always has been. Remember when the OEM collusion with MS was dragged into the light kicking and screaming? They definitely didn't become better since.
>>721029091imagine a world where everything isn't a chrome webappoh we don't have to imagine, it wasn't so long ago that we don't remember it
>>721039384WINE has support for wow64 mode nowadays, which rather than doing multilib prefixes thunks 32-bit to 64-bit like Windows does it, which means WINE no longer requires multilib
>>721051996N-no, it can't be! You've been hacked by the chinks over 9000 times! You're literally Mao The Dong nao!
Which percentage of that 0,01% 32-bit population installed it by accident and never realized their mistake?
>>721029091Steam is dropping Windows 10 support on 01.11.2026. Get fucked wintrannies.
>>721050265it's not only old os' as w10 cmd and powershell still do thatspeaking from experience
>>721051865That's a box for playing old games, right?
>>721050635Couldn't you just make a web browser that doesn't rely on the system clock's year when telling time. Say it knows the system clock is going to be off by a few years, so it just checks a time keeping server online every so often to get the proper year, then stores that on the hard drive.
>>721051052Your inability to understand both the problems in play and the solutions that were implemented the first time around don't change the reality. 32-bit Unix time running out in 2038 is a fact.
>>721050667I downloaded Deltarune on Steam in June.
>>721051601It only needs to load the one website, and Valve has complete control over the code of said website. It was their choice to make it a bloated JS nightmare.
>>721051318>Linux is less obnoxious in that you can run a 64bit version and then additional 32bit libraries but even that can be a lot of needless cruft.This is exactly how 64-bit Windows runs 32-bit software, man
>>721051997Protected mode rather.
>>721052157If Deltarune launched before May and hasn't had a patch/update since then, it's probably still using the old compression method.As long as games don't update, they're still fine.Even if its just a game launcher update it'll fuck you up, or a steam redistributable, or a workshop mod...
>>721050957That still requires me to have a modern PC with an awful modern OS on it.
>>721052105You must of upgrading saar! No old! Old baaad!
>>721051024Just don't use the Chrome codebase. Steam is just a web browser that transfers files. You could do that with a Links fork, or if you wanted a GUI something based off of Dillo or QTweb.
>>721030296So we aren't pretending it was already dead and anyone still running it was just engaging in os necromancy?
>>721029091>is only in use by [minority]why is valve so racist
>>721051226>I hate non-Americans so muchWhat else was I supposed to say? "Valve is niggers"? You use "are" with plural nouns.
>>721033353>you need Steam to play video games, you cannot install without Steam.oh dear
>>721051865It's over!
>>721040126No, just gas Google since they have a monopoly on the web.All you faggots installed chromium instead of firefox and this is the result.
>>721051226Nothing funnier than an ESL who learned enough English to start being smugly wrong about it to try and act superior to other ESLs
>>721051318The issue is getting the games at all. Steam is setup in such a way that you can only download your games on hardware that it supports, which is a very fast moving target.
>>721051649never heard of it
So what does this mean for time capsule PCs, where people want to play on period-accurate OSes/hardware? Are they just encouraging them all to pirate?
>>721052090Its my everything box. I'm using it to reply to you right now. I do have a newer machine (top) that I use to play Steam games, but its not much better since it runs Windows 7. Plus I hardly use that newer machine. The last time I started it up was two months ago when I played Deltarune.
>>721041926maybe microsoft should open source window 10
>>721052878I 100% trust and believe this anon just took this pic on his old nokia flip phone and emailed it to himself.
>>721052270Deltarune released in June, and received constant updates through the month.
>>72103774964-bit computers can run most 32-bit programs just fine.
This is just the latest in a long line of bullshit that PROVES pc gaming is a scam. Some examples;>games needing AVX support, which makes my perfectly fine phenom unusable>games no longer support my HD3870, which is bullshit>games have even WORSE support for my perfectly fine voodoo2 (seriously that thing would run modern games at low just fine if it wasn't for artificial gimping)Now with the "death" of 32bit support this is just salt in the wound. Especially as 64bit STILL has unreliable driver support.
>>721052501So are you posting from that thing, or is that just a vm?
>>721052990Strange, I wonder how it was exempt from the new compression method>>721053014>voodoo2my dude we were moving onto special support for voodoo3 cards in literally every game in 2002
>>721053014What year is this post from
>>721052695Basically. If you play on 98, 2000, XP, or Vista this is already the case.
