>game requires $200 of DLC to become playablewhy do gamers tolerate this?
Hehehehehe I guess it's quite the paradox!!!
>>722228386Because they're the only ones that make certain games
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>>722228386You pirate until there is a sale or humble bundle. EU4 went to $50 with all its' dlc. A bit much for a 10 year old game but there is literally nothing like it.
>>722228386if they want to play some autism kino they just have to swallow that cocknothing else out there that compares to Europa Universalis, Stellaris, Crusader Kings or Cities Skyline
>>722228386Because you're late to it, my man. These games are perfectly fine when it's $15-20 every other month or so. Just pirate.
>>722228386>why do gamers tolerate this?I don't its kept me from buying any of their games despite being interested in several of them.They should just release a complete edition of the older ones. Then I might buy them.
>>722234785>They should just release a complete edition of the older ones. Then I might buy them.they specifically won't do that because they WANT you to buy dlc individually so they can nickel and dime you.
>playableDoubt
>>722234690>every other monthThey release max 1 dlc a quarter, often less less frequentlyThis is just poorfags crying, I understand the barrier to entry for new players in 5+ year old games but nothing but your brain stops you from trying the base game which is often 75% discounted
>>722228386They fully know they hold a monopoly within their really specific niche just like EA with the Sims.
>>722234893>but nothing but your brain stops you
… i feel ashamed subcribe to their membership for DLCs
>>722228386I wanna get Age of Wonders 4 on sale>DLC is a gorillion dollarsI wanna get Old World on sale its just four dollar->DLC+base game package is 42 dollars...
>>722234919It's actually funny no one is trying to dethrone them in grand strategies. 4X has way more competition.
>>722235017This remind me i still haven’t bought pack 2 and3 dlc
>>722228386creamapi
I'd rather keep getting more content for a game I like than spend $80 on the same game with some minor additions every year.
>>722235061Grand Strategies are niché, someone should make a more fantasy oriented sandbox Grand Strategy with custom world building and Society Simulation included in style of CK 2. That could have a market, knowing from the modding community there's huge overlap.
>>722228386You mean free.How much of a sucker you have to be to buy Paraslop?
When the company that made their entire business model on selling DLCs starts handing them out for free you know they've really fucked up.
>>722235169more like they realized the average gamer in current economy doesn't have gazillion bucks to spend on DLC so they released a monthly subscription format instead.
Btw, what do you guys think about Europa 5? I wonder how much they will downgrade the gameplay like Victoria 3.
>>722234893>poorfagsShalom
>>722235248I don't think it will get any more dumbed down than IV was compared to III.
>>722235248I hope they downgrade it enough for normal non-autistic people like Me to get into it
>>7222353914 is very easy to access desu, at long as you don’t autistic enough to pick some random ass small country, or anything near china/dai viet since that zone is especially hostile.
>>722235169there are multiple factors it. certain people will genuinely go "I have some dlc, I really should get the rest as well", for example.
>>722235559I scored 120 Intellectual Quality points on mensa and i struggle even with CK3These games are objectively made without neurotypical people in mind
>>722235559China is basically packs of ganbangs waiting to happen on your corpse, you either get to ganbang the other clan's bitches or they gangbang your corpse. Historically accurate China simulator.
>I HAVE to get everything or its le unplayable!I can't fault anyone making bank of your personal stupidity
>>722234893The base game is a feature incomplete demo that has less mechanical depth to it than EU3DW
>>722235692>and i struggle even with CK3Literally how? I understand not reforming Rome your first playthrough, but picking a 1066 duke in ireland and playing at your own pace is easy as fuck.
>>722235724Its just FOMO most of the time, that being said Tropico 6 seems like what I'm into right now, are their DLCs any worth or is the base game just playable?
>>722235692What's causing you struggles? CK3 is even less abstract because you're specifically handling dynasties and individual characters. In fact, CK3 is THE most appealing to most people because it's the easiest to wrap your head around.
>>722235143>tfw the best fantasy grand strats are mods of paradox games
>>722235806It's not FOMO, though. We need a term for "perceived high barrier to entry" because some people think they NEED all the DLC or they can't play the game.
>>722235143>someone should make a more fantasy oriented sandbox Grand StrategyLiterally the entire appeal of Paradox titles is historical LARPing and VGH WHAT COULD HAVE BEENing, with a smaller subset of the playerbase propping up mods for already established settings like Fallout or GoT. Nobody has any interest in paint your original doughnut steel maps.
