Its a perfect game

The installation times and loading times are too long
It's not on PC

>>722130237
1 hour cutscenes
I have a life

It insists upon itself.

>>722130237
It has the best gameplay in the series and the main game gives you nowhere to experience it. You had to have played Metal Gear Online to really experience the depth of the core gameplay.

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>>722130237
It's stuck on PS3.

It’s a great game. Don’t like cutscenes? You can skip them. I’ve had enough of this faggotry.

>>722130237
The story sucks, there was no need to answer absolutely everything. Less is more.
Gameplay is fantastic but you get to play 2 chapters out of 5

>>722132613
>there was no need to answer absolutely everything
That's what Kojima said at the end of 2 and he got death threats from the fans for it. Also, Konami was going to go ahead with another Metal Gear no matter what so they had to answer those questions that were never meant to be answered.

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>>722130237
The B&B cutscenes (Beauty form), despite being top tier eye-candy, didn't age well and truly insist upon themselves but unironically

>>722133078
That includes the Beauty "fights" as well, forgot to add

>>722130237
its stuck on ps3 forever

>>722133194
>>722133194
Literally days ago they said that Master Collection Volume 2 is still being worked on.

>>722130237
Kojima clearly didn't want to make it

>>722132731
Maybe he should've grown a fucking pair, didn't he say recently he knows "many ways to kill someone" or something?
>Also, Konami was going to go ahead with another Metal Gear
Is that not what he wanted? Sounds to me like he couldn't let go of his project

>>722133591
Anymore assumptions you'd like to make like you're some know it all piece of shit?

>>722132008
This it has the same problem as re6 honestly, and strangely...well re6 has way more problems too.Everything was NANOMACHINES after eyars of theory crafting on vamp especially but the game is climactic and has a sense of finality that no other series does. Even though V exists now. I dislike a lot about it, but I at this point wouldn't change much in the story at all and I think mgs altogether is one of the most cohesively written stories in vidya. The big boss shit still makes me tear up even that image gets posted. Mgs4 has no gameplay but great gameplay systems. Chapter 3 is abhorent. But 1-4 and pw really are soemthing amazing and all of them unique. Mgs4 is a masterpiece and I'm glad I truly think so instead of crying about it

MGS4 is amazing. I will never forget watching it on release. Best 500 I ever spent. I hated how

Why is there an old man in it? I want to play as a young, virile man

>>722130237
Imbalance of cutscene-to-gameplay ratio. Everything there is good, just need more gameplay.

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>If you don't want to be a prisoner to fate, then go fulfill your destiny.

>>722130237
Retcons all the good shit before it, barely any gameplay elements, actually one of the most spiteful pieces of media created wrt its treatment of Solid Snake. Fuck Kojima

>>722130237
>makes Snake a miserable old man because he hates the franchise now
I'll never forgive Kojimbo for this

>>722132008
Act 2 is as good as it gets

>>722132008
Wish I was an unc so I couldve enjoyed mgo2 instead of being 5 years old

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>>722130237
Good gameplay, not enough of it.

>>722130237
Is it hard to explain it without seething? Maybe one of the most seethe preventative games ever.

>>722130237
I wanted more like it. Not mgr and mgs5. The original version of mgr was gonna have stealth and be a prequel to 4.

>>722132008
>It has the best gameplay in the series and the main game gives you nowhere to experience it.
Bingo. Great game with little to no time to actually enjoy it.

>>722130237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93-_r0w7ykI

>use octosuit
>go back to mgs3 and manually change camo
nn-noo mgs3kun

>>722130237
Ik an MGS and Kojima fanboy, but frankly the cutscenes are not even the problem but rather there is not enough mgs. Only chapter 1 has enough sneaking around

>>722133930
Yeah I assumed you were a thin skinned bitch, thanks for the confirmation

>>722136928
>3.5 hr video on a 20 hour game, half of which is cutscenes
kys zoomer

>>722130237
Not enough regular gameplay it all goes to shit after the first two acts, too many bad set pieces, story is not good, bad on purpose in fact.

>>722130237
4 is a total mess but it still feels like a MGS game at the end of the day. V does so much right but it feels like a different thing entirely, and with hindsight all the time spent in the Big Boss era feels really unnecessary.

I played Delta and enjoyed it but something of the original charm is gone. Doubt I’ll play the other inevitable remakes, just gonna get Big Boss rank on MGS1+2 and put the nostalgia behind me. Thanks for reading my blog post.

>>722137119
MGS3 is the worst to go back to

I'm actually playing through it for the first time right now, just got to Shadow Moses and that was a nice surprise. There's a lot to like about it I think. The only things really tearing down the experience are the godawful frame rate and the shit PS3 controller, which is pretty awful in retrospect. If we get a PC port and it sticks to at least 60 I reckon a lot of people will love it again.

>>722136928
>3.5 hour video
He said WITHOUT seething anon

MGS4 should've been a fucking gold standard for any game that isn't a generic open world or cinematic shooter thing, in terms of movement and controls. Instead the industry willfully streamlined itself so hard that you'll be lucky if a game has a goddamn crouch button, and even cover systems have partially evaporated in favor of just hop and shoot like everything's Ratchet & Clank or arena rules with retarded modern design on top. There's not a single good modern TPS stealth action game that isn't tremendously streamlined now.

>>722130237
The first thing you see when you load the game is spoiling the plot. Every dumb bitch on my youtube's feed who was playing the game made a comment about how they "saw it"

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>>722130237
Act 3 is a chore, Act 4 gets a bit samey, the writing is objectively not good (but I fucking LOVE it)

Realistically, it's an 8/10 game that offers THE BEST METAL GEAR SOLID GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE out of the first four mainline titles. Acts 1 and 2 are pure gas and make my dick rock hard

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>>722140090
"saw it"
Snake doesn't kill himself, anon.

>>722140408
Game is ruined when you see where it's headed already, it should have came out of left field

>>722140705
Anon, there's a lot more to the ending than that one specific scene to the point that there's more that happens after it. It's retarded, but the entire point of the gun in the mouth bit is to fake you out.

>>722137119
>>722138097
Delta fixes this

>>722140905
incoming remake seethers

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>mfw people prefer MGSV's open world emptyness, filler missions and mute characters over MGS4
Yes it's a movie game, but that's what MGS has always been.

>>722140817
Yes that's exactly the point, right when you start the game, people now know
>Snake is going to...
>wait no of course it's a fake out why else would they show it in the main menu
Of both points the emotional impact is now ruined. The only thing you have left are the guest appearances

MGS4 had the balls to end the series which probably made shareholders shit themselves in rage

>>722141062
Can we fuck

>>722140817
>>722140408
I was actually really disappointed Snake didn't shoot himself in the end after Kojima teased that a lot in the trailers as well with camera rotating around Snake sitting in a chair gun in his own mouth Akio Otsuka talking about this being his last mission last punishment etc. like a depressed old man.

>>722141112
If shareholders wanted money, they'd make an MG1 remake already.

>>722130237
I thought farts and diarrhea could have figured a lot more prominently than they did. There were times I wondered if Kojima was even involved in making the game

Gameplay good. Story bad. Setting concepts: god tier.
Gameplay to cutscene ratio: Just the worst.