>>721051443Tell your government to change the law. Also why catbox?
>>721053035old screenshotthe pc itself is a Compaq Pentium II(Slot 1 - 350Mhz) I keep for old software/games
>>721053014It really is a scam. Too bad consoles are a scam now too, because you need to download the mandatory day one patch and firmware updates to boot the games. Gaming died with the 7th generation and the Xbox 360 (on purpose, because of Microsoft).
>>721053014The hits keep coming and they just don't stop>turn on pc>cpu tells the bios it is an 8086>thisisfine.jpg> LOL J/K I'M ACTUALLY AN 2500K>actual 8086 doesn't work on modern OS's
>>721029091JUST (((UPGRADE))) GOYITS [CURRENT YEAR]
>>721052951Actually it was from a Sony Mavica FD camera. I didn't feel like taking a new picture since the thing is hard to take good pictures with. My setup has changed since that picture was taken so I decided to get up and take a new picture.
>>721053014Unironically most 2d games and retro style 3d games would be able to run on a Voodoo 2 if it weren't devs being lazy and using Unity and Unreal for everything.
>>721053487>Mavicafuck I had something like that like... nearly 30 years ago. Shit was so massive it fit a full 3.5" floppy inside that it wrote images onto.
DESPITE ONLY 0.01% OF THE SYSTEMS
>>721029091>oh nooooo pleaaaase pleaase think about the 0.01 percenteeeers!!oh a serious note, which hardware even IS only 32bit?? some ancient PC parts from 2005-2010 or something?
Explain to a techlet what the difference between 32bit and 64bit is
>>721052693lurk 2 more years before posting
>>721053601It's not that big. Sure its fat by modern standards, but its not bigger than your average film camera or polaroid.
>>721053014stop whining you retarded fucking DUCK and just get an old used PC from 2010-2015 for spare change and deal with it.You dont have to announce to all of /v that you're a bald 55 year old.
>>721029091perhaps a steam client redesign is coming
>>721053657Pentium 4 and later some Atom CPUsDunno about AMD
I have a laptop from 2009 in my basement that I use about once a year to print stuff because it has my printer's driver's on it, and it's on windows 7 32bit.
>>721029091I haven't used a 32 bit CPU on PC since like 2010, anon.
>>721053745How much memory the cpu can address, basically.
>>721053745Its the size of the integers the CPU is capable of working with. 64 bit means binary numbers with 64 digits, while 32 bit numbers only have 32 digits.
>>721053801The opteron in 2003 is the first amd64 cpu.
>>721053801isnt pentium 4 ancient shit from like 20 years ago? i had that when 4chan was still a baby website...so like 0.01-0.02% of steam users havent upgraded for 2 DECADES?? lmaoat that point even a PS3 would be next gen to them
>>721029091Who THE FUCK uses 32-bit and why
>>721053745size of a data unit used for storing a memory address in binary numbers, 32-bit can physically store numbers only up to ~4 millionsor a size of CPU register/word in context of CPUs
>>721053808im surprised your laptop from 16-17 YEARS can even turn on at this point. Get with the times man.Thats like whining my PSP cant turn on anymore. Who gives a shit
>>721045768XP was mainly 32 bit, vista was mostly 64 but nobody used it and then 7 was fully 64i genuinely don't know who this would even affect, even third-worlders aren't on XP anymore
okay so when are they upgrading the steam client on linux to 64 bit? vast majority of users and software dropped 32 bit support ages ago, steam is one of the last stragglers
>>721053954Me, saves on RAM.
>>721053991His printer might not have newer drivers, I've known somebody with that issue
>>721053991You know you can just replace the battery in your PSP. They're like $10 on ebay.
This doesn't affect me? Why is it here?
>>721053014>my perfectly fine phenomyour CPU is older than the average african (smarter too)
>>721029091Brother, time itself is killing 32-bit operating systems. What fucking century do you live in?
>>721053881>64 bit means binary numbers with 64 digits, while 32 bit numbers only have 32 digits.>digits
>>721053784God I hope not, I really like the one they have now. Though I liked what they had before and they managed to improve it, so maybe it'll be fine.
>>721054250You don't affect me? Why are you alive?
