>announce that you completely scrapped gacha and the stamina system from your game two months before launchWell, /v/, we lived to see chinks officially become based. Never thought it would happen but here we are.Now anime Warframe is truly anime Warframe.
>HERO games>saves the chinese vidya industry from gachashitlike pottery
>reposting same thread with the same imageThis is intern shill marketing thread
>>719099019more gacha games need to do this honestly
>Free to Unlock!>Just Purchase the Keys!>Or Gamble the Chance!
I'm fully expecting the grind process to unlock a single character to take so long, you're better off just purchasing it directly.
>PC via EGSPlease tell me this game has it own launcher, I fucking hate using the Epic game store
took a look at the website and the designs look like the typical genshit philosophy, disappointing
>>719099019So, how will they make money if the only content worth anything is free?
>>719099485There's no gambling. Do you just wake up in the morning and decide to be retarded? They removed the gacha. Everything is farmable without limit.
>>719099601Like the countless non-gachashit live service games out there. God, I fucking hate gachazoomers.
>>719099601Cosmetics. Also as >>719099539 said, if it takes whole weeks to unlock a single character, whales will just purchase them instead.
>>719099406Is what op is saying true though? Or are there other still monetizations that are inherently against the consumer
>>719099685>Like the countless non-gachashit live service games out there. So they just tank the loss and close doors?
>>719099610>Everything is farmable without limit.Target farmable on top of that, actually better than warframe lmao.
>>719099610>Everything is farmable without limit.>EverythingDo you got a single fact to back this up?
Total gacha death, hopefully more devs will follow suit.
>>719099734>unlock characters/weapons by obtaining shards>said shards can be freely farmed without limit>they are also purchasable through the shop>if grinding is too much you can supplement your farming with any amount of shards from the shop>there will also be a lot of cosmetics
>>719099850https://www.youtube.com/live/ice4zfPZvPk?si=d1e5DYlRt8ewVxI_
>>719099019Hero shooters are gachas
>>719099941>if grinding is too muchtime isnt free
>>719099916It just really looks like sealed commission letters are obtained from daily and weekly commissionsWhile I understand that these are free™, I don't understand how you figure they can be farmed without limit
>>719100036Yes, I'm sure your time is very, very valuable. That's why you're wasting your days by shitposting on /v/.
>>719100036Then why are you here, Moshe? Shouldn't you be out there, on the hustle, making money?
>>719099981Do you have a timestamp for where in this video they are explicit about EVERYTHING being farmable without limit?
>>719100080My assumption is that anons correlate the removal of stamina system with "infinite grinding time/attempts". Which I hardly believe it will be the case.
>>719100036yours clearly is because you're wasting it here, just like everybody else
>>719099019Okay thats it I am jumping ship from wuwa fuck those greedy hoyo copiers
>>719100080"Daily" and "weekly" there doesn't mean it's limited by the day/week. "Commissions" in this game are what the stages are called. Like in Warframe when you pick if you want to do an escort mission or annihilation or defense or whatever. Weekly commissions are just special stages that are rotated on a weekly basis. There's no limit on how much you can grind.
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>>719099019This is gonna kill TFD
>>719100163They explicitly state that, yes, no I won't spoon feed your lazy, nigger ass. If you can't be arsed to watch it you clearly don't care about the game and just want to shitpost for attention.
>>719099019I don't like how much it looks like genshin.
>>719099019NOW I am interestedBut the most important part of gacha are characters. show me your best
>>719099019still not gonna play chinkslop
fine i'll play your game chink shill
>here is your weekly try for 3-5 character tokens>you need 5000 tokens to unlock btw :v)
>>719100848For the millionth time, there's no limit on grinding. :^)
>>719101028Can you grind for dupes too? that would be amazing
>check the usual place>gachafags are seething because the dev remove the gacha systemWTF is wrong with them, they also said no gacha=no revenue, do these people never play game beside gacha, CS,Dota,Fornite and etc. revenue come from cosmetic.
>>719101341Yes, you can though I'd have expected them to flat out remove the dupe system.
