that wasn't a complete fucking retard in this game
>>719054565blud was a f*ckin simp ngl that's pretty restarted
No nut clarity. His wife went insane.
>>719054565You forgot my bare footed wife clea
>>719054565>one man trying to pull his family together while they all have three separate woman moments in different directionsRenoir had a hard life.
>>719054691>Outfit Clea>BootsLife sucks.
>>719054565Unless he lives in a world where therapist and mental hospitals don't exist, he was retarded for not getting having his wife committed and his daughter seen by a therapist.
>>719054565No you see Luna and Maelle are justified and not retarded because they're hot and I want to fuck them
>>719055808>19th century therapist/mental hospitalLol, lmao.
>>719055876Is it the 19th century or is it 19th century aesthetic?
>>719055876>>719056226Early 20th. Verso died in 1905.
>>719054565You're forgetting Gustave
>>719054765*suffers*
>>719055808He doesn't want his wife and daughter force-masturbated.
>>719056313That means it would have been even easier to throw all of them into an asylum. Wouldn't even have to get her evaluated, just claim she was masturbating too much or ate too much during dinner.
>>719056401He might as well have left them both in the canvas to die, would've unironically been better than having to put up with asylums.
>>719056394How else are you going to cure a woman of grief induced hysteria?
>>719056331Verso is such a fucking retard by letting Gustave dying.That man was such an incredible genius he was able to decipher and manipulate the matrix of reality.
>>719056745>Allows the closest person to Maelle die>The only person in her life that wants the absolute best for her while also being the most rational and grounded person there fighting for EVERYONE>Is shocked and doesn't understand why Maelle doesn't want to go back to being a mute burnt victimThe biggest retard in the game without a doubt. Now Maelle is going to die of Paint aids living in a fantasy land where she's pretty much a god or go back and kill literally everyone she has ever known from the painting. I will go to my grave believing Gustave could've found another solution...
>>719054565ALICIA YOU ARE SHITTING YOURSELF
>>719057119Maelle died at the end of Act 2.
>>719054565The only reason his wife and daughter refuse to leave is that he revealed his intentions to destroy the painted world entirelyHe was a retard, he could have had everything he wanted if he didn't tell everyone that he plans to do something irreversible that they will hate
>>719057119>>719056745>Gustave is able to become a painter and fix the world Would've been beyond kino
>>719057179No she didn't
>>719057479She did, you even see her gommage.
>>719057524And yet she lives
>>719057561No, she's pretty much dead. You get her confused with a different character who wants to be called by the same name.
>>719057662I'm not confusing anybody with anybody elseThey are the same person
why did I click on this spoilerfest
>>719057119I agree Gustavebro, but that ups the tragedy of the whole thing.>Verso is so broken that he helps kill the one person who could've found a middle groundKino.>>719057179She has all the memories of Maelle and Alicia. When someone with amnesia regains their memories, do they stop being the person they were before?
>>719054565>Wants his wife to leave the painting so grommage everyone else so as not to hurt her>Respects his dead son's soul, so doesn't just burn down the painting>Loves his daughter and gives her a chance to do the right thingYeah he unironically did nothing wrong.
>>719057721You pretty much are. Maelle's parents are dead and never had any siblings. The person you are thinking of has both her parents, a sister and a dead brother.>>719057871>do they stop being the person they were before?Yes.
>>719057465Gustave's arm giving him enough insight into chroma manipulation to emulate a Painter at full charge would have been hella sweet
>>719057721When Alicia stepped into the canvas she didn't just lose her memories, she was reborn as Maelle.Alicia lived for 16 years and then hit start-over and restarted her life as Maelle with no recollections of her life as Alicia.Act 3 Maelle/Alicia isn't just Maelle or Alicia, it's a fusion of both of them.
Maelle's ending is fine, even if she's going to die of Painter's aids.
>>719054565>this guy who's family is a complete mess sure is right about everything What makes stupid people not understand that what you do can't be better than the outcomes it produces?
>>719057919>respectsNo, he wants to burn down the painting once his family is out, and he does. He loves his son but thinks the painting is a black hole of maladaptive grief.
>>719057919>I spent 70 years killing all your sentient pets in order to not hurt you Yeah, retard. That sounds reasonable. Also the "so as not to hurt her"-part is bullshit, because that's the only thing he can do.
>>719056745His locked skills even imply he was capable of greater things in a meta kind of way on top of being an anti-spoiler.
>>719057956>Maelle's parents are dead and never had any siblings. The person you are thinking of has both her parents, a sister and a dead brother.This is beyond pointless rambling. For all the years that she was Maelle she was also still Alicia whether she was aware of it or not. Upon regaining that side of her identity she doesn't lose any of her life as Maelle, she is still exactly what she has been for 16 fake years. The only change is that she's aware of it. She is moving forwards as a continuation of both identities at once. She prefers to go by Maelle while talking to people who were part of her life as Maelle, she has no issue with her actual family treating her as Alicia because both are who she is.
>>719058446>she was also still AliciaWhere do you see Alicia in Maelle?
>>719058580There are like 4 different moments built around her past as Alicia influencing her as Maelle. Seeing Sirene's dance, hearing music that Verso used to play etc.Alicia was always in there
>>719054565Renoir was based. Picking Verso's ending because you agree with Verso is meh, picking Maelle's ending is for literal children, picking Renoir's is because you saw sense.
>>719058729I totally saw Alicia when Maelle went on her little revenge trip after her "brother" Gustave died. That's totally what Alicia would do.
>>719058281>No, he wants to burn down the painting once his family is out, and he does.Literally headcanon.>>719058327Nah he can easily just burn down the painting and fuck her up if he wanted.
>>719058940I totally saw Alicia when she raised an army of expeditioners and marched against her fatherThat's totally what Alicia would do
>>719059042I certainly didn't see Maelle then. You know, the orphan.
>>719059010What do you think the ending of Verso is?
>>719059140Are you genuinely this retarded?Please explain my case to me so I know what you think I'm saying
>>719059010He can't just burn down the painting because he doesn't want to kill his wife and daughter, retard.
>>719059409Killing them ejects them from the painting though
>>719059252You think Alicia's tantrum against her father is in any way comparable to Maelle planning to kill Gustave's killer.
>>719059461Killing them in-painting does. Burning a canvas with everyone trapped inside is going to sever their soul.
>>719054565That whole family deserves death. They have power to create things and they used it to create an immense amount of misery and suffering, as a hobby. I don't understand how exactly I am supposed to sympathize with them and not with people who attempted to set them on fire.
>>719059473I think that making a stand and fighting for what she wants is very uncharacteristic of Alicia and is born of her parallel lifetime as Maelle. I don't see how it in any way invalidates the claim that Maelle was similarly influenced by Alicia's memories as blatantly shown in the game to be the case.
>>719054565I think he's evil personally.
>>719054565he's so cool
>>719054565DudeHe's Fr*nch
>>719059762>Maelle was similarly influenced by Alicia's memoriesAnd despite that Maelle behaves and acts completely different from Alicia. Verso calls Alicia out on that.>making a stand and fighting for what she wants is very uncharacteristic of AliciaHow would you know? She's papa's favorite and always got what she wanted.
>>719060171>how do you knowBecause she was a depressed puppet of her sister and family. Not a revolutionary.
>>719059186Headcanon retard.
>>719059536This is literally never stated anywhere in the game and is just assumed. I could easily say he doesn't want to burn down the painting because he also doesn't want to kill little Verso.
>>719060246Her throwing a tantrum against her father seems very in character.
>>719060171Why do you insist on ignoring the point that the game outright shows that Maelle was not completely separate from Alicia even before her memories come back in full?
>>719060457Why do you think he bothered going in to fetch his wife rather than just burning it? He was fine with killing little Verso and stated openly his intent to do so once his wife was ejected.
>>719060506Her actually doing something about it instead of holing up in her room isn't
>>719060642Because that doesn't make them the same person. Maelle is literally a different person painted over Alicia.>>719060703Her doing something for herself is very much in character. Just read her thoughts when she goes into the canvas.
>>719054565>spend 65 meme years fighting your wife in made-up land>send your only living and functioning daughter to war on her own>let your crippled daughter get split schizo mental disorder and re-live her 16 years of life as a lobotomized caricature of herself just on the off-chance you can weaponize her to save your wife>don't do any of the above in an actual effective way, but like go around having melties and putting out passive-agressive renditions of your family shitted all over the landscape because at the end of the day your wife - even while insane - is stronger than you>whoopsie turns out your daughter that just spent 16 years brainwashed to believe this is her real world now likes it better and wants to stay>and she beat the shit out of you for it>how could this happen to you? nobody could see side-effects from any of the above actions!>luckily retards with daddy issues will ignore all your stupid, fucking retarded choices every step of the way because their father never loved them so the fact you have a hate-love obsessive boner for your wife capable of destroying your entire family from the root is enough to cheer for you!
>>719061652Maelle is literally a nametag handed to Alicia and her whole fake life is littered with her feelings as Alicia
>too emotionally stunted to help his wife or daughter through their grief>decides killing hundreds or people and the last remnant of his son, including some of his literal soul, will fix thingshe’s as stupid as the writers are for thinking this was an interesting, nuanced conflict. The last act is too rushed and doesn’t even try to make the painting characters appear to have any less fidelity than the painters
>>719062174You are making shit up.
>>719054565>Father PLEASE get out of the painting, you are shitting yourself AND we are getting terror-bombed seven times a week!>HELP ME FOR FUCK'S SAKE
>>719062265She comes right out and tells you that she never felt she belonged in Lumiere (because she didn't, being Alicia)She just so happened to latch onto a substitute for Verso and to a lesser extent CleaAny time she comes across something nostalgic for Alicia but that means nothing to Maelle she comments on how she can't explain how she knows itMaelle is just Alicia with her memories poorly blocked out
>>719062263They don't want to be helped through their grief, they want to talk to their son.
>>719062112>>let your crippled daughter get split schizo mental disorder and re-live her 16 years of life as a lobotomized caricature of herself just on the off-chance you can weaponize her to save your wife>>don't do any of the above in an actual effective way, but like go around having melties and putting out passive-agressive renditions of your family shitted all over the landscape because at the end of the day your wife - even while insane - is stronger than you>>whoopsie turns out your daughter that just spent 16 years brainwashed to believe this is her real world now likes it better and wants to stayWasn't that mostly the screwup of the other daughter? >hey you lack experience but you have to go in there to help dad>ups, she got overtaken>whelp I'm off to war but have fun, lol
>>719062760>grieving people don’t want to accept lossNo way, guess there’s nothing to be done!