>>721029091Motherfucker, there were 64-bit versions of Windows XP. If you're not on 64-bit by now, you're either retarded or living in a mud hut in Burundi. That 0.01% of users is probably mostly made up of repurposed second hand junk hardware that still happens to have Steam installed on it while it's running POP3 or IMAP for some guy's roofing business. God knows something that old can't really run games anymore.
what I'm reading is that I'm gonna get a steam improvement with native x64 shit in 2026neat
>>721054346What's the problem, mein grammer fuhrer?
>>721054560>improvement
32 bit
>>721054470You know there were video games made before 2010, right? The vast majority of PC games are 32 bit or lower.
>>721054346what surprised you so, ESL-chan?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit>The bit is the most basic unit of information in computing and digital communication. The name is a portmanteau of binary digit.
>>721054574>he thinks it's just semanticsAsk some slop generator at this point. Maybe it can pick the closest thing it has in the database to an accurate answer this time.
>>721054634ah yes, the famous 8-bit windows videogames like
>>721054646>a binary digit is the same as just a digit>E-ESLGo back to India.
>>721053745a bit is a 1 or 0, ie the smallest amount of information a computer can store32-bit refers to the address length; a 32-bit OS can store addresses up to 32 bits (represented like so: 01000011 01001000 01000001 01010100)since a 32-bit OS can make addresses that are 32 bits long, there are 2^32 possible addresses (2 because 0 and 1), or 4.3 billion4 billion addresses means the PC can point to 4 billion points of memory at once, so the maximum RAM usage of a 32-bit system is 4gba 64-bit system can make addresses that are 64 bits long, so it can make 2^64 addresses, or about 18 quintillionthis gives it a maximum RAM usage of about 1 million terabytesi hope the advantages are obvious
>>721054728>moving the goalpostyou have to be 18 to post on this website
>>721052878>>721053487how and why do you live like this?
>>721054728a bit is represented for us as a 0 or 1; those are digitsyou're arguing semantics for no reason, nobody thinks the computer has numbers floating around in its wires
>>721054827Not strictly truehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
>>721054681There's no 8-bit IBM compatible PC games, but there are loads of 16 bit ones. Most DOS games were 16-bit, and so were most early Windows games. Windows originally didn't even have 32-bit support. It used the older Win16 API, support for which was dropped in 64-bit Windows versions.If you want examples. Duke Nukem, Commander Keen, Wolfenstein 3D, and Monkey Island come to mind.
>>721054925>howI have a computer, it sits on my desk, I use it to shitpost, watch anime, and play vidya.>whyBecause I think old computers are cool and think new computers are very uncool.
>>721036463this is such a weird cope because the internet is mostly unusable without at LEAST 8 GB of RAM now
>>721055176No its not. I get by just fine with 2 GB.
>>721054098>You know you can just replace the battery in your PSPIt's not about batteries you big dumbdumb. It's about the USECASE. PSPs are compleeetely worthless. The Vita (hacked) is massively superior in every single way. Same thing can apply to some shitty ass laptop from the mid-late 2000s , even a Steam Deck would blow the fuck out of any ancient laptop
>>721055108I'm with you but haven't you EVER, not even once thought "hey this video game looks cool!" and it requires more than 2 CPU cores and 4 GB of RAM? I kept a Core 2 Duo E8400 with a GTX 650 Ti on it which was later upgraded until 2018 and I could've squeezed a couple more years out of it but I ended up wanting to play something made the current decade.
>>721055253The Vita being more powerful doesn't stop the PSP from playing games. Plus its smaller.
>>721054928A bit is not "represented for us" as a 0 or 1. It is a synonym of flag, something that can be set or unset. Each of those flags in this context represents a unit of machine memory like a magnetic domain. It can be represented as 1 or 0, or as true or false.>nobody thinks the computer has numbers floating around in its wiresLMAO>for no reasonDigits in a number are always understood to be 0..9 unless some specific context is provided. That post was misleading.>b-but binary number!He is attempting to explain it to someone who admits to know little. The anon who asked for explanation is going to think it's 64 digits as he knows them in the common usage, 0..9, versus 32 exactly same digits. Inability to explain complex ideas and concepts in simple and easy to understand manner while attempting to claim superiority never stops being sad.
>>721055352That's what the PC on top of the desk is for. If I really must play a new game, I do it on that. Otherwise I just play on my P4 and various old consoles.
>>721055494>new gameI don't think we mean the same thing by that. Anyway when I said something new, in my case it was Space Marine 2 and it was around the time I built my new PC
>>721029091So fucking what? Does Windows 10 even have a 32 bit version? How OLD is your processor, motherfucker?
