They're calling it the next Wii U
>>737988343"They" are the demons inside your head, you balding faggot.
Is that wal mart?
plus taxalso have fun getting drafted
>>737988343More and more of these massively discounted game copies are showing up, and its not just Costco anymore.
>>737988343whos they?
>>737988471so what is going on with all these discounted games showing up? the software attach rate for the 2 is worse than the 1 clearly
>>737988489>the software attach rate for the 2 is worse than the 1 clearlysource?
>>737988343Are "they" in the room with us anon?
>>737988471that's like saying marathon was the best selling game in March. are you retarded?
>>737988471Special Olympics winner.Consoles are dead.
>>737988530it is like that, only not at all
>>737988471>best selling console ever, just trust me bro>stocks fall by 50% What did they mean by this
>>737988597it means that stocks have no correlation whatsoever with how a company's actually doing. See the DJIA/S&P and nasdaq and the 4 day marine expedition in Iran
They’re calling it the next xbox 360
>>737988621>it means that stocks have no correlation whatsoever with how a company's actually doingSource? I took a finance class and learned that it’s generally the opposite
>>737988506By the end of September 2017—seven months into its lifetime—the original Nintendo Switch had sold 27.48 million units of software worldwide.This resulted in an impressive software-to-hardware "attach rate" of roughly 3.6 games for every console sold at that time.Switch 2 has sold 17m units and 37m software, coming out to roughly a 2.1 attach rate
>>737988675its the opposite? ok, explain how stocks are up despite the war still ongoing
>>737988663what about ∆
"A nuclear World War III is about to begin in the Middle East. What does this mean for Nintendo's position in the Console Wars?"
>>737988597>6M
>>737988695because some stocks stand to gain more than others, right now nintendo is dropping due to ai and questions on their profitability
>>737988695Which stocks are up? I’ve seen most companies are generally suffering. Some companies tied to military are doing well
>>737988818>due to questions on their profitabilityuh huh
>>737988756That’s the number of Jews that were cruelly killed in the Holocaust by Nazis. Do you think that’s funny, punk?
>>737988872>we have the best selling console ever bro, we’re raking in the dough, we swear!!!So why would investors sell? You know when a company is doing extremely well people hold on to stocks and prices do well
>>737988837every AI company and every major company in the DJ/S&P 500. theres no rhyme or reason to it of course, but the economy is doing great!
>>737988872last report, they missed profit projections
>>737988920they in fact did not miss projections at all, they had to revise it down by the slightest margin possible after already selling more than expected
>>737988915because investors are retarded and have no understanding of the video game industry at all
/v/ - Business & Finance
>>737988948Profit Miss: Nintendo reported a 23% rise in profit, which was less than expected, with net profit for the quarter hitting 155.2 billion yen, missing the average analyst estimate of 180.7 billion yen.Revenue Miss: Revenue of 806.3 billion yen fell short of market expectations, which were forecasted at 815.7 billion yen.Last quarter.Not to mention how much part prices have skyrocketed since then.
>>737989003>Not to mention how much part prices have skyrocketed since thenyah youre telling me. Sony raised the cost of the PS5 AGAIN
>>737989030Yep. Nintendo raised prices on the original Switch, fucked with physical and digital game pricing, and raised prices of a lot of accessories to mitigate raising the S2 price probably. Its looking like another Switch 1 price hike or NSO price hike to prevent the 2 from rising. Maybe even the S2 will go up.
>>737989107>fucked with physical and digital game pricingyou mean decreasing the cost of digital games? those bastards!
>>737989128you mean adjusting their exorbitant prices back to normal because mario tennis flopped at 70 dollars? those games should have always been cheaper
>>737989128Yeah to push more people to buy digital so their margins on the software increase retard.
>>737988675Kek. If it’s the fastest selling console and stocks are trending downwards, then that would suggest they are not directly correlated. Should have studied harder in that finance class, anon.
>>737988872Nintendo profit 1 billion dollars yet dont invest in Starfox, games like Sin and Punishment, Perfect Dark, etc
>>737988343It already sold more than what the WiiU ever did.
>>737990098Ever thought about investors being scared because the fastest selling console isn’t making what they want? They have sold 5m at a loss already and every other console maker has hiked prices. There is concern to be had.
>>737990098niggerdeen moment
>>737988917 >no rhyme or reason There absolutely is a reason, it’s called liquidity and buybacks. Oil spikes 10% in a week and people clap like that’s a healthy signal instead of pricing in supply fears and inflation round 2. AI stocks moon because funds have to park trillions somewhere and “line go up” beats sitting in cash. S&P pumps because boomers auto-dump their 401k into ETFs every paycheck regardless of fundamentals. That doesn’t mean the underlying economy is sunshine and rainbows, it just means capital has nowhere else to go. Market ≠ economy. Never has.