>>719062761Initially Clea brushes it off as irrelevant.Then Renoir and Aline notice that she is in the painting, as Maelle, when Fake!Renoir attempts to mercy-kill her and bring her out of the painting so she doesn't have to be involved in the fight anymore.Aline freaks out about the fact Alicia has been in the painting, stating she is too young for this type of mentally straining shit and she needs to be kept out.Real!Renoir dismisses her and puts Maelle back together, hoping to use her to fight Aline.Had Real!Renoir heard his wife, who even in her insane grief and hatred of Alicia was looking out for her, Alicia would have been ejected during Gustave's death and she'd been able to "catch" herself back.Because he just HAD to use his child for his family drama as a weapon, however, she got to the point where both of her personalities tangle and merge together, causing her untold amounts of grief.
>>719062939It isn't loss if he's right fucking there. They immerse themselves in unreality that has what they lost recreated inside it.
>>719063087"He" is not right there and treating it otherwise is the direct result of not wanting to accept their loss
>>719063087She’s not even with him, she’s voyeuring the whole thing. And yeah, the whole conceit is retarded, cause his “soul” is there for some reason, which makes Renoir’s choice to kill his son, as if that’ll help his wife, that much more braindead. The game never grapples with the existence of sentient beings in the paintings, it just expects “it’s not real” to be enough smokescreen to make Renoir not look like a stupid jacakss and for the choice to seem difficult
>>719062618>that she never felt she belonged in LumiereYeah and when she's outside the city with expedition it started to feel good. What's your explanation there?>something nostalgic for Alicia but that means nothing to Maelle she comments on how she can't explain how she knows itLike the... Goblu? And Sirene's dance. Sure. But no comment on a copy of her home, the city she lived in, her brother's, sister's, mother's and father's creations. Or what about the multiple versions of her father, mother and herself? You know what she says? She says the feels like they know her (because how they acted) not that she somehow knows them. But at least she comments on Verso, right? It's there in the game, right?
>>719057168Pas encore
>>719063594You're attempting to argue a negative due to a lack of evidence by dismissing the evidence they do readily hand youWhat is your explanation for any of the instances of Alicia's identity bleeding into Maelle then? They're completely different people and Maelle doesn't immediately recognise Renoir so what is the point of certain music triggering an inexplicable sense of nostalgia in her? Why does it mean anything to Maelle?
>I'll keep the lights on for you. Based Renoir anon with good taste. Everyone else in the thread is a retard. He was my favorite as well, OP.
>>719054565You cant change my mind, Renoir was based off of Jeff Fahey, not Andy Serkis.
>>719063960The entire quote was >Any time she comes across something nostalgic for Alicia but that means nothing to Maelle she comments on how she can't explain how she knows itAny time she comments. Apparently no, she does not.> what is the point of certain music triggering an inexplicable sense of nostalgia in herMaelle is obviously painted Verso. That's why music triggers her. That's why she has nightmares of Verso murking Julie.
>>719063451He is literally walking around as a child. He also has a facsimile with his own memories, for all intents and purposes "him".
On which side does /v/ stand: can Lumiere citizens be considered real people?
>>719054565Who cares about these Isekai characters anyway? half of them were not even real and the other half having some pathetically self centred family argument.These are like the least inspiring and likable characters ever
>>719064606They were real people and the Dessendre's were gods
>>719054565The only logical characters in the game are men. The game shows the disasters that can result from giving power to women. How on earth could a Frenchman, and one who worked at Ubisoft, be so based?
>>719064606They're real in all aspects but name. Ghost in the Shell type philosophy that I wished was touched on a bit more.
>>719054565>E33 faggots will do anything absolutely anything but talk about the gameplayNice visual novel faggot
>>719054565OP here. Sorry, wrong pic
>>719055808You sound like your wife's boyfriend got you the Switch 2
>>719064695>>719065515then Verso's end is genocide
>>719068381Genocide already happened before Verso's ending.
>>719068724but Maelle's ending revives those people so it's only in Verso's that you permanently kill them
>>719066523The game has been out for a while, what the fuck do you expect? Why would people talk about the gameplay for months?
>>719068848tbf act 3's gameplay is a complete unbalanced messact 1 and 2 work nicely.
>>719059685>They have power to create things and they used it to create an immense amount of misery and suffering, as a hobby.They are undeniably french
>>719066523The gameplay is simon says
>>719068920>tbf act 3's gameplay is a complete unbalanced messAgreed honestly, I don't know if they actually wanted to make it unbalanced to show that Maelle is now OP or shit like that but I think they just fucked up that part
Am I the only one that despises this games whole dark art nouveau aesthetic? I literally refuse to play the game just based on how retarded everyone looks.
>>719068783Not reviving is not the same as killing.
>>719068992That's fine? It's just your taste, why do you feel the need to seek validation?
>>719068992Yeah I suspect that you're alone in caring that much about it
>>719055808But Anon they were SUPER RICH and they are SUPER DUPER SPECIAL AND COULD END A WAR IN THE REAL WORLD, there is no way he could have done anything.>nepobaby writes a story about feeling sorry for rich motherfuckers in their billionaire mansion being too dumb to not brainwash themself with vr and social mediaNot working on me.
>>719069207They are actually comparatively poor and and would instantly die in a war.
>>719069207how does painting fictional words help you win wars? dying in those doesn't mean you die in real life
>>719069454Time flows at a different rate so you could easily use a canvas to run battle simulations and select the ideal tactics to employ irl
>>719069454Paint a portrait of your enemy pregnant and watch the following meltdown
>>719069454Show off the canvas where you have painted yourself as the chad and the enemy commander as the 'jak
What made this game stand out is that all characters had reasonable motives for the things they did. There wasn't some shoddily written, clearly bad guy in the story. At the sane time, they all had their flaws. They all just felt like humans trying to figure out what the fuck to do in an extreme situation.You saw that nicely in the interaction between Gustave and Lune after they found out where Maelle was. Lune was sceptical and wanted to do things by the book while Gustave wanted to go headfirst into danger to save Maelle. They had a fierce argument but it didn't end up with a shitty "Lune will remember that". It ended with both of them laughing because they were friends who both knew they wanted the best for one another and the mission.
>every human character is just a mopey sad faggot>entire plot is about how women love wallowing in misery and how suicidal retards are retards>this Netflix drama tier writing is supposed to be amazing, one of the best videogame stories ever and I'm supposed to pretend that the characters are extremely well written, relatable and likablethe only thing worth saving out of this game is the OST, which means it really is like a french made JRPG
>>719069641Then they counter with a canvas where they are the rare Pepe and you are the small crying Pepo.
It satisfies me how thoroughly buckbroken vee doomsayers were by this game. They will never, ever recover (or be real women).That said it really makes it clear just how many retards there are on this board
>>719069725They can't paint, they can only fight back with words words words and nobody gives a shit about that
>>719054565He, with the help of his wife, pushed his son into a thinly-veiled suicide because they were forcing him into a future he wanted no part in, so no, he was a retard too. Pretty sure Aline was smart enough to deduce it and it's the main reason why she fell way harder than him albeit what his shadow says in Sirene's island tend to implied he also ended up realizing it.
>>719069761Actual war, not the trade """war""". Germany has a very a famous painter.
>>719069817>they were forcing him into a future he wanted no part inHis music career?
>>719069873Stop skipping cutscenes, they wanted him to paint, music was, in their eyes, just a side thing he shouldn't delve into deeply.
>>719069973Stop making shit up.
>>719062383God, I wish Clea had at least 10 times more screentime.
>>719069454It's not my words man. I actually read all the shit they give you. The whole thing literally falls apart for any sympathy once Gustav gets killed for retarded forced drama.God I love this game for exposing all the numbwits for not understanding anything said in text and only can comprehend vibes laid out for them with the presentation via filters, angles and music.Same for any "person" thinking this shallow battlesystem and gear system are not laughable bad and stink of incompetence as a gamedesigner.
>>719070258Ok fair enough I'm not going to comment on that
>>719054565he's the only one with straightforward simple motivations but that's also because all the other characters (like the painter renoir and painted verso) are in wierder/more fucked up situations
>>719054765Clea was the only one aside from Renoir who didn't go full retard.
>>719055808Therapy doesn't work all the time
>>719056483Beatings.
How can they progress from here? They blew all their card right away and the twist made me not care anymore about anything...not really a good strategy for the future.They just jump into Books (???) or music (???) endlessly?
>>719070481They could probably try doing something new
>>719070481They didn't say the rest of the Clair Obscur, if made, would have any necessary correlation to this world or universe.In fact they said quite the opposite, where they wanted to make it so that each new instance of Clair Obscur took place in an entirely different setting a la Final Fantasy.
>>719070481The Writers™ of Zanzibart...forgive us...
>>719056745It actually astounds me that people believe Verso is moral or righteous when he’s so motivated by self-interest that he outright admits to Alicia he let Gustave die because he knew he wouldn’t be able to manipulate her as easily if he lived. All of his actions are fueled by a desire to self-annihilate, and any good that comes of it is a happy coincidence, not actual intent.
No. Renoir decides the best move is to jump in and start a cataclysmic war with Aline. The whole family are dysfunctional nutcases, resorting to rampant escapism, violence and destroying worlds.
>>719073174>All of his actions are fueled by a desire to self-annihilateYou mean save his mother and protect his family.
>>719073174It gets worse when they try to defend Verso throwing a little tantrum over not being given the chance to talk his sister out of letting herself be killed
>>719073174Nobody (that isn't a room temperature IQ retard or outright trolling for reactions) believes that, to be fair. Their argument is usually that if you were in his shoes and wanted to end your miserable existence already, you'd probably go to those lengths too.But yeah anyone that arguments it as anything else is just the type of person that can't process the most basic information, morning breakfast type of person.
>>719073241Are we still pretending Verso is stupid enough that he actually believes his fake mother who he is aware is not his mother can't just hang herself from grief?It's not like he even knew the painting ghost Verso existed or that he had any access to it, anon. He only assumed the painting could be destroyed by the Real Renoir, which was a fair assumption, but even then - there was absolutely no indication that would save his mother in earnest, and anyone would be able to tell him if this wasn't a videogame logic moment, it was actually a terrible idea to forcibly part a grieving person from their coping mechanism before they ware willing to move on.
>>719073221To be fair, he doesn't want to destroy the canvas and it really seemed like a last resort when he talked about it. Aline seemed pretty intent on dying in her little escapism bubble.
>>719073414>He only assumed the painting could be destroyed by the Real RenoirIs it really a mere assumption when he literally saw The Fracture?
>>719073435This. If Aline used the canvas as an occasional coping mechanism instead of an opiate, Renoir wouldn’t feel a need to destroy it. It Renoir doesn’t feel he has to destroy it, there’s less of a conflict with Alicia, who would know that her father won’t destroy the canvas as soon as she leaves.
>>719073414>fake motherActual mother all things considered. Literally his creator.>He only assumed the painting could be destroyed by the Real Renoir,That's strange. Why would he work against Renoir if he was "fueled by a desire to self-annihilate"?
>>719073520>>719073435>beats the shit out of the children>See, Aline? This is not my fault! If only you were here and responsible, I wouldn't have to do this! >beats them some more and sends them to multiple wars>I am exempt from responsibility because you are going through a psychological breakdown!