>>721045768It did but it was completely abandoned, was missing drivers for pretty much everything and didn't even get a service pack.
>>721054560>steam improvement>in current/next yearlmaaaao. prepare for the COMPLETE opposite, as long as jeets exist
>>721030274No, you certainly weren't. Are you honestly expecting anyone to sympathize with your Pentium 4? In 2025? How is that thing even running still?
>>721055640I can't play AAA games at all. That game is bigger than my entire monthly internet data limit. All I can download is old games and small indie games. That's why I hardly use that machine. Its basically just for playing the occasional new indie game that interests me.
>>721030919They don't even make 32bit linux colonels anymore.
>>721055776XP x64 edition had two service packs. Unless you're talking about XP for Itanium.
>>721055834>How is that thing even running still?Planned obsolescence wasn't invented yet. You're struggling to understand a world you haven't lived in, probably wasn't even born into. Just move along to nu good.
>>721050415This is exactly the opposite of true. Windows is dogshit for supporting old hardware, and Linux is phenomenal.
>>721055868but they doonly shit distros like ubuntu are dropping 32-bit support
>>721054995>dude, hi-mem so 640k isn't a real limit>but in 2003
>>721040258>False equivalence. It would be like his TV stopped working because a broadcasting company said so.You mean like when old CRT TVs stopped getting a signal without a digital decoder? What are you even trying to do here?
>>721055834Nta, but you do know that PC has been around for 43 years, right? Basically any game made on or before 2015 will run with 4GB of RAM.
>>721055386>b-b-ut it's smaller therefore yaaaay!!i like how you conveniantly forgot to mention the screen shitty ass resolution and size. And lack of right stick.The PSP is mostly a bulky piece of shit that's VASTLY outdated that nobody should be unironically playing on in the past decade. Throw that shit out boomer-san and upgrade ffs. I owned 2 psps and never touched them once i got the Vita + Slim.
>mfw modern hack operating systems AND game devs make games that don't run on my 486DXThe game was rigged from the start.
>>721029091WHAT?! Next you're going to tell me Steam doesn't support downloading games to punch cards?
>>721055909>Planned obsolescence wasn't invented yet.Tell that to id software which basically forced you to get a pentium to play doom.
>>721029091I thought 32bit OS's died 20 years ago?
>>721029091>ITS OVER..For who exactly?They're saying right there only 0.01% of systems are running 32-bit.
>>721055932New Windows is dogshit at legacy support. Linux is less dogshit. The best OS for legacy hardware is the OS that hardware came with.Linux is fine on 5 year old hardware, but once you get to stuff older than that, it starts having issues. Features are missing, certain drivers don't exist. And the older things get the worse support gets. You can say goodbye to gaming since Vulkan is a hard requirement for a good gaming experience on Linux, and Vulkan support is missing on Linux for a lot of older Vulkan cards. Then there's all the software, which is usually compiled for CPUs with modern instruction sets, and uses loads of RAM and CPU time, and most of the time are 64 bit only.Meanwhile Windows XP has all the appropriate drivers for my hardware, all the software is lightweight and fast, and I know that any programs which support it will support my hardware fully,
Do people really not afford just buying a second stick of 32 bit RAM to add up to 64 bit? It's like $100.
>>721055947Debian is dropping it too. Arch dropped it years ago.
>>721055860>bigger than my entire monthly internet data limitWhat year IS THIS?? even Cucknada which had data plans got rid of that shit more than a decade ago.Theres still countries with data plan limits in 2000+25?!
>>721056343uh i....hm.
>>721056027Screen size and resolution are overrated. All that matters in a handheld is size and battery life. The lack of a right analog is shitty, but all the games were designed with that in mind so it doesn't really matter. And since the Vita has no games, all you'll be playing on it are PSP games and emulated 2d stuff that don't use that right analog anyways.But even if it did make the PSP outdated in every way. That doesn't suddenly make it incapable of playing games. It still does everything it was designed to do.
>>721056341>and I know that any programs which support it will support my hardware fully,[raffs in printers and sound cards]
>>721029091
>>721056050pixel shit should run on a 486dx if its going to look like a 486 game
>>721056112Doom ran fine on a 486DX2
>>721056619Man i've never had a printer that didn't have some sort of issue. I really don't understand how its just literally never gotten better. Decades of fucking with printers and none worked without extensive BULLSHIT.>>721056395I'm in a pretty fucked rural part of the US and even my data limit is 1tb/mo so that anon must be on some real slav shit.