Consumer spending is down across the board because ww3, ufos, epstein And they really thought $80 would fly
>>737988690so to be clear, it sold 10 MILLION more games, and you're trying to spin that as a bad thing, and that's not even counting Switch 1 games sold to Switch 2 owners like Legends ZA.
>>737991079It sold 10m more, but with more consoles out there to where it didn’t balance out pound for pound. That’s the whole point of talking about attach rates. The switch 2 simply does not have the attach rate that the 1 had.
>>737991151so it sold more games in the same amount of time? once again, being clear here, you're trying to spin "selling more games" as a failing?
>>737991182Not true at all. It sold more software but not for how many consoles were out in the wild. It has seen a drop off from the 1. The switch 1 had people buying more software (the stuff that is supposed to make up for hardware margins)
Why aren't people consistently buying MKW at the full price of $80? The bundle has been gone for a while so you can't use that excuse
>>737991251>Not true at allno, it's pretty obviously true. 37 million is more than 27 million, and you're blatantly trying to spin that as a bad thing. what am i getting wrong here? aside from the fact that Switch 2 has actually moved more than 37 million units, since that 37m only includes dedicated Switch 2 games, and not Switch 2 editions of Switch 1 games, or Switch 1 games purchased with the intent to be played on a Switch 2?
>>737991307Because the bundle was practically the only thing that was selling it. 14m bundle copies
>>73799135037m is more than 27m but not for how many consoles are out there. People who owned switch 1 bought 3.6 games for every console out there, people on switch 2 are buying 2.1 games for each console. Very simple concept. They aren’t buying them at the rate of the previous console. And it is in a time now where they need the make up more than ever.
>>737991360Its just baffling to me that they would put it for $80 if they really wanted it to be as evergreen as MK8. It did its job moving early Switch 2 units but I don't see it having legs especially if they continue with the sluggish pace of updates.
>>737988459This is totally normal, and it has nothing to do with a lack of demand.Physical games have always gotten retail discounts so they could clear the shelves for the next new releases. Games would launch at $60 and get discounted to $20 after six weeks or two months, depending on their popularity.If a game sold well enough, it would get another production run with a manual printed in black and white instead of color. Nintendo called these Players' Choice editions. Sony called them Greatest Hits, Microsoft called them Platinum Hits.They don't do second production runs for retail anymore, so all you see is the original release getting marked down.
How are the sales? Feels alot less spectacular than the switch, I'm noticing alot of people aren't upgrading
>>737988343I said that it would be the next WiiU. You can tell due to how inspired the name is. You're basically buying the N64 expansion pak as a whole new console.
So games being on sale is a sign of failure. Games at their normal price point is a sign of failure. AND games going up $10 is a sign of failure?
>>737991826It's the fastest selling console ever despite the lack of a big hook. Software sales however are low. People get mario kart and maybe one other game (probably bananza or pokopia) and don't touch anything else
>>737988343it beat the wii u in 9 months
>>737991896Yes
>>737991151>>737991251>>737991421you're rightalso the wii u was more successful than the ps5 because its software attachment rate was way higher
>>737993104The difference between a Nintendo console and the ps5 is that Sony makes lots of the money through subscriptions and mtx as well as software sales. The Wii U was not a success overall, whereas PS5 was. Much like how you can sell a lot of hardware quick like switch 2 and it can still not be making enough money, just like Wii U and high attach rate. The switch 2 is selling lots of hardware which is lower margin than the switch 1 on top of less software sold per console. Add the ram and part crisis to the mix and investors are worried.
>>737988675>>737988597That's not a Nintendo trend, it's a Japan trend.
>>737993324Nintendo has vastly lower production and admin costs than Sony. Sony sells at a loss most of the time, whereas the WiiU sold at a profit, and only lost Nintendo money two years out of its lifespan.
>>737991895Yes. The winning move is to laugh and not buy at any price.
>>737988343People are really enjoying it I hear. Then they list to me all the ports they’re rebuying? I don’t understand it myself.
>>737988471>AI Overview>No figures cited>RedditNeed I say more?
>>737993324>t-that doesn't count!Nintendo has subscriptions too.Also, Nintendo software output is larger and not bloated with AAAA live service flops like Sony is.
>>737993324so you admit the wii u was more successful than the ps5 glad we cleared that up
>>737993459The ps5 was losing money for about 8 months until it was being sold at a profit. The problem with the switch 2 is that 5 million of them have been sold at some kind of decent loss. That makes the 17m figure not as nice as you would think. The switch 2 was kind of Nintendos first step into low margin hardware on a scale like this. Nintendo even said that the Japan model would have a downward effect on profit margins or profit overall despite being a massive success in that country. Combine that with lower software attach rates than the 1 had (which also sold at a profit even initially) and you’ve got an issue.
