>>737995058
blizzardsisters... we've finally won

>>737995058
played 10 minutes of this shit when it launched, then went back to poe1. Will try it in 5 years when it's complete

I had fun with the 20 something € I spent
Clocked in like 120 hours, it's enough
The game is dogshit, broken, with the most cancerous playerbase since I don't even know how long, and GGG let their kiwinigger nature take over.
I'll be seeing ya in 5 years, hopefully the game is at least future complete by then.

>>737995058
I don't think we can spam D4BAD out way out of this any longer, poop2 bros.
GGG needs to actually deliver for once.

>>737995058
After seeing the first few months of launch I checked out of the game entirely.
Gameplay issues aside,
The fact that they've just allowed RMT economy vampires to completely lock out the top tier gameplay and own the market on every item that matters has removed any of the enjoyment I had surrounding builds.
This is kinda what happens when tencent owns your company. One of the RMT groups they are somehow affiliated with/own are already embedded in their IP, so all of the western servers get immensely fucked over by this shit while chinese servers are managed and purged.

>poe2 still not close to being done and having to be reworked into a poe1 graphics upgrade
>diablo 4 bad
>last epoch committed seppuku with shitty monetization
sad

>>737995372
I thought Trans Epoch was /ourgame/ sisters

They were raped by Diablo 4 and they hurried to make some sort of teaser for their upcoming update which will be another dogshit update.

It's time to give up on PoO 2.

Fuck Jonathan's gay little game made for consoles, scrap it and move all its assets to the one true Path of Exile.

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>>737995372
But there is one they fear.

>>737995058
I played through the campaign once and was reasonably entertained by it. The endgame felt too hostile so I didn’t bother grinding it to see the extra bosses.

>>737995372
>diablo 4 bad
notice how people don't even explain what they mean by this, it's such a forced meme

>>737995250
>The economy is ruined thx to RMT and botter
>It the chink fault
>Chink take control
>Game bad shouldn't have let chink control
>It the chink fault again
Damned if you do, damned if you don't anon. Jenebu is dead along with his cronies what else do you want?

>>737995250
Chris Wilson literally funded the development on poe by rmting in diablo 2 lmao.

>>737995058
Not really. 0.1 was OK but they have been pandering to PoE1tards with every update since.

PoE2 is good when it's rollslop-like, if I wanted to play a panchinko cookieclicker-like I'd just play PoE1.

>>737995720
you seething troons will believe absolutely anything

Maybe if you put this much effort baiting out forced thread engagement then /d4g/ would still be a thing.

>>737995540
>grim yawn

I haven't found the will to finish the campaign a second time after 0.1 because I know there's still nothing to do once you reach maps. Maybe it will change this time

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>Jonathan makes a league
>Its shit
>Mark makes a league
>It's fun
No clue why they keep this fucking retard involved mark had to bail him out for poe2, he makes the bald fraud look competent

>>737995058
I enjoyed the free weekend a few months ago but don't want to pay full price for a f2p game which I'll likely drop after completing the campaign. When is the full release expected?

>>737995735
>actually that thing that literally everyone hated was great, this is why the developer panicked and reversed it

>>737996460
Octavian made the recent PoE 1 league tho tourist.

>delay it for another month
ggg needs to stop the league bullshit and just update the fucking game.
also god I wish Crate would put a hard release date on the GD xpac.

>>737995674
>damned if you don't
what part is the 'don'ts'
>chink take control
>economy still fucking rruined thx to RMT and botting

>>737995058
From the teasers so far, it’s not at all clear what they’re up to, so I’m intrigued.
>>737996581
Just so you know, you’ll have to pay roughly this price anyway. At the very least, you’ll need to buy basic tabs and access to Poe 2 essentially comes as a bonus with the support pack which includes currency.

>>737996581
They're announcing the release date at their convention in November.
Potential Dec Release.

There is a new update later this month, which they're revealing it next week, depending on what they add will determine how close were getting to release.

>>737996609
I played this league and I actually cannot remember what the mechanic was. I guess that means it at least wasn't actively bad like Keepers so that's something.

>>737996827
endless porting to a tiny mirror section of the map you just ran

retarded map UI that you could never find the area you wanted to go

Why are they taking so long? This shit was supposed to come out last year. Worry about the league shit later. They are treating the game as if it's already a finished live service game when it's still in early access.