>>721029091is this the great toaster purge? are we finally going to see a hardware survey that is actually representative of the pc gaming demographic?
>>721056395I live in the US and have to use a wifi hotspot for home internet.
>>721056619>printersfair>sound cardsNever had any issues with them on Windows. Unlike on Linux, which has given me sound issues every time I tried to use it.
>>721056784It says it affects 0.01% of the userbase. Read, motherfucker, read.
>>721056784If you think fractional percents weren't ignorable noise from hardware surveys 7 years ago, you're a special kind of retard, see >>721047507
>>721056792wtf anon why. Maybe dont live on a farm in the middle of a desert?
>>721056738>that anon must be on some real slav shit.The phone companies outright refuse to offer landline internet to my address. At least anything modern. I have a 1.5Mbps DSL line which was put in almost 20 years ago with a 150GB data limit, which they don't sell anymore, and have been passive aggressively trying to get us to cancel for years. I have to use a wireless hotspot for practically everything, and that thing is limited to 50GBs a month.
>>721056728Out of the box you weren't getting full speed on any 486DX2 without overclocking.
>>721056940>>721056956It's bait you dipshits. It was supposed to generate discussion regarding the validity of the steam hardware survey. If all the rigs running dota 24/7 on 1660Tis and some win10 client would disappear from the survey we would get some accurate data for once.
>>721057034>I have a 1.5Mbps DSL line which was put in almost 20 years ago Grim, I was on the roughly the same until a few years ago myself when some new guys came around and laid cable. I didn't have a data cap but my monthly bill was like $90 it was fucking stupid.Praying for you slowbro.
>>721056987>Maybe dont live on a farm in the middle of a desert?Move, in this housing market? Fuck that, I'll keep the house that's fully paid off and live with the shit internet.
>>721057109How is it not accurate data alreadyWhy are you so fucking retarded
>>72105710328 FPS is good enough. Or you could put it on low detail mode and get the full 35.
>>721057034>>721057119Ouch dude... that's fuckin aaaass. Normally i'd say something like "just sell your house that you fully paid for for a huge profit and then just buy another house with the profit"Then again who the fuck would wanna live in YOUR house? lol. Oh well, enjoy playing ancient games and watching 360p youtube vids i suppose lol
>>721056341At least with gahnoo you can modify the sources and compile them if you really need to. Less effort than with any MS OS. Not exactly easy either but still.
>>721057109Why are those rigs invalid? They are people playing video games on PC.
>>721045929>>721047748It's concerning how many people don't or didn't take y2k seriously because some retards thought that even microwaves would somehow stop working.I have a programmer relative who worked in a bank at the time and they had to work really serious overtime to fix the issue. That instant date swap would have permanently ruined every investment, loan, stock and contract had. I remember not seeing him at christmas in 98 because he was sleeping at work for weeks.Planes would never have fallen out of the sky but the economy would have crumbled in a single second.
>>721056738>I really don't understand how its just literally never gotten better.It has. These days printers will often work with even the generic drivers MS (lmao linux and the less said about BSD the better) includes. Might got get any fancy features but it will print. Go back to something like vista or XP - or even earlier for real fun - the printer either worked sometimes or "go fuck yourself" was the default state of being due to drivers being a complete shitshow that would even cause kernel panics when they spazzed out. If you like your printers extra spicy go back to the days before plug and play.Half of MS's efforts in kicking shit out of the kernel which massively increased stability of windows was/is being done precisely because so many really badly coded drivers kept pulling the OS down when they had a melty. Why yes, my printer driver SHOULD have no sanity checks in it and just write to any memory space it can find and fuck what anything else is doing.>BSOD
>>721057109>I WAS MERELY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDEDIt's 0.01%. Not 1/100. It's 1/10000.
>>721057113I think my slow internet is $90 while the fast internet is $50. I could upgrade to a $90 a month plan and get 100 GB of mobile data, but why bother? That's still not enough to download 2 games.
>>721057142>>721057235Because, right now, it shows the broadest possible picture. But that lacks accuracy. If you want to see what "the pc gaming" audience actually runs you have to include users that nobody who actually matters has anything in common with. The toaster user shouldn't even be a factor in a survey about the average aa/aaa/demanding games playing user, most commonly referred to as "THE pc gamer."