>>737993597Nintendos subscriptions don’t account for 50m users spending between 80-160 dollars yearly. Nowhere near the scale of PS. Sony has gotten away with so many flops because third party does a lot of heavy lifting. Sony has created a steam like storefront that just sells and sells. People buy whatever they want on it exclusive or not
>>737993640I never said that. Wii U can have as high of an attach rate as it wants, just like switch 2 can sell however much hardware as it wants, doesn’t guarantee success for either necessarily depending on certain conditions
>>737993567go on...
>>737988343I'll simply wait for the next Zelda to get one, shitrio is no longer a system seller
>>737993662>That makes the 17m figure not as nice as you would think.no it doesn't
>>737993854Nintendo themselves said it. They said the success of the amount sold in Japan would hurt profitability. It’s not like they sold 17m consoles with as good of profit margins as the switch 1 had nor the software sales.
>>737993884Doesn't matter. There's a reason selling low--margin or loss hardware is a viable strategy. The main goal is to get the hardware in the hands of as many people as possible. The hardware was never a big money-maker anyway, even with better margins.
>>737993927Now their hardware is even on thinner margins and they are selling even less software per unit in the wild. They also don’t have premium subscriptions that sell like PS does and PS operates on the thin margin hardware but mitigate it largely through that. Software is very important for Nintendo and attach rates are less than wanted.
I know this is a shitpost thread but I'm bored.As the one anon that owns both fuck no it isn't, the Wii U was an irredeemable piece of shit, only reason I ever played that slop was for WW remake (fun apart from the BLOOM) and MK8. Garbage system that I regret getting otherwise. Switch 2 is a good system it just has shit/no games atm. MKW get's mogged by MK8DX and Sanic Racing in the fun and racing department, Legends ZA was mid as fuck, everything else is dogshit except fucking Pokopia of all things. Funny enough the 2nd best game on the system is fucking Scarlet/Violet because the game actually functions on real hardware, making it clear that either the Switch 2 got delayed or they forced S/V out early, or maybe they are just fucking retarded who knows.Do I regret it? No because I got to play S/V at 60 FPS and Pokopia was fun. Was it worth $500? Also no.
Scared of the May report, I see.
>>737994010but that doesn't lessen the effect of having a lot of consoles out there, which is what I'm talking about. Now they can release a mario or zelda or whatever people care about and the likelihood that it sells well, and the network effect of people hearing about it from others, is much higher. Not having sold much hardware would be a death sentence, but switch 2 will probably be fine. It's probably gonna be a while before switch 3.
>>737993823>openslop zelda 1.3yuck
>>737994182What is there to be scared of?>>737994184Obviously a lot of hardware being out there is better than not but when you have 5 million sold at a loss in Japan it starts to paint the bigger picture. Like I said Nintendo said that the big success of the Japanese model would hurt profitability despite the high sales. It’s not exactly a normal console launch so it’s kind of hard to see how it will play out.
Switch 2 being sold at a loss is bullshit btw. Literally one "analyst" making it up.
theyre calling op the faggot
>>737994330It is being sold at a loss in Japan and Nintendos guy Furukawa said it would hurt profitability due to high sales in that region.
>>737994313>What is there to be scared of?You tell me.
>>737994313>Like I said Nintendo said that the big success of the Japanese model would hurt profitability despite the high sales.I don't get why you keep mentioning that Nintendo said that. So what? They planned on selling at lower margin to move hardware during a critical period because they thought it was worth the tradeoff (being lower profit for a time). I don't need Nintendo to tell me that lower margins would reduce profits in the short term. That's obvious. They're just announcing their strategy and saying they're aware of the trade they're making.
>>737988690You are aware that Switch 2 owners also buy Switch software which isn´t counted?
>>737994330I don't think Nintendo has sold a system at a loss in their entire history, much less the last twenty years.>>737994363That's complete bullshit, Switch 2's chip is comparable to a low-end tablet, everything about it is low-end, from the specs to the build quality, to the fucking plastic it uses. It might have smaller margins in some areas, but no fucking way is it selling at a loss anywhere.
>>737988343that 30 day shit really mindbroke you guys huh
>>737994407Is that a significant amount?>>737994396>>737994381So that answers your question. The only thing anyone is fearing is the announcement of failing to meet projections or goals.>>737994427So why did furukawa say that
>>737993567Keep coping
>>737994363>Furukawa said it would hurt profitability due to high sales in that region.Did he come to you in a dream?
>>737988675Sony is up 0.29% in 5 years, in spite of all their profits. Most gaming companies tend to be even worse off and always shit the bed somehow, despite being apart of a multi-hundred billion dollar industry.
>>737994594>apart ofno, they are very much a part of it.dunno why you'd expect them turning a profit to cause share price to constantly soar, anyway. It's priced in. People expect them to make profit.
