Are there any games that are good for learning Japanese? JLPT N5 tier?
Any nintentoddler game
Literally any game with japanese text. Why do americans not know how to learn other languages? Just learn the basics and start reading (not watching or listening) to shit in the language you want to learn. Look up anything you don't know in a dictionary. That's it.
>>721636664This is going to sound crazy but pairing up the hiragana and katakana like that is literally giving me a headache to look atI feel like N5 tier is probably too early to use games but idk I just did flashcards and Anki for a long time. I like visual novels with dual English/Japanese display but again, probably not good for N5
>N5It's going to be very hard at this level. You should probably start with something like this - https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2110939339
>>721636917You can't really do it this way in a language that uses Chinese characters. There is no "learn the basics and start reading", since words are written with thousands of characters, so you need to spend a good while learning a good number of words in a sustained, repetitive way using flashcards or something. Of course, there are children's books, and some games might have furigana, but it's probably preferable to learn vocab first imoLearning Japanese is not like learning Spanish or French or something
>>721636664You should learn chinese instead of this dead language. The future is chinese, the future of gaming is chinese.
>been doing anki for 1 year>watched 10 cure dolly vidswhat's the next step
I got to N5 tier and just stopped improving, but that was in my prime. I'm never learning anything new ever again now.
>>721637662This is the correct answer, and I say that as a long-time Japanese learner looking to stop coping and start learning Chinese.He who learns Chinese in the next 5 years will be the same as knowing Japanese during the 80s to 2000s in terms of high quality native media. You laugh now, but the writing is on the wall. It was a meme for decades before because Chinese media was trash and not easy to engage with as a non-native, but the times have officially changed.
no, languages are tools used to communicate ideas. You can only learn a tool by using it. You can describe how a hammer works in one sentence or a million, but it's worthless compared to banging in a few nails let alone working on a real construction project
>>721637680You start browsing 2chan for quality content.
To anyone looking to start learning, try Wagotabi.
I am playing xiv and getting POUNDED HARD by BULLSHIT KANJI
>>721636664Play a game with furiganahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXICXCSIfrQ
>>721637662>>721637994Ik chinese is objectively the superior language to learn but tones are hard as fuck and it's like you NEED to join a class for it
anki is a retarded redditor's illusion of progress that doesn't help you learn anything>IVE MEMORISED 10 CARDS FOLDED 1000 TIMESsave your sanity and your time, pick up yotsuba and a dictionary and just read
>>721636664Wasn't there an indie JRPG that has combat which teach you Japanese?
>>721638609reddit hipster "my life is like a videogame" ass bullshit no fucking thanks
>>721636664Shujinkou
>>721636664Dead language.
>>721638706>retarded writers can barely fake even the slightest "ye olde japanese" style and just slap the first き、なり、ぬ、ん onto shit without actually considering their true grammatical functionJaps are literally as bad if not worse at this than English natives are at using thee/thou/thy and -est/-eth verb forms. Which is fucking hilarious to me because most of your 国語 classes are literally reading garbage that is written in those styles, which is not true for most English natives' compulsory language education.Also there isn't a single difficult word or Kanji in that screenshot.
Imagine still learning Japanese after silent hill f
>>721639237Bullshit. 深淵 is totally a rare word unless you're a big fan of chuuni bullshit
>>721638706呪術「じゅじゅつ」深淵「しんえん」取り囲まれる「とりかこまれる」危機「きき」嗚呼「ああ」我が「わが」華々しき「はなばなしき」魔力「まりょく」素晴らしき「すばらしき」豪炎「ごうえん」広がり「ひろがり」氷刃「ひょうじん」連なり「つらなり」雷撃「らいげき」無い「ない」散り「ちり」滅さん「めっさん」This was a bit of a bitch for some of the later ones.
Shashingo is made to teach Japanese https://store.steampowered.com/app/1632490/Shashingo_Learn_Japanese_with_Photography/
>>721639237I was forced to read and then write essays on two different Shakespeare plays and then some Chaucer nonsense too. Did you go to an "inner-city" school or something?
>>721637680Uhhh, start learning Japanese?
>>721636664>>721637662Most people who learn Japanese are chinese because chinese people write in Japanese and japan is china's biggest trade partner, its why only asians can learn japanese properly, Koreans, chinese and taiwanese write in japanese
>>721636664Just give up, AI translation in real time is the future. Or maybe do it out of interest in another life, when Japanese evolves into a less bullshitty language.
>>721640631Good job bro
FIFTY FUCKING TIMESYOU BITCH
>>721637662Just learn both.