Genuinely have no idea how they've fucked up Stellaris and CK3 so badly. Especially Stellaris, patch to fix end game lag made it much worse.
Its free for me, idk what you're talking about.All my games are.
>>722235895>Nobody has any interest in paint your original doughnut steel maps.and people who do go for big mods delivering precisely that. however, we might draw parallels between civilization where you have actual real civs, and other 4x fantasy or sf games. there is an audience that could be tapped.
>>722235806If it's just cosmetics, I don't give a fuck. But if you lock out entire factions etc behind dlc, I'm not going to buy your game.
>>722235919CK3 is fine thoughbeit. Coronations was a misfire, but the game itself is fine.
>>722235858More like they cut out part of the game strategy and add in as DLC.Some country feel fucking weird without their DLC.Meanwhile stellaris is fine without the newest dlc
>>722234397>EU4 went to $50 with all its' dlc.It's $100 right now on a sale though
>>722228386Same reason Windows can afford to be shit: monopoly. GS a niche market and paradox is the only big competitor.
>>722235895Except there's a very popular mod that did just that called Shattered World and allowed for custom histories, religions etc to prop up on Earth. They added it to the main game. There's also the god sandbox and other "god games" so to speak that speak to that niche so I think it could work. You are right though on the whatcould'vebeenisms, Fallout/GoT/TES mods exist, did they ever manage a Lord of the Rings mod?
>>722235947>and people who do go for big mods delivering precisely thatWhich part of "propping up mods for already established settings like Fallout or GoT" are you too slow to comprehend? They're based on established, massively popular IPs and as such people are interested in painting maps in the context of those IPs. Why the fuck would I care about painting maps based on some who-gives-a-shit half-baked lore of a startup Paradox competitor?
>>722235895>Nobody has any interest in paint your original doughnut steel maps.Anbennar, nigga.
>>722235152>chink make le grand strategy game>it's another romance of three kingdoms sloppa
>>722234785>They should just release a complete edition of the older ones.Which of their older games doesn't have one?
>>722236042some do, apparently
>>722235815>>722235794I can't sit back and relax because i constantly have to micromanage everything from economy to inheritance and dealing with constant irrelevant pop-upsAnother thing is that the cultural assimilaton feature is severly overlooked>Tried to unite Romania as Wallachia and genocide Hungarians>Took a full century just to assimilate 3 adjacent provinces beyond the Carpathians>Every time my character dies everything collapses and fractures>In order to avoid this you either have to spent a gorillion hours to change inheritance rules to 1 successor only or murder your cuntlings through indirect means until only 1 remainsI just wanna paint the map and wipe out ethnicities man
>>722235692120 is only super smart in the brown diarrhea cistern you call a country. Its jusy above avg in Europe. I have 140 and while I'm pretty clever, I'm not a genius.
>>722236043>>722236103Did Parajews give them early access to port it to EU5 or will we have to wait a year again?>>722236108>I just wanna paint the map and wipe out ethnicities manThen Crusader Kings isn't for you, play Victoria 2 or something. Or 3 if they unfucked it.CK is about dynasties, you're supposed to struggle to make large scale material changes in the world, instead of uniting kingdoms you should give one to your cousin or something.
>>722236108>I can't sit back and relax because i constantly have to micromanage everything from economy to inheritance and dealing with constant irrelevant pop-upsYou can always try shock therapy with Distant Worlds. That game lets you automate so much of it you can potentially be a spectator.
>>722236083I would legitimately kill to have a 3K version of Sengoku and I'm not even a chink.>>722236108Oh so you're impatient and stupid. I should've guessed when you thought IQ stood for>intellectual quality
>>722236108>YOUR VASSAL NEGRITUS CUNTOWSKI INVITES YOU TO A HUNT
>>722236103There was also that old game where you controlled a tribe in some fantasy world akin to D&D it was very old like 00s old.
>>722236219Only dumb people are patient. My mind processes everything so fast it makes playing paradox slop at any difficulty a torture
>>722228386Because that $200 is spread over 5 years and it doesn't seem that much buying individual DLC once in a while.It also depends on the game a bit which DLC paywall essential mechanics or not so you don't always have to get everything.It is admittedly a huge barrier to entry and just getting the base game you will have an inferior experience.