>>7191001153 seconds to post thatbut im sure grinding a gacha unlock is on the same time scale
>>719101341I don't remember them mentioning dupes. I'd guess dupes are no longer a thing without gacha.
>>719101028I'm really not hearing them explicitly say that you can grind out the 'secret letter' resource indefinitely. It's kinda vague, that you can farm indefinitely (if you already got secret letters?) are you entirely sure they are not gated behind dailies?
>>719101430>they also said no gacha=no revenue, do these people never play game beside gacha, CS,Dota,Fornite and etc. revenue come from cosmetic.Comparing some nobody chink game with the established biggest earners in the industry is not only naive but flat out retarded. Expecting ANY new game to be able to match the income sources of these games is even stupider. Yes, they make their money off cosmetics. No, that doesn't mean anyone can do it.>>719101475https://www.youtube.com/live/ice4zfPZvPk?feature=shared&t=2453Intron=dupe.
>>719101784>https://www.youtube.com/live/ice4zfPZvPk?feature=shared&t=2453Ah, ok, I missed that part. Interesting that they are keeping the dupe system despite removing the gacha but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really make a difference.
>>719101430gachapagjeets only play gachasloppathey cannot fathom the idea of a game that doesn't force them to paypig for the charactersyou should check out pokemon unite's communityit's filled with retards slurping up the predatory monetization because they've only played pokeslop, they don't know all the heroes are free in dota
>>719101784So can you grind the dupes too?I am excited for a quality AAA anime game that doesnt need to rely on modders for skins. Its actually ridiculous how slowly skins are dripfed in the biggest gacha
>>719099019Another great thing about this is that we are now guaranteed sexy fanservice skins since cosmetics will be a big part of their revenue. They already shilled a bikini skin in the launch announcement stream and I imagine the skins are only gonna get sultrier and sultrier.
>>719102476>So can you grind the dupes too?Literally just open the youtube link. It's timestamped. Yes, you can max the dupes out without spending money.
>>719102586holy shit why did I waste my money on other gacha before this kamigecurious what the other high profile gacha releases (endfield, promilia, NTE, ananta) are going to do in response
>>719102679Thanks bro Im phoneposting so usually dont open links until I get home. It looks like weapons will be grindable too?
During the livestream the main dev said>Don't worry about the grind being too much if you want every character>The battle assist AI will make farming light and stress-free>So you can farm while watching a series or listening to an audiobookI interpret that as>Yeah, you'll need to grind a ton to get every character but the grind will be comfy
>>719102586bikinis are boring as fuckbasic bitch coomer shit
>>719103019ill grind every character while watching asmongold videosi will be living the life
>>719101448>comes back to the thread 15 mins later>thinks he isn't proving the point
>>719103019How much is it to just unlock the character outright? I think most low to medium spenders wouldnt mind paying an upfront fee of say $50 for the character then grinding out the dupes for the rest of the patch.
It's just not 100% clear to me at all from watching the video, that you can grind out characters forever without being time gatedYes, you can grind the dungeon indefinitely, for some kind of drops, but are those the character recruit materials? Yes, the characters are 'free', but are they tied to some kind of daily to limit how many characters/dupes you can grind?
>>719099019Really sad that gacha is dying out. Is part of my childhood. Some of my fondest school memories is getting together with the bros in the cafeteria, do pulls together and react to our luck. God I miss those days. RIP dave, I miss you bro.
>>719102896Yes weapons are grindable too though that's been a thing even when the game was a gacha, the weapon banner was there basically to circumvent the grind.
>>719103567Now imagine if you formed those memories around non-predatory practices
>>719102896Yes, everything is fully grindable without limits.
>>719103184 Summer skins are the barometer by which you can gauge if a game is worth investing into. If a game sells you a swimsuit skin that is a swimsuit in name only, that game is not worth your investment.
>remove gachaGamers: Woah based rare bussin>100 hour of farming for 1 character insteasdYall niggas retarded.
