Is there anyway to make the wizard archetype/playstyle viable without getting called easy mode/cheating?
casting spells costs semen in addition to mana
>>721208683just make the casting have side effects
tying the magic to the casters bloodmagic is only viable with ingesting magical thingsswap out long incantation times with spells exponentially speeding up your aging because manaIn general you can nerf magic with tedium &/ disproportionate cost.
>>721209104this killed Breath of fire and alienated the fanbase
>>721208683Just make everyone a wizard of some kind.
>Is there anyway to make the wizard archetype/playstyle viable without getting called easy mode/cheating?Yeah its called playing warlock
that game where you have to actually shout spells to cast them
Magicka element systemInvoker from Dota element systemdone
>>721209185yeah, it's hard to make transactions fun, especially when people have been conditioned to expect magic to only be gains without real cost
>>721208683Generally, no, under the hood, it's a long-range weapon with limited ammo (mana).In theory, you can make a survival horror about a wizard, but hard to tell if it would work
glass cannon
Magic is either OP gamebreaking funorUseless shit that's so heavily resource gated with gimped damage so that some faggot with a kitchen knife is dealing more damage than dropping an arena-sized meteor on an enemy would for some reason.
>>721208683No. Martial elitists will call magic babby easy mode cheating no matter what.
>>721209478Magic should be both of those at the same timelinear warriors, quadratic wizards
>>721208683A wizard that isn't OP is not a wizard.You don't ask nukes to stop being nukes.
>>721208683you start in lvl1, learn spells and become strong at lvl99
if magic is just more colorful guns/bows then its boringmagic should require prep and ritual and specific circumstances and then be incredibly powerful but a real pain in the assthe mages gameplay in the game should be entirely different from other classes. The places you go and what you do are entirely separate. (exploring akashic records that are full of puzzles or elemental plains or something where you can be more like 'guns but more colorful)Each class should be at least 50% its own unique game focused around the class' theme, only coming together for certain central goals.In such a thing a wizard would require martial protection to actually go to worldly places and have a chance to flex their magic because anyone could just rush the wizard and kill it before it can perform its elaborate setup.
>>721210110equating wizards to just being mindless death balls is as contradictory as you can get.The practice is inherently about INT.
>magic costs too much MP early game>alright in the mid game>gets outpaced and falls off in the lategame
>magic is slightly OP early game>mid-game it gets entirely shafted to just support skills>end-game is just having items that do what magic spells would but 5x better and 5x less tedious with no resource management or hotkey clusterfuck
>>721208683Mages are all about being strong and weak physically. They're viable because you can just take them out easily.
>every other class can move freely while attacking, have low commitment frames and recovery time>mage has to stand still while casting a spell for 2 to 3 seconds>if he or she doesn't chain spells together or interrupts a cast or spends too much time moving they lose a massive amount of damage, and would become a worse dps class than others>they have instant teleportation spells that help them move but can only be used on certain ground targets and allies and they have to plan ahead>you cannot reduce casting time with gear or buffs
>fotmren
>>721212196a spell that extends a month into 2 years
>flavor of the millennium frierenstay
>>721212835>first season ends>everyone shuts the fuck up about it and moves on aside from the ten children that had it as their first "le cereal" animeYes. That's how FOTM works.
>>721213212an illusion spell that helps anon turn his delusions into reality
>>721213303Nice xitter meme faggot
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>>721208683No. Because being able to nuke your foe from across the map is always the winning strat.
>>721208683Make casting spells more than just managing "mana" and waiting for cool downs. Have enemies constantly cast shit too, but non-wizards have a limited selection of spells and spell-like abilities tied to who/what they are.Domination mesmers from Guildwars 1 was great in that aspect, with their interrupts, blessing/curse stacking/recycling, etc. Force players to have to deliberately cancel long casts in favor of something faster and more opportunistic , rather than simply timing and spamming things.
>>721214608>No. Because being able to nuke your foe from across the map is always the winning strat.You could punish that by giving the enemy artillery that they'd otherwise be unable or unwilling to use once you close the distance.Sniped a few enemies in a row brazenly? Get AOE spammed by platoon or division's worth of mundane/magical artillery until you close the distance or exit the area all together.You can snipe important enemies here or there, but if that's going to be your full strat, prepare to get punished or face insane amounts of tedium.
>>721210335>the wizard archetype>just being mindless death balls