>>737996963
Oh yeah Mirage. No wonder I couldn't remember it it was just doing what you were doing twice. I like the new/old atlas though it's closer to how it was back when they were doing cool things with it and there's finally potential for them to do interesting things with it again.

>>737997073
All leagues up to 1.0 will remain in the game. They’ve promised that Poe 2 will feature all these mechanics at launch.

>>737997073
They don't have enough people to work on both games productively at the same time. Their original plan was to abandon the first game completely to focus on the second but the PR blowback was a lot more than they anticipated so instead they're now half-assing both games to keep people 'happy'.

>>737997254
poe1 niggers ruin everything

>>737995816
idk about the diablo 2 thing but he 100% allowed and actually supplied RMT in poe when it launched for a long time
owner of a RMT site was also a shareholder
there were atziri items on HC despite nobody killing her yet

>>737996758
>you’ll have to pay roughly this price anyway
I'm not planning to play this game for hundreds of hours, I thought that those qol improvements were a must if you were committed to the game.

>>737995058
>Are you guys still playing?
No I am waiting for patches to unfuck the game LMAOOOO

>>737997418
You’ll at least need the currency tab to play the endgame. Also you can’t sell items without purchasing the tab. It’s fine if you just want to play through the campaign, but the endgame requires at least basic tabs

I'm really sad I spent money on getting into the early access.
I've played maybe 30 hours out of it, so I mean, I got my money's worth I guess but a lot of it was significant pain at initial release and I haven't even touched it cause they still haven't fixed darkness monk, and that was basically the only spec Iw as actually interested in.

>>737995058
i remember the days when the content creators like raiz told everyone "if you don't like the game just quit" in poe1 because of complaints of the games direction, so i did and went back to diablo 2 i'll never touch their games again as long as i live i got told to quit and i did.

>>737997546
Honest and good advice.
No point tormenting yourself with a game you don't enjoy and clueless people.

>>737997546
Yet it still lives rent free in your head lmao.
Face it, GGG MINDFUCKED ya.

>>737997546
It’s perfectly fine not to like a particular game and not to play it, but it would be foolish to deny that GGG dominates ARPG market.

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I filed for a refund for PoE2 after jonathan walked back on his promise that poe2 wouldn't be like poe1, sent an email to GGG and everything but they still refused to.

>>737997759
Yup, and it's too late to chargeback now, get fucked dweeb

>>737997751
lol lets not deny reality, no one gives a fuck about poe or 2, diablo 2 and even 4 are doing better than ever, ggg is trash.

>>737997797
yea theyre a bunch of cheating jews and their players shabbosgoy

>>737997828
you know objective reality still exists, right

>>737997867
cope and seethe, no one likes your faggot game.

>>737997828
0.5 announcement has more views than the release trailer for new Diablo 4 expansion

>>737998302
Ah yes views, have you reached the discord members milestone yet? I eagerly await the twitter announcement of that.

>>737995058
I didn't even make it to Act4 last league. I really don't like it. I just want more PoE1. I probably have autism desu. They seem to by hyping it a bit and the league looks ok so far. The last league looked good from afar, if you ignore the cheese strats. If you're into PoE2 they're doing ok

>>737995250
Poe had rmt pre tencent
Games will always have rmt if possible, thirdie neets need to pay rent somehow

>>737997751
Diablo makes more money most likely
Poe just has a fandom that's not entirely dad gamers, so the games have more online presence and retention

>>737998726
>Diablo makes more money most likely
Probably, but I don’t think it has more players. Most of the purchases in the cash shop come from whales rather than regular players.
I generally don't believe that Blizzard games are as popular as they claim. There’s so much fiddling going on to hide the actual player numbers that I simply can’t believe them. Do you really want me to believe that Diablo 3, which was abandoned after its very first expansion, is currently more popular than both poe games? Really?

endgame overhaul with all league mechanics being overhauled
2 classes
2 new weapons
countless new skills and overhauled skills

this is a big one

>>737998726
>most likely
You don't need to be coy around this. GGG's income and the like are public and you can find it if you want. Financially GGG are small scale compared to Blizzard who are on a totally different level. I doubt GGG has even outearned D3 after like a decade

Spiritually PoE is on a stronger level and there's a lot of extremely obvious game design rules that GGG use well that afaik are totally absent in Diablo

>>737995540
Expo in next 2 months. GD still the only good modern isoarpg. Has aged like fine wine, meanwhile PoopExile rose and fell, and has yet to come back up. TQ2 dormat for a long time so it's nothing for now.