>>722130237
Nanomachines

It's the only game where I dozed off for like an hour during a cutscene and it was still going when I woke up.

>>722132570
Bruh, you skip the cutscenes and snake might be on a different fucking continent

>>722130237
Game is fun as hell for the first 2 acts.
Then it becomes a literal movie.

>>722130237
It's been around 16 years so excuse the lack of details

I wish I could play MGO2 without doing all that shit.

Drevin was largely worthless and functioned only as an exposition merchant.
Beast and Beauty unit were just rehashes of the old shit
SIXAXIS support was a complete meme
REX slapping RAY's shit made no sense (It was still sick)
Act 3 was not fun on the replay
Act 4 is hard carried by nostalgia (I did 3 then 4 then 1 then 2)
Act 5 was too much of combat, cutscene, combat
Raiden didnt serve much of a purpose in the narrative, same with Vamp
Kojima doing that "its not paranormal, its just nanomachines OH WAIT IT'S ACKSHUALLY PARANORMAL TEEHEE" shit because he thinks it's deep story telling
Kojima thinking he was being smart with the whole "First Person Shooters train you to be a soldier" statement, when the plot of most CoD games is about "war really fucking sucks and despite doing awesome things, the awesome shit is NOT worth it."

Beyond that, great game.

>>722141363
The setting of 4 is the best in the series and more interesting than the actual story.

>>722130237
kojima bad

>>722141942
Oh wait, the fucking Big Boss retcons and all that at the ending. The ending sucks ass
>the game builds up to Snake having to isolate himself because FOXDIE
I accept it, despite how maudlin it is.
>HOWEVER
>Spend most of mgs3 with weirdo dudes giving advice
>the wierdos are ACKSHUALLY the patriots the entire time
>Snake would have no concept of who Zero was, much less why his vegetative crippled state necessitated execution
>from snake's pov, big boss just killed some random old guy
>big boss rambles about shit that would make no sense to Snake

>>722142132
From Snake's pov that entire last scene must be the most confusing moment of his life, which is really saying something

>>722130237
it's too good that filtered out normalfags

>>722130237
it's a perfect movie, hate the parts where I actually need to pick up the controller, although I don't need to do much

>>722142132
To be fair Snake has been fighting with the guy's creation for his entire life, I think it's natural for him to see Zero's face and hear his motivation (from BB)

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It's a sequel to one of the greatest games of all time, it's an impossible task.

I remember finished MGS2 and finding out the tiny bit about the patriots in that and the ending with the "the 12 wise men committee... they're all dead, over 100 years ago"

It felt like a deep conspiracy but it turns out it was just some AI made by Big Boss's old boss, a medic and a black guy who acts like a movie star. Was boring as fuck. An awful twist.

MGS2 was the perfect game

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>>722130237
Gameplay ends after Act 2, once the boring tailing in eastern Europe begins the game has no gameplay

>>722130237
Happy Birthday, Snake

Well it can't be played for like a half an hour every now and then. If you play MGS4 you better set aside a whole weekend.

>>722130237
There's a wedding in it and they actually cuck snake with some shids and fart guy because Meryl hit the wall and couldn't get anyone older than her so she married the younger shids and fart guy.

I can't believe no one mentions this shit, there's a fucking wedding in the game, what the fuck.

>>722130237
Kojima made a fake interview at the beginning of MGS4 to berate David Hayter. He has hated that motherfucker for a long time. https://youtu.be/dwDquO8TVf0

But no, it's actually a great game with hilariously long exposition that he trimmed down significantly in V. Of course that's because Keifer charged by the line and his rates were significant.

>>722144157
MGS2 is proof that sometimes you shouldn't explain everything.

>>722144564
MGS2 is proof that Kojima was fucking sick and tired of Metal Gear and wanted to do something else even all those years ago

>>722144564
Do you mean 4? Because 2 didn't explain much at all but 4 sure did.

>>722144929
i guess

>>722144929
2 was going for an "it's all a simulation" thing and really could have just ended there. But then MGS3 came along and now there are buckets of ridiculous lore

>>722135912
THIS

>>722144157
The twist makes the world so small, it takes the Patriots idea away from being an interesting concept and metaphor with a lot of mystique and makes them a shitty super villain team with dumb motivations that primarily exists off screen. They aren't even good characters.

>>722130237
>what's wrong
nothing
it's seething poor pclards and other pajeets that couldn't afford a $50 ps3 to play it
it's actually very good, the best classic mgs formula has ever been before going full ubisoft style open world

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What's the cutscene to engaging gameplay ratio like in MGS4?

Too much sexual content, doesn't jive politically overall. How can I talk about what a good game it is when for some reason I'm in a fashion shoot with the boss villains something about it is strange.

>>722145385
How would MG4 even work on modern systems? The whole thing is practically a PS3 experiment

>>722145545
That's what the tards at Konami have been trying to solve for the past 2 years.

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>>722130237
It has like 38h of cutscenes.
Also Snake is old and gay in it
Imagining pairing High Definition Meryl with the literal joke character that shits his pants and Snake ends up dead and raising a kid with Otacon

>>722145545
They had a 360 port but decided not to do it because of the blu-ray drive being an external attachment and the market for that sort of game, and the Metal Gear Arcade port on PC and mobile for the time was running the same engine and assets. By all means, if any source code is still lying around, that sucker can run on anything today, even technically the Switch despite the massive install size.

>>722144235
The tailing isn’t actually as bad as I remembered it being. The guy doesn’t move when Snake’s not following him so you can take your time and explore Europe.

The arm robots and Gekko on Shadow Moses genuinely suck though.

>>722145351
Motherfucker that shit was $500 dollars at launch which in 2006 was way more adjusted for inflation

>>722145879
there was no mgs4 at launch you retard
it became $299 in 2009, stop coping, surely pclards with a $3k pc can easily afford a $300 or $600 console
zero excuses

>>722145243
Yeah we went from
>Ancient Conspiracy Illuminati that might've been replaced by AI
To
>Yeah, it's basically Big Bosses old friends that made some AI that went bad
Imagine if you will, if after all the reveals in Deus Ex, right after Paul tells you of the conspiracy behind UNATCO, FEMA, M12, Illuminati and what not, the endgame reveals that actually, all those ancient global conspiracies were actually made by Ms. Mr. Denton's former Fantasy Footballs buddies

>>722130237
One instance that was quite telling
> Dr.Clark was clearly refered to as “he” multiple times, as well as his 2D sprite from a game I completely lost which he looked like Albert Einstein
> kojima smooked some serious shit post Snake Eater
> loooool Dr.Clark is actually Paramedic… you remember her? That geeky animal loving bitch from the last game? Now she is actually the mad scientist who has no problem performing inhumane experiments on people looool

Missions are too bland, too much forced railroad shooting missions, not enough stealth gameplay, no reason to really use any game mechanics. it is good but the missions are overall pretty bad

>>722130237
I think it's a good game but i consider it the weakest MGS
more cutscenes than actual gameplay
too much fun service

>>722144504
Kill yourself incel

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>>722145989
>Dr.Clark was clearly refered to as “he” multiple times, as well as his 2D sprite from a game I completely lost which he looked like Albert Einstein
You're thinking of Pettrovich Madnar.