>>722234528it's literally this easythe faggots complaining in this thread have a combined IQ of 50
>>722228386I don't care.Others will pay that, paradox still launching dlc, but I use cream API.
>>722236306>Only dumb people are patient. My mind processes everything so fastAndrew Tate? Is that you?
>>722236204I hate, hate, HATE HATE HATE how they ruined Stellaris again with the latest rework and removed sectors.I fucking loved sectors, I like the feel that I'm actually ruling a vast stellar state and delegating priorities to lower levels of government, set some plants for mining, some for bureucracy, prisons, energy sectors, and let them govern themselves. With how they removed that, I now have to turn habitable worlds to 0.25x or the micro makes me want to kill myself.I was so hoping they'd expand the mechanic, and maybe integrate it with the Galactic Empire system to make it more meaty instead of a meme. Imagine being Galactic Emperor but your sectors are now duchies, marches, domains of crime syndicates, all the good shit.
>>722234397It was like 20 euros on humble before. Make sure to nothing to paradox though if you buy it there.
>>722235143>someone should make a more fantasy oriented sandbox Grand Strategythat's why I play Total Warhammer and not paradox games, I don't care about historical shit
>>722236159140 is borderline genius.Depending on the scale you can get into Mensa.
>>722235983I mean it's playable but you have 3 origins, half of the species are missing, galactic community is even more useless, ascensions suck, no megastructures. I played without DLC the first them then I couldn't really do it again because the vanilla game is on rails as to what you can achieve.
>>722236474Ehpasis on borderline. Yeah I can see through and solve problems much easier than others, but its not like I can instantly and effortlesly solve the most complex stuff. I know I'm leagues more intelligent than average, but I worked with an actual genious, thats a different lvl.
>>722236108I have the same problem as you and what helped me is literally just resorting to drawing maps in PaintYou can draw any borders you want, come up with whatever lore makes your clitty feel excited and genocide the ethnicities youve created yourself. Paraslop is for autists without creativity
>>722236764>>722236765r/commentmitosis
>>722234397This. Just buy the base game and pirate the DLC. I haven't paid for a Paradox DLC since 2014.
probably 4000 hours sunk into those games, haven't given the company a cent.I can't really complain about their games getting worse and worse though, because they are catering to the drooling retards that actually do reward their behaviour. The findom masochists in the PDX forums are getting exactly what they want
>>722236672Yeah but how can you say you struggle qith Paradox games?EU VI is literally a board game. Even trading is easy as fuck.Even the ones that look complicated are relatively simple. Specially Ck3 that is just the Sims on a map.
Paradox "players" are special kind of autistic breed. They don't mind throwing tons of money on endless DLC train and insist it's good because "game is alive and constantly developed!". They don't mind that in the process base game gets more and more shallow and pointless without those tons of DLCs, they don't mind that mechanics are constantly being rewritten to match endless SLC train. They don't mind at all, just keep paying so their autistic SIM can keep going and map paint in their favourite color.I wouldn't mind at all if not their tendency to fuck up other games and genres. I enjoyed Age of Wonders 2 and 3 and H A T E what they did to 4. Barely recognizable mess, sorry excuse for a game that gets defended by tons of retards because "GAME IS ALIVE AND DEVS ARE NOT ABANDONING IT". Fuck them.
>>722236360Aren't planets pretty much one and done now? Late game, you just fill the districts and place the buildings you want and don't touch it again. Pops will migrate to other planets, if it becomes full.
>>722237017It's more because of feature creep. At some point it REALLY becomes obvious Paradox ran out of shit to add.
>>722228386I've played thousands of hours on Paradox games and never bought any of them.
>>722234397that's still 50$ too much
>>722237008>how can you say you struggle with paradoxI didnt, thats the guy I was shitting on. I dislike Paradox games have getting dumbed down - soending hours on making sure my troops are supplied as Germany in Russia in HOI2 blackice was great. HOI3 is just dont put too many in one place, draw lines and press button to win.
>EU4>all expansions and DLCs installed>campaign is panning out well>ally AI decides to walk around in circles, not participate in the war>alt+f4many such casesI remember they were toying around with forts for a long time but it seems like forts are only constraining for the player. I don't think it's fair that I have to slowly siege through 10 high level forts to move anywhere but my enemies can casually have their 80k deathblobs float through mine.Personally, I prefer that EUs be more "game"y and fun, I'm even fine with mana. I prefer that CKs be more role-playing and immersive. CK3 was a gargantuan step down from 2, and I am worried that EU5 will similarly have an identity crisis where it isn't really fun as a game but doesn't excel at much else
Is DH really that good?I have heard and read nothing but praise, but every time I watch a campaign on Youtube it looks kinda generic.