>>737998726
>Diablo makes more money most likely
so youre telling me, that a game that costs $50 per copy makes more money than a free game? no fucking way...

>>737998963
source?

>>737999050
datamining mostly
trailers

>>737999013
Nta but D4 is notorious for its mtx cosmetics. Ironically though they still do not cost as much as PoE2 cosmetics.

>>737999083
source?

>>737999121
are you capable of using a browser and the internet

>>737999013
Often that's typically not the case, though. Some of the biggest $ games of modern-era are f2p.

>>737999050
People keep bullshiting in the general and creating increasingly absurd claims. You'll def get swords at a minimum though

>>737998963
We’ll most likely end up with just one class
If we do end up with multiple classes, there’ll be three or four
The chance of us getting two classes is about the same as not getting any at all
>>737999050
Endgame overhaul has been promised for a long time
Teasers show existing mechanics and Korean channel has leaked that the next teaser will be about Breach
They’ve updated the artwork for skills and classes that haven’t been released yet
>>737999121
https://poe2db.tw/us/Gem#UnknownActiveGem

>>737999121
it came to me in a dream

>>737999013
>$50
bro a sword mtx is like 80 dollars in poe

>>737998668
Just do a Diablo 4

>>737999135
>>737999167
>>737999195
>it's big nothing
Wow, least obvious shills. Release must be close if campaign started already.

>>737999197
I really fucking hate every nigger who defends these insane prices regardless of any f2p game
>Just dont buy it
>You're poor
>They aren't a charity

>>737999287
Funny thing is I always prefer games you need to buy, rather than F2P. Filters out most retards/turd-worlders and typically the extras (dlc/mtx etc) are much better priced than F2P garbo.

>>737999287
edomite mind control is hard to break if born into a lineage of cattle

>>737999260
play d4 babby

every poe2 thread on this board is identical. Same tired shitposts, same opinions, everything.
Go back to your containment general. We're two months into mirage so your NEET ass has nothing better to do.

>>737999093
>>737999150
>>737999197
anons dont be dumb, you know the math as well as I do, most money from mtx comes from like 2% of users that just buy everything they can like 3 times over
both games have this but only one gets $50 for every player, even the ones that drop it after tutorial pays, its obviously going to make more money short term

>bro a sword mtx is like 80 dollars in poe
right so d4 players will give blizzard 80+50 = $130
poe players will give ggg $80
its easy to see who made more money

>>737999167
>>737999157
>>737999083
thanks anons, the datamining stuff existed for a long time now so I'm not thinking much of it but they better deliver that endgame overhaul this time
extra classes would be nice though

Do you 30 remaining PoE1 players ever get tired of posting the same things over and over again?

PoE2 player counts continue to shit on PoE1 league releases every time it gets a patch, despite it being in EA, far from finished, and pay2play. If PoE2 is doing bad according to you, what the hell is PoE1 doing? Free game btw. You lost.

>>737999407
duelist is definitely coming with 0.5, especially based on posts from ggg employees. Doubt they'll do more than one class in a single update though.
>>737999542
there's a large overlap between playing arpg's and mental illness. So you have a combination of schizo neets and thirdies because it's f2p posting on this board who will vehemently attack poe2 because there's a paywall or their computer can't run it

>>737999640
>duelist
aw snap, i was hoping for templar or shadow

>>737997254
>Their original plan was to abandon the first game completely to focus on the second
Liar. GGG stated that Poe2s development would not affect Poe 1. That was also a lie.

>>737999752
>GGG stated that Poe2s development would not affect Poe 1.
I can't believe so many people believed this. It's fucking impossible to do. You can not give a studio/group of people extra work and not have it affect "performance" of all current/already-existing tasks.
>hey guys we're making an extra project but you gotta keep doing what you're all already doing
Stating "won't affect performance" is effectively saying it will all entirely be free. Free of finance, free of skill, free of labour/time.