>>722146145
Oh.. maybe that old thread was full of shit or I misremembered
However, Solid Snake did refer him as “he” in MGS1 with Naomi. This one I’m 100% certain

>>722145702
Meryl was always a joke
>terrible soldier and only got her job through nepotism
>overbearing daddy issues
>constantly jobs and never accomplishes anything cool
Only fitting that she’d be dicked by the funny poopoo diarrhea man

They should've stopped at 3. After they started explaining everything it was just really retarded and lame. 4 especially felt like Kojima going "you want metar gearu geimu? fine stupid asshore gaijin" and like he made the whole thing out of spite to get people to shut up.

>>722146246
Yes, no one will contest the genderswap. Clark was explicitly referred to as a guy in MGS1. However, it didn't actually start with 4. S1 had a novelization that genderswapped Clark for whatever reason despite still never having an on-screen role, and for even more nebulous reasons beyond that it's what Kojima decided to stick with.

>>722130237
The writing fucked over the best snake hands down. Making him old was retarded and Kojimbo did it just out of spite.

>>722146273
This shit still pisses me off
> Snake risked his life to safe her sorry ass … she dumped him. More frustrating if you considered the MGS2 VN shit as canon
> Did this funny diarrhea guy CPRed me ONE time?? Something that any lifeguard would’ve be able to anyway???? PLEASE FUCK MEEEEEEEEEE

>>722130237
Most of the first half of the game sucks, Drebin and his B&B exposition sucks, "nanomachines" as the explanation for everything sucks and Sunny being a super genius computer whiz that made FOXALIVE to keep all the good parts of the Patriot systems in place sucks.

>>722130237
>without seething
Impossible. Kojima deserves all my fury and righteous indignation for having the gall to make such a flagrant self parody farce in the first place.

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>>722146467
> that very old video who memed “NANOMACHINES” into existence
> remember all those Kojima cocksuckers seething at him in the comments back then

>>722146419
Is it confirmed she dumped him, I always thought he dumped her to go back to being a soldier and didn't want to involve her with such a dangerous life

>>722146412
I thought it was a meta thing. Funny to think that a 20 year franchise was considered something to mock for going on for too long, yet Kojima sucks off Hollywood, the most uncreative hacks who refuse to let a series die as long as there is profit to be made.

>>722130237
Shits on mgs2 hard

>>722146467
Also they completely abandoned the whole Liquid Ocelot explanation they set up in 3 for an even dumber one.

>>722145840
I think they'd have to rebuild MGS4 from the ground up honestly. It was really experimental and proprietary at the time

>>722146467
The first half is the good part, it's where all the good gameplay is and before they make the really, really dumb reveals

>>722146565
IIRC he left her in MGS2 to go fuck off with Otacon. I like Meryl but I thought it made sense they didn't stay together. Meryl was inherently too light, innocent, and normal for Snake

Kojima has always been a spiteful cunt

And they called video game archivists schizos

>>722147314
He did make MG2 in response to Konami making Snake's Revenge. I think there was a good period where he was just making cool stuff with some nice messages from that point up until MGS3, though, then the sincerity takes a backseat to Kojima grappling with being misunderstood.

>>722130237
Nanomachines, son

>>722146706
Yeah that's about the only thing going for 4, it just might actually be better than Raiden Gay Adventures part 1. (Metal Gear Rising was part 2)

If they can't figure out a way to make MG4 not PS3 exclusive in 10 years it will literally be YouTube exclusive

>>722147590
>MG4
MG4 is MGS2.
I'm sure in 10 years MGS4 will run fine in emulators if someone actually wants to play that trash

>>722146724
"Possessed transplanted arm" isn't really less stupid than "hypnotized himself to act as another guy"

>>722148014
But demonic possession or whatever is at least honest bullshit. MGS4 trying to explain it with some pseudoscience while taking itself entirely seriously feels tonally much worse.

>>722147801
It's actually playable now, native, non-upscale 4K videos are up on YouTube and in significantly higher quality than the PS3 could have ever put out

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>>722148651

Desu it feels more like a metal gear game than MGSV
MGO2 was absolutely kickass
Plot got a little too wacky but it also had some very kino moments.
Cutscenes were too long for normies.
Not a bad game overall, just not as rock solid as the previous 3

>>722146273
She was a joke as a soldier, she was fine ass romantic interest
Significantly better than some gay pairing with Otacon

Were people angry that they made johnny an actual character? Or angry that he won meryl?
I actually think his character arc is cool

>>722148897
>t. Johnny Shithispants

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>>722148651
But in 10 years even poverty nigger turd worlders can emulate it. Apparently right now they can't since there are always these posts in MGS4 threads how it isn't emulatable.

>>722148928
>was a noname jobber who shit his pants
>became a main character and got the girl
Johnny is inspirational

>>722148897
I didn't even like Meryl's pairing with snake and i thought the johnny was shit. Turned from a lovable joke character to some weird ass fuck that tried to molest Mei Ling that looks like fucking Prince Charming from Shrek.

>>722146136
Looool we have fat images unmarried feminist femcels here? Looool you disgusting ugly bitches get triggered when Meryl is called a pussy wall whore who married a shids and fart loser? Ahahahahahhahaha! You will never get a husband and I'm already married to a 19 year old as a 38 year old man.

>>722130237
It takes a departure from stealth which is central to the franchise. I still liked it though.

>>722150597
yeah that section of mgs2 was good, but soon after it turned to shit

>>722138513
No. More people playing it and revisiting it will open peoples eyes like what happened to MGS3 did with that remake.

4 really suffers from not being able to play it too long without running into a cutscene. Not to mention that if you get caught and fight a gecko, you might as well just kill yourself because the enemy is unfun to fight against.

For all the problems 5 has, at least you can play that game against regular human enemies

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>>722151690
Tastelet
Complete and utter tastelet

>>722152235
NTA but you cant be serious that you actually like the big shell? Like forget the fact that you play a huge faggot with his fake gf constantly calling him, the big shell itself is fucking terrible.

>>722141062
anon the other games has codacs its not the same

>>722144157
>MGS2 was the perfect game
till you play it a 2nd time and big shell is the most boring shit

end of act 2
ALL of act 3
most of act 4
ALL of act 5

>>722134805
rip anon. we'll never learn what he hated

>>722145187
it's all a simulation
how does soildus and the cunny die then if it was all fake unc

>>722145243
its not talking about the paritots its talking about the philosophers there the cabal that (zero) stole all the money from to make the paritots but kojima changed his mind as he does ever game with the story so you move names and it makes more sense

>>722145840
>They had a 360 port
but they could of done it on 6 discs anon the normal xbox didnt even have enough size for mgo2 but they could of done it I swear

>>722130237
barely a video game

>>722145928
there still port begging for it now when you can get the game cheaper with a ps3 then you can delta (demon souls then)
if its not on steamy they bitch and moan

>>722130237
Locale's change too fast
no VR missions
too much movie for too little game
Old Snake is a fun concept but playing the whole game as him is tiring

>>722147590
can you control these youtube videos? is that how you do your gaming on youtube? played demon souls and BB in you're cuck chair watching youtube too?

