Pathologic MorrowindMetal Gear Solid 2
Lobotomy Corporation
>>721039280okami
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Borderlands 3
Postal 2
Games cannot by definition be art. The sound design, cutscene direction and texture placement can all individually be artistic, but together they're anything but. A game that's beautiful and feels like a "playable painting" is still just a children's toy with prettier pictures.
>>721039650How about movieslop?
>>721039280witcher 3torchlight 2life is strange true colorsgod of war remakeuncharted 4asssassins creed odysseyquantum breakforza horizon 5
>>721039280https://store.steampowered.com/app/1665500/Hypnagogia__Boundless_Dreams/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3454610/Poco/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1703340/The_Stanley_Parable_Ultra_Deluxe/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3539440/Metal_Garden/https://store.steampowered.com/app/473950/Manifold_Garden/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1639790/Northern_Journey/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1745510/Lunacid/
>>721039650>Paintings cannot by definition be art. The oil, brush and canvas can all individually be artistic, but together they're anything but.
>>721039650midwit take
>>721039280Tactics Ogre [all versions]MorrowindSilksongElden RingStarfieldTentacles InvasionThink you can prove me wrong?Think again.If you disagree with any of my choices I can provide mathematical proof that you are retarded.
For me? It's Bloodborne.
Literally only one answer to this
>>721039847The act of playing a movie game invalidates its ability to be artistic. There is nothing artful about interactive mechanics.>>721040009So you think a bucket of paint can be artistic on its own if you say it is?
>>721040058I disagree with three of your choices
Contrarians may now begin their seething
>>721039280XenogearsPlanescape TormentLegacy of Kaine Soul ReaverPanzer Dragoon Azel
>>721039650>cannot by definitionWould love to know what definition you're using, would be a laugh.
>>721040140>There is nothing artful about interactive mechanics.https://youtu.be/JzS96auqau0you don't understand emotions
>>721040140What about interactive art installations? What about being interactive makes something no longer art?
>>721040241Games have rules that must be followed to some extent while art mostly does not. It's literally that simple.
Death Stranding. Both'em.
>>721040361There's been an ongoing debate for decades about the very thing you're describing and a lot of people don't like interactive installations because they limit the individual's ability to interpret the piece.
>>721040140>So you think a bucket of paint can be artistic on its own if you say it is?of course, especially in regards to the creation of it, which is half of what defines art to begin with it; the artistic process. It's genuinely amazing how different substances used to create oils, dyes, glues, etc... are created. Not to mention the brushes. They're beautiful sciences that, in their own right, are works of art, that can then be used as tools to composite an entirely different work.Your mistake is thinking a concept cannot be both a tool and a piece of art. Your removal of context is what deprives you of the critical thought your otherwise impeccably crafted mind would allow you.
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>>721039280Majora's MaskPerfect DarkMario 64Half-Life 2Marvel's Spider-ManKiller7God of War (2018)God of War (2010)Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of LibertyMetal Gear Solid 4: Sons of the PatriotsWario-Ware Get it TogetherSuper Mario OdysseySuper Smash Bros. MeleeResident Evil RemakeResident Evil 4Resident Evil 4 RemakeI'm sure there's more
>>721040378>games having fail states means they can't be enjoyed as artistic experiences and thus can not be qualified as artwhat country are you from?
Pre-hat TF2
>>721040378>while art mostly does notYou are conflating the process of art's creation with the process of art's engagement.
>>721040151>>721040151Retarded, trans AND nigger - mathematically.But also, chiefly, a coward for not being specific.
>>721040140>There is nothing artful about interactive mechanicsSo is dancing not artful?
Dark Souls 2
>>721039280Xenoblade Chronicles 3
Every 3D GTA game before V
>>721039280Okami PS2Metal Gear SolidShadow of the Colossus Outer Wilds
>>721040664Dancing at a party isn't artistic. Ballet is artistic. If you need that explained to you then there is no hope.
arguing whether something is or isnt art is normally a waste of time because every person has a different definition of art
>>721040664according to him, nopepaintings are the only true art in existencenothing else
>>721040058>>721040078>>721040669Fromslop is the opposite of art.
>>721039650Here we go. Art is not defined by it's medium, or tools, but by its essence, which is sublime. This is why many paintings of the past are considered art, and why many "paintings" of today should not. Games that reach this lofty criteria are rare, but they do exist, and being sublime expressions of the deepest feelings within humanity, they may be considered to be true works of Art.
>>721040780>Dancing at a party isn't artistic.yes it is
>>721040532>Doesn't mention any definition and also admits some games are art.
>>721040868Just say you want things to have soul and move on
FixFox(i know this game is not popular like other games, for me this game looks somewhat normal but i didn't played it yet. also, creator of this game (jaroslav) made a personal vow to never play or make violent games after visiting the peace memorial in hiroshima.)
>>721040861What's the opposite of Fromslop?
>>721040378>Games have rules that must be followedSuch a?
>>721040861Probably easier to just admit you're dogshit at games mate.