>>719073520That goes both ways though, Aline knows that she can't leave because if she does she can never return.Everything would work out fine for them all if after the ending Aline and Alicia just take shifts inside the painting. They both feel safe that it won't be destroyed and Renoir can calm down as long as they each come back out.
>>719057662Painters dont die in the canvas, they are just piloting while their physical body sits outside, but good discussion bait.
>>719073563Because the game literally states he took the Painted Renoir’s side for a time until they had a falling out?
>>719073653She can’t leave because Renoir will destroy the canvas because she’s been abusing it. It all comes down to Aline killing herself and Renoir not wanting to take any chances. Her extreme caused his.
>>719073619He never sent Clea on any war. That’s something she decided to do herself as HER way of coping with Verso’s death.
>>719073563Because he was temporarily given a reason to believe the people he believes to be his family would stop being retarded for a while and he would be left to live a separate life.Alicia staying (and trying to die) inside the Canvas means in his eyes the process will repeat itself, which means he won't be able to detach from his suffering of not ever being enough Verso to stop them from fighting, and so he will never die a natural death.Yes, he also has the same streak as Renoir by the end of not allowing Alicia to make her own choice, much like Alicia makes the exact same choice as Aline to keep coping just a little bit more even if it inconveniences the very world she supposedly wants to protect.But their base motivations remain through those choices. Neither is being self-sacrificial, but quite the opposite.
>>719073683Painted Renoir's side? In Act 3?
Why do all the male characters in this game look like the same guy at different ages
>>719073760If he's not responsible for Clea going to war and for sending Maelle to fight just because he just didn't stop them or help them, why is Aline responsible for any of the other things just because she wants to kek herself in the painting?
>>719073727I understand his motivations for it but she remained alive for another 67 years and even then wasn't on her deathbed, she was still strong enough to pop back in temporarily and help fight against him. In that 67 years it would be entirely possible if not plausible for her to decide that enough was enough and she didn't need to spend every single moment in the painting but Renoir made it known that once she's gone he will take that world from her forever. It's not shocking that she tightened her grip.
>>719073803>All of his actions are fueled by a desire to self-annihilatebut also >he believes to be his family would stop being retarded for a while and he would be left to live a separate lifeYou see the contradiction?
I picked Maelle’s ending specifically to make Verso suffer. Shouldn’t have thrown away the Painted Alicia’s letter.
>>719073929Is your reading comprehension limited to one sentence?He wants his family gone so he can be his own person and die away from their drama. This happens to co-relate and be helped by the fact he also would ensure Alicia/Aline would not be fucking out the world and dying in there, causing more of the same shit to throw his life into hell AND reminding him he is a copeout in the flesh.
>>719073727Retard.
>>719073854Monoco doesn't look like Verso
>>719074172Under the mask.
Punished Renoir>a man denied his family
>>719074087Yeah I agreed with her less than I simply wanted Verso to go fuck himself. If there was some way to eject him from the party then I would never have even seen most of the ways that he lied and betrayed everyone.
>>719073174Self-interest IS morality you leftist faggot
>>719074087>>719074234Pretty much. I think most people, even, just want to side with Painted Renoir/Painted Alicia by the end and it just isn't an option.I myself obviously thought Alicia was going about it the retard way, but nothing could ever justify not wanting to make Verso go fuck himself for eternity.
>>719074271Go be American in your ongoing dumpster-fire please, that's why you have a designated shithole to stay within.
>>719074260based stacy
>>719074271You are spiritually Indian.
>>719074260>ending still makes you chose which of the two is right
>>719074260>Surely I will be able to use this logic with Alicia and Verso later!>Nope lol
>>719074289There's also an issue with Maelle's ending waiting until after you've made your choice and then pulling a "oops, the thing that logically follows from us making you fight against Renoir in the first place is actually bad for no good reason"Without knowing ahead of time that Maelle will simply not believe her father then there's no reason to fight him to stop him destroying the canvas and then decide to destroy the canvas.
>>719074523To be fair, Verso accuses her of lying to Renoir that she just wanted to stay a while longer, and she doesn’t deny it.
>>719074102No you are just contradicting yourself every other post.>he just wants to die>actually he wants to live a separate life>actually he wants his family gone and die
>>719073619What? The only time Renoir does any sort of violence against his kids is right at the end in a desperate attempt to kick Alicia out of the painting. I don't think Renoir forced Clea to come in and help him, that was clearly Clea trying to speed up the resolution so they could get out and help her kill writers. When she got tired of how long it was taking, that's when she volunteered Alicia to help instead, who seemed pretty happy to do it just so she wouldn't have to be a burn victim for awhile.
>>719074612Welp this has turned out to be a futile investment. Let's end it here, I concede to you if that helps.
>>719074582What would even be the point? She already said that she doesn't want to stay forever and Verso doesn't believe her. His claim that Renoir doesn't believe her either means that if Verso is right then Renoir just agreed to give up and quietly watch another child die which is wildly out of character.Viewed in context it's more reasonable for Maelle to not deny what he said because he won't be convinced by words.
>>719074872He initially believed her enough to tag along during Act III, unless you’re making an argument that he was always planning on turning on E33 AGAIN. Which, granted, wouldn’t be out of character, but he did seem to have some hope of Alicia bringing everyone back, including Julie.
>>719074787Concession accepted. Next time you should consider that "wants to be his own person" is not actually "wants to self-annihilate" when you claim that all his actions are motivated by such desire.
>>719075091Gotcha. Have some headpats for the road.
>>719075019I don't doubt for a second that he always planned on betraying them again, the only doubt I have is whether he had an idea of how or when. I don't think he would have known ahead of time that he would get a chance to jump through a portal if they beat Renoir but as soon as he had the opportunity to throw aside everything they just worked for he took it without a second thought.
>>719075091The funniest part about this is that you think you’ve been replying to the same guy, but I made the original post and didn’t bother talking to you.
>>719075219He still tried to argue the same point.
Megabot #33 is the best boss track.
>>719075019> unless you’re making an argument that he was always planning on turning on E33 AGAIN. Which, granted, wouldn’t be out of character, but he did seem to have some hope of Alicia bringing everyone back, including JulieDid we play the same game with the same Verso? I would double check if that fucker said the sky is blue.
>>719075219And I clearly should have taken that approach. I kneel.
>>719075412They're all really good, even the meme ones like Francois. Rain from the Ground's my favorite, that bass is funky.
The moment Verso and the gang did the Duelliste winning cutscene and he realized with them he would manage to do things he had never managed before as he tells Monoco should have been the time realization dawned on him to change his ways.The fact it's the complete opposite and he just can't help his lying, backstabbing dipshit nature as instructed by his parents when his (painted)Sister manages, instead tripling down on his own mental unhealth and vying to fuck everything for everyone without really considering what he is doing more than two steps at a time, is both extremely realistic and extremely depressing.
>>719075950>Wow this is great, I can't see how it can go wrong now!>Hmm. I suppose it must be me then. Better get to it.Been there, been there...
>>719068974>Get my ass handed to me in several act 1/2 overworld chromatic bosses>come back in act 3 and one-shot the lot of themStacking almost 100 burn on turn 1 is a little broken against bosses.
>>719054565>completely missed the point of the character being an extreme with no compromise just like Aline isDo you retards really idolize any man that's obviously a caricature that you shouldn't idolize just because said man looks cool? How old are you, 12? Go thank your father for being there for you and financing your useless life you fatherless acting chimps.
Did Verso care about Painted Renoir at all after their falling out? There are shades of it in the scene before the Monolith fight, saying they only need to incapacitate him after Renoir reminds him that they ARE his family, but he has zero reaction to his gommage. Not even a single line or change in expression during or after.
>>719075950pAlicia is the best character in the game
>>719076579She was barely a character at all
>>719076459I think there was too much resentment built up in Verso's mind against Renoir for him to do anything but mourn after they killed Renoir. His suggestion that they only need to incapacitate Renoir felt more like a "I know this is impossible but I should say it" type of situation.
>>719076459He does look a bit somber afterwards. I mean he looks somber and depressed for the entirety of the Monolith
>>719076459>>719076650I imagine there is also the layer of resignation/realization of having royally fucked up in there.He sicc'd Alicia on him, who he knows to be a Painter, by letting P.Renoir kill Gustave in his attempt to mercy-eject her out of the painting.She already showed absolutely zero compromise and only a rabid bloodlust for the man. Sooner or later Verso's father is getting a fate worse than death out of his poorly thought-out plan to get Gustave out of the way. That he gets gommaged is the best outcome he could hope for at that point.
>>719076459He was probably envious of him for getting to die
>>719076837> That he gets gommaged is the best outcome he could hope for at that point.Yep. Imagine if he was forced to play a piano or something fucked up like that
>>719076948>Man, I wish she’d do that to me already…>Who the hell do I have to kill around here to die?
>>719076997Fake Verso had a hard afterlife... Let's not forget the loving, forever-healthy, bright-minded, creative magical asian pussy he canonly gets to put out for him every night as of the lyrics of the ending's song. Even after the betrayals.The suffering is simply inhuman.
>>719077073You joke but in his mind at that point it was a matter of "just gotta go kill the old bag and then real Renoir will kill me"
>>719076997>>719077138>Get to follow your passion to your hearts content.>Get immortality (or not) based on your own choice for the most part.>All your friends get revived.>All your family members get potentially revived too in the future..>.. because your mom actually makes it out alive and will be able to come back later under supervision.>Everyone forgives you because Alicia vouches for you even now.>So much so you manage to get Lune to fuck you again, steadily even.>Monoco and Esquie are there.>Alicia is still in copeout, but she's not even gone or anything, there remain plenty of windows to make her see different perspectives for all anyone knows.>Verso's Soulpiece may or may not be that kid going around happily playing with everyone, maybe, but if not at the very least nobody is fucking up his canvas anymore so he gets to rest.>But none of this happened on your terms so>>>>>>> >:C
>>719077409For a game with so many woman moments, Verso manages to have the most woman moments of them all
>>719077482>>719077409>>719077138The true plot twist is that he was a woman moment waiting to happen because he was not a real man, but a woman's made up perspective of a man.
>>719077719So was his father tho
>>719077771He was a bit of a simp to be fair. Loveable one, mind you, but the "he lives only for me, and our family, and me, and also me, and will kill my son's girlfriend on command" did speak of mom-tampering.
>>719054565He's as much of a retard as everyone else.The only one who could have resolved the situation would have been pic related.
>>719077978And that's why you needed to go!It would have pleased my sister too much if you got a peaceful resolution to this conflict. Can't brood then.
So does Verso have some limited Painter powers? He mentions that he could just fix up his face if he felt like it
>>719068381Yes?
>>719078272Is this a test? You ask an incredibly stupid question to see how much engagement it gets?
>>719078328That's not an answer. It's ok if you don't know.
>>719077409>anon can't comprehend happiness coming at the cost of others especially your family doesn't actually equate to happinessI keep seeing woman moment thrown around, you're definitely having one.