>>737995058
I played D4 for a week and now I can't wait for more PoE2. For all its flaws its still so much better.

blizzard won

>>738000071
In 2001

>>738000117
and every year after that

>>738000146
Take your meds

>go to /vg/
>look up diablo
>only search result is overwatch general
>on the week of an expansion release
>lmao even
>look up poe
>there's always a thread up no matter how dead the league is
>"Blizzard won"

Its crazy how much inertia counts. D2 was massive because there's was like 5 games to play. Then 13 years later or whatever it was D3 was one of the biggest games ever, capitalising on the interest D2 generated. The distance between PoE1 and PoE2 is analogous to D2 / D3 but it has no where near the cultural gravitas or accumulated playerbase, despite largely being better

>>738000383
>Diabkings too busy actually playing the game

>D3 was one of the biggest games ever

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>>738000532
Yes

>>738000652
Are you really going to ignore what happened next? Or were you just not born yet and can only judge it based on wiki?

>>738000652
>wikipedia citation
lmao zoomers are fucking cooked

PoE2 has no hope since the developers rugpulled all the new players and told them actually no this game is also a shit combat cookie clicker particle generator like the first game.
This studio's days are numbered purely because the only people who like this 'gameplay' are mazed broken husks collecting thumbnail images instead of true skill and memories. Their playerbase will age itself to death, I imagine their average playerbase age is early 40's at this point and all these people will die from heart disease and thrombosis related issues.

They had a chance to climb up and become a AAA dev respected on the world stage but instead they slurped chink cum for cash payout and then made the 2nd game a shit prettier clone of the first one that no one likes.

>>737996607
Only PoE players hated it. They had 2mill people on launch across all platforms, and guess where 90% of them went? They left. Because GGG focused on what the 120k PoE players wanted, not what the hundreds of thousands of new players wanted.

>>738001240
>AAA dev respected on the world stage
What year is it in your brain bud?

>>738001329
>Only PoE players hated it
everyone was saying the exact same shit at launch - player character moves through molasses while enemies sprint at you, you have to rollslop constantly, there is almost no loot dropping, flask changes suck dick. Even THE biggest GGG dicksuckers like talkativetri were basically playing defense about how this is just growing pains etc. Practically no one liked poe2 at launch. Casuals thought it was too hard and went back to D4, while hardcores went back to poe1 which actually had content

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>>738001498
The solution was to fix the enemies. The player movement was fine, the roll is kinda clunky but it works.

The entire problem with poe2 is monsters #1 and bad player combat attacks/animations #2

Monsters have no ai or routines, no downtime, there are no phases where monsters can just stare you down or back away in fear or let you create openings like every other normal game. In PoE monsters don't even have any other animation other than run forward and attack, so that's all they can do. Because of the procedural nature of the game, there's no true navmesh and pathing so monsters literally just again, have no ai, just zoom straight to you on shortest path possible.

This combined with the players attack combat animations having no distance, no movement motion or coverage means that you are swarmed and stuck in place trying to hit one creature at a time while they literally occupy the space all around you. Oh, and your melee attacks can miss because 'accuracy' is a mechanic even though your weapon is physically swinging through them. Such a mechanic does not belong in an action game.

If GGG were serious about fixing their game, they would make all monsters have walking backwards, idling, afraid, cautious etc animations and let monsters react less like a mass of glitter spewing out of a bag and more like things you can push and pull and create an ebb and flow to combat to suit your space needs within the combat zone. There is no interplay, no spacing or zoning in poe gameplay. The systems do not allow for it.

Naturally, this means everything I just wrote down can only be solved by the player in one way: blow the entire screen up. Do not engage with monsters or their mechanics, do not even see them play animations. They need to immediately be dead, and your animation needs to be as fast and janky and glitchy as possible to make this happen.

That is why PoE sucks. Lazy game creation leads to a domino of effects that causes it's problems.

>>737995058
they buffing viper? make it so she spawns 100 corpses and uses vaal corpse explosion

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>>737995540
>can't make a character who looks like that
very grim

>>738001748
HOLY TRVKE NVKE

>>738001748
>he dies to trash
fix the fuckin bosses fuck the trash

PoE was fundamentally shit from it's inception because it was made by d2jsp "the hecking PLAYER ECONOMY dood!!!!" retards. The game's droprates are literally custom made for RMT and botting and GGG staff has been involved in skimming dosh by doing RMT schemes in PoE.

>>737995250
Just play HCSSF

>>738002345
>just grind for items with a 0.000000034% drop rate specifically designed to be available only to chink/russian botters

>>738000652
>you must be 18 years old to use this website

When is someone going to make an iso arpg that is good and fun and doesn't require online and isn't built around trading and not getting items.

