How does making a new game rape the old? The original is still right there.

I didn't buy this game. I didn't play it. I replayed the original FF7 for probably the 15th time in my life recently. It's still perfect.

>>738796828
Great start of a thread, perfect way to start a discussion
>why yes, FFVII remake RAPED your childhood, but why do you accept!????
Awesome

>>738797029
It's the full intent of the developers to replace the original culturally and aesthetically, else they would have called it something like "The Midgar Chronicles" and not "Final Fantasy VII".
And if we're to just accept that the old one still exists, then we're just accepting a nonstop train of shit into our mouths until the end of time. It would be nice if, you know, games were good again.

>original still exist
>available on every platform
>remake somehow ruined the game according to "purists"
fuck off

>>738797335
Square-Enix rereleased the original FF7 with fixes to run unmodded on modern machines a couple of months ago. You're obviously autistic or suffering from some other mental illness.

>>738796828
Remakes have been around forever, even long before there were video games. It's annoying as shit to use the name of something you like while making something that won't appeal to anyone that likes it. FF7R, like most remakes, is judged mainly on whether it's any good or not. It's good enough for a lot of people to like it. There's valid criticism about it not being a faithful remake, but a game can be an unfaithful remake and still be fun.

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>>738797335
>else they would have called it something like "The Midgar Chronicles" and not "Final Fantasy VII".

>>738796828
That's just the cattle. Us who are critical are just banned from forums.

>>738796828
The first game was able to take advantage of covid but the the second game didn't even see an adoption rate that was even comparable and flopped

>>738796828
Millennials are the generation brought up on brand loyalty. They don't care what happens with the brand, they'll just consume it as long as it is brand.
Every generation before and after don't share the same cult-like brand loyalty.

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>>738797797
>The first game was able to take advantage of covid but the the second game didn't even see an adoption rate that was even comparable and flopped
because they don't update numbers every two weeks like capcom, it doesn't mean it's not selling. Picrel is series milestones

>>738796828
Because many of them did not play it. The same thing that causes them to embrace remakes is the same thing that causes apologists to come out of the woodwork to rehabilitate the image of a bad game after a certain period of time: no one is going to go back and play the original.

In the case of remakes, everyone who missed out is not going to hunt down a way to play the original, especially if it is something that takes more technical capability to even get running. In the case of apologists, they know no one is going to actually go back and verify that they are actually being forthright and honest about how good the piece of shit they are trying to make look like a masterpiece actually is.

It's just taking advantage of the fact that once something is far enough in the past people are more accepting if it is brought back and presented to them as something they can experience in some way instead of just hearing about it.

>>738797335
Like >>738797572 suggested, the word "remake" in the title is meant to seperate it from the original. Characters know of events very similar to those happening now, and either "remake" what already exists or make a new world. It's weaselly to call it FF7 Remake and intentionally not remake FF7, but it has a different title to go with the different plot. Rebirth doesn't have the problem of a confusing name.

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>>738797630
Maybe if you get kicked out of hundreds of different forums independently of one another you are the problem, not them.

i've played and finished the original at least 20 times, and i'm ok with a reinterpretation of it. If you're not you can just ignore it?

>>738797442
A pity "there you go now shut up" gesture

Ignoring something doesn't change the way it affects public perception and discourse which in turn affects future trajectories.
>dude just think about the time before you were raped and its like it never happened
Most cucked fanbase ever.

>>738798261
They did the same thing in 2013 for machines of that period, kept the game on modern consoles, and have never delisted anything from digital storefronts.

>>738797804
Regardless of what happens in part 3 it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to their intelligence, utter trash. They could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point fans like them became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>738797990
They update after important milestones, which is sufficient but Rebirth stopped hitting them. Hiding Rebirth sales in total franchise sales is disingenuous.

I don't care about how faithful it is. They can do something new if they have a good idea. My problem with it isn't that it's different, the problem is it's different and shit.

>>738798521
>100 hour long bartending simulator is bad because uhhh no reason given it just would be
???

>>738798630
Most people say that it is shit since it is different.

>>738798630
Many feel this way but it ruins the fans strawman arguments so they pretend anyone who dislikes remake is a purist

>>738797572
game so disappointing, the simps have to scramble to redefine a word. lmao

remember the E3 of dreams? remember how excited everyone was after that first trailer?
now imagine that word was replaced by literally anything else. (Reimagining, Reboot, Retold, Readorned, Reinvented, Reaffixed, Reappraised, literally anything else, not just re-words)
think they would have still been as excited?

>>738798740
True. The guy above you is trying that right now.

>>738798510
Wow, good for them. Now which game gets advertised as the definitive way to experience the story?