>>722130237
Every time you like a section or a mission it's almost ways followed up by a section you hate. You can't just stop and enjoy the game in an area for a few hours, you get pulled out almost immediately for some gimmick that almost everyone recognizes is bad.

>>722130237
It flanderized beloved characters that hadn't been seen since MGS1, making their reappearance give a bad aftertaste.

The cutscenes are somehow longer and more frequent than in MGS3 and yet worse in pacing and eventfulness. A lot of scenes where characters literally just sit around and talk.

It has the "Trilogy End" problem which a lot of finales fall into, including games like Mass Effect 3, where they are so aware that "this is the END" that they kind of force characters to do things and say things that are out of character, just to force a sense of finality, like Naomi suddenly siding with Vamp and then revealing they both have cancer and die immediately from it because she stops taking "nanomachines".

Another issue with MGS4 is that the canonical "final chapterness" of it override its original thesis as a standalone game less than halfway into it. The start of MGS4 is interesting. It showcases a plausible future where total surveillance and government control over technology has reached warfare, and even people can only function until government overrides their control with "nanomachines". And while they keep talking about the nanomachines through the entire game, the stuff about warfare and propaganda that was seen in chapter 1, and that weird intro with the TV channels never comes back. The back half of the game is dedicated to "Classic MGS" masturbation moments, and by the end it's little more than a character driven bonus-chapter to the previous games which forced a lot of fake character arcs, and had a very muted message about ID-tagging in war, while MGS1 was totally about cloning and genes; MGS2 was about Digital manipulation and Information Control; MGS3 was about patriotism.

MGS4 just feels a bit unfocused as a whole. It checks all its boxes but the execution is lacking, unlike previous games.

>>722153172
another anon that cant let go

thread about mgs4
for some reason some guy is posting mgs2 images

>>722153236
Whatever that means. I don't even see myself as a "classic MGS fan".

I played MGS3 Snake Eater 3D first on my 3DS in 2013. Then I bought MGS4 and didn't know what the fuck was happening. Back then I thought MGS was a "funny series" because of all the poop humor.

Then years after that I played MGS2 on PS3, and years after THAT, I played MGS1 on emulator. And then MGS5 came out. Wait, that was 2015 wasn't it? Okay, so it felt like years but it was in short succession.

But like, I never actually played them in order until 2021 or so, and my experience of MGS4, doing so, is what I wrote.

All that said, I actually found that MGS1 -> MGS2 -> MGS3 -> MGS5 -> MGS4 is a very satisfying and "complete" sendoff to the franchise.

>>722144235
Return to Shadow Moses is great tho

>>722153536
ahh you a tendie I see

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>>722130237
Fuck MGS4 apologists. Where as the goddamn game? it was just one big boring movie, you barely even got to play it and the times that you did get to play it was just a brief pause for a breath of fresh air before being pushed back into more cutscene traps. It was only salvaged by Metal Gear Online 2 at the time, but now that it's completely dead it aged like shit. It is singlehandedly the worst game in the entire series.

>>722143752
That part wasn't Kojiumbo's doing, he wanted to kill both Otacon and Snake at the end

>>722130237
It's was made by Hideo and not Kojimbo

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Play MGO

>>722153514
It's hard to top the best MGS game

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>>722147801
anon i have it on my pc and have beaten it twice. its like 30 gb but plays great at 1440 60fps

kojima captcha

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MGS4... home...

>>722153636
mgo2 if you played the game you could of played the only time metal gear had a good online

>>722130237
Theres like 14 hours of cutscenes and despite some kino, many segments are just sub-par with the dialogue and acting.

The game tries to tie up every loose thread and many plot points get unsatisfying resolutions (Sigint and Paramedic are the patriots? U wot?)

The scenes with Johnny (guy who shits himself) would deserve their own thread.

The game is all over the place thematically. The game starts with a clear focus on war and information control, then it's vampires fighting cyborgs, nostalgia etudes and robot kaijus wrestling. It's good, but retarded.

I really really like Ocelot however.

Vol 2 can't come quick enough, apologists to be put down.

>>722153952
>The game is all over the place thematically
Actually it's pretty tight thematically. People focus too much on the "muh nostalgia" or "this is criticizing game series that keep going forever!!" (bullshit) but MGS4 is actually about the pipeline of automation into stagnation. You know these memes about "late game capitalism", well that's kind of what MGS4 is actually about. The systems trained for long enough and they're optimized now, they're "efficient", but at the cost of killing human creativity.

>>722153952
Sigint and Paramedic being in the Patriots makes perfect sense, we already knew from MGS3 that Zero was the originator, and his good friends are.. well.

I do find it fucking hilarious that Donald Anderson, the guy who died before MGS1's events and replaced with Decoy Octopus.. basically created the A.I's that are the core problem of the later series.

>>722154292
when AI takes over and no one can do anything they go wow kojima right again like two

>>722154532
I mean.. he WILL be right again, so..

>>722154532
Yes AI sloppa (not just the pictures) is part of it and it's already quite widespread

We're following carefully crafted sets of patterns in incredibly complex interconnected systems that make our lives possible but at the same time where do the individual stand in that

>>722153172
>like Naomi suddenly siding with Vamp and then revealing they both have cancer and die immediately from it

Still mad. Naomi was like the one MGS1 character other than Otacon that SHOULD have been there because of that foxdie thing but just got shoved into completely irrelevant tangents and got flat out character assassinated. In MGS1 she was always driven by personal motivations(literally mocked by liquid) but in 4 suddenly she's a deep anti-patriot conspirator now with gorillions of shit to "atone" and mope about now.

I always thought she should have been a redemption/romance subplot on Snake's personal side of the story for a conclusion. She and Snake had some of the best interactions and chemistry in 1 and it would have been a pretty kino and wholesome way to end out gray foxes plot legacy as well. Instead she got that infamous anti-gravity tits outfit and got whored out to fucking vamp and otacon and killed herself from turbocancer. Probably the one character in 4 that surpassed Snake in humilation rituals.

>>722154556
>>722154636
then 4 will be sucked off from V when a youtube essay about it blows up
and I am just the ENGLISH man too do it

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>>722152338
Yeah, I do. MGS2 is the best MGS game. What of it?

>>722155218
MGS4 is too Japanese and wacky to get sucked off.

MGS2 has that classic PS2 presentation with less crazy things going on so it's easier to pass it as high art (and don't get me wrong it really is, I love it and it has more things to say than MGS4)

MGS4 still has a lot to say, more than MGS1 and MGS3 (even if it fails in other areas compared to these games) but it doesn't have that agreeable presentation these games have that make it palatable to normalfags

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Kobimbo spent 30million Konami dollars on Mgs4 game engine alone, which could hardly be used on any other game since it's Ps3 locked. And you could barely use it since in game you practically crawl from 30min cutscene to another. Kojima really cuckolded Konami for good, used his fortune to crawl inside Hollywood.