>>719103375>assuming they're the same anonsmaybe you were projecting on how your time isn't valued at all
billion dollar idea: custom order luno
>>719103504Logically speaking, as a company you shouldnt ever let high spenders feel stupid compared to f2p nolife grinders. So there has to be significant timegating to the point where f2p will basically have to choose one or two characters per year to max for free or else you will have to settle for grinding 1 copy of each character per year. If 12 new characters release then you're already behind 10 maxxed characters compared to whales which makes sense and is acceptable to paying customers.
>>719103208Maybe I'll finally understand those players who hop into Destiny, Warframe, etc. every night for a good grind sesh>>719103440>How much is it to just unlock the character outright?No clue, and that can be trickyIf you take a generous gacha as example a character would cost on average $50 but then that price could be as little as $25 or as much as $100 depending on if you got your premium currency from accumulating the monthly pass or just bought everything on the same dayAlso, with gachas you never think of a character costing X amount of dollar since you don't just get one character from pulling, you also get a bunch of other stuffI think if DNA's character cost more than $20 per copy then there will be backlash, even if that's WAY cheaper than similar competitors that use gacha
>>719103567the absolute statewinning multiplayer games together in LAN or finishing raids together is 100x better than reacting to gacha pulls
>anime warframe picks up warframe's modelnot that surprising but I appreciate it
It's truly fascinating watching gachamonkeys struggle with the concept of games with fair monetization that aren't centred around creating a "haves and have nots" ecosystem to encourage a tiny portion of extremely high spenders to invest ridiculous amounts of money into their product as a status symbol and instead relies on a steady revenue stream from a large portion of people.
>>719103694They didn't say that there was no limits on anything. They talked about daily missions. Even if *I* think that would be cool, and even novel in these kind of gamesI seeeriously don't expect for this game to be like, uh.. Diablo, where you can just grind forever for anything I expect that you'll be able to get characters by doing daily missions. But you'll eventually have to make some kind of choice between characters or dupes, that you can't just grind FOREVER Maybe you can grind items forever, but I'd be very very surprised if this includes everything The video is just not explicit enough on this stuff, if that's all we have to go on. I just think you're setting yourself up for some disappointment. (I'd be very happy if I'm proven wrong, btw. It does really sound like something I'll like)
>>719103504>you can grind out characters forever without being time gatedThis is what they heavily implied in the video several times but nobody can say exactly how it works since no one has played the game yet we'll know once the next test server starts.
>>719103958They will need to have an extremely tight control on botting because that will be the highest priority for f2p to game the system.
>>719104201>whining at the voidWho exactly in this thread do you think are confused by this?
>>719103958>players who hop into DestinyBecause they're faggot bungie dick suckers that will play a shit game because>uh um uh, they made halo dood>warframeBecause the core run and shoot gameplay was good enough to carry the game through all of DE's constant half baked ideas and fuck ups. From the little I played of CBT2, DNA has neither. However, now that it's basically no longer a gacha, it has all the room in the world to improve over time, and the FOMO is going to be a lot less.
>>719103567I would have called you underage but even if you were 13 when Genshin came out, you would be exactly 18 now and I hate it so fucking much
>>719103675Entertainment as a whole is predatory bro. All companies want you to keep buyingand try to manipulate you in ways you never notice but at the end of the day it's you who decide to give them money or not. I am a zoomer who grew up in gacha but I've spent less than $100 total across all games I played because of self control. Gambling is everywhere. My father made fun of me for playing gachas but he spent thousands of hours playing old ass mmos grinding for rare mount drops and cosmetic roulettes. All the same shit.
>>719104271>heavily impliedWhich is why I'm skeptical, right? Guy could have made it VERY clear if he wanted to
>>719099818what do you mean? in warframe you can choose what you farm no?
>FOMOOh right. That was something the video was pretty clear on. That characters will permanently show up in the shopThat's new for these kind of games
>>719104549Last time I played, no, you couldn't, relics had random rewards and I'm pretty sure nothing changed. Also farming Equinox was quite something back in the day.
>>719104376Your posts kinda read like satire. But then again, I am old enough to have a son that is 18+, so it's not like it can't be true
>>719104229Total gachanigger annihilation. Kill every gachanigger. Torture them to death and feed them to dogs.