>>738798617
ok but what else is selling the most besides Rebirth, FF16 and the pixel remasters? from 180 million in june 2023 (FF16 release) to December 2025 (Rebirth PC in january) they sold 27 million copies, probably 3-5 million more since. You can guess a rough estimate.

>>738797335
You sound schizophrenic.

>>738798912
I see, so positive guesses are ok but negative guesses are not.

It’s a sunk cost fallacy after they begged Square for a remake for decades

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>>738798909
Probably the one described as a timeless classic in their own official material?

>>738798912
I think that the logic used is baby's logic: if i dont see it, it didnt happen/doesnt exist.
As long as SE doesnt say anything about sales, the game hasnt sold a copy.

>>738798709
>Most people say that it is shit
True. No wonder they didn't buy Rebirth.

>>738798982
nothing positive or negative, just speculation with what makes sense

>>738799118
The entire remake trilogy will be forgotten after a month when it's finally done, doomed to only be discussed by the obsessive nohopers who cling to this IP due to an unhealthy attachment to the characters. The world will move on, but this dwindling group of autistic balding millennials will still insist the trilogy was a phenomenal success and continue discussing it like the shit movie that came out 20 years ago that nobody but them cares about.
tl;dr: The OG will continue to be a classic, the remake trilogy will be tossed on the garbage pile like all other compilation trash.

>>738799228
yeah, you are right

>>738799228
This is already happening

>>738799228
this is like predicting rain when it's already falling. you're not wrong but it's also just stating the obvious

>>738799118
The cattle usually dont have taste so im not surprised. It is a shame.

>>738799387
there are schizos in this very thread saying the remake will replace the original and square is trying to bury the original

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>>738796828
As a millennial who played FFVII as a kid, I am forced to believe that the people who love the VII Remake are zoomers who are larping as millennials. There is no way whatsoever that someone who actually likes Final Fantasy VII truly enjoys the VII Remake. Maybe if Nomura didn't add time jannies to the game it could have been alright, but Nomura gonna Nomura. Thanks to him, it's just a whole lot of wasted potential. Rebirth sold so poorly that Square Enix refuses to make any sort of announcement, and everyone just wants it to be over and done with so they (and Square Enix) can move on with their lives. Whoever thought it should be 3 games, and whoever okay'd it being 3 games both need to be fired.

>>738796828
>accept
I tried this and RE2 remake
both were shit and I refused to buy another remake.
>embrace
that would be the socmed zoomers and soilennials trying to LARP

>>738799440
And they're wrong because even if SE did want that, they're already failing.

>>738799474
Zoomers don't give a shit about remake. Remakes only audience are autistic guys in their 40s who are obsessed enough with the ff7 cast to swallow any turd that lets them spend more time with their wholesome blorbos before going online to talk about ships for hours

>>738799634
Sadly true

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>>738796828
Square Enic openly stated before Remake came out that they deviated from the original gameplay and made some alterations to the story so the remake trilogy and the OG would exist separately as two different experiences
>OP woke up and decided to be a know nothing faggot anyways

Why are Zoomers like this

I look forward to trying out FF7 when part 3 drops.

>>738798058
I've actually never been banned (aside from the occasional racism ban on 4chan) I'm just taking a piss. And still not embracing the remakes.

>>738799660
>>738799634
>>738799474
God, you faggots cant even make sense, which one is it to blame? zoomers or millenials? is FF an old people franchise or for zoomers? is it good to be liked by zoomers or liked by millenials?
I guess people just interchange this whenever fits the argument.

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>>738796828
demoralization thread, carry on folks

>still seething 6 years later instead of playing the original and move on
grim

>>738799634
If the people who allegedly love the Remake aren't zoomers larping as boomers, excited to finally be part of "the conversation" because all the greats came out before they were able to participate in discussion, that is extremely sad to hear. Then again, I guess there are people who have been arguing Tifa vs Aerith for the past 30 years, so I imagine those faggots relish the opportunity to perpetuate the same argument they've been having with the same people for their entire lives.

>>738799860
>God, you faggots cant even make sense, which one is it to blame?
One day you'll learn that you replied to multiple people.

>>738800003
>One day you'll learn that you replied to multiple people.
Yeah thats why i wrote faggots, with an S, plural.
It means none of you have the answer, it's all just rethoric that fits the argument.

>>738800096
The issue is that you read multiple people's posts and can't seem to realize that.

>>738800204
No, it means none of you have a real argument. This is not about zoomers or boomers or whatever the fuck. Just rethoric.

>>738799440
They want the remake canon to be the "true" canon which is why they're trying the side games into it. Empty PR statements like "you can just play the original :)" doesn't change what's happening behind the scenes. If your retort is that I can just buy the original on Steam then you now have to justify the remake existing at all.