>>722130237
NOTHING.

>Hello son. Or should I call you "brother?"
Anyone who didn't FEEL that ending with all of those feels is a soul-less zombie.

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>>722155373
Post more MGS2 screencaps. How are you playing it at that quality btw?

>>722130237
I love MGS4 however the core gameplay which is stealthing around guys n shit is very limited.
The "meat" of the game is in chapter 1+2. Chapter 3 is a tailing mission, chapter 4 is a nostalgia bait recreation of shadow Moses (which is great fan service) where you are mostly avoiding the stupid AI critters and chapter 5 is a good return to the core gameplay that lasts for 1 room before becoming a boss gauntlet.
It's a great game with a lot of spectacle and serves as a good send off to the series but the actual gameplay part is kinda lacking.

>>722153940
I already mentioned MGO2 in the very thing you replied to. I knew about it, but it didn't save the main game from being shit. It's like me saying Splinter Cell Blacklist was good because of Spies vs. Mercs. I mean Spies Vs. Mercs rocked and they always got that right, but I still think the main game of SC came off rather weakly in that one. Some people are more forgiving to Blacklist, not me.

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>>722155373
Substance PC port, V's fix, SOS 3rd person mod, custom Steam control inputs, Reshade
The Master collection looks better but it doesn't have this 3rd person mod which is interesting with the updated control scheme.

>>722155517
>since it's Ps3 locked
He really didn't like Xbox, and his refusal to make his games multiplat for Xbox is no doubt one of the reasons for his firing because the first thing Konami did afterwards is announce MGS5 will be on Xbox........even if it's incomplete.

>>722155630
The main MGS4 isn't shit but it's a bit short, or rather front packed. You have a decent amount of "regular" gameplay with act 1 and 2 (they're very replayable) and overall in the game more than MGS1 for sure, but the way it's distributed is too uneven.

>>722156001
MGS4's final part wasn't about concluding that game, but about concluding the entire series. It delivered on things fans wanted like the return of Raiden, the return to Shadow Moses, and getting to finally control a metal gear.

>>722130237
It's truly the most self-indulgent game of all time.

>>722155386
ppl said the same about 2 it will happen

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>>722156250
Yeah, I just wish they didn't cut some of the sneaking parts in the final 3 arcs.

Keep the sewer escort mission in act 3
Add some regular guards sneaking sections in 4
Add one or two sneaking sections in 5 on top of the first one (great map)

there you go

>>722156253
that be a dragon age game or red dead 2 most likely gta 6 will take that

>>722156250
No one wanted Raiden to return.

>>722156250
You can see that the whole thing is outweighed by cutscenes in that webm I posted if you freeze frame every millisecond, you will struggle to find the moments of snake being fully controllable. My complaints about MGS4 is simple, there's more cutscene watching than a game. You will struggle to find every milisecond of where there is gameplay, of where you're actually doing something. Entirely accurate to the experience. All Kojima needed to was to make bigger levels that consumed more time than the cutscenes. It's cutscene trap the game. Saying anything else is dishonest and it's why MGS4 is so flawed.

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>>722156649
PREASE ROVE RAIDEN
PREASE

I'm not sure what's worse, Kojima just taking away the illusion of control or nowadays games where you're just watching in engine cutscenes like The Last of Us. I think they're both bad.

>>722157031
There's about 9h of cutscenes and 7 of gameplay. It's basically MGS1 with more cutscenes.

>>722156407
Red Dead 2 probably
Rockstar had a plan and Dan "Shekel" Houser just kept deviating and expanding and changing from that. And ofc Rockstar being the behemoth that it is, he just kept getting the money for it.
No Dragon Age is even remotely self indulgent.
3 of the 4 games were made after the EA buyout, nobody had any talent to be self indulgent, they just spent time and money being retarded, talentless and virtue signaling (which they consider more important than anything)

>>722149127
He's a right cunt, he is
Pairing him with Meryl is pure spite. In fact that's the entirety of MG4
And 5.
And Survivor
And Parts of 3

>>722156649
Some people did, which is why Raiden even got his own spin-off game.

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>>722145702
Meryl sucked, Mei Ling was always were it was at
>shows up for a cameo
>Snake still ends up in a male partnership with Otacon
Mega gay

>>722157518
Raiden only got a smidge of popularity in 4.
Nobody liked him till he became a cyborg ninja, and even then people though Revengeance was risky for having him as a protagonist

>>722157450
>Pairing him with Meryl is pure spite.
It really was. They basically shoved Meryl back in just to turn her into a merc gorilla and humilate Snake. I didn't even think Meryl was a good fit for Snake and still saw that dirty.

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>>722157725
Mei Ling was the MVP in MGS4

>>722157518
Cyborg ninja Raiden is an insult to any trve Raiden fan. He becomes a poor caricature of Gray Fox just because people liked him, and honestly if you like Gray Fox you should feel insulted too.

>>722130237
test

I have not played it since it came out in 2008 but here is what I can remember
>cutscenes out the ass. Like 2 movies worth of cutscenes
>It is stuck on PS3
>there is a high chance you'll cry bitch tears at a couple of points in the game

>>722157905
MGO2 looks so fun bros I hope they add it in the master collection vol 2

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>>722158571
Say what you want about, well the entire game, but that ending sequence is GODLY
Truly, La Creatividad

>>722159885
No chance, just pick it on PC

>>722134805
For me 4 was dogshit, and V tried to salvage and mostly succeeded except it's unfinished.
>>722143752
This guy gets it.

>>722145545
It's not. The developers actually gave numerous talks about it. It's a simple engine and can be ported if Konami wanted to.

>>722155545
Since when was the VSS a non-lethal gun? I thought it the Mosin Nagant was the only non-lethal sniper rifle.

>>722147493
Go fuck yourself MGS2 and MGR are the best in the series

>>722160190
>goofy = godly
Are you one of those people who think rape/murder = mature/deep?

1 > 3 > 2 > 4 > Portable Ops > Peace Walker > V

Is an RTX 4060 and Ryzen 5 5600x enough to emulate this?

Where the fuck is Twin Snakes Nintendo and Konami?

>>722147309
I like Snake not settling down with any of the girls, he's just like me

>>722161974
yes

>>722153636
MGS4 mogs Peace Walker

>>722130237
A lot of its mechanics go unused because the campaign is so short and has so many gimmick sections.

>>722132008
/thread

They are cool for MGO but the main story is such a short game.

>>722130237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93-_r0w7ykI

>>722161956
Any list that doesn't put 4 at the last position is a meme list.

>>722161414
Always, at least in online

>>722156649
I did thoughever

>>722162576
Im trans btw

>>722162750
I hated Peace Walker and especially V as they were full of tedium and bloat unlike 1,2,3,4 and PO which are normal linear games.

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2>3>1>V>4>PW

>>722162750
NTA,
I did not play the portable games but I can assure you. Out of the 5 console games, V is by far the worse
Everything feels half finished and rushed out the door.