>>719099019Gacha already killed freemium shit by being a better system. This is the equivalent of going back to horse carriages because cars kind of sucked the last couple years.I'm calling it, this shit will be awful.
What I remember about Warframe, is the insane shop that rotated it's inventory and only was available for limited time periods I had just started playing the game, and been going HEAVY for like a monthI got kinda miffed, when it was unknown when my desired item would show up again, and the estimated timeframe was like 4+ months (obviously I could get it from trading players, but the system was janky)
>>719104921Damn nigga you old
>>719099019The problem is that I very much doubt it will have Warframe levels of grind. Grinding for a new frame tends to take like two hours nowadays since everything releases with its own safety net systems. This is a chink game. I doubt it will be anywhere remotely as generous.
>>719104749Yes, the dungeons are free, they don't cost stamina. But can you repeat the missions that reward characters FOREVER? (or are they daily missions?)He doesn't go into enough detail.
>>719104760>by being a better system.Lolno>>719104921Yeah that kinda sucked but it was a side-shop that barely mattered until you were already in ""endgame"" I think
>>719104229It 100% has to be time gated. I expect incentives like a paid battle pass to greatly reduce the grind for low spenders. Whales can max out a new character in a day. That way paying customers can skip the grind conpletely or reduce it to like a week then they can go play other games until the next new character. Meanwhile f2p will have to grind nonstop. This is the only way it makes sense unless they are really only making all their money from paid skins.
>>719105061NTA but upgrade dungeons being free and unlimited would be so nice. Tired of waiting for resets or stamina when I want to build my character NOW
>>719104921I had the same experienceI especially remember wanting to buy a new frame but all of them being ridiculously expensive, then realizing grinding a frame F2P took literal monthsI ended up remaining playing for like 5 weeks and then dropping the gameI really hope DNA lets you get a new character or two when you first start out
>>719105429But if you build the character in a day then you have no more content.
>>719099406Those interns should make sure the game is playable on linux.Hear me interns??
>>719105486If future patches look good enough then I will come back to play, whether or not Im forced to do dailies. Its why I spend the equivalent amount in poe2 and gacha, except only one genre is obsessed with artificial daily engagement
>>719105061Holy shit you are SO fucking DESPERATE for this to fail that you refuse to fucking read. Missions DON'T reward characters. You grind SHARDS and you can grind them FREELY which then you use to unlock characters.
>>719105720Grind Free.No grind is free.Be free, without grind.Whats so hard to understand?
>>719099685You mean those services that constantly have 0 pressure to actually update their game because they can just coast on low effort cosmetics forever?
>>719105720What's the difference between a Daily Commission and a Dungeon?
>>719104661??? But relic had set in stone rewards just choose the one with rewards you wantm everything in warframe is target farmable
>>719105138>LolnololyesIn a gacha you roll the same shit whales do, everyone gets the exact same level of quality, free players just can't afford everything and have to chose what they want (sub 100 IQs can't handle this, get scammed, and cry about it)In a non-gacha everything is segregated into dogshit (free), and actual good content (paid, not reasonably attainable through any other means) and you're going to be the nigger slave in this arrangementDefending the worst fucking dogshit to dunk on gachas is my favorite zoomer meme. You fags are legit clueless how bad F2P shit can get
I always thought gachamonkeys merely tolerated gacha because the games gave them tits but their minds are actually broken and think gacha is good and consumer-friendly.
>>719106551lil homie, why do you keep making this post?
>>719106168They're just replacing the gacha with grinding. Instead of playing 10 minutes a day to get enough currency to roll for a character, instead you'll grind 5 hours a day to get the shards to make a character. The advantage of these gacha games in the first place was that you didn't need to grind, but now they're directly abandoning this advantage and moving on to competing with live service games. But the market is already completely saturated with live service slop, so what exactly will be this game's selling point? Can it compete against Warframe or even The First Descendant in the gameplay department?The only future I see for this game is it dying faster than Black Beacon.