>>738800258
You can read my opinion here: >>738799474

>>738800308
Theres no canon. It is just a different interation of the story.

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>dude, the original game is much more impactful and mature than the remake!
Meanwhile: the original game

>>738800371
All i read there was
>im a millenial
>but i dislike remake
>does that mean we millenials have taste?
>no, its the zoomers fault!
Disregard the recent news of FF being played by 30+ years old people. Also, disregard that if a new videogame comes out and it is a hit with zoomers, the game is actually good and a success of course.

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>>738796828
The remake is exactly how we imagined the world of Final Fantasy VII when we were kids. We get to see the cutscenes in high fidelity, hear the voices of our beloved characters, and see the combat play out in real time - and it's just as we imagined. This game is absolute perfection.

Now be quiet, boomer swine.

>>738800586
Ah, so your issue is that you cannot read and that you believe all posts on 4chan, made by different people, need to be homogeneous. I think it's probably useless to try to explain to you why you're wrong.

>>738800689
>so your issue is that you cannot read
I can read just fine. Just read what you wrote here

>As a millennial who played FFVII as a kid, I am forced to believe that the people who love the VII Remake are zoomers who are larping as millennials.

>>738800782
Yup. That's my opinion. And you are having an extremely difficult time reading it and understanding it as written.

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>>738800475

>The original is still there :^)
I never liked this argument, I just want the same game with a graphic update. Maybe a few added things, because I liked Roche but did not care for Wall Market and the henchmen plot that wastes your time getting to Shinra.

>>738800308
Yes yes everything which contradicts the idea you've hyperfixated on is an empty platitude, keep up the good fight Chris-chan

>>738798521
>All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to their intelligence, utter trash. They could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point fans like them became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in
This is a more honest response to JRPGs and their intended effect than caring about the shambolic storylines, tbqhwy.

>>738796828
I've never really liked 7.

>>738800436
>its just a different story, ok? but I'm still going to treat it like it's canon and defend it from criticism

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>Claims that the developer does not want you to play the orignal.
>The developer updated the orignal recently for free on steam (you get to keep the previous version as well) so its more compatible whit steam deck or Linux so more people can play it.

Something does not add up here.

Also the new games are barely even remakes more like Alternate timeline scenario sequels.

>>738796828
I wanted a 1:1 remake. Now that that's out the window, this whispers shit better make sense and let me save Aerith or I'm done with this shit company.

>>738796828

>Is artistic integrity a lost art in the modern day?

Only applies to art.

>>738801039
Who are you quoting?

>>738798912
XV
X HD Remaster
FF Tactics Remaster
XII Zodiac Age
CC Reunion
Strangers of Paradise
OG 7-9

>>738800308
>They want the remake canon to be the "true" canon which is why they're trying the side games into it.
Is your worry that people will stop playing the original and forget about it, or that future FF7 spinoffs will be harmed by using a crap continuity? Second doesn't seem worth caring about at all and the first obviously won't happen.

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>>738800927
If Square Enix is not completely retarded, they'll take some of the assets from Ever Crisis and remake the original game 1:1 after Ever Crisis gets EoS'd. That probably wont actually happen though.

>>738801091
>Also the new games are barely even remakes more like Alternate timeline scenario sequels.
Either multiverse shit or Tetsuya Nomura's reimagining of Final Fantasy VII as a Kingdom Hearts game.

>>738796828
There is no mystery the two remake games are just fucking fun to play/combat and awesome music and visuals, lots of different enemies and bosses, cities and bioms are varied and cool, insane cutscenes, love the characters.
Just fucking good games.

>>738798521
>Is DC good? No,
Hey, Dirge of Cerberus was pretty ok. At least as good as any other shooters on the PS2

>>738801246
Square is failing hard at grooming their audience into accepting the nu-canon but there's people who deny that its happening at all. S-E as a company is putting *everything* into these remakes, this is just "haha what if? ;)" shit the gluckers are saying it is.

>>738801403
>>738800671


This.

>>738801476
*isn't just

>>738799860
Funny you saying this when you wouldn't accept 7R criticism regardless of who it came from or what it was

>>738801209
oh yeah forgot Tactics, but between those you mentioned and the new and shiny FFs, the latter are more likely to sell

>>738800096
>it's all just rethoric that fits the argument.
Which is fine if you're a fan of the remake, but not if you're saying anything bad about it.

The entire stupid meta plot with the time jannies trying to preserve the 'correct' events only even makes sense if you're already familiar with the original storyline, or at least its broad strokes, so I find the idea they want people to ignore the source material pretty flimsy.