>>722163682
Fuck you

>>722161590
>>goofy = godly
No no
>goofy =/= godly
If you think those are the same, I under why you'd not appreciate such kino
>Are you one of those people who think rape/murder = mature/deep?
No, I am not Tetsuya Tashiro
I also don't understand your remark because there's no rape or gratuitous murder

>>722162576
Cant stand this fags autism accent

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>>722157905
Fucking sweet
Mei Ling a best

>>722163925
Go tip your contrairain fedora some where else.

Why was 2008 so kino? Why hasnt anything been the same since?

>>722164403
You were just younger then. People are gonna be saying the same about 2025 17 years from now.

>>722130237
We must be better snakes

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fuckin pain in the ass bridge with your fuckin mines and cyphers and trap door floor tiles

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>>722164993
and in 17 year MGS V will still feel half finished and rushed out the door. Because that is exactly what we got. While 4 feels not only like a complete game but an ending to a series

>>722157803
you are fucking stupid and downplaying what 4 did for him

>>722160190
I think after snake got his face beaten in, he should of been more fucked up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UMb-ubySec
its a shame raiden never played like this in mgr and was just normal plat slop

>>722166746
The platslop was kino

>>722130237
FUCK JOHNNY

>walk down a hallway
>2 hour cutscene
>40 second boss fight
>install next chapter for 30 minutes
>repeat for 10 hours
the most gameplay this turd has is the boring ass tailing mission in europe lmao

>>722130237
The bosses sucked compared to previous games, they were completely soulless and I hated that they were just machines basically and you got told their sob story by some zesty lunchtime rowdy after killing them. I usually love kojima's quirks but he must have been smoking bad crack the day he came up with that.

>>722130237
It's just a bad game, there's really nothing else to say.

>>722167082
it was an ending to about 60/70years of story
had better bosses then most of the other metal gears and I got over 100 hours in mgo shame you wasnt there at the time faggot

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>>722164142
based

>>722130237
It's literally not a video game.

>>722165764
Playing on PS2 emulator?

>>722130237
killing snake, by snake i mean Naked Snake not the clone abomination.

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>>722167419
Substance PC with third person mod

>>722167216
>had better bosses then most of the other metal gears
Which ones? MGS1? Phenomenal. MGS2? Phenomenal. MGS3? Great MGS:PW? Okay MGS:V? Maybe this one.

I remember watching Snake's glutes most of my gameplay

>>722153608
Besides the boss fight there isnt anything there, just little robots, it sucks

>>722152623
Maybe it's a comment on how MGS5 didn't have an ending.

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how does the ghost man get Metal Gear wackyness into physint
Apart of me feels like this is gonna end up being a sypon filter game

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>>722167593
16y of lurking and I still forget picture

>>722130237
>complete shitting on Solid as a character
>too big cutscenes

>>722130237
Act 1 is so scripted even bullet impacts and explosions around you are generated as you get close to them, and enemy movements are also baked into each section
Act 2 is MGS3 so you just run north for the whole act and then have to sit through an interactive cutscene where you ride a car
Act 3 is just Act 3, otherwise an entire interactive cutscene that you can't speed up in any way and actively tries to piss you off, it's only saved by the Laughing Octopus boss fight except that fight is scripted and will play out the same every time you fight it, and she goes down like a lead balloon so you can't even enjoy it and the area is so small you can find her in seconds anyway
Act 4 is nostalgia act without any action, you just go walking through MGS1 remade in 4K for a bit and cutscene cutscene cutscene, ending with the only real boss fight of the game wrapped in copious amounts of Kojima bullshit such as a whole gameplay section which forces half of your screen to be, you guessed it, a cutscene
Also has "the end + sniper wolf" boss fight but its bullshit because it takes place in the middle of a snow storm and has FROGs walking around which completely ruins any chance of a nice sniper duel unless you gimp yourself
Act 5 has the only gameplay in the entire game, but it only lasts for about 10 minutes at most, where you sneak across the top deck of a giant ship and enemies are actively searching for you and then cutscene cutscene interactive cutscene cutscene cutscence button mash sequence cutscene largely scripted boss fight which also dips into cutscene cinematic slop constantly and then game ending
It's pure bullshit and I don't know how anyone can call this an actual game
You have hundreds of weapons and they all do the same shit, ultimately you won't even use most of them
Someone who isn't Kojima ought to remake the shit out of this game and make sure that it has shitloads open ended gameplay and minimal cutscenes, then it might be pretty good

>>722130237
>has every weapon you could wish for
>has every cutscene you couldn't wish for
>forces you to equip the M4 or M1911 every time a cutscene plays out
fuck you

>>722166746
I thought it was kind of neat that the blade mode works similarly to the katana controls in MGS2 honestly

>>722167216
The story was nothing but retarded fanservice showing off all the old characters.
The bosses were completely forgettable rehashes of shit from the previous titles. And that stupid exposition dump after you killed them, so corny.
MGO 2 was great initially, but Konami fucked it by not allowing people who didn't purchase the DLC to play with those who did.
Overall MGS4 was shit and you fucking know it.

>>722167580
>MGS3?
3's suck shit mins the end
MGS2?
fatman not good fortune you cant even rememeber it vamps decent the ray fight boring soildus is alright minus doing the fight from 1 again
MGS1 is the only one to have bosses as good
PW dont make me fucking laugh
V theres zero bosses in this game

>>722167716
Had to delete parts of my post for hitting the 2000 character limit so I fucked up and tacked on the "Laughing Octopus" part on Act 3 instead of Act 2 so FUCK just pretend it's on Act 2 I'm not a retard
About the most interesting gameplay element from Act 3 is the fact you can shoot the helicopter down if you're in NG+ with the railgun and it'll actually change the pathing of the resistance member that's literally fucking it

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The only thing that is wrong is that I can't find that 4 hour Jihadi Snake playthrough video anywhere.
Fuck modern soulless YouTube for taking it down,

>>722130237
wdym it's the best game in the series.

I lean more towards liking it, but some of the cutscenes are way too long honestly. Last mission is kino though

not enough gameplay. that's it. i just want more.

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>"Watch out, Snake! That's the chemical weapons expert of the Beauty and the Beast Unit!"
>"I AM HAPPY SKUNK!"
>boss fight happens
>she's running around farting and laughing extremely loud
>her health bar depletes
>"...no, I'm not happy... I'M SAAAAAAAD!!!!!!!"
>gets naked
>starts posing for the camera
>fucking dies
>20 minute long debriefing with Drebin starts

theres anons here that think that shitty fight with bees, the Flamethrower and the fag who has so little you cant even make fun of him are good fights
theres a reason non of them got used for the B&Bs
the boss just a normal mob
volgin worse soildus

>>722167216
>had better bosses then most of the other metal gears
Thanks for admitting you've never played a single metal gear game. Why are you even trolling this thread?

>>722168634
you are living off old memories

>>722167696
These character models are high quality man

>>722168779
Begone troll, don't you have a genshin thread to post in?

>>722167716
>Act 2 is MGS3 so you just run north
It's pretty much peak sneaking gameplay.

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>MGS4 has no gamep-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7GQslg679Q

>>722144929
>Because 2 didn't explain much at all

2 literally predicted the future. We're living in the end of MGS2 right now.