>>738002549
Last Epoch works offline and you can just do the solo self found mode and join the Circle of Fortune which is specifically made for ssf

kill async trade

>>738002639
I have to play as a nigger in that and it has no character CC, so no I cannot play it

>>738001748
This is something I think Johnathan doesn't really understand and why, while hand-crafted boss/miniboss encounters can be like he envisions, the trash is just POE1 but with better grafix. And those handmade encounters are less numerous the deeper in to the Acts you go.

>>738002549
Grim Dawn. LE was promising but it died in the ass recently (got bought out and has overall been deteriorating)

>>738000718
What happened next was overtime reaching 30m sales
Diablo did gangbusters on Switch

>>738002898
So you’re Nintendo fanboy whose first ARPG was Diablo 3. That actually explains a lot.

>>737995058
Add support classes.

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>>737995058
>next league confirmed to be delirium 2.0
>faggots about to bitch about nonexistent fog again for the next 6 months
it's so tiresome

>>738005997
>CuteDog_ not so cute anymore

>>738005997
They’re just updating Delirium and all the other old mechanics. That trailer with the spider was for Expedition and Korean Youtube channel has already leaked that the next trailer will be about Breach

RMTDog_

>>738002345
Why would you ever play ssf when it gives literally zero benefits?

this game is for low iq autists

Why would you ever play hc when it gives literally zero benefits?

PoE2 really dropped the ball for me. Everything about the Witch and her masteries are just dogshit, and Spirit is a cucked mechanic. I will never go back to that piece of trash. PoE1 still reigns supreme.

>>737995058
>Are you guys still playing?
you retards actually paid for early access to a free to play game?

>>738006152
Another PoE 1 midwit filtered

>>738006168
>He has no stash tabbies
lule, complete retard alert.

>>738006117
That is a good question too.

>>738006206
who gives a fuck what you chinks think..?

>>738006117
The Thrill of... THE VOID

>>738006372
>He lost to Chinks
LMAAAAAOOOOOO, poor wyatt boi.

the only way to enjoy these games at face value is ssf blind hardcore playthroughs, if you are trading and doing endgame shit you are just a drug addict basically

>>737995554
>This game looks fun. I'm going to play the hammer bro
>oh I can make a shield build that's awesome I love tanking
>start to encounter bosses with dps checks. I can survive fights just fine but get 1 shot from not doing damage fast enough at a certain point in the battle.
Easiest 130 gb I ever got back on my ssd

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>>738006496
He's right

>>738006557
>I should face no adversity in my video games.
Enjoy your mindless sony brand walking and talking experiences bro.

>>738006496
Poe endgame mechanics are far more interesting than campaign and many of them are well worth playing just for fun

>>738006557
Melee becomes outright tedious and painful in the latter half of Act 2 and beyond because many elites and bosses especially just strafe around while filling the entire screen with bullets and if you're a melee you're just rollslopping like a cuck barely getting any hits in compared to ranged and casters who can roll and shoot at the same time.

>>738006084
The benefit is it makes the game more fun. If you play trade you can clear all the content in 3-7 days, powerful items are way too accessible.

>>738006910
Which is just the right amount of time, don't you have other games to play? PoE isn't THAT great that it warrants dedicating weeks of your time into it every league.

>>738006910
You know you can play trade and not trade right?

>>738007026
Having the option of playing 2-3 weeks on sff before I clear everything is peak.
If i want to play something else i just do that, there is no fomo on ssf. I can just come back finish it 2 months later before the league ends if i want.

>>738007309
Then i can't place on the leaderboard for ssf league.

>>738007352
Fair I guess. I just find it harder and harder to return to a game (or in PoE's case, the same build) the more time passes.

>>737995540
grim yawn is a joke how long has this dlc been in development

Templar when ?

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>>738007964
prob never...

Are axes and swords really not in Poop2 yet?
>t. hasn't played since 0.1

>>738008421
Lmao no. It's been 2 years and the game doesn't have any bladed weapons besides spears.

>>738008582
Fuckin' ay. I don't play melee much but I'm not doing mace shit again. Fuck sake.
>inb4 axes and swords are ultimately not going to be better even in terms of >fun

>>737995058
I will play the campaign once when all chapters are out and uninstall. That's how games are meant to be played.