>>721636664Just ignore anything jlpt related and start learning the language>Hiragana>Katakana>Anki + Grammar guide (pick your poison, Genki, Tae Kim, Cure dolly, etc etc)>Start reading/playing
>>721641151>Just give up, AI translation in real time is the future.People have been saying that for 3 years straight btw
>>721638960This is the best advice in this thread. If you just read and look stuff up as you read, frequent words will keep reappearing in the text, and you'll naturally remember what they are.
>>721641732Made much progress in studying Japanese over these 3 years?
>>721637662you are right but chinese sounds like shit, their squiggles look even uglier and I refuse to learn it
>>721642312I always read and play Japanese media in Japanese now
>>721636664Don’t be a retard, learn radicals, at least the most used ones after you learn the kana, it’s a natural progression and you will be able to identify and learn kanjis much easier because of it.
>>721636664Yes. Raw Anime.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug
>>721642507Why are Radicals so inconsistent? I must be missing something. 然 clearly contains 夕 and 大. But actually go fuck yourself gaijin 犬 is clearly a wildly different character.
>>721642214Nah, as soon as you have even the vaguest understanding of what the text is trying to say, you should drop the dictionary altogether. All it does is slow you down and stop you from using your context based intuition. You should only look up words when you still can't figure them out even after seeing them over and over again and it seriously bugs the shit out of you. Those words will stick with you long-term. But it's improving your language intuition that should take priority. Remember, there is nothing wring with partial understanding, or even misunderstanding the text. It will work itself out eventually as long as you don't rely on something else to understand it for you.
>>721643628Because radicals are not fucking lego blocks, their job is to let you find the kanji in a printed dictionary, and for this reason every kanji has only one. For your example that would be 灬.
>>721637680>using pre-made decksYou're stunting your learning. Anki is a great tool for keep in mind kanji compounds and readings that are somewhat less frequent. It's not a tool intended to teach you new kanji that you've yet to see in a proper context.You're not only wasting your time, you're turning "learning the language" into an unfun chore for no good reason.As you learn the language you will add fewer and fewer cards, which will make the obscure shit that you hardly see while reading stay young.
>>721643628That's not 夕 in 然Also radicals and components are two different things.
>>721644514It's simple though. Just do flashcards each day. I have no idea how to implement whatever you're talking about. I feel like the biggest obstacles to most hobbies is people trying to "optimize" their learning when just doing it consistently is more important. Like is it more important to have the perfect optimized workout, or just ACTUALLY make it to the gym 3x a week?
>>721644719Just make a new deck and add any word that you had to search for.If you already remember 食べる, there is no need to search it in a dictionary and add it, but if you encounter for example 低迷 and don't remember its reading or meaning, you'll have to search it in a dictionary, that's when you add the card to your deck, because you clearly need to "artificially (through anki)" see it more frequently than you're seeing it when you read.
>>721637552There is plenty of Japanese reading material that doesn't have any Chinese characters
>>721643827You have to have memorized a large amount of kanji to get to the point where you can do it from context alone though, because you'll end up knowing the meaning of words without knowing how they're pronounced.
>>721645086Then what's wrong with anki beginner decks? Every /jp/ or learn japanese guide recommends going through a beginner deck. I feel like it's been pretty helpful in just teaching a bunch of common words, also every card has a sentence example the word is used in so it's not like there is no reading
>>721645449>what's wrong with anki beginner decksNothing, there are good ones.>>721645449>Every /jp/ or learn japanese guide recommends going through a beginner deckI would normally do the opposite of what 4chan Japanese learning guides tell you to do. Using anki as your primary learning method is retarded.Example sentences are great, but most decks which are recommended as compiled by a bunch of amateurs who don't even speak Japanese, so I'd be careful. Reading a bunch of random sentences with grammar you have no idea about is not really the way to go.
When can I stop watching cure dolly? I swear someone said once to stop at video 34 but I forgot why
>>721645449I'm not gonna tell you to stop doing something that "worked" for you, but if after a year, it's still the only thing you've done to learn the language and you're yet not literate enough to read at a comfortable pace, then it didn't really help you at all.
>>721645992I'm genuinely surprised some people make it through that many without killing themselves.
>>721636664i've been going through P4G with OCR dictionary. i've played the game like 5 times in english so I know the script really well already, nice training wheels or so I think
how do I "look up japanese words in a dictionary" if I don't have a japanese keyboard? How do I even look up a word
>>721645393Well, you have to pick your poison. But it's nothing so drastic as having to memorize all the 常用 before you can start doing anything. Recognizing them in context is far easier than that. And it becomes invaluable once one reaches the latter half of the N1 batch, which can be ridiculously contextually useful.