>>722168817
no I just dont pretend fucking trash is good
B&B and the cobras are no differnet both had little character work most of the cobras have nothing to offer but you like to pretend there something more
2's characters had a little more work but fatman is whatever, fortune sucks and vamp is great thank god they took out chinkman and gave his parts to vamp

>>722169056
>unironically defending 4's bosses
Just KYS stupid mush brain. There is no defending your dogshit taste. I can't help but notice even you didn't try because there is nothing to defend they are dogshit and everyone agrees except for contrarian trolls such as yourself.

>>722169019
No we're not. AI can barely write up a fucking paragraph without being broken, it's not currently dictating memes and public discourse.

>>722154457
I makes sense in regards to proximity but it makesno fucking sense character-wise. Sigint? He's a weapon's guy but at least he's intelligent, perhaps I can humour the idea. However, do you seriously expect me to believe that the 90 IQ lady running her mouth about godzilla movies to a special operative was actually an extremely powerful and competent orchestrator setting in motion a world-changing project?

Gtfo

>>722169360
It's taking over a lot of the workplace and internet content (dead internet theory) which doesn't mean it's *independently* dictating culture and discourse but it's basically a tool that people use to process and regurgitate near infinite quantities of slop

>>722169302
NTA but 4 bosses are good gameplay wise, just not story/character wise.

Laughing Octopus gets the best of all of them because she's the first and has a pretty interesting concept so she sticks really well.

Raging Raven has the advantage of being multiple phased (chase and fight) and implementing that "no place to hide" thing by destroying the church. You can actually shoot her while she rests on other roofs.

The next two are a lot weaker.
Rex vs Ray, though? Kino.

>>722167716
Its crazy because this summarizes mgs4's sections completely but doesnt truly get across just how little gameplay to cutscenes the game has which is part of the reason that mgs4 gets far more shit compared to mgs2.

Because really, both games have a ton of Kojima long winded cutscene bullshit, but the amount of time you spend actually playing the game is so much longer than 4.

>>722169302
you said nothing to counter what I said so you know yourself most other bosses are 'dogshit' like you say
B&B are cooler looking, have a conpect (like I said that all the shit bosses failed to get in cause they shit and not good enough to force kojima to get another model to make another boss)

>>722169616
REX vs RAY was so fucking cool. I can't believe nobody talks about it.

>>722169509
Trvke

>>722169646
yeah 4 should of been like 2 where you spend more time backtracking and going man remember when I was snake and the gameplay was better

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>>722169646
I'd rather replay 4 than 2 anytime though. It's not even close. See >>722168972

>>722169616
I was specifically talking about the story/character of them not the gameplay. I thought that was implied but I guess some people are too stupid to get it. Everyone loves the mgs4 gameplay. It's the retarded flandarization of characters and story that pisses people off.
Bosses were special in mg because they had tons of personality, all of that was thrown out the window in 4 and you are told their personality after you kill them which fucking sucked.

>>722169854
>I was specifically talking about the story/character
none of the bosses henchmen have really any story after 1

>>722169809
Thats literally how low the bar is and 4 couldnt even manage to do that.

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>>722130237
I liked it, but the expo dump at the very end is literally just a tacked on movie. Kojimbo REALLY wanted to be a film director and was too heavy handed. He got so fed up with them trying to reign in MGSV he basically just fucked off. MGS4 is best on repeat playthroughs, skipping cutscenes and going for emblems, but you still have to deal with the extended chase sequences that take up most of your time if you actually know what you're doing. The gameplay is good but man idk what he was smoking

>>722130237
Act 2, Act 3, Act 5
However, MGO2 salvages it and as a singleplayer game it is still better than both PW and V

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>>722169854
>I thought that was implied
It was, I just wanted to elaborate on the subject since it was related. Don't call me dumb please

>>722169809
Actually backtracking would have helped 4 a lot. Seriously, you add 2 hours of various backtracking and a lot more players start loving 4. You can probably add 2 hours of sneaking just using the existing map sections that the player isn't forced to explore the first time around but still exist and are designed for sneaking, so without actual MGS1/2 style backtracking.

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>>722170068
Act 2 is where it peaks though.

>>722170000
>MGS4 thread
>quads
Kojima KINO

>>722170092
Sorry I wasn't really mad at you it was that other fag slurping the stupid girl bosses. I'll never stop being mad at how shitty it was having to listen to a zesty fag tell me why I'm supposed to be sad about the boss I just killed.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xROQUdmP3U

Unrivaled SOUL.

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>>722148182
>>722148014
>>722146724


It's been a long ass time so I may be misremembering, but I could swear in the MGS4 library content they used to have on the PS3 shop had a lil info about Ocelot yoinking the arm back off and replacing it with a different one on purpose because he actually was being possessed by Liquid.

Still retarded but yeah. I remember hearing that the english dub of 2 made the choice to add Liquid's VA to the possession scenes and honestly I wish they kept that going forward. Mostly because anything Cam Clarke says is fucking gold to me

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>>722170241
Reasonable

>>722170282
I know what you're talking about and I always thought that was extremely anti-climactic and pathetic given the way mgs2 ends, but I guess it also makes sense
>alright I'm just going to cut the fucking thing off
like why wouldn't ocelot immediately do that once he inevitably regained control, I'm sure with mgs sci-fi medicine an arm amputation would be something he'd get over pretty easily.

>>722169854
>It's the retarded flandarization of characters and story that pisses people off.
Agreed, but as for the other part about bosses... almost every single guy in MGS2 and 3 was a literalwho. Fat man had a cool backstory, but Vamp and Fortune are retarded. In 3 the whole cobra unit is just
>I am le noun
The astronaut is the only one I can give any points to

The funniest thing about the arm is that you can tell Kojima really regretted getting rid of such a good villain like Liquid and that was the best way he thought to go about backtracking on it.

Really shows how much of a hack he is lmao

>>722170516
Also it kinda makes sense thematically

>you know what? I'm going to PRETEND to be Liquid even though I'm not so I can force the Patriots to enter LiquidHandlingPattern#4 even though I'm just a knockoff and it might not be the right way to handle me or everything around this crisis

>>722170628
The point is the bosses have a soul and you interact with them. The bosses in 4 are just soulless machines, you have no interaction with them. They don't call you out in a challenge they just scream and flail around until you put them down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuf3xg6zmdI

SOUL

>>722170742
>we missed out on mecha/cyborg Liquid
>he could have been made of a liquid metal a la Termonator 2
KOJIMAAAAA

>>722170783
marginally...

MGS2 bosses are characters who are kind of involved in the main plot even if they're mostly muscle for the terrorists, they show up multiple times. So while I think someone like Fortune sucks ass and should be removed, she has more impact than 3-4 bosses

MGS3 bosses are non characters too but they're human in their design so it's easier to feel closer to them, like you can tell "okay, The End is the grandpa, The Fury is the astronaut" rather than different kinds of animal themed machines and hotties inside

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>>722130237
Cutscenes too long. Not enough non-lethal weapons. Faction system could be more fleshed out (though it is still significantly better than V's). Belongs to the brown and bloom era.