>>719078461>literally destroying the entire world isn't at the cost of others
>>719078461I can't tell if you are just baiting attempts at faux discussion with outright moronic, fundamentally retarded statements at this point.
literally no father would let his family OD and wither away in front of his eyes>but but they should have talked it through calmly and allowed like 1 hour of daily canvas time for everyone!not how actual humans work
>>719064606if you don't consider people, the entire game is pointless
>>719078714Maelle's ending says that Renoir did exactly that
>>719078714That his behaviour might be human doesn't make his way of handling it not retarded. They aren't mutually exclusive factors.
>>719078714If Aline hadn't returned in like 5 minutes they would have a leg to stand on but the fact she's willingly throwing herself back in just to die should directly explain to them there is no room for recovery while the bag is in the next room. They're just pretending to be retarded, or at least God I hope they are.
>>719078714If that’s the metaphor you’re going for, maybe don’t make your entire family’s identity about creating hyper addictive drugs then, the retard
>>719078861>Wow why doesn't this woman whose house I am trying to burn stay out of it when she gets kicked out?>She must be genuinely obsessed and beyond help, the logic thing to do would be to let me burn her house because I say so, how can she take this risk to come in and turn the tables against me?
>>719078771There's some heavy time dilation between the painting and the real world. For all we know Renoir and Clea could come back like 5 hours later to drag Maelle out of the Canvas.
>>719078982Replace house with bag of meth and realize how retarded you are.
Imagine being bethrothed to Clea and having to live in that giant manor haha that would suck
I simply won’t get addicted.
>>719079019Replace bag of meth with literal last existing shard of your child's soul your husband wants to destroy and realize how retarded YOU are being, room temperature IQ should be written on a warning sign around your neck.
>>719073854Verso/Gustave/Renoir all serve the same function of being Maelle's Brother/Dad. It's (probably) on purpose
>>719079116Simon, shut up.
>>719079143Anon, I get it you're trying to think and that's hurting your head. Take it easy, go play your Fortnite.
I think it’s strange that Verso didn’t fuck Maelle/Alicia desu
>>719079250>no attempt at a rebuttalEmbarrassing
Gustave could have fixed Clea's cold heart
>>719079019Replace "trying to get his wife out of the painting" fron Renoir's motivation with "trying to get his bag of meth" and see how retarded it is to support his damn addiction. He just can't stop and it's tearing their family apart.
sure let the entire family stay in the magical painting while the manor is getting literally attacked by the book nerds what could go wrong
>>719079250Uh-huh. Go graze in the retard fields now.
>>719079465Clea literally said she could solo if she needed to
>>719070057He's right, stop skipping cutscenes, Verso said it clearly, he was an artist but not the kind of artist his parents wanted him to be.
>>719079465The bookfags would never have managed their attack if the whole family were all inside the canvas more
>>719079465Why is there beef between these losers anyway? I didn’t do all the zanzibart readings
>>719079652Doesn't matter
>>719079652I guess competing for the same market of people needing to huff paint/ink to cope?It's not really delved upon.
Clea says that she painted half of the Canvas, but we never see a fragment of her soul anywhere. I wonder if she reclaimed it/convinced it to stop after the Fracture (and that's why Verso's soul is so tired, because he's maintaining a world painted by two?)
>>719079805???You see fragments of her soul all over the place
>why are anons using drug addiction as a metaphor for the canvas??
Considering their routine of cuddling despite being fully grown adults in most respects, do you think Verso and Monoco fucked during those long journeys alone?
>>719080098>the baiting retard is incapable of understanding metaphors himself despite advocating for their usageThis is a genuine irony.
>>719080098You're showing direct evidence from the game but that's just going to make them mad and double down on their retarded takes.
>>719080098They won't like this one, boss
Fake engagement brigade has arrived and unleashed the resident schizo.Please vacate the thread in an orderly manner, they WILL bite you.
>>719079597Verso made one canvas and presumably followed his true passion. Even his copy was allowed to study piano before the Fracture happened. There is no indication that he was forced to continue to paint in any way.
>>719077409>>719077138I know they had to do romance because theyre french and are all whores but im still upset about lune getting with him. My boy gustave deserved better.
>>719058197Right, she has no voice and she is horribly disfigured. She will probably live in that house until she dies or she could live in her fun fantasy world with all her friends and loved ones where she is a creator. She is only 16 and her life is basically over in the real world
>>719081081In my game Lune told him to piss off
>>719081081Unsurprisingly the writer's self-insert really wanted to fuck Verso and just had to make sure Lune did even if it meant sticking it in the song lyrics for reference.
>>719081148>people never recover from traumatic eventsHad a bad day? Oh well guess I better kill myself. Yes I'm being over the top but the assumption she won't get any better as she grows is equally as retarded.
>>719081156As she should. Hes a cunt and i dont understand what they were thinking. >>719081172I hate the french.
His power to bring people together was just too powerful. Verso feared the inevitable.
>>719081472>I hate the french.The writer is a chinese woman.
>>719054565Yes that’s why this game is genius.
>>719081584Chinese women are spiritually french. Except i want to fuck them.
>>719081403Real life dumbass. Let's be realistic she is never going to find love and even if she somehow does is probably some creep that will hold the fact that he married a cripple over her head. She can't even express herself properly. Her mother resents her and her sister is aloof. She is destined to live in the basement where daddy will still love her but her life is basically over and he will grow old and die
>>719081770She is a paintress.
>>719081770She can get out of the basement if she can trick her dad into taking her and her kids to the hospital, then she can tell someone what happened
>>719081853So the argument is what, don't kill yourself in my yard, do it elsewhere?
>>719081770>she is never going to find loveOh no the horror, I couldn't imagine..>her mother resents herRetarded and you didn't listen to audio logs.>sister is aloofThe sister that cared enough to tell Verso to look out for her?>can't express herselfShe can't paint? Write? She doesn't have a Chewie Han thing going on with her and Clea?>her life is basically grow old and dieOh no, the horror, its almost like everybody else in life.
>>719081926I am starting to think you care less about her standing against the odds and more about her not being allowed to die how she wants and being forced to suffer because others have to suffer.
>>719081490It's funny because they both fucked him over.
>>719062112>send your only living and functioning daughter to war on her ownClea is on a solo warpath, dno where you read about renoir sending her to war (you didn't)>let your crippled daughter get split schizo mental disorderRenoir told Alicia to stay out of the painting, literally didn't play the game lol, lmao even
>>719081926The audio logs that have her mother say that seeing Alicia is the worst and she can stand looking at or being around her because it forces her to think about the pain which she hates doing
>>719081993That would be funny I won't lie but I genuinely just don't understand the people saying things like "her life is over." She's 16 ffs and has magic powers.
>>719081916Not really. There is a reason Alicia and her mother are obsessed with this one canvas and not just painting in general.
>>719082158Her magic powers mean nothing outside of the painting where she's escaping her shitty, totally over life
>>719076424what should he have compromized on?
>>719081926Unlike you Maelle is a pretty girl with a likeable personality so of course she can find love. Even if she was ugly she could still find love but she is literally disfigured. Believe me she is probably very aware of this fact
>>719082210Sure. And once that factor is gone, why would you not latch onto the next best thing?Alicia got attached to Fake Verso, which is not even relevant to the real Verso or his soul. It's just a fake approximation made by her mother.Since destroying the canvas does nothing to address the problem or help anyone outside of basically just burning one source of unhealthy attachment, why would the next assumption not be>Wait a minute, I can make my own Verso as I remember him and just kill myself in my own painting! Close enough!Because that seems like the most likely conclusion out of beating the shit out of a child who fought her hardest to safe her friends and the brother she caused the death of only to be show all her efforts are meaningless.
>>719082272>point being: ???No really, what was the point?
Even if Alicia could manage to find a Hanakofag that was into her the last time she trusted someone her brother died in a horrible conflagration. After that how is she supposed to trust that someone just happens to be so into her that her mangled face, fucked eye and lack of a voice aren't an issue?
>>719082471Silly anon.You are forgetting her burnt lungs. Those never heal even in adulthood, btw.
>>719082521I don't think that's the first thing that guys are gonna notice about her
>>719082417Are you dumb? Falling in love and being in love is important and doable for someone like her. Is a basic need. She probably wishes she could find herself a swell guy like Gustav
>>719082570You aint checkin out dem lungs?
>>719082570When the first thing a person doing as she approaches in the distance is wheeze like Darth Vader just from walking, I am pretty sure you do.
>>719082374>I can make my own VersoCan she, Anon? After how many years of training and perfecting the craft?
>>719082621It doesn't cross my mind until she has a reason to hold her breathI'm more focused on teeth and nails and knockers and legs and nape
>>719082668Uh. You... expect an actual answer to that? Because there is none. 8 year old Verso made Esquie and Monoco and an entire society of sapient creatures with subcultures and magical rituals, so I am guessing not a lot?
>>719082660Nah I think dudes will still spot the face and eye socket first, many would likely even be so distracted by it that the wheezing goes unnoticed altogether
>>719082825The overall combination paints a poor picture all around anyway, first impressions aside.
>>719082890Also she's a mopey little fuckin sad sack
>>719054565the entire dessendre family was evilthe morally right thing to do would be to lock the painting away from everyone, never let anyone go inside again and never paint anything other than landscapes in the future
>>719082762You are aware that it took a painter on the level of Aline to actually make Verso and the people of Lumiere.
>>719054823this made me genuinely mad
>>719080098>>719080170>>719080286
Why didn't Clea just go get a safe to put the canvas into so Aline can't get to it?
>>719083590If she could get out then why not get back in?If she leaves the door open until Aline is out then closes it then Renoir and Alicia can't get outIf she waits for all 3 to get out then it's literally no different from what happens in the game
Who would you allow to impregnate you? Gustave or Verso?
>>719083170We quite literally have no statement on that being the case. There is no measure of how difficult it is to create a Hee-man Bean-like creature in a painting, skill-wise or otherwise.The only thing they say is that it took Aline to make an entire, autonomous city capable of reproduction and critical thinking as well as advancing of their own technology.But again, it took an 8 year old child to make an entire society of perfectly adaptable humanoid beings capable of having their own personalities and thoughts.Clea, at a similar age, was able to make entire ecosystems of fucked up psychodelic monsters with all sorts of different effects to the surrounding laws of physics.I find it hard to believe the gap between "looks like a doll/monster" and "looks like a human" while everything else functions relatively the same is so big that it literally goes from 8 year old child to the leader of the entire fucking guild of Painters.
>>719083170Aline is just the one who wanted to paint thatAlicia paints people, it takes her a number of tries but she also never produces an incorrect resultVerso and Clea wanted to paint a world of whimsy and that's what they did
>>719084062Painted Renoir, of course.
>>719055876>>719056226>>719056313verso's grave states he died 33rd of december. so this world may be some inception tier mindfuckery where neither the paintings or painters are "real" in the lens of our irl perception.