>>719103783>takes offense on behalf of "them" shut up faggot, tripling down just shows how hypocritical you are
>>719099019saar do not unredeem the gacha system
>>719106682nta but it all depends on the skins and probably sellable interactive scenes like snowbreak/gfl2also the grind will probably require you to manually restart some autobattle thing for hours
>exact same posts and exact same way of speaking>it's literally the same minbroken nigger spamming as in the last threadIt's been hours and he's STILL at it. This gachatard was really broken by this. Absolutely fucking delicious.
>>719106682>The only future I see for this game is it dying faster than Black Beacon.The devs see it too, that's why they're trying to pull some big radical move to get attention and cash out as fast as possible.
>>719106682Except here there's no FOMO where you have to play on the game's time to get all the gems before the events close and the banner ends, missing out on the character until their rerun. I would much rather have the freedom to play when I want for however long I want. If that means extra grind, fine.
>>719106682Rather than rely on a bunch of skinner box techniques to carry their game, they've decided the gameplay is a strong enough selling pointIf the gameplay sucks then sure, the game will flopIf the gameplay is good then this might be a historic release
Since Snowbreak killed all nude mods this week I'll give this one a chance>fagsSeems like I can avoid all of them, good
>>719107095>they're trying to pull some big radical move to get attention and cash out as fast as possibleIf they were looking for a quick pump and dump, they wouldn't have dropped the gacha to focus on skins.
>>719105483>I especially remember wanting to buy a new frame but all of them being ridiculously expensive, then realizing grinding a frame F2P took literal monthsYou especially remember something completely wrong?
>>719107285qrd?
>>719107372Apparently snowbreak killed nude mods.
>>719107372Basically what I said,the new update killed all 3d mods, nudes etc and no fix in sight, first time this happened to this extent
New gacha games usually showers players with "gibs"So they can get hype and try to roll the on-banner limited characterThere's just gonna be none of that? So weird.
>>719100163They stated it probably like 10 times anon, if you can't even find it you are just a retard.You pay for cosmetics so that the game doesn't EOS, thats the deal.
>>719107305That was ages ago, they probably fixed that stuff sinceThe Frame I wanted was the Prime version of the woman-looking frame with telekinesis powersI recall her costing $70 in the cash shopGetting her F2P involved tons of grinding and building parts in your spaceship that each took multiple days to complete
>>719107178>I would much rather have the freedom to play when I want for however long I wantYou will have LESS freedom, not moreThe limitations gachas impose are very mild, but you throw a tantrum, and instead go for a thing that, unlike gachas, actually will bar you from playing unless you do X hours of grinding.You're brown and stupid.>>719107287They dropped the gacha because they know their art/combat/characters are extremely low quality, and lots of similar low-budget gachas died recently. It's a textbook desperation move.
>>719099019Fine... fine... I will try your chinkslop. I'm still fully expecting it to be slop tho.
>>719106913It's utterly impossible to monetize on cosmetics. To make money purely off cosmetics you need either of two things: a very large playerbase in a game with significant social elements, or a very dedicated playerbase that is 100% pandered to.Dota, Delta Force, LoL, Counter-Strike, these games can make money off skins alone due to the huge playerbase and PvP elements allowing you to show off what you have; Snowbreak and Azur Lane can make money off skins because they have a very specific ML target audience that buys things because they love the characters.This game has neither, so I'm quite curious how they plan to do it. Even going full coom First Descendant is barely surviving, and that's a heavily multiplayer game.
>>719108006>>719108061This gachanigger has literally been spamming for hours btw. He's some obsessed chinkoid or SEAmonkey that is doing the exact same thing on /vmg/.
>>719107660They say that there is no stamina, and they say that characters are obtainable for free (unless you buy them through direct purchase)They say that character are obtained by purchasing them with character shards, that are obtained from sealed commission letters, that are obtained from daily commissions by doing dungeons. (all of which are indeed, free, and don't cost stamina)This is all entirely compatible, with daily commissions, being - daily
>>719108006Agree to disagree. We'll see where the game is at at the start of next year.
>>719106682If it does fail it would be because they couldn't make good enough character models/skins, but otherwise its basically easily claiming an untapped market. There are tons of people who want games like warframe but with anime aesthetics.