>>721057373> If you like your printers extra spicy go back to the days before plug and play.I forget the name of the plug but I remember them having thumb screws.Most recent printer I had was that horrific square USB variant and that was the LEAST useful one i've ever used. Take me back to the shit that didn't have its own fucking touch screen UI PLEASE
>>721057432>umm its not accurate because THOSE people play games that I DONT LIKEkill yourself my man you have no idea what "accurate" data is.
>>721057221How is wasting 2 days failing to compile Chrome on a Pentium 4 less effort than downloading Supermium in 2 minutes and it just working on XP?
>>721057445It would likely be some sort of serial port. >horrific square USB variantUSB type B. Still fairly common in printers.
>>721057473>THOSE people play games that I DONT LIKENo, THOSE people play games that NOBODY should care about when talking about a DEMOGRAPHIC. Or target audience.
>3rd world monkeys with 20+ year old hardware complaining about how stuff stops working for themyou should be picking bananas, not going on the internetyour presence is a nuisance
I would bet $1000 that nobody on this board is on a 32bit OS.
>>721057535You're still an illiterate monkey that doesn't understand that even the outliers make the dataset more accurate.When you start arbitrary culling, you no longer have the full picture.You are the autist screaming and crying over a 0.3% you allegedly don't even care about anyway.
>>721057432Who says that those people aren't representative of the average PC gamer. Even the people who build those super expensive 5090 ti builds just end up playing Fortnite and Minecraft on them most of the time.
Don't install Linux if you have an old laptop with both Intel and Nvidia graphics, that shit just requires way too much tinkering, I thought I would install Linux and it would just werk like people told me but instead my fucking desktop self deleted, iirc what I needed to do was Install some shit like bumblebee and enable my nvidia card but at that point I just switched to windows 10, worked fine until my laptop died. 64 bit too btw on a 2011 hardware
>>721057654> 64 bit too btw on a 2011 hardwareyeah no shit bro we moved on to 64 bit during win7's launch in 2009
>>721029091They held on longest in whole industry tho. Thats admirable.
>>721057535If the majority of PC players are poorfags playing Dota on 1050 TIs then that's what the PC demographic is, and you're the one who's wrong about them.
>>721057654Is that the Nvidia Optimus shit?
>>721057654Linux is bad on old AMD cards too. Anything GCN 1.0 is missing half its features because its stuck on the old drivers that lack vulkan support, while the new drivers only had experimental beta versions made for GCN 1.0, which have lots of problems like broken hardware decoding.
>>721057790Theres specific distros for old hardware but I have no idea what that would be, i'm a newfag into this linux shit but any of the major name distros are likely trying to stay new and modern or w/e.
>>721032518brazil
>>721057536Based and correct
>>721057595Anon be quiet you're going to wake the SEAniggers and shantytown African monkeys up!
>>721057717yes, I have a funny story about this shit too, so at one point after getting this laptop in 2011 I thought "hey why don't I upgrade my drivers" and did that, well I learned like 3-4 years later that driver wasn't compatible with my card and windows just disabled it, for like 4 or 5 years I was gaming on my Intel HD graphicsTM card, the only driver working was the one on the CD that came with the laptop and I think a couple of versions after that I managed to find on some Russian forum.
>>721057596>>721057612>>721057708Isn't survey even opt-in? What if a significant portion of the toasters aren't even included? What i want from Steam, in general, is lower numbers across the board. I want to be able to see the actual core of Steam users. What is the average config of players that play demanding games. Basically exclude all the dota-tier machines from every single stat. I want a hardware and MAU survey from players with at least a 2080 and who buy at least 3 full price games a year. That is the average PC gamer. I want the trash toasters and office rigs of minecraft, dota and cs playing guys who are bored at work to disappear from the platform in general.
>>721057919It's already time.
>>721057790Oh also my card was so old it didn't have vulcan support which is pretty essential for Linux gaming I think
>>721057859The distros don't change anything. The problem is with the kernel. It has terrible legacy driver support since nobody wants to write drivers for old hardware. A lot of really old GPUs just aren't supported at all like Voodoo cards, pre Radeon ATI cards, Savage cards, and a few others.