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only game where seeing 2 characters fall in love is considered rape.

hopefully tifa dies instead and we keep these adult themes of le loss

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I like how the remakes biggest defenders can't choose between seeing each remake game as its own entry, brand new games which should be judged on their own merits and not compared to the original... or dismiss all criticism with "go play the original / you just hate it because its different / you cant say it's bad until the remake is complete"

>>738797029
Bad argument. When you type ff7 in a searchbar, now 70% or more of what comes up is the remake. When you talk about ff7, its characters, its music, its graphics, you will have to endure legions of people who never played ff7 screeching about how the remake is better in every conceivable way, and you will have to specify "ff7 ORIGINAL." Maybe the original will continue to be ported but the remake will now be the version that gets marketed to newcomers for all time. Very few will play the game you like anymore, they will be at absolute best given a choice between the two and swayed by the shiny graphics of the fanfiction version. Cultural perception matters. Imagine the Beatles' discography got remade in a modern American pop/rap style by Kanye West, Taylor Swift, Kendrick Lamar, and Jack Black, the original albums went out of print and were shoved to the back corner of streaming sites or flat-out removed, they marketed the shit out of the New Beatles as "the same old beatles but better because it's 4k" so that the actual Beatles get pushed to page 10 of search results, and people told you "hey if you don't like the new White Album the original will always be there."

>>738802259
whatever argument works in the moment

>>738798521
The difference between all the shit you listed and 7R is 7R is a fun game. Dirge of Cerberus sure isn't. Advent Children isn't even a game, it's a shitty movie. It makes sense to not like the plot elements unique to 7R, or even that it's very similar to parts of the original, but not completely. There are a lot of bad action RPGs where the combat just isn't any fun. 7R is not one of those.

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>>738801991
>so I find the idea they want people to ignore the source material pretty flimsy.
Anon, everything about the Remake is "flimsy". Remake sets it up like it's going to be a crazy sequel. They even kill Barret. We even see the time jannies die. Doesn't Aerith even say something about our journey beginning after the time jannies "die"? It really sets it up like it's going to be an Evangelion Rebuild style sequel.

But then nothing happens and the time jannies came back. And also Aerith doesn't seem to know the future anymore. It's like they can't even decide what they want the Remake to be. It's all just Nomura fakedeep smoke and mirror bullshit. None of it means anything. Nomuraslop is, by definition, vapid nothingness that serves no purpose and has no meaning. Anyone trying to look into Remake as anything more than yet another attempt to cash in on Final Fantasy VII's dwindling eternal diehard fans will be sorely disappointed to find that Remake is actually nothing at all. It's just another cash grab, but this time it's not really working... and then you find out that all of Remake's biggest fans want Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus retcon'd out of canon, and you start to wonder if anyone who likes Final Fantasy VII even likes Final Fantasy VII. What even is Final Fantasy VII at this point? Not even its fans like it. The developers themselves tell you not to play it. It makes a mockery of the original game. Nothing new that happens has any meaning. It's not even making any money anymore.

So I ask again, what even is Final Fantasy VII at this point?

>>738802550
yep combat is peak

>>738796828
I think the only millennials who praise the remakeslop of FF7 are dad gamers who are unironically the type to say "I'm having a blast! Way better than when I first played the OG!" because consumerism is their only reprieve from their sterile life

>>738801991
>play FF7 as a child
>soiface at remake teaser
>combat trailer is shown
>its not a remake at all
>nomura says the story will be different
>worry.jpg
>but it anyway because it has final fantasy in the name
>even though it sucks you're committed to it now, you can't back out when part 2 and 3 could be kino
>never dare to touch the original again as it would confirm the worries you've been having in the back of your mind

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>>738802661
You can even skip Remake. Nomura's advice.

>>738802661
>what even is Final Fantasy VII at this point?
FFVII is no longer a story about anything. It's now just a product for people who want to see the characters waved around in front of their eyes in a consequence free world that goes on forever and ever like the MCU.

>>738796828
Because despite getting to play the greatest games ever made. they still didn't form any taste.

>>738796828
what exactly am I supposed to do about it?
not buy it? i didn't
cry about it on xitter or anonmyous image boards? that's not going to do anything

>>738802886
I've skipped remake, but is Nojima ever going to make a game that gathers the interest of an old fan like me?

>>738802957
From the kind of arguments I see defending the slopmakes I'd have to say you're right

>>738796828
I'm playing through this game atm and it's so kino, my first jrpg too

>>738802957
>FFVII is no longer a story about anything. It's now just a product for people who want to see the characters waved around in front of their eyes in a consequence free world that goes on forever and ever like the MCU.
Sadly, I think this is accurate. Consume Final Fantasy VII, get excited for next Final Fantasy VII.

>>738803081
lol

>>738803112
Its also why you never see any game or even story discussion. You just see gifs and webms of the characters. Look at them! Look at the characters! Its them! Kinoooo!