>>719108006>They dropped the gacha because they know their art/combat/characters are extremely low qualityI don't know about low quality but it does look derivative. Wish I could play the beta to see for myself..
>>719108061>Even going full coom First Descendant is barely surviving, and that's a heavily multiplayer game.To be fair, that shit has nothing going for it, its art style can be summarized as "UE5 assets". At least this is going for something different. If it'll work remains to be seen.
>>719108387>at at the start of next year.lmao, good luck with that
>>719102586Not so fast
>>719108639which one is from CBT2
>>719108173Regardless of his intention he's not really wrong is he, you seem to severely underestimate how much gacha games make they literally print money, using the useless monthly gacha revenue list as an example Wizardry Daphne who's ranked really low there usually at a measly 3m saved their entire company from bankruptcy..These devs took a gamble when removing the gacha, it the games good it might do okay but they would've made more as a gacha, if it's shit it'll eos in no time at all and they should've kept it as a gacha so they'd at least make some money.
>>719106682>you actually have to play the gamethis is why gacha faggots arent recognized as gamersyou fags just want to pop in for 5mins to do your dailys and fuck offI WANT TO PLAY A FUCKING GAME
>>719108639Sideboob and armpit censorship is the most vile and unfair form of censorship
post the gameplay
this the warframe clone?
>>719109407It's Warframe. If you want to see it feel free to look up the game on youtube.
>>719110413Is Warframe with anime lolis. Nobody asked for this.
>>719103741>NOOOOOOOOOO I'M A GAMER DAD I DON'T HAVE TIME TO PLAY VIDEOGAMES WITH MY 3 JOBS WHILE TAKING CARE OF MY WIFE'S 5 CHILDREN YOU NEED TO CATER TO ME PLAYING 1 HOUR A WEEK AND LET ME BUY EVERYTHING WITH MY CREDIT CARD
>>719110765This shit has lolis? Let's see them.
>>719111443I don't know which side you're mocking.
>>719099916Do you still have to get dupes to unlock the character's full power?
>>719099610So instead of chink gachashit its now gook mmoshitnexxxt
>>719111585https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SYDN3P0rpkAt least they arent sexual so it wont attract the perverts. We are safe.
But is it a good game though? Doesn't matter if they get rid of gacha and stamina if the game's boring as shit.
>>719111585dedicated loli race called lunos, posted above.theres a couple playable lolis, and 1 shota as well,
>>719112241I only played the CBT2 and liked the combat and exploration. Modding system is like Warframe. Can alter your skills.
>>719099019>flopsLOL
>>719111859>>719112285A game with lolis and no gacha system so I don't have to worry about fags spooking me? Alright, I'll give it a try.
>>719103875I haven't played Warframe for a long time but it was never really that deep. New frames would take a few hours to farm and then you would have to wait a few days of crafting time before you could use them. Paying players could just buy them and use them immediately. It was pay to skip the grind and get to use the frames/weapons before free players could get them.Warframe did initially have quite a lot of stuff that was kind of pay to win, but they gradually shifted more and more to the costmetics/convenience model that they have today.I honestly think that these retarded Chinese devs copied Warframe almost 1:1, tried to force gacha mechanics into it, realized it wouldn't fucking work and then backpedalled. Ultimately it's a win because I fucking love grindan games and hate stamina systems, so I now have a fun animeframe game to play, but it's still very funny to me.
post gameplay
>>719106682Damn, what a truly gachabrained post. You could boil you post down to"the advantage of gacha games is that you don't have to actually play a game". If everything is a chore and you don't want to do it, just don't fucking play the game.
>>719108006The limitations put in place by gacha are ABSOLUTE you retarded fucking seamonkey. Currency rates are restricted to an exact amount, your effective playtime is restricted to a set amount per day. There is NO flexibility in gacha games with regards to how you play them. You either log in once a day to do all of your chores to get your pitiful allowance, or you fuck off.Guess what you fucking retard, you can still play this game for 5 minutes per day if you really hate actually playing videogames so much.
>>719099414Is it gacha if its free?