>>722237809in case hearts of iron wasn't autistic enough for you
They cost me nothing :)
>>722228386>to become playableThe AI in these games is awful, so basically all you're doing is clicking on text boxes and roleplaying in front of a map>>722234397>there is literally nothing like it.There's plenty of other, less addictive, actually engaging, more fun games.
>>722238126>There's plenty of other, less addictive, actually engaging, more fun games.Name five.
>>722237160That's when they release a sequel to their 10 year old game to re-ship and re-skin same old ideas from the previous game, except this time for far less content.
>>722234961not only are you paying for DLC that doesn't change the gameplay at all (more text box and stat change bing bing wahoo), but you will own nothing, and be happy
>>722236335What if Gaben decides to ban every account using stuff like this? Pirating it might be a lower risk.
>>722234528How do i check if a game is already loaded with DLC? I got SoS grand bazaar and tried cream and it's not unlocking the deluxe extra stuff
>>722238238Tbf, i play paradox game in a short burst of one month per play.So getting sub is cheaper since i only play when my autism demand it.
>>722238196CK2 was probably the most blatant example when they started going into fantasy Sunset Invasion bullshit.
>>722238160Just look at the catalog. It's not hard to be more fun than getting addicted to watching tiny irrelevant stat increases on a map against an AI that doesn't know how to play because the devs are pajeet tier corpos who couldn't make it anywhere else.>>722238507What I find fucked up about it is>you don't "purchase" a dlc a month>the rental price is still way higher than what it would have been 20 years ago>the games play themselves, and unless you're retarded and can't read, you should roll the AI, every single time, and quickly get bored>Oh boy, another DLC, I wonder what text there will be this time. Maybe there'll be a different layout to the boxes, and I might have to click a few more times before getting to the random chance!Paradox is just exploiting people, same as SE with FFXIV's content. 20 years ago, they would have just ended up as used $0.50 copies. But digitally, they can charge full price, forever.
>>722236108Sounds like you just need to play an actually good GSG. Try CK2, Vic2, DH, EU3 and 4.
>>722228386Because you get thousands of hours of playtime.Sorry but GSGs are not meant for poorfags.
>>722238856>Just look at the catalogAh, yes. Coomer stuff, gacha games, culture war slop, twitter screencaps and ragebaiting threads.Much better.
>>722228386that's why you only buy the base game, which is usually priced quite reasonably. this gives you full access to mods and multiplayer.then you pirate the $200 worth of DLC
>>722237809DH is the best HoI game bar none. It's that perfect sweet spot between HoI3 autism and GoY4 retardation. KR was also far better back then before it was handed over to the community for GoY4.
>>722228386Is it cool to pirate $200 DLCs that never drop below 60% off even after 4 years, or when devs pull scummy price hikes before fake discounts? Screw the greedy corpos milking us dry, but piracy’s still stealing. Thoughts?
>>722236360You may like Distant Universe 2 more.
>>722228386>paying for paradox dlc
It's their way or the highway, nobody else makes their particular variety of autism relief medicine.
>>722237030The whole point is the LARP and without sectors it doesn't work. I can no longer have my Core Worlds, my assigned frontiers, my mining regions.
Some jannies warned me for self mocking (i’m Chinese).
Clausewitz Engine was a mistake.>I'm going to emulate millions of pops for the next Europa Universalis game, strictly on a single CPU thread!
>>722228386Cuz i can download all of them for free and play multiplayer and the game on steam without effort?
>>722234528If only this shit worked on MMOs or other multiplayer stuff.
>Paying for DLC>Especially a Paradox game
Are there any good guides out there for Stellaris and Heart of Iron 4? I don't play many 4X games and the ones I do are usually turn based.
>>722237017Doing my part. :^)Can't wait for a vampire run.
>>722228386>why aren't 13 years of additional development free?They should just release a yearly version like sportsball and CoD for people like you.
>>722237503>be trash at the game>blame ally It's the same AI as the one you're fighting against.
>>722228386>>game requires $200 of DLC to become playable>looks at rutracker, torrminator and other places