>>719083170Like the other anons said verso already made self-aware shit, why would it take so much more effort to make them just look like people?
>>719084075>We quite literally have no statement on that being the caseWe quite literally have. Renoir calls Verso one Aline's finest works and that is a highly skilled painter commenting on another's work. What you are comparing are a child's painting of the family dogs and his version of Power-Man to the Mona Lisa that are the actually complex people living in Lumiere.>>719084695My dog is self-aware to some degree. How much more training until he starts to talk?
>>719085050>Renoir calls Verso one Aline's finest worksThere is a world of difference between that and saying that it takes one of the best painters there is to paint peopleVerso was a real, specific person and the one that Aline wanted the most, she put the most effort into painting him perfectly. That doesn't suggest that he could not be painted by someone of lesser skill.
>>719085050Your dog talking comparison is incredibly retarded considering these apparent dog equivalents can very much talk. Please use your brain
>>719085050Are you trying to tell me you believe Aline creating humanlike paintings is supposed to be THE most amazing shit to ever happen, yet the only way that is ever conveyed in the game is through a vague notion of praise from one character at one specific point, and nobody ever reacts on it again?Alright then...
>>719085507>it takes one of the best painters there is to paint peopleThis is the only thing we know. We don't see anyone else do it. There is not even a hint that someone else could do it. Every other creation is not on the level of an actual human being. If it were that easy for Alicia to just make her own Verso we wouldn't have the ending we got.>>719086268No, how would you come to that conclusion?
>>719086724>If it were that easy for Alicia to just make her own Verso we wouldn't have the ending we got.Alright so you don't even understand what Alicia wants in her own ending at that point. This shit's ridiculous. Go to your corner, fucktard. I am done.
>>719086724We do see someone else do itThere is only one thing in the entire game that is commented on requiring substantial skill as a painter and that is painting over another painter's work
>>719086847She wants to live with her brother in her fake fantasy world.>>719086882>We do see someone else do itNo we don't. We see Alicia repainting people from their Chroma.
>>719062383Clea was literally the only stable, non-psycho of the family.
>>719054765This, he did nothing wrong.
>Outside the Painting, Alicia hides the portrait and Clea even admits its a clever spot>Apparently it's not so clever because Aline basically jumps right back in after getting booted outAnd that was what I thought for a while but now I think it makes more sense that Clea told Aline where the portrait was. At some point she realized that E33 needed Aline's help to fight Renoir. It makes sense for Clea's character, someone who doesn't want to get bogged down in other people's struggles and as a person who works behind the scenes. Even though her actions are selfish, she wants Renoir's help against the evil Writers, Clea's actions are for the greater good.
>>719088445The Canvas is hidden inside another Canvas, which is why Alicia talks when showing it to Clea
>>719086724>>it takes one of the best painters there is to paint people>This is the only thing we know. We don't see anyone else do it.No we see Alicia do it by repainting Pierre (someone she never even met) as well as Gustave and Sophie.
>>719088879>repaintingNot painting. She repainted people from their Chroma she was now fully in control of.
Imagine being a Verso hater.
>>719089224And how is painting a person so much more difficult than not only painting them but making them perfectly match something that you never even saw? Chroma deteriorates over time so you can't use the same kind of excuse for Pierre as you could for Lune and Sciel
>>719089224People's chroma is only intact if they're killed by Nevrons. The literal only reason she was even able to repaint Lune and Sciel was because she was able to get to their chroma before it could dissipate, something that has long since happened to Pierre, Sophie, and Gustave.
>>719089590>how is creating something new much more difficult than tracing over whatever already existedGeez, I dunno.>Chroma deteriorates over time The Chroma trapped by Nevrons does. It's also described as impure. >>719089590>People's chroma is only intact if they're killed by Nevrons.Headcanon. >before it could dissipateChroma goes back to whoever controls it.
>>719090219>>how is creating something new much more difficult than tracing over whatever already existed>like painting someone you've never seen before>>People's chroma is only intact if they're killed by Nevrons.>Headcanon.Oh so you actually didn't play the game. That explains everything.
>>719090498>Oh so you actually didn't play the game.You are free to quote the actual game for your claims.
>>719090219Chroma goes to whoever can claim it, Maelle literally grabs it from under Renoir's nose
>>719090739And Chroma (if not trapped by Nevrons) returned to Aline when she was still around even though she was trapped on the Monolith.
>>719090631Why quote the game when I could quote you in your exact same post instead>Chroma trapped by NevronsPeople who are kill by Nevrons keep all of their chroma within their bodies. People who die by other mean dissipate their chroma, hence why no body is left behind.
>>719091056Some did, more than went to Renoir. Aline was explicitly better than him, she could take more of it than he could so Clea interfered.If it just goes back to the one in control then Nevrons and Axons can't even happen
>>719091209>People who die by other mean dissipate their chromaSee >>719091056>>719091246Sure. Poor choice of words on my part. The point is that chroma goes somewhere, e.g. Pierre's and Gustave's to Aline and Sophie's to Renoir. It doesn't just vanish.
act 3 is carried by the dialogue and voice acting but the writing is garbage renior and verso are treated with kid gloves for being genocidal maniacs, and act 3 basically ignores the painted people and reduce the conflict to basically maelle escaping reality and killing herself or accepting reality, there's no body fighting for the painted people maelle mostly talks about how shit her life in the real world, now there's nothing wrong with maelle caring about only that but we needed a character to fight for the painted people.
>>719091817The specifics of that are never made clear, once the painter has the chroma they can reuse it to make things (which could very well be the case with at least Sophie, Renoir paints a bunch of things) but how long the chroma retains that memory or even if it's something contained in the chroma itself is questionable. Maelle grabs chroma for Lune and Sciel but there's no way to know if it contained a blueprint, if it was just a mess of ingredients that Maelle had to put back together or even if it was specifically their chroma. From what was shown it could be that Maelle just needed to gather enough chroma to rework into the images she had in her head. If a person's essence was part of the chroma that made them then Maelle shouldn't have needed to focus on her friend's essence in order to recreate them from their chroma.
>>719092214I think people forget the real Verso and how desperate he was to be set free. I don't know how a piece of his soul would feel being separated from the rest of his soul
What's your favorite boss anons?
>>719092604That's easy to forget since such desperation to be set free is literally never shown
>>719092719Francois
>>719092604so funny people try to claim painted people aren't real despite being exactly like us human except they were created by humans but are willing to sacrifice them for a ghost that we barely know anything about, is he even real?
>>719054565>doesn't kill his enemies while he canthink again
>>719092871Yes it was dumbass. He is the little boy without a face, he wants to set free and finally put to rest. You could also see how desperate painted Verso was just crying and begging when Maelle won and how desperate he was when saw his real self and figuring out they both want the same thing.
>>719093169I know who he is, he is never shown as desperate to be free. He's shown unsure of whether or not he should stop. The only thing the Fading Boy definitively wants and is actually desperate for is for the canvas to stop being eaten
>>719092571You are free to assume that Lune and Sciel are just chroma golems whose memories were partially made up by Alicia when she repainted them. I prefer to believe that their Chroma contained their memories just so Alicia's ending doesn't become even more fucked up.
>>719092719Monoco for the music.
>>719093060He is basically the little piece of soul Verso left. It wants to be put to rest. That's why you see his whole family putting him to rest afterwards. That's why you see his dog (a form pure love) and his plushie friend (another being with pure love) hug him because they understand what Verso wants and why he wants it. I understand Maelle's point of view but she is basically sacrificing her brother for her own happiness. He sacrificed himself once and died for her and then the piece of him that was left in the painting is also sacrificing itself for Maelle's happiness and Maelle is willing to exploit him while Verso just wants to set himself free
>>719093408They retained memories that Alicia shouldn't have known so something is up there but my point is more about whether or not "their" chroma is still "them". If Renoir would have been able to recreate them perfectly had the chroma made it back to him. The game never gives enough answers about that situation to make any concrete claims about how much easier recreating a person is compared to creating a new one.
>>719093397Are you autistic? he is painting sadly and desperately on the floor all alone. Verso feels his sadness and is the only one to ask what he wants. The answer is he is tired and wants to stop painting.
Clea's big wet farts.
i think the plot is fucking shit overall but ngl the dialogues and general character writing is truly high quality for a game
>>719057832That's a good question. Why haven't you played it yet if you are interested? Waiting on a sale or something?
>>719093851You think she used to fart on Francois since he couldn't move away?
>>719093803>he is painting sadly and desperately on the floor all aloneYou are absolutely projecting that onto him. He's just painting, he has no capacity to convey that he's sad about it. Verso goes into that space with his own mind firmly locked on wanting to die and he guides the child to agree with him. He tells the boy that he's tired and wants to stop, then asks for confirmation.There is never once any desperation shown to be freed
Verso's comment on how painting is about essence and not verisimillitude makes me think that every detail about painted creatures exists purely because the creator expects them to.The people can think for themselves because that's what a human should be able to. Though that does make me wonder about stuff outside human perceptions.Do sub-atomic particles exist in the painted world? Does quantum mechanics?
>>719066523In terms of a turn based RPG, the gameplay was pretty decent.
Japanese IGN reviewer is right. The twist does ruin this game.
>>719094265Although it wasn't what I would have chosen, ruin is pretty strong. Why do people think a game/story has to go in the exact direction they would want it to? Narcissism?
>>719070381>kills Axon Clea
>>719094220Safe to say electrons are a thing
>>719094265How so?
>>719069207Damn man, I'm honestly so grateful I never got mentally fucked up with this class warfare stuff. Imagine just having a complete lack of empathy for other people because they have a higher number on their bank account.
>>719094190Use your brain, the boy tells you throughout the game that he is tired and that he knows what he wants to do. In the isolated room he is painting sadly, Verso doesn't guide the child to agree with him. It is what the child wants and Verso being Verso knows it. This is why Maelle panics when she sees Verso meeting the real him because she knows Verso will save him
why are ng+ superbosses so hardserpenphare explodered 5 times but is still alive
>>719094585No what the boy tells you throughout the game is that he loves his painted world and all the fun he had in it with Clea, how he wishes that it wasn't being destroyed and how he wishes that people knew what it means for him to paint.You have so many meetings with the Fading Boy and on none of them does he say "I wish I could just give up and stop existing" for some reason despite how much he desperately wants it because his total lack of features looked sad and how he was painting on the floor like a child.Verso's understanding of him holds no added weight because Verso is not Verso
>>719094585>Force the world full of self-aware sentient beings into existence for no reason other than entertainment>"Well fuck looks like I'm tired">"Time to kill everyone"And here we have yet another reason why the only thing that p*inters deserve is death in fire.
>>719095224So if hypothetically they already had death in fire then there's no argument against them doing that?
>>719094951Verso is not manipulating himself for his own selfish desires he understands what the boy really wants because he is also Verso. Verso will always sacrifice himself for Maelle and Verso finally understands his father's reasoning. The little boy is a little boy and talks about how much fun his world is but he also understands what he needs to do. I am pretty sure the boy has shown hesitation and sadness about his situation
>>719093616The fact you think what the soul piece wants is as simple as that means you genuinely understand nothing about the ending, which is sad to say the least.