>>721636664WaniKani is essentially a game
>>721646293Have you considered just buying a Japanese keyboard
>>721645992You don't. You should watch the whole playlist, and rewatch it as you keep learning. It's by far the best grammar guide that's ever existed.
>>721646293IME.Windows comes with one, but some people recommends google's:https://www.google.co.jp/ime/In linux you can probably find several different packages that you will never get working anyway.
>>721636664I remember when i was trying to study japanese, Hiragana and Katakana were piss easy, but as soon i got into grammar i stopped trying alomost immediatly. I still recognize all the characters in that pic at least
>>721646692>In linux you can probably find several different packages that you will never get working anyway.Mozc. Works perfectly fine, by the way.
You faggots are practicing for JLPT with previous years' test questions, right? December is just than 3 months away
>All this time wasted in studying a language only spoken in a remote island by a dying civilization
>>721645393>>721646383Also, try these:https://juniorbunko.jp/published/Pick a novelization where you already know the context. Many of these adapt the source movie scene by scene, so you can progress in parallel. Also like most 児童書 they put furigana on everything. Other publishers have similar labels too if you don't like the lineup.
>>721647638It's like >>721642324 said, I know Chinese is massively more practical to learn but it's ugly so I don't even care.
>>721640506>深淵 is totally a rare wordAnon I fucking hate to pull frequency data on you but 深淵 is absolutely not a rare word.Want to know what's a rare word? 風声鶴唳.
>>721647638I guess we all learn chink and jeet languages then. Maybe whatever those sandniggers speak also.
>>721648042>top 11900>not a rare wordAnything over the 10k mark is by definition rare.
>>721648267Even N1 takes its vocab from ~18k words.
>>721647638What language do you suggest to learn then? Please, no copouts like saying English is enough.
>>721648509Ainu
>>721648509spanish
>>721648509Learn Latin so you can quote obtuse Roman sayings at people. They love that.
>>721648267You are one delusional motherfucker. 洋館 is what I would consider a common word that everyone knows, yet it finds itself notably less frequent than 深淵 in the types of media with which you are like to engage."Rare" is shit you see once a year at best while absolutely guzzling down LNs and shit.
>>721640506You do not read at all.
>>721648509Hellenistic Greek
>>721648737Regretfully I just read your stupid post
>>721648720洋館 is not a common word, dude. Anything over 15k is uncommon, anything over 30k is rare.
>>721640506You could have picked 豪炎 which doesn't even have a jpdb entry.
>>721648894Youkan is so common that it literally shows up in Pokemon games, my man.
>>721647904Chinese is only practical if you want to die in an execution van
>>721648720Oh boy everyone loves a semantic argument on what "rare" means. For me, personally, (if this wasn't already clear) rare is a word outside the 10k fluency mark. Something you'd not need to communicate with a native. Like corpulent in English would be rare. Sialography would be very rare.
Learning Japanese is great and all, but why even try if your only interest is about retarded vidya and sometimes anime? Imagine learning English to understand what the actors from cuckold pornography are saying.
>>721649268We can play this game all day. Every kid and their mama in Japan knows what 鬼火 is, and everyone in this thread would agree that this is a common word that everybody should know, even newer Japanese learners, because it shows up all over the place in vidya. But the frequency data tells us that it's """"rare"""" which, by all rights, it is not.
>>721636664The newest pokeyman games have furigana.
>>721649632I truly don't care enough to argue semantics. Scratch this into your wall tally-marks as another internet slap fight hard won bro. You've earned it.
>>721636664You might wanna start learning all the basic kanas first anon.
>>721649856They take 2 weeks to learn at most.
>>721645180Learning only hiragana or katakana is fucking dumb and wont get you anywhere near even basic reading level. Youd need to learn about 10,000 Kanji to reach a good level of literacy.
>>721636664https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/Read one article a day until you can breeze through all of them
>>721650094>10,000 KanjiYou wot m8?
>>721647638you and I will both die before any of the languages either of us decide to learn will
>>721636664look up "Kanji Study"it's the only thing I paid money for when learning japaneseYou don't have to finish it all. You just have to keep writing until japanese stops looking like jumbles of lines. Obviously you're reading in the meantime to evaluate how they look in your brain.
>>721650148>https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/my Japanese teacher recommended too. very cool and yes these articles are easy to read.
>>721636664nigga just use a drill app
>>721651360Try watching actual news too once in a while too. It's one thing NHK actually lets people watch overseas:https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/ja/ondemand/video/