As an aside, seeing this shit:
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>>722147590
For almost 20 years is baffling to me. A PS3 with a controller and CFW is about the same price as the Master Collection on Steam + MGSV. But it will let you play every single mainline title and then some. It's even got an HDMI output so you don't have to worry about it looking bad without a CRT or OSSC. Yet people act like you've told them to kill their dog when you suggest just buying a fucking PS3.

>>722170783
As opposed to the Pain who is.... uhhhh...... uuuuhhhhhhh....

>>722170092
>Actually backtracking would have helped 4 a lot.
no it wouldnt, the was gonna add a sewer with snake and eva and that would of been shit, adding backtracking does nothing but to break up the flow of the game it doesnt need 5 added hours of miningless shit, if you like padding out the ass try out the last of us 2

>>722130237
more cutscenes than gameplay
story is comically convoluted for no good reason

>>722171112
A person you interact with, continually pretending ignorance to the point is tiresome. Why do lefties always do this? You can't even have a discussion because you constantly use feigned ignorance of the subject to avoid confrontation.

>>722170742
could of brought him back in two
said they used his body for a fucking dumb reason

>>722171067
>CFW
The thing you arent getting is that there really isnt anything else that's stuck on the ps3 that is worth playing except maybe demon's souls. So you are suggesting that people buy and keep a whole ass console just to play a game that is mid at best. Yeah, I wonder why people complain that its stuck on ps3.

>>722171253
having a 3 min convo at the start mens fuck off
the end has nothing to do with the story you can take him out and nothing

>>722171253
U r seriously disingenuous

Heil Hitler btw

>>722130237
I liked it, but it's my least favorite entry in the series because there's so little gameplay in it. What is there is very fun.

>>722171126
Backtracking worked fine in other games. Even MGS3. It's not so much padding as it is more time to have fun with your tools. You could add a whole hour of playtime (or more) in act 2 just by having the player go to the other side of the road they can pick at the fork.
Let's say Snake is forced you to save some guy from that house where they keep prisoners so he can enter the mansion later. The rebels have a bulldozer to enter the mansion but maybe Snake needs to save that guy to get there. There you go, 1h of gameplay added at no cost and it's not even the same maps as before.

You can add some sneaking without tailing the guy in act 3 if you build it differently. Have Snake first sneak around THEN you find the guy after a while. Tons of possibilities. The map is fucking HUGE and if you're just running around sneaking you're going to have fun because the level is well designed, but there's no reason to do it so it's a loss

>>722171370
yes its less then 100 dolla
a game now cost that much
maybe you look a the libary and pick up a folklore but you wont but it anyway and whine for the steam then buy it for 69.99

>>722168870
It's tall grass and small groups of enemies in narrow corridors anon

>>722171179
>story is comically convoluted for no good reason
so like every kojima story minus V cause theres nothing there

>>722171530
>Backtracking worked fine in other games
no it doesn't I never wanna play 2 again cause its the same shade of the same shit plasted all over the place.

>>722171602
Not even close. I can't really help you more than telling you to replay it, but just take a look at the first map in the act and you'll see tons of interesting design, with the houses, rooftops, the hill you have to scale...

It's actually the most open part of the game and in my opinion probably what MGS sneaking should strive for. This or Ground Zeroes, they're basically kinda similar (Ground Zeroes being the bigger version)

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>>722171370
You're forgetting that even the PS3s that don't support disc-based PS2 backwards compatibility can play them with CFW. On top of supporting the PS1's library. It's only an albatross if you think nogaems memes from 2007 are still accurate. If you're not playing newer games, it's a more worthwhile console to own than the PS4 or 5. I wouldn't disagree that emulation on PC is better for the consoles the PS3 can emulate. But in that case, you might as well just wait until MGS4 works with RPCS3 instead of bitching and moaning.

Being tacked on at the end of a complete story, it had nothing to bring to the table and wasn't integral to the saga. The thematic through line is deficient in substance and the non-returning characters lacked the subsistence to keep the player interested. It was never re-released.

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>>722160280
>No chance, just pick it on PC
wait one can play it on pc?

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>>722174902
Yeah, the webms I posted ITT are recent.
https://mgo2pc.com/

Basically there's a fan community with a Discord server, they have a custom RPCS3 + the MGO iso and everyone can just download and run it with a decent computer (it used to be PS3 only a few years ago)

>>722157905
wth I didnt know you could play mei-ling, though I oinly remember really playing the TDM mode or whatever. She seems OP as fuck if she stuns you just by saluting.

>>722154292
and we've even seen it happen irl now too

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>>722175330
She's good in team sneaking usually.

You can randomly play as 7 characters actually
>Raiden: blocks bullets and slashes people
>Vamp: only knives but can dodge bullets and immortal and respawns on the spot
>Liquid: has SOP which locks enemies guns >>722170265
>Meryl: Double Deagle (instant reload by swapping to the second Deagle), can see any enemy aiming at her, instantly wake up people

and most importantly
>Johnny: shits himself after 3 kills and weaponizes the smell

>>722130237
It poorly executes so much of what MGS1-3 was building up towards. And I understand why. Poor reception towards aspects of MGS2-3 led to Kojima fundamentally misunderstanding what people wanted, that and I think Kojima just flat-out had no ideas for certain conclusions to the saga.
I know people will disagree, but I genuinely think Zero being the leader of the Patriots was already going to be a thing as early as MGS3. Him having the Blofeld-style scar and even making the password of "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo" was very much on the nose.
The problem is, the way the reveal is handled in MGS4 is fucking shit, and MGSV only retroactively makes it worse by revealing Zero did barely that much wrong and it was mostly Skull Face's fault. And it's very clear Kojima had no idea how to conclude the series after MGS3.
There are definitely good ideas in MGS4.
But the big issue is, it's a game that clearly feels unfocused in what it wants out of everything and it feels like it was made out of spite instead of trying to actually continue a story

>>722136928
>DMCV was 7 years ago
Jesus Christ.
Still, I like this video. But it gets some stuff wrong. It relies too much on Agness Kaku as a reliable source for the first part of the video. Some of MGS2's problems came from Agness flat-out misunderstanding the story and mistranslating it. Not helping matters is that Raiden is very miscast. There's a reason why in the JP voice he has a baritone voice and acts more like a younger Gray Fox at his prime from MG2:SS

>>722158062
Yes and no. But not because he became like Gray Fox. But moreso the fact that Raiden was meant to be a sort of "reincarnation' of Gray Fox that ends up being saved of his destiny to become a tool for war and eventually become a mutiliated cyborg. MGS4 having him turn into that is basically a huge "fuck you" to that, and only ends up fucking up MGS2's ending.

>>722175052
Thanks for posting, brings back good memories.
I remember playing the online component over 10 years ago on my ps3 till the very last day that the servers were shut down at, mgs4 will always be my favourite ps3 game.

>>722170742
People always say this but MGS1 already had a got brought back from the dead, as did MG2 actually, and the initial draft of MGS2 had Liquid return normally as the main villain again. If he wanted Liquid back for real he could've easily done it. He was clearly going for something with the whole arm thing. I don't know what the fuck it was but he had some sort of pretentious retarded idea.