>>719095569>He is also VersoBitch. Are you stupid?He is NOT Verso. The whole point of the entire situation of the whole character is that he is fundamentally different from the actual Verso because he is a PERCEPTION OF HIM MADE BY HIS GRIEVING MOTHER.HE SAYS SO.BOTH OF MONOCO AND! ESQUIE SAY SO.They have three whole conversations about it!THEN HE SAYS SO AGAIN, TO ALICIA.THEN ALICIA SAYS SO.THEN THEY REAFFIRM IT AGAIN WHEN HE GETS TALKED TO LIKE A COMPLETE LITERAL WHO BY REAL RENOIR WHO IS LIKE "Eh close enough i guess her best work but not really"How are you this stupid?
>>719092214The problem with fighting for the painted people is that you’re fighting gods. The gods can make infinite more painted people, it’s passe for them.
>>719094951Not that anon, but it takes a pretty large amount of copium to try to argue Verso's soul's predicament was in any way tenable. It was an incomplete consciousness with no future stuck in a perpetual task with no prospects of respite and whose creation is an active source of misery for the people he loved the most. You can argue for preserving the canvas pretty fairly without arguing that Verso's Soul's situation is acceptable.Just imagine there was some sort of contraption irl that was powered by a part of you dead mother's soul or whatever, fated to be toiling away doing a mundane task forever. I would like to imagine you would not be ok with that assuming you love her.
>>719092214>but we needed a character to fight for the painted people.why? That was not the point of the story. Why shove a third wheel that was completely unrelated to the central conflict? It would just dilute the narrative.
>>719095569You can go over the entirety of a game that goes as far as giving you the quest for The Reacher so that you understand how different the painted people are to the real people they are supposed to represent, and a whole speech about Verso understanding he will never be enough because at the end of the day he never knew what it was to be the real Verso, and you will still come to a thread to say something like this.
>>719094951I am rereading his dialogues and he definitely sounds depressed, doubtful and tiredYoung boy: Another Expedition… 33…Gustave: Who are you?Young boy: Me? A dream, an illusion… I don’t really remember. What I did all of this for… I miss… laughing with everyone…Gustave: Who are you talking about?Young boy: Re… Cle… What were their names? I… Why do I forget… Everything… Is washed away… (the boy has gone silent)Young boy: He is here… Doing… What needs to be done. What I can’t do anymore…Lune: What can’t you do anymore?Young boy: Yes… Unless… No… Maybe I should never stop… But…(The boy has gone silent.)Young boy: Maybe I should continue… Maybe… I should continue…Lune: Maybe you should.Young boy: I… Yeah… If that were a choice…(The boy has gone silent.)He doesn't remember his loved ones fully because he is incomplete
>>719078272Real Verso, yes.Painted Verso, most likely no.If Verso could use painter mumbo jumbo to remove his scar, he wouldn't need to rely on a gestral to dye his hair.
>>719095730The main point of stating that he's not really Verso has more to do with making it clear that the main reason for his existence, from the real family's perspective, is a toxic dependence. For the purposes of this argument, it's very much relevant that he is "Verso". He inherits all of real Verso's memories and his personality is modeled on his too, to the point he makes an otherwise insane sacrifice if not for the fact that he mirrors Verso's character as a guy who sacrifices his own life to save his family. He absolutely would know fragment Verso better than anyone in existence, and Aline seems to agree too, given the implication of her giving him the ability to enter fragment Verso's limbo realm
>>719092214Just ignore everything in Chapter 3 and enjoy the optional fights. You can tell they were running out of narrative steam and just wanted to throw a bunch of combat encounters out there.
>>719095730I know he is painted Verso retard but he is still a version of him and that's why he was the only one willing to empathize and listen to real Verso who is the faceless boy
>>719096214Verso CAN remove his scar but chooses not to because even as a painting him and his fake father are too french to not be wooed by a cool eye scar.
>>719095591What is this >>719096174 supposed to mean then?>>719096157This>>719096267
>>719095591What is this supposed to mean? How much more obvious does the game need to be in order for you to understand >He is here… Doing… What needs to be done… What I can’t do anymore…>A. *[What needs to be done?]*>For… My sake… And theirs…>*The boy has gone silent.*>B. *[What can’t you do anymore?]*>Yes… Unless… No… Maybe I should never stop… But…>*The boy has gone silent.*
>>719056331Gus stave
>>719096339They should have made the activity of collecting chroma more involved instead of just a cutscene.
Can we take a moment to appreciate my favorite character in any game in last several years? She seems to always get lost in the shuffle, which I guess is part of what makes her character so interesting.... What tracks are you particularly vibing to right now? For me, it's currently:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpYzRZKu5tw&list=RDFpYzRZKu5tw&start_radio=1andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVIVOoeocMY&list=RDXVIVOoeocMY&start_radio=1
>>719097835>backtracking through every single areaIt would be absolutely hated.
>>719098273Didn't say that. They could have made the areas that open up to you in act three have expeditioner bodies everywhere and would make sense for you to explore them to gather up chroma. Could have made it a quest.
>>719098273And they already did that but better in the monolith. I think there's some merit to that idea that ACT3 should've been more fleshed out and the chroma collection did seem like the natural framework to build the third act around though. They could maybe have done a soft NG+ type of thing where the previous zones were all now guarded by Renoir's creations so they would be populated by new enemies and new loot, but idk, it's pointless to argue for that now and there's more than enough content outside the non existent main quest in act 3 so I guess it doesn't matter at the end of the day.
>>719096503I didn't say he couldn't remove the scar. I implied that he most likely cannot use painter powers to remove the scar, because why couldn't he use those same powers for his hair color? A gestral also mentions that some gestrals remove their scars which is likely the method Verso would use if he wanted to.
>>719098848I mean we see Renoir heal and regenerate after his fights, it's likely that it's just some chroma bs
>>719098848>A gestral also mentions that some gestrals remove their scars which is likely the method Verso would use if he wanted to.It's explicitly mentioned in the same convo about his scar that Renoir could do the same, and I don't think Renoir is on good enough terms with the Gestrals to arrange that sort of deal. My interpretation was simply that they have some sort of control over Aline's regeneration or something like that. It's not that they can paint themselves, but they can somehow control the same mechanism that makes them immortal to not heal the scar or something along those lines...
New Guillaume Broche interview has droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZEP5kjw-w4
>>719054565If you subscribe to the idea that painted people aren't worth moral consideration, he looks like a completely deluded fool in conversing and treating them like people. Also being fine with being jailed for 67 years by his wife and letting his daughter kill herself is moronic levels of virtuosity.
>>719099140Somehow I find this guy to be the least interesting person involved with the project and I don't know exactly why because he's likely the person who contributed the most to what the game became....
>>719099346The entire family except Clea and Verso is legitimately retarded and autistic
>>719099091>they can somehow control the same mechanism that makes them immortalThey clearly have some level of control given the Verso Magic scene.Regardless of if it's a feature of their immortality, or some scar removal technology that exists in the painting, it's almost certainly not evidence that suggests they have any meaningful Painter powers.
>>719099346>If you subscribe to the idea that painted people aren't worth moral consideration, he looks like a completely deluded fool in conversing and treating them like people.Well then clearly he doesn't, does he?>Also being fine with being jailed for 67 years by his wife and letting his daughter kill herself is moronic levels of virtuosity.what in the world are you on about?
>>719098494Agreed. The game is good overall especially when compared to the slop we've been getting the last few years. Maybe there will be a more fleshed out sequel that is more about the painters vs writers conflict. Could be interesting....
>>719099516Oh no, idk where one would even get that impression. Seems pretty clear cut and defined who is and isn't a painter in the story.
>>719099550>Maybe there will be a more fleshed out sequel that is more about the painters vs writers conflict.well, hopefully not. I really hope they have the good sense to just move on to a new project and don't waste time in a needless sequel that can only dilute the original.
>>719099602I was answering this anon's question >>719078272Real Verso is objectively a Painter. Painted Verso most likely has no Painter powers whatsoever and his line about removing the scar is most likely through other means
>>719099771Lol, cringe take. It's a game, not a statue carved by Michaelangelo.
>>719099815Oh yeah I got that, I was basically just agreeing with . I just butted in because of the argument about how exactly they could erase the scars, not the original argument.
>>719100114what does that even mean?
>>719075091as an outsider looking in, lmao dude.
>>719100236Acting like a sequel would "dilute" it instead of possibly building up on it. Like it's an untouchable masterpiece or something.
>>719075091Anyone who says "'concession accepted" is a fucking tranny faggot. No exceptions.
>>719100319What's there to build upon? The conflict was resolved. There are no loose threads. There's no reason to build on anything other than "make new product". >muh writersthey don't matter. They were literally just a narrative device to serve the plot, which was fully resolved.It's just way better for them to start a new thing. Make it a turn based jrpg if you want or whatever and build on the technical aspects of E33, that's totally fine, but a direct sequel is just a pretty bad idea, and yes, it most likely would dilute the original. I really enjoyed my experience with it and I would rather it not be tainted by superfluous garbage retconning and /or ruining whatever magic it has like what happened with countless other franchises.
>>719100773There’s plenty of loose threads. To not want anything else set in this universe is just a distrust of the writers to ever make anything good again. It would be bad if it’s an infinite recursion of “Back to Verso’s painting wahey”.
>>719100997>There’s plenty of loose threads.such as?
>>719101182Despite you thinking they were fully resolved, whatever the fuck the “writers” were obviously wasn’t. It’s an entire world of superpowered artists by the sound of things. Just telling stories with that as a core design conceit is interesting, you saw how it informed the artstyle.
>>719101726Yes, this could center around Clea and Renoir. Or could even be told from the Writer's side
>>719101726>whatever the fuck the “writers” were obviously wasn’t.and what would be the point? They were clearly just a narrative tool to make the plot work. "what are the writers?" is not a premise for a story, just like "what are painters?" was not the question e33 was answering.>you saw how it informed the artstyle.exactly. We already saw it. I guess what I'm saying is if you're suggesting making a game with a completely unrelated story and characters to the original but arbitrarily set in the same universe, why not just make a new universe and use whatever aesthetic you would use for that? Do you get what I'm saying? For all intents and purposes, the same grounds for creativity you want to borrow from the concept of "painted worlds brought to life" can just be abstracted into making a new game universe. Why attach it to the previous IP other than marketing?
>>719102250Because people like it and want more of it. You're being highly autistic about this.>I already had cake once in my life. Ill never have it again as it will be the same and will diminish the first time I ate cake.
>>719102757I can't even imagine how one can just ignore the last 20+ years of a consistent pattern and delude themselves into thinking this is a good idea. It's insanity, I don't get it. The examples of needless sequels derailing a franchise into becoming mediocre so far outweigh whatever examples there are of the opposite. Even Dark Souls which is probably the best example of enduring quality in the medium never hit the same heights of Dark Souls under the Dark Souls name and universe and hit a significant bump at number 2.