>>721040780>If you need that explained to you then there is no hope.You only put this here because you can't rationalize your shaky justification between your two earlier examples. I'll move on anyways and ask if free-from jazz is artful to you?
>>721040848The colors on a palette objectively cannot take on an artistic quality before they appear as some form or shape on a canvas.
>>721039280Art is just a label. It doesn't mean that it is good.
>>721040621He's completely right. The more people involved in the creation of a game, the less likely it will be genuinely good and sovlful.
>>721040378>Games have rules that you have to follow (sometimes you don't)>art doesn't (but sometimes it does)You are really gay
>>721041096Freeform jazz exists purely to spite the conventions of establishes genres like hard bop. It's not even music, it's just the audio form of contrarianism. I like Ornette Coleman but I don't take his shit seriously.
>>721039280All of them.Sometimes there is interference from those funding the project, stifling the natural expression desired by developers, but it's still art at the end of the day.Any human creation designed to evoke emotion of any kind is art, whether money comes into it or not does not matter. Painting are art. Games are art. Cars are art. Chairs are art. McMansions are art. Our separation from the people making it is what makes us doubt whether something as "value" as art. Even if somebody is designing an art piece solely with the intention of making money off of it, it is still a creative endeavor and took many days or years of their life to accomplish. Whether something is good art is entirely subjective, but everything from the Mona Lisa to a doorknob was created by a human to have some level of visual appeal to another human and thus is art.
video games arent art and neither is the mona lisa, literature is the only valid form of art
>>721041263It not being music doesn't answer the question on whether you think it is artful.
every game here is dogshit, boring pieces of shit. whoever popularize video games as a art, fuck you.
>>721041352>literature is the only valid form of artGay derivative bullshit. Story telling is the original and true art form.
>>721041292A doorknob can only look artistic, that doesn't mean every single doorknob in existence is actually capable of telling us about the human condition. You can't look at the selection of fancy doorknobs at Home Depot and grasp any higher meaning from it.
>>721041473>You can't look at the selection of fancy doorknobs at Home Depot and grasp any higher meaning from itSkill issue
>>721040621Books cannot be art if there is an editor, publisher, and cover artist, etc.Movies inherently cannot be art.Music by an orchestra cannot be art if someone can just fart in place of the tuba.
>>721041370I think it's a loaded question because it assumes random noises can be artistic, when that's entirely dependent on context. If I listen to free jazz in the wrong mood I'll just feel annoyed, like if I heard barking dogs. The fact that noise elicited a reaction does not give it artistic status, it just pissed me off.
>>721039280FIFA 23
Rain World (base game)
>>721039280ICOPostalPathologic
>>721041681>it assumes random noises can be artistic>which is sometimes true under the right contextSo do you think random noises can sometimes be artistic?
>>721041473Meaning is not an intrinsic trait to art. People will interpret meaning where there is none, or find none where it was intended. You can drop a pile of crap on the floor and if it happens to randomly form the shape of Jesus Christ's face, it has become art to many, despite no artistic intent from the one who dropped it. If I had to give a meaning to a doorknob it is simply to appeal aesthetically to people. This is also the purpose of more intricate things like architecture and few would debate that it is art. Aesthetic appeal can, in and of itself, be a meaning, but it is not necessary to art because the meaning is left up to interpretation. The artist could have created something that holds great meaning to himself and no other. Or something that he finds no higher, philosophical meaning in, but others speculate upon endlessly. 'Meaning' in art as a concept is - at best - in a superposition.
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>>721039538only correct answer in the entire thread
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>>721040140>So you think a bucket of paint can be artistic on its own if you say it is?its always extremely obvious whenever some simpleton on /v/ has never actually taken any time to study art history beyond a fascistic cursory and perfunctory view, setting things into categories that are "art" to him and things that are "not art"the art world has discussed shit like this to death and back for literally over a hundred years now
>>721040140>There is nothing artful about interactive mechanics.>>721040378Games have rules that must be followed to some extent while art mostly does not.So who's correct?
Shower With Your Dad Simulator 2015
Games that are art: >games I likeGames that are not art: >games (You) like
>>721040140>So you think a bucket of paint can be artistic on its own if you say it is?Yes
>>721042694>Games have rules that must be followed to some extent while art mostly does not.>So who's correct?a film generally has a linear motion through time. it has a beginning and an end, outside of the actual makeup of its narrative. as in, it literally starts, and at some point stops, in our human time. this itself is a rule that must be followed. what if you watched the godfather backward? is it still art? what about a game precludes it from being art? no, a game is art because it simply is. its not NOT art merely for having to be engaged with in a form different to other types of art before it.
>>721039280Cosmology of Kyoto
mgs 3taimanin asagiprison battleship
>>721039650You're supposed to be dead, Ebert.
>>721039280What I don’t like about these discussions is that the examples people in normie circles use are often games that could easily be movies without losing much, rather than games that truly rely on their mechanics to stand out from other artistic expressions like Tetris, for example.
>>721039280Clair Obscure: Expedition 33 is when video games became french art, or fart.