There's this thing for ancient GPUs on linux.https://github.com/pythonlover02/Proton-Sarek
>>721058017Why even have the hardware survey if you already know the results you want. You've already got this image in your mind of people playing on brand new high end Nvidia cards, so why bother checking to see who's playing with what?
Steam is shit I will not updoot.
The steam hardware survey is unreliable but gets taken as gospel because muh valve. If it was reliable they wouldn't have to periodically "correct" simplified chinese jumping +30% in a single month.
>>721058089That's for GPUs with Vulkan 1.1 support, but no 1.3 support. Those aren't that old, and most of the cards which might have that limitation are blocked from using Vulkan at all on Linux by lack of driver support for the feature.
>>721052140>Your inability to understand both the problems in play and the solutions AUTISM!
>>721029091I moved to 64-bit with Windows Vista, I see no reason why anyone in 2k25 would be using 32-bit
>>721058239Steam is ONLY really needed for some multiplayer cancer games and those "forever Denuvo" games from SEGA.Everything else? you dont need Steam if you catch my driftooo.Those 0.01% of boomer/poorfag clowns dont need Steam either lmao
>>721058183>Why even have the hardware survey if you already know the results you want.Because i want to see a hardware survey and player stats of players that i have something in common with. I want to see my demographic represented. Players with a PC built in the last 8 years, who spend at least $150 or $200 a year on new games and what games they player for how long. That is the player i care about.
why would anyone give a fuck? are you butthurt that your new motherboard doesn't have a serial port for your 'vintage' ball mouse? are you still mad your old AGP gpu isn't supported any more? why should anyone care what luddities want?
>>721058476For what purpose? The reason you have a hardware survey is to find out what hardware people are playing games on. If you filter out everything but one piece of hardware then that's not a survey, you're just counting how many people use that GPU.
>>721057351>the economy would have crumbled in a single second.Yeah right. Just like the Chase ATM glitch did.
>>721058581It's not about the GPU but all the stats related to that tier of PC. I want to hone in on that demographic. How active are they, what games do they buy and play for how long. Caring about or targeting the whole picture is always stupid.
>>721029091How long does Gaben have left
>>721057474>ChromeSad. Many such cases.
>>721058076So what's the common solution for those who want to use older PCs for running games on the hardware they were meant to be ran on? Older versions of distros and never try to update?
>>721059086Could just as easily be Firefox.
>2025>32-bitl o l
>>721060124Nobody needs more than 20bit address lines.
>>721029091LOL remember when /v/ sent Gabe a thank you collage and like months later decides paid mods are mandatory in steering PC communities going forward?
>>721051110>this means you can't launch any more 32 bit games AKA anything made before 2010 or soYou have no fucking clue what you're talking about, retard
>>721036947>a bitUnderstatement. She was fucked 6 ways from Sunday
steam killed a lots of things, such as games in physical format
>>721029275That's what they always sayThey're in cahoots with hardware and software manufacturers
Upgraded yesterday to windows 11, not sure if i'm going insane but taskbar feels gigafat
i stopped using a 32 bit windows 7 system in 2023
>>721063361I put the taskbar on the left side of the screen. It requires punching in values through registry though, since the OS hides the option from the system config menus.
>>721063681I like the middle option so far
>>721063739no you don't
>>721063782I feel like it requires less mouse movements if I want to click something
>>721063739it's okay if you're used to something like macOS, but I'm used to left-side vertical taskbar across all my OSes that I use
>>721029091Seriously, when steam says "we will no longer support windows 10". I'll be extremely mad.
>>721063814windows taskbar belongs in the bottom of the screendo not change the ancient ways
>>721048417But my linux machine from 2005 no longer runs steam!
>>721063870>do not change the ancient waysThe only thing I hate so far is the right click menu, why the fuck did they move most of the shit to a second window
>>721063867>tfw my pc is too old to run win 11Linux it is then.
>>721063942You can bring back the old version by editing registry values
Windows 10 is next.
>>721064035did that, now if only I could make the taskbar less fat
>>721064014>Dear steam users, we are announcing an end-date support for ALL Linux operating systems, except SteamOS
>>721029091Nobody even uses 32 bit W10. Not that they should have discontinued support for XP and 7 but what's done is done.Backup your Steam installation, registry, and apps folder. Make a copy of it and keep it safe. https://old.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/xt3xec/steam_offline_mode_has_no_time_limit_an/>>721056674based but I love shaders and you can't do those on 90s hardware