>>719102250>why not make a new universeBecause "Universe inspired by an artform and artists" is entirely contained within the universe they made. Sure they could make Blair Blobscure and it would be the same painting-inspired style but completely unrelated, but why even bother? They even have A and B plots nailed out for future installments, the A plot of the individual problems of the current situation and the B plot of the unstable wider world.
>>719103401That's because Dark Souls isn't different than Demon's Souls isn't different than Elden Ring. The problem isn't that Dark Souls 3 is called Dark Souls 3, the problem is that they hit development hell immediately with 2 and that they clearly didn't want to make 3. The problem is that Fromsoft failed to progress their craft with iteration.
>>719104283fuck it, make it a yearly franchiseClair of Obscur: Expedition Ops 33
>>719104536See, that's where everything suffers, when the artists can't possibly have enough ideas. I'm not asking for yearly installments, but I think they've left plenty of room for further things in this universe if they so choose.
>>719104283Ok, let's then clear this up and maybe come to some sort of understanding. If you're arguing for making a game where the writers are the central focus and the painters are either completely absent or as present as the writers are in e33 (basically not at all) and the plot is completely unrelated to anything in e33 then sure. That's essentially making a completely different game and I'm fine with that. They can even keep the Clair Obscure: [SUBTITLE] nomenclature and it would sort of work as an anthology sort of thing.If you're arguing for a direct sequel to the events of E33 in ANY capacity, either characters, events, or otherwise then I am completely against that. I don't believe there's any reasonable chance it would turn out to be a worthwhile use of 5 years of these devs lives.>>719104394My brother they released BB and Sekiro within similar timeframes as all Dark Souls entries and both worked out amazingly well. The number 1 complain you see about DaS3 to this day is that it references and wallows in the lore and legacy of DaS too much, which is fair and part of the problem with direct sequels. If you're following in the steps of an original great vision, you are immediately setting a ceiling for yourself from the start. BB and Sekiro had no such restraints because they were themselves independent visions and could strive for a greatness of their own.
>>719102250You're talking to retards. Don't bother.
>2 renoirs, 2 alicias>oh but those are painted fakes>no there isnt a painted clea or aline, stop asking questionsgames story went to shit as soon as they decided lol its all fake it was a all a dream.it wouldve been better to just be straightforward. world is real, kill eveil paintress who is killing people, yay world is saved game over.but nah everything has to be so heckin le deep and about depression and subvert expectations with le twists
>>719105158Be honest do you chew with your mouth open?
I don’t think E33 is perfect, but I feel as though it’ll be remembered as one of the all time greats.It gives me that same vibe that Ocarina of Time gives where even if it’s not one of your personal favourites, it’s objectively a GOAT.
>>719105158>>2 renoirs, 2 alicias>>oh but those are painted fakes>>no there isnt a painted clea or aline, stop asking questionsAnon you could just pirate the game or watch someone else play it if you couldn't afford buying it
>>719105158The plot is actually infinitely better BECAUSE of the twist. It’s pretty obvious from the moment you see Renoir that there’s going to be more to the plot than “kill The Paintress and save the world”.
>>719105158>>no there isnt a painted clea or alinePainted Clea is literally one of the superbosses. Also, I get the feeling that the Giant Paintress is supposed to be painted Aline.
>>719105564>Also, I get the feeling that the Giant Paintress is supposed to be painted Aline.She isn't. She more like an axon than a painted person. There would make no sense for there to be a painted Aline. The question in itself is so profoundly retarded idk how this is even a thing. I feel like this shouldn't even need to be stated, but the sole and ONLY reason there are painted copies of Renoir, Verso, Clea and Alicia is because Aline made them as her replacement family inside the canvas. Why would she make a painted copy of herself???
>>719104635theres room to explore but will the exploration be on the same level when a lot of the universe is explored alreadyidk i find myself on the "dilute" side of the argumentbut my position doesnt matter. theres a movie coming and sequels confirmed so all we can do is just wait and see
>>719105370>>719105331>um no actually its super deep>u didnt play itarguing with 14 year olds. bring on age verification
>>719105784>theres a movie coming and sequels confirmed so all we can do is just wait and seeoh shit, is that true? I guess I don't care about a movie spinoff because I can just compartmentalize it as a side thing after it inevitably turns out to be utter garbage and forgotten in about 5 minutes but are the sequels confirmed to be specifically e33 sequels?
>>719105956idk i just hear bits and pieces here or theresequels are apparently mentioned in the new interview linked itt but i of course didnt watch it, just skimmed the comments
>>719105158Are... you pretending the game wasn't being obvious about the world being a painting?Bitch it's in the lyrics of the song the moment the game starts.
>>719106121>>719105956 I don’t know how you’d make a sequel to E33 unless you did the Final Fantasy thing of making it an anthology series where each game is different. The endings are too radically different and all the loose ends are tied up. It’s a finished story.
>>719105158Single most retarded post ITT, and that's saying something.
>>719103401>All sequels badJust because some sequels are unnecessary cash grabs doesnt mean that ALL of them are.
>read thread>people talking or bitching about verso with lune>the games cutscenes literally shove sciel into his as every 5 secondsnever had greater evidence to the fact that 4chan is full of schizophrenic psychos. and people suggest that *I* didnt play the game lol
>>719067235Why didn't he just let Lumiere know that real renoir was the source of the gommages so that they'd go after him instead of his waifu?
>>719105870>be objectively wrong>get corrected>ACTUALLY YOU DIDN'T PLAY ITOkay, let's go more into detail as to why you're retarded.There are two Renoirs and two Alicias, and only one of each is a painted fake.There is no painted Aline as she was the one who painted the family to larp with in the first place. Why would she paint herself to larp with?There is a painted Clea which is an optional boss fight.If you want to count the Axons, than all family members barring Renoir get +1 painted version as he was the one to paint them which would give you a total of>2 Renoirs (one painted, one real)>2 Alines (one Axon, one real)>(potentially) 3 Cleas (one painted, potentially one Axon, one real)>3 Alicias (one painted, one Axon, one real)>3 Versos (one painted, one Axon, one real (dead))Your next line is to claim you were pretending to be retarded.
>>719106558>>719106301>im so smart and ur so dum but im not gonna explain whyzoomers playing their first game and having their first discussion on a video game that isnt fortnite or roblox.you are genuinely unintelligent.
>>719107289I accept your concession
>>719107289A'ight then...
>>719106995Anon, what the fuck would the point be? At best they believe him and it causes massive civilizationally unrest knowing the full truth and nature of their existence. We find out that the expeditions were basically all futile and destined to fail no matter what because both Aline and Renoir are essentially gods. the only reason 33 "worked" is because it unknowingly brought a god along too
>>719107213>schizo screechingyep, got a nervedisagreeing is not "correction" child. learn the basic definitions of fact and opinion. do we need to get the old arthur fact vs opinion game out for you?the point is nothing is explained well. they say this is versos painting but you know what, im not even gonna bother. you are clealry under 20 years of age and are far too stupid to waste anymore energy on. this site truly collects the dumbest people on the planet
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>>719107538>concessionAccepted.
>>719056331Cuckstav fully deserved it. I cheered when I was able to get rid of him for good.
>>719057119Ya, Gustave would probably tell Maelle she needs to face the real world while at the same time telling Renoir his solution to completely erase the canvas was overboard. Like shit just gommage verso and replace the fragment of his soul with another painters soul so the mom gets over it.
>>719108252Just do a gangbang with Maelle. That'd solve everything. Everyone gets a turn.
>>719108396Disgusting fucking coom. I can't wait for your kind to get the rope
>>719108541And Francois as well
you all see that other thread up about "enjoying a game without interacting with fans at all" and how that thread always has people agreeing with "all of them"?yeah, reading the schizo meltdowns from kids in this thread is precisely why
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>>719108252>and replace the fragment of his soul with another painters soul so the mom gets over it.we have no reason to believe something like this is possible at all.On a broader note regarding your post; this whole impulse to try and "fix" the dilemma of the end of the game is completely misguided. A story exists within the characters that participate, not outside of them. It's meaningless to argue what the outcome would've been if the characters participating were different because it would void the whole reason for the story to exist.
>>719106995>how tf do u know that?>im a copy of the god who causes it, trust me bro
>>719054565Got Simon, the platinum and Verso ending last week or so. Gonna go through the second playthrough at newgame+ to get Maelle's.Anyone else feels like Lune is a sort of echo of Clea? And I don't just mean that by the fact they're both bare feet goddesses, but she feels like she's also shouldering such a big responsibility and that huge weight of her family's legacy (much like it's symbolically depicted by the Hauler Axon about Clea). They also have that strong driven mentality to really push forward and go to war with the world, even if they have to do it alone by themselves. And Lune is one of three children iirc. They also had a dog. Just replace painters for scientists as her parents.
>>719109159That seems like a huge stretch
>>719108252They told him that, Renoir wasn't in the mood for listening.
>>719109346Neither was Maelle in the mood to listen to literally everyone who cares for telling her she should just leave at least for the time being.
>>719106995If you find Verso journal they did, at least partially tell the truth. He is right too, you start telling people about painted worlds and doppelgangers people would think you were crazy. I'd be like during WW2 you trying to convince a platoon of soldiers we need to go to some random village in England and kill the real bad guys.
>>719109346He knew Maelle wasn't going to leave if she stayed, like fuck if she put more emphasis on their lives than her happiness he probably would have listened earlier.
>>719109505She was right in that the second she left daddy dearest would burn it to the ground.
>>719109651Because he's based as fuck.
>>719109728Based on a retard from the writer's life, indeed.
>>719109991Sometimes you need to flush the addict's heroin
>>719110051And sometimes you need to put the old man in his place.
>>719110174Kek, angry your dad won't call you by your tranny name?
>>719109651And he was right that she was just gonna be unwilling to ever come out of her own volition.
>>719109651Also, he didn't. Verso did.
>>719110294Hmm, nope, just recounting exactly what happens in the game. Right there. See?
>>719110424That's actually ambiguous, Verso was gommaging when he distracted the kid because it was a part of him. The others in there gommage because they were in a part of the painting they were not supposed to be, Lune does not enter and sits on the other side of the portal with that angry glare still alive and they never show anything else gommaging.What I think they were going for was leaving it vague/"clair obscure" for a potential sequel.
>>719110962Bro Verso is gone. There's no one painting. Everything dissolves. Clea tells Maelle she needs to destroy the canvas by stopping the last piece of Verso's soul from painting. There's actually very little speculation here. It's pretty reasonable to assume the painted world just stops existing if its' painter stops.
>>719110962>sequel is Lune desperate to find somebody to repopulate the painting with
>>719094265A japs opinion on this game is worth dogshit. They're collectively in a state of seethe and embarrassment that none of their jrpg devs have been able to tell a story close to as good as this one in over 20 years.