>>738803119
What is funny about that

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>>738802661
>So I ask again, what even is Final Fantasy VII at this point?
Despite what money tries to make it out to be, it still is and will always be this.

>>738803474
God I love the NTSC-J/PAL covers.

>>738802305
Why would I ever need to type ff7 into "search bar" if I already own it?

>>738796828
Seek professional help for your millennial obsession.

>>738802259
>I like how the remakes biggest defenders
disregarding post

>>738802698
bullshit in fact people replay ff7 to this day

>>738796828
It's only zoom zooms who weren't even ALIVE when the OG FF7 (or even Advent Children) dropped that praise the DEmakes.

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>>738802874
Not what your greentext says itself but it blows my mind how often I've seen fags say they were shocked when they bought it on release and found out it was not a remake when the writing was on the wall years prior, there were early interviews you could have pieced what was to come together from. Then again, that would require people to actually be passionate about the game and not spineless c*mpilation enablers.

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You have to understand. Most of the people nostalgic for these games have not played them in a long time. Most people don't play old games. So you who notices the difference in lighting, character development because you played it within the last 10 years, you are in the minority. Most people just have their childhood memories so they don't see it as a raping, but bringing the game back and they barely remember the details. So the remake is good to them.

Millennials get hate from boomers for struggling to live in the world they created and they also get hate from Zoomers for not persevering in the face of the despair that they now have to face tenfold. Maybe one day the millennial generation will find peace but when and how I am uncertain

>>738804004
but it's because of my memories that I see it as a raping. Especially all of the atmosphere that the OG had as a very dirty and industrial but the remake is clinically clean.

>>738803717
Good thing you stopped there before the rest of the post touched a nerve

>>738796828
Conditioning. If the remakes actually came out on the ps3 in like 2009 as they were originally teased, they'd have been rejected hard. Instead, they released into a massive market of childhood/nostalgia rape. Every good IP that exists has been under siege for a long time - some people were broken by this, some were born after it started and dont know better, some are reddit posters that HAVE to rush to the defense of corpos that own their favorite IPs to stave off the specter of suicide.

>>738803915
Truth. There's even a zoomer melting down in this thread that people figured it out.

>>738804216
also certain people who have been obsessed with the thought of more ff7 all this time will accept it just out of gratitude for having it
deep down these people know it's shit too but they'd rather shit than nothing if it means seeing the characters more

>>738804331
I would consider those the broken category but I can appreciate/recognize the slight difference in motivation between the two.

>>738804008
Zoomers are just boomers reincarnated, the cycle will never end.

The original FF7 is the one game that square hasn't messed with at all. Same translation, same blocky graphics, same bugs even. Every other old game has been screwed with in some way.

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>>738797029
>>738797371
>"Hurr you can still play le original!"

>>738797335
Too smart of a post for the shit eating retards on this board

>>738796828
As a 40-something boomer, the ones I see gushing over this tend to be zoomers. The 20-something brigade. I don't see many 40-somethings even mentioning this shit or even mentioning video games at all. My generation grew up when only nerds played video games and thus you had to learn to hide your power level at an early age.

>>738804008
>boomers or gen x'ers do literally fucking anything
>how could millennials do this?
That's essentially the behavior. Boomers and x'ers blame millennials for shit sucking, zoomers blame millennials for shit sucking, and millennials are looking around wondering where their next meal is coming from.

>>738799474
>as a millennial
Ok Zoomer

>>738802305
>When you talk about ff7, its characters, its music, its graphics, you will have to endure legions of people who never played ff7 screeching about how the remake is better in every conceivable way
Why would I ever care what others think about I game I already have and finished playing?

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>>738804008
Zoomers are just upset at millennials because we our childhood, adolescence, and early adulthood were the last times the world was normal. Not only that, but we're on the internet, and we pioneered the internet. We not only know what the world used to be like before technology and before we shifted timelines into clown world, but we also know what the internet used to be like before every website became an extension of each other. Before everyone was trans or gay. And all of the best video games happened for us, not for them.

You can't blame the zoomer. I'd be jealous too. Their only legacy is the worst haircut imaginable.

>>738805365
doesn't really matter what you or I think about them they clog up the real discussion

Why is this site so obsessed with arbitrary generational divides? Do you really think someone born in 1996 has more in common with someone born in 1980 than 1997?