>>737994575Furukawa:Hardware-related procurement purchases are primarily made in U.S. dollars, so given thecurrent exchange rate environment, the better-than-projected hardware sales in Japan willhave a downward effect on gross profit and operating profit.Pulled from the translated interview.
>>737988675You were lied to in your finance class. Stocks are pure future projection and not based on actual current events.
>>737994527I guess since a lot of games don´t have a Switch 2 version. See Mario Galaxy, Tomodachi etc.
>>737991892The expansion pak at least gave us the absolute kino that is Majora's Mask. Switch 2 doesn't have a game worthy to even kiss the feet of Majora's Mask.
>>737988663WE AINT DOIN GEOMETRY.
>>737988980You haven't the faintest clue how the stock market moves. Shit is looking bleak with AI as a multi-faceted threat, no games, nobody buying games and Nintendo isn't helping matters by caring more about shitty movies than making or announcing games. If investors think they're about to lose a ton of money by holding, they sell.
>>737988376Woah dude, why are you so mad?
>>737988915the switch 2 released as well as all of the big games they announced, the stock peaked. Why would an investor stay? the holiday season was the best time to sell and probably will be until the next holiday season
>>737988675It used to be like this, about 20 years ago.
>>737988597Blackrock sold their shares and started shorting it. That's 90% of the reason, 10% being the japan economy being bad right now.Stocks are bullshit, everyone knows. When it gets low enough, Blackrock is going to buy back and it will go back up.Nobody trades stocks based on fundamentals anymore, it's all about "the people that own the market, what are they planning?"
>>737994752that does not say what you claim it does lmao
Hourly snoygroid cry thread.Reminder you'll never be able to make another Sony sales thread ever again.
>>737988343>Mario Kart World is too expensive it’s over!>Mario Kart World is too cheap it’s over!
>>737994752Are you actually retarded? None of that means the Switch 2 is being sold at a loss in Japan.
>be nintendo>make smash bros machines>make new smash bros machine>dont put smash bros on it>doesnt selljust give it a year sakurai already finished his side project he isnt doing anything else until smash bros is out
>>737988597shut up and pretend that March sales (not November/December) are significant you damn bigot chud
The problem is that games aren't selling
>>738000724A 2.3 game per console is very lowYes, Nintendo can profit today by selling their dated hardware from 10 years at high prices, but that's not a strong inflow. Reason why investors are walking away
>>737988621>it means that stocks have no correlation whatsoever with how a company's actually doingOr that the company isn't going very well? Lmao imagine thinking being the best selling console right now means anything. There hasn't been another console released in 6 years.
If they made a purely docked version of the console with price point to match it'd be a huge success. It's already a dogshit handheld anyway.
>>737988471>>737988343Super Switch U won
call me when i can get a switch 2 with botw, smash bros and mario kart for $300
>>737988471>it outsold a 5 year old consolecongrats?
>>737988597Explain what you think an ADR is without googling it.
>>737988597I don't know why Nintendo just doesn't buy back their own stocks during large dips like that.
How's the second hand market for Switch 2's? People gotta be losing faith in droves, maybe I can alleviate them of their bricks.
>>738000724I mean realistically, the games Nintendo are putting out aren't really worth it.MKW is cool but MK8DX is still a compelling package with more content. Mario Tennis Fever isn't worth $70 when you can still play Aces either. Yet another Zelda musou isn't exciting when you can play the others, etc. Pokopia is the recent must have and it's a literal reskin of an existing game. KAR isn't worth it because you have access to MKW and MK8DX so KAR becomes $70 for 1 city trial map. Nintendo's choice of a launch year lineup has been weak and there's too much competition with previous games they themselves released. New versions of games worked for the Switch where the old versions weren't playable, it's a much harder sell on the Switch 2 where those Switch versions are in fact playable.
>>738000982>A 2.3 game per console is very lowSeems pretty good to me for a less-than-a-year-old console with backwards compatibility.I don't think Nintendo is concerned that Tomodachi Life players on Switch 2 aren't counted for nerds on the internet to see.
>>737988597The absolute state of schizos lmao>Not long until Nintendo released their quarterly report. >/v/troons start shitting themselves in advance Every time
>>738000982Anon if you buy a Switch 1 game on your Switch 2 it counts as a Switch 1 software sale
What the excuse in the next few years when it out sells the PS5?
Nintendo won. Simple as
I don't get it. /v/ complains when Nintendo doesn't lower the prices of the games, but also when they do?
Switch 2 only appeals to Nintendo fans. It's like MCU Avengers sequel number 36 "OMG Sparklesuck and Glup Shitto are finally teaming up in this one!" Nobody who isn't already invested doesn't care
Did OP really crashout and stay up all night bumping these Nintendo FUD threads?
>>738004869Are you surprised?