>>719110739>I can't wait to kill myself and enslave my brother's soul
>>719112510>while my father allows me to do it, too!
>>719094265Japanese have been shit at story telling in games for the last decade.If it were up to the Japanese it would turn out Verso was adopted and never died, then right before they get to the paintress they get kicked out of the painting with Verso still being the main character with a Harem, then it would turn out the writers are the christian god and they have to go fight him.
>>719087698>non-psychoYes, she is sociopathic instead.
>>719054565Verso was almost a retard
>>719081148If she maintains her hygiene, I wouldn't have a problem with her facial scars. There are so many unfaithful and self-righteous women out there that it's really not a problem.
Can we talk a bit about the Gestrals? What are some of your interpretations about them, and some other curious/weird aspects such as the connection with the village and the kitchen and the whole chief/chef thing? That Gestral with the cake on the secret protion of the manor's kicteh is weird too, what's going on there? It's the same cake that appears on Alice's dream.Also Golgra as a pretty distinct character. How did she came to be, even Verso seems puzzled about how she got so strong.
>>719081148You are out of your fucking mind if you think there wouldn't be people willing to be around her or guys interested in her because of her scars and lack of voice. I suspect most of you know this and deliberate play dumb for the sake of making your dumbass argument. She is clearly still an attractive girl of a well off family. Fuck outta here with this dishonest bullshit.
>>719115232I don't think there's much to the gestrals for the most part. Like the grandis they're probably nothing much more than imaginary creatures thought up by Verso as a child.The manor, on the other hand, seems like an enigma. Besides the odd things in the manor like the gestral you mentioned or the Clairs/Obscurs you can see in some of the windows, the weirder part is what is it really?The manor in Old Lumiere is likely the manor Verso intended to be his home when he painted the canvas, yet there's an identical but different manor at the top of White Sands along with the manor whose doors you find scattered around the world.
>>719115232Isn't obvious that it represents the paintbrushes? I dunno if it's related to "wanting to fight" but maybe its the struggle Verso has with painting. Though I won't defend that idea to harshly, I think it's a videogamey thing.
>>719116968Verso has probably painted his childhood home many times.
Is there a way to open that giant red wall that’s blocked by paintings in the Endless Tower?
>>719117295Probably Clea dlc.
I think the game downplayed how excruciatingly painful Alicia's wounds would really be. She says it hurts to even breath - drinking or eating would be worse than torture. The fact that she even survived with year 1900 something medicine is straight up miraculous. She would have been bedridden for years immediately after the fire
>>719118004She seems to be weathering them fine, and her interactions with Clea show that she can still communicate. All she needs is to get married off to some open minded suitor and she’s set.It really feels like most of her suffering stems from insecurity over her appearance, which is something people witty severe scars often feel, but usually manage to overcome.
>>719075412Yeah. I know later in the game the soundtrack relies a bit more on "epic" tracks, which is fine and fitting for the direction the story went, but those early boss tracks like for Goblu, Ultimate Sakapatate and Francois are insane and still some of my favorites in the OST
>>719118004True. If the game truly wanted to be ambiguous in both of it's endings, they should've have her wake up the day on the funeral and show exactly how miserable her life is. But the epilogue is named "A life to life to love", which completely contradicts this. Then Again, Maelle coulve been liying and making it worse that it was. For me, her pain is the added fluff to her argument, the reality is just that she just couldn't live with he weight of her brother sacrificing his life.
>>719118587It’s very obvious that the game is biased towards the Verso ending. Letting go of the past and accepting death as a natural part of life are common themes in the game. The Maelle ending simply reinforces why the Verso ending is the right call.
>>719115232>>719116968>>719117089The more interesting angles to me that I have been focusing more on during my latest playthroughs is how much Monocco is written as a doglike character. From the first encounter I feel like the "we need to fight him first to calm him down", while clearly also a Gestral thing in universe, can also be read as when you meet a dog who knows you but hasn't seen you in a long time and it takes a while of "playfighting" with him before he settles down. And I feel like there's also something I haven't quite put my finger on about the feet collecting thing and the irrational fear of stalacts.There's also the haircut relationship level that's clearly a "taking the dog to the trimmer" metaphor.I'm sure some or most of these aren't intentional but I like that they sort of work at least for me.>>719118383c'mon now, I'm probably the biggest Maelle hater around but even I think you're downplaying her situation a bit. Clearly the game states that she's in some amount of non-trivial pain just during her normal life. But the point is that escaping into a fake world and pretend nothing happened is no way of dealing with it. Everyone at some point sooner or later will have to deal with some sort of chronic malady, either physical or psychological, and that's just life. Her brother literally died so she could have that life. Wasting it away because it's painful seems like an insult to his sacrifice.
>>719119120Well that's because Monoco specifically is based on Verso's childhood dog, who in turn was based on Sandfall's studio dog. That's exclusive to Monoco and not gestrals in general as far as I know
>>719119120The feet I've always looked at as an allegory for sticks or bones or whatever else dogs collect. The fear maybe because his bark is louder than his bite?
>>719119318Yeah I know, that's why I've been trying to look out for that in particular. I'm not sure how much of it is me TRYING to see it but he seems more and more doglike the more I focus on him.>>719119887>The feet I've always looked at as an allegory for sticks or bones or whatever else dogs collect.Yeah, there's something there. I can't quite articulate it but both the feet thing and the stalact fear seem very dog like to me somehow.
>>719057119Even more funny that he intentionally fills the void Gustave left only for him to be used for Alicia's whims instead of Aline
How did Gustave and Simon lost their left arm?
>>719094391Wasn't that so Simon could pass the barrier to get to Aline?
>>719117089Yeah, I've heard as much too and can definitely see that sort of interpretation. Another thing that goes along with it is the river where they reincarnate without their memories, which would be like cleaning the paintbrush out of the color it was dyed with previously. It's a cool way to look at it, but I will offer one or more alternative ones in a sec.>>719116968>I don't think there's much to the gestrals for the most part. Like the grandis they're probably nothing much more than imaginary creatures thought up by Verso as a child.Man, I feel like there's so much going on with them. Like, the name itself 'Gestral' seems to come from gesturing art in general or the usage of gesturing wooden models in the aid of learning character expression, posing or a sense of movement in art. In the context of Verso's canvas, I think they are essentially models, vessels to express a number of ideas, concepts and even people or things he knew. His beloved dog for one, perhaps even the people who were the chef/cookers in the family's kitchen or even other servants who were working in the manor (maybe Golgra was a chief cook and that's why Monoco is so afraid of her)?>>719119120Right, yeah Monoco is quite explicitly Verso's or the family's dog as we come to know. I was reading some people's takes and given Monoco's character and the whole 'play/fight' metaphor, some have come to extend that interpretation to all Gestrals we find even, thinking of them as dogs much like Monoco. As funny and tempting as such a reading sounds like for the Gestrals, I feel like they may be vessels for a number of things essentially. Maelle or Gustave remark about how they sound a lot like kids. On a meta-level they're clearly a vehicle the devs use to convey humour in the game.I have an idea about them possibly representing to some degree France's past too (Gauls, old Celtic tribes) which I may ellaborate further if curious.
>>719119887>>719120191Oh, an idea I read that makes some sense and is at least funny to entertain about that too, given that Clea likes sculpting and we even see some of her Nevron sculptures in the manor, is that the reason she gives every Nevron pointy feet may be due to Monoco gnawing on her creations and ruining their feet most of the time, so she doesn't bother giving them much more than a pointy feet.I will actually see if I can find clues or hints to support that in my next playthrough, but that's fun enough as my headcanon for now.
>>719121481>some have come to extend that interpretation to all Gestrals we find evenYeah I also started doing that inadvertently after focusing on Monoco which led to extending to Noco and then the Gestrals almost subconsciously. It somewhat falls apart but you can make it work somewhat. >Maelle or Gustave remark about how they sound a lot like kids.Right, which is not entirely incompatible with the dog comparison since dogs and kids can share a lot in terms of general traits (honesty, simplicity, bluntness, innocence, etc...)>I have an idea about them possibly representing to some degree France's past too (Gauls, old Celtic tribes) There may be something to that. I never thought of that. I guess the abundance of red in them is the first thing that comes to mind, but what were thinking of with that? (although, to be fair, I doubt any potential parallel to ancestral French tribes was in any way intentional on the dev's part)
>>719122139This is exactly the sort of autistic headcanon I fuck with. This is 100% canon in my mind now.
>>719122467>Right, which is not entirely incompatible with the dog comparison since dogs and kids Yeah I do tend to agree too, it's quite comparable.Well, the two most clear words or elements presented in the game related to that are the name Maelle, which is of Brittonic, Welsh Celtic origins (the modern and the old form of the Irish family name O'Malley might be related to that too), and the tangential mention of Excalibur at the Gestral village itself. The Gestrals have one or more sanctuaries, one before reaching the village itself, which may be compared to the 'Nemeton', the sacred groves of worship practiced by the Gauls and other Celtic people. I feel there's a distinct worshipful vibe in the sacred river and the Ancient Night Sanctuary. Another element which is not unique to the Celts but very much characterized their beliefs and consciousness was the belief in reincarnation. Julius Caesar in his commentary tells of the faith which was imbued on their warriors by their religious class, the Druids, of this afterlife which strenghtened their conviction and made them fight fervently. The depiction of Celtic people as brave fighters is attested in both greek and roman writing, and made into sculpture by the roman copy of an older greek marble piece, 'The dying Gaul', which captures with stoic dignity the last moments of a great warrior.The reincarnation river is something I think can be connected to some degree too. A lot of the rivers in France bear names of goddesses, such as the Sein, and the Mairne. The last meaning the 'Matron', a reference to Dea Matrona, the Matron goddess. It's interesting that Golgra is not only the chief, the matron of the Gestral village, which does have a very mythological Celtic vibe such as in the 'Tuatha de Dannan' (people of the goddess Danu) or the welsh Plant Don (another family descenced from a matronic figure), but she also oversees the reincarnation queue or process in the river.
>>719125314I can see it. The comparison definitely seems more like an academic exercise than genuine artistic analysis, but it's kind of cool.
>>719122467>although, to be fair, I doubt any potential parallel to ancestral French tribes was in any way intentional on the dev's part)I started to go through some of the dev team's interviews after beating the game and I will be on the look out for any hints or clues about that myself. I heard also that some words that Lorien used to compose his fictitious language in some parts of the OST (he says he used 3 languages for it, French primarily, english and a fictitious one) were celtic.Guillaume says that a lot of the influence of the game comes from Paris, clearly seen through Lumiere. The old roman name for Paris, Lutetia Parisiorum, or Lutetia of the Parisii, gives away also the origin of the modern name of the city itself, coming from the old tribe of the Parisii. So digging just a little we can get a sense of an older past which is hard to divorce from.Perhaps to some degree, the Gestrals also serve to embody a distant ancient past which is cultural to the characters and/or the setting. Just an idea anyway.