>>738796828
There are those who have settled for the normie conditioning that is pretty, subverted expectations, and/ or slop trends like open world and movie games = good
There are those more precisely conditioned to froth at the mouth for anything square, ESPECIALLY FF, ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY FF7
Finally there are those who don't care, and simply shill, or have contrarian takes for votes, likes, shares, (You)s, etc
They say maintaining the integrity of the original is simply a remaster, which shows their ignorance
If square wanted to try new things, they should've done it with a new IP or new FF, not shit all over arguably square's biggest fandom cash cow
They deserve to fail, not that it means anything because they're incapable of accepting fault or admitting/ fixing mistakes
>>738797335
Also this, no different than Nintendo slowly (or recklessly in some cases) replacing designs and lore with the mario movie alternatives
They're going to do what they want because some consultant tricked their dumb corpo lizard brains into believing consumers don't know what they want, and what they want is coolie cutter modern bullshit

>>738798521
True. For someone like me who likes the characters it isnt that the plot doesnt matter, but the plot is nothing without characters that are part of it, and no matter how kino the general idea is if you dont care or related to the character then the general plot is just useless.
Others dont really care about the characters as long as the general plot/mesage/themes fit a cool criteria. Characters are fine for them, but this one doesnt really care if the character is attractive (attractive not physically, but as a character) as long as his part in the story is relevant.
In this game or at least part 1, the game is clearly much more character driven than plot driven because lets face it, the game has its own midgar arc but due to the sephiroth exposure, the game gives this feeling that the main plot hasnt move forward just yet. The characters are fantastic to the point that it is even fun to just hear them talk about mundane shit, to treat them as real human beings and to care what they are going through
It is probably the reason why i like 7r so much but completely hate FFXII, where the plot is fine and interesting but the characters completely suck, so the plot doesnt really interest me

>>738805491
>they clog up the real discussion
Doesn't happen. For years even before the 7R people differentiated discussion on FF7 from the rest the compilation.

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>>738805945
True. Ever since Final Fantasy House, Final Fantasy VII has deserved to be separated from the rest of the series due to its schizos. Even people who weren't part of the literal Final Fantasy VII hours but who loved Final Fantasy VII have done heinous things.

Turns out, when you make a game whose main character is a loser who fails at everything, goes schizo, and still gets a big titty gf somehow, actual real life loser schizos who like Tifa just because she has big boobs flock to it.

>>738806169
>8 fag
>just like the music
>'ate squall
>Wish it was Laguna the whole game instead

why am i the only person under the age of 25 that loves ff7 remake 2020.

so many praised games ive completed and instantly forgotten but ff7r made me actually join the fandom.

no i don't like rebirth i don't consider rebirth or remake to be the same, the tone and writing is entirely different.
no one can justify why remake sucks without conning the games they consider good.

inb4 some tard says "What's a valid critisicm of ff7r"

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>>738798521
>original post is from 2021, it even ends in a question
>some random retard copied and reposted it to reply to his bait post
What is this schizo shit?
This can be real

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>game gets a demake
>the original is now "game (year)"
why should the original have to change? make the remake "game (year)"

>>738806559
>reddit spacing
>no I don't want to be challenged on my opinion and reasoning
lol

>>738806559
>why am i the only person under the age of 25 that loves ff7 remake 2020.
Most of the Remake's fanbase are people like you.

>no i don't like rebirth i don't consider rebirth or remake to be the same
Okay, actually you are different. The Zoomer narrative is that Rebirth is the best game in the world and that Remake is the 2nd best game in the world. For what it's worth, I'm a boomer and I liked Remake more than Rebirth.

>>738806559
The majority love it, ff7r sold 7 million two years ago so its about 9 million now.
/v is just faggy haters and contrarians

>>738797335
Out of all the remakes you could say this about, you say this about FF7R. Which is not actually a remake but a sequel. you fucking retard. How is a sequel meant to replace to predecessor? Does MGS2 replace MGS1?

>>738797335
This post struck a few nerves.

>>738806592
I'm just explaining that I love it because of the characters, even if the plot is shit.

>>738807342
So you went back in time in the archive to copy paste your post and repost twice and reply to the same bait post twice?

>>738806559
>nobody can say why remake is bad!
>do not ask me what criticism of remake I would accept!
Excellent gambit sir

>>738806559
FF7R was made for people born after the original's release
It's for those who will never bother to play the original because of it's visuals and generally slower pace
For those with higher expectations of a "remake", they're disappointed because they changed so much just for the sake of change, and will inevitably be on the losing side because all the changes are what's trendy, and will be drowned out by corpos, ass clown streamers, "journos", now empty and meaningless awards, and zoomers who just want their games to all be same-y, because that's all they know
Rebirth was made to convince fans that it's honest to the original, but not so secretly is still primarily for "fans"

>>738807450
Posts you don't like are not bait posts. Just because you get mad at a post does not mean it's bait. Your issue appears to be with the post I replied to so take your issue up with them.

I have an answer for your question but I'm saving it for the next reply because we both know you're going to demand it again.

>>738807586
>Posts you don't like are not bait posts.
Posts are that relentlessly spammed in every single thread are bait posts.

I don't and rarely engage with remakes, but I also realize there's nothing I can do, the remakes will always vastly outsell the originals and most people's experience with the game will be the remake.

>>738807631
Not really. Asking what a Tifa doll would say when squeezed isn't bait. Well, maybe it would be if it caused you to become extremely angry.

>>738807709
>Asking what a Tifa doll would say when squeezed isn't bait.
these posts arent created specifically to generate a negative reaction

>>738807631
Is tifa ball bait?
Is >40yearsold bait?
Is 10/10 deep combat etc bait?

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>>738802305
works on my machine

>>738807780
Ah so spam isn't actually a problem, the problem is posts that make you angry

>>738798521
Unfortunately you are correct

>>738807837
No, the problem is the bait.

>>738807870
I don't think it's healthy to call every opinion you disagree with bait

>>738807901
Now we are going in circles. Seems like you are done and you dont have an answer.

>>738807901
I genuinely believe that if someone doesnt clarify that their posts are their own opinions then they are claiming to be objectively right and forcing other to agree, because I am a retard. I am a massive retard with autism and I genuinely believe this and it's a huge problem for me every day

>>738807946
An answer to what?
>>738807973
That sounds terrible. You must see "bait" everywhere.

test

>>738807631
I think it's more, if OPs are retarded enough to keep making the same threads, for YEARS, anons are simply reciprocating that special kind of retardation in kind
As for myself, never enjoyed much besides gaming, and with everything yhe last 10-15 years, I feel like there's no place for me anymore. I will, until my last fucking breath, curse square, and more specifically all the decision makers, for taking what should've been such a painfully stupid task, and shitting all over it so they can ReTeLL tHe ClAsSiC fOr A mOdErN aUdiEnCe, at the expense of those who helped make square during the ps days become a then juggernaut in RPGs
I will always come to these threads to call the RE project shit, and call OP a retard for either still not getting it, for fishing for guaranteed (You)s

>>738807783
Those are ok because they don't create negative 7r reactions

cope

>>738796828
>millennials
Boomer's children

>>738799474
I didnt like the original but I like the remakes

>>738806559
Most people like it

>>738796828
There are some creative and aesthetic downgrades but overall Remake and especially Rebirth are superior experiences

>>738807973
God gave you a shit broken brain and you will spend every single day of your life miserable and frustrated because you cannot process information like others can without even having to try. Every time you hear an opinion you don't agree with, you'll take it as a personal attack. An attempt to make you, personally, upset. And bait. Not even a real opinion. Just a lie someone is telling in order to make you mad. Because you cannot process others opinions, they simply must be lying to spite you.
An awful way to live.

>>738796828
I really despise soillennials.

>>738808383
Not enough to buy rebirth though

Why would a game most people like not sell better

>>738808570
Because it is easily pirated?

>>738808640
That's just one excuse. Don't worry we got a million of em.

>>738808526
discordtroons have been alerted
gg no re see you next thread

Why are 30 and 40 year olds mad that a game that came out before they could walk is getting overshadowed by the millionth remake in the past 10 years?

>>738796828
Because I like good games and don't get my opinions from youtubers

>>738808738
Nomura is erasing Sakaguchi's vision because he's so proud of his beloved characters he wants FF7 to be his dollhouse.

>>738808968
And this affects you how exactly? Grow up for the love of God.

>>738798521
I hate this copy pasta because it implies the characters are the only reason to like the original when like 80% of them had ~20 lines or less in the whole game, with half of those 20 being basic responses without much character at all. I would argue some characters arent even themselves in the remake, like Cid. Being excited to see characters again only felt anywhere near true during the first huge graphical leap from the PS1 to advent children/the ps3 intro teaser, and even then it was only because you could finally see the characters in full HD the way they looked in your memory - which most people posting here dont even have because they werent alive during the ps1 era. And! this is also true about all of the locations and creatures from the originals, too, which isnt mentioned in the pasta.

I don't have as much attachment to stuff from my childhood so I don't have much of a reaction to it being violated. Also, I never finished FF7 because mine was a hand-me-down and the third disk was faulty.

>>738807480
>It's for those who will never bother to play the original because of it's visuals and generally slower pace
>and generally slower pace
How can you possibly say that? The original is 30 hours long. Remake stretches the first 8 hours out into 40 hours. Rebirth stretches the next 8 hours out to be 80 hours. The VII Remakes have a much slower pace than the original. You're already 100 hours into the VII Remake and not even finished yet. You could have finished the original 3 times over in the same timeframe.

>>738806559
>joined the fandom
God what a faggot. It isnt a club. There's no membership and no community; no neighbors, nothing. Please go get real friends in the real world and stop burdening everyone with your need for communal interaction on the internet.

>>738809108
Praise is always acceptable but criticism has to be scrutinized and doubted. I know what you are.

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>>738796828
Boomers are the worst generation. I can hardly wait until you whiny, stupid and entitled assholes are six feet under ground.

>>738809143
>it implies the characters are the only reason to like the original
Untrue
>when like 80% of them had ~20 lines or less in the whole game, with half of those 20 being basic responses without much character at all
Wow, well done. You set up a fake argument and then proved it wrong.

So the original game had more reasons to be liked than just the characters? Great point anon and I agree.
Unfortunately the same can't be said for the spinoff material.

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>>738809348
Pic related is zoomers though.

>>738809406
Hear hear

>>738809348
The youngest living boomers are 61. 61 year olds arent the ones complaining about your favorite product, retardkun.

>>738809348
Aside from clouds model, left is still better. Hell FF8 already achieved better than the right did over 25 years ago.

>>738798521
I wish I could say this isn't true but it is.
>>738805836
I feel the exact same way.

>>738798521
I really want to fume about this post some more but I have to fight Sebby elsewhere. I'll be back though.

>>738809348
>The generation above mine is the worst generation!
>The generation below mine is the worst generation!
Kwab

>>738796828
We don't, because we had a childhood that isn't based on internet drama and bullshit.
We can look back on the memories of the games we played fondly, because the entirety of their existence resides in our own memory and the discussions we had with a small group of friends.
If there were autistic retards screeching about it, we just called them gay and retarded and everyone agreed.
Zoomers are mad that they will never have this. Born into an age where the internet was already a thing and no escape. Just pure seethe and jealousy that they will never get to experience what we had and why we treasure the memories.
It's truly amazing that Zoomers grew up with the entirety of human knowledge in their pockets, yet they are still retarded.

>>738809562
Millennials are boomers 2.0.

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Can they make an edition as cool as this one for retrilogy?

bump

>>738807480
i was born before the og and played it and it was my favorite game, remake and rebirth are amazing and you are retarded

>>738796828
You either have two types of fans:
The fans who love the original and just want more things like it so they don't mind if it's not as good as what they originally because they still have the original. It's easy to make these types of fans happy.
or
Autistic fans who love the original and want everything to be exactly like it was in the original or they aren't happy and will make 2 hour long youtube videos complaining just about the different shade of purple Clouds outfit is now. You can't make these fans happy, if you do something that makes one autistic fan happy like fixing the translation to be more accurate to the japanese version then another will jump out and say thats not how he likes it so he will make another 2 hour long video defending the originals dog shit translation and how we should have lines like "this guy are sick" is key to final fantasy 7s identity.

>>738813421
What about people who are okay with change but just don't want the changes to be shit? They can change as much as they like if it's good. Remake had some good changes, but lots of shit ones too. The worst thing about Rebirth is how little they strayed from the OG after setting up the unknown journey.
Your "two types of fans" don't include people who liked remake but think the time jannies are shit, and that's a lot of people. Your whole post is retarded and the strawman you've constructed does not reflect reality. Not a single person has actually complained about "this guy are sick" not being intact but you pretend that's true to paint anyone with a criticism as completely ridiculous and impossible to please. Why be so dishonest?

>>738813967
Don't ruin my strawman.

>>738813421
>Me the Ozymandias of this argument
>I AM SILLY!
20 years and we're still doing this

I have a feeling something very funny will happen if we give >>738813421 the BA7RY test.

>>738798119
No anon you must be unreasonably angry about it or else you are a tranny and you lost.

>>738796828
By not being mentally ill

>>738796828
letting bad remakes diminish your enjoyment of the original is fucking stupid. I dislike most remakes but I don't let those things get in the way of me liking the originals.

>>738796828
It's just a fucking video game, schizo

No one is forcing us to play it. You act like we love having a gun to our head over this.

>>738806559
shit combat
shit story
shit side quests
shit pacing
shit maps
shitty ost
I think theres plenty to complain about that applies to either game

>>738799228
Well... yeah. We're already there.

>>738813421
I like remakes combat system in a vacuum but I think remake is a bad game that apes a bunch of shitty western titles and rebirth is the same shit but much worse about it with the replacement of a basic overworld, read: a hub space between points of the game where things actually happen, with a pointless open one full of bland content for idiots
I think the semblance of what they wanted to say with a remake of 7 could've easily been an interesting and unique game and what they did with rebirth's multiversal nonsense could have also made for an interesting game if it wasn't also trying to be about FF7.

It's not about whether remakes are good or bad. It's about low effort cash grab AAA games disguised as remakes retiring critical acclaim and lowering the standard.