>>719114192Anon... it's a literal schizo that has been at it since the devs announced the change on stream. It spent the entirety of the last thread (which hit bump limit) spamming its nonsense and I watched it recycle all its retarded talking points in this thread. It's pointless to try to reason with that creature.
>>719113374well?
>>719113374>>719114634https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=duet+night+abyss+gameplay
>>719114634open up wide anon https://www.google.com/search?q=duet+night+abyss+gameplay
>>719111859Are you not seeing those armpits...?
>>719115094He's obviously baiting. The lunonaholes are erotic as hell.
>>719115276>>719115094Why are ojisans like this.
>>536721878Can it compete with this?
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>>719099019>scrapped the stamina systemSo I can just fully level up my character in 1 sitting? Or are mats still locked behind a daily/weekly cooldown and they're just not calling it "stamina"
>>719116230>>719116352warframe is nice but I can't come back to it, I'm fully burnt out after playing it for years. And even if I wasn't, I still wouldn't play due to DE's leftist nonsense. They exemplify the libertarian to insufferable lefty pipeline.
>>719114774looks boring
>>719116450Since its like WF and TDF now, character parts, materials will have low drop chance and crafting has time gates. Unless you pay to accelerate, it will take you 3+ days to unlock and max someone.
>>719116661>They exemplify the libertarian to insufferable lefty pipelinewhat
>>719099916>do dailies/weeklies>shards of random characters randomly drop (limited amount per day/week, no way to farm)>you need to collect a whole bunch randomly to get a character>or just BUY it PAY WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD AND BUYImpressive. A system that's actually worse than gacha. Very cool
>>719100395I opened the transcript and I don't see a single use of the word farm, farmable, or limit. I am assuming at this point you're an actually shill who works for this company unless you do otherwise
>719116962Poor bait. Don't even try again.
>>719114192>Currency rates are restricted to an exact amountWait until this dude discovers there's only 24 hours in a day
>>719099916>>719116962Isnt this just that one star wars game people were memeing about where devs said "EVERYTHING IS EARNED FREELY!" And someone actually checked and it'd take 2weeks of nonstop playing to get darf vador?
>>719116902So the same exact thing as you would have in games with stamina. In modern gachas only grind is stamina gated. They don't gate quests with stamina
>>719109257what about grubbers tho, they have to play the game a lot for evokers
>>719109257Every gacha has elaborate endgame grandpa, and it's reset every couple of weeks. There's a lot of shit for you to grind if you want to grind like an autismo faggotNot to mention the events
>>719108639I like her design more than most of the characters I've seen.
>>719116962how do I get her guaranteed?You can't Gacha is worseYou have to farm anyways to make characters do decent damage
>>719117062What bait? That's exactly what the image says. Only source of character shards are dailies and weeklies. And the other source is BUYING. Do you think that "direct purchase" means something other than BUYING?
does it have craft timers?
>>719117426>how do I get her guaranteed?She's a 4 star so you can just buy her in store with shards that drop whenever you roll on anyone
>>719109257for me its this
Looks like another Mihoyoslop. Is there some kind of universal chink guidebook that they all take inspiration from for the art style?
>>719116913What do you mean, what, you stupid faggot? It's self explanatory.
>>719117096No is not the same. Battlefront had a low amount of currency you could earn. In these type of games the parts are RNG with high drop chance. Usually takes 1-2 days to get everything and crafting takes 2-3 days unless you fast forward with paid currency for instant crafting.>>719117504>random, randomlyIt has target farming retard.
>>719117096I don't know, is it?
>>719117817read that post again and ask yourself "would I sane person write this?"
>>719114192>your effective playtime is restricted to a set amount per dayThat was true like 10 years ago when stamina actually gated all activities. Now stamina only gates leveling up and you can play the rest of the game as much as you want. You can download ZZZ and play all the content in 1 sitting, you just won't be able to level up your characters fully in 1 sitting. But you'll have enough content to play for like 100 hours without any sleep
How's the gameplay look?
>>719117973I don't even know who I. Sane is, retard.
>>719118010>>719114774>>719114847
>>719118070Yeah you're not sane. Don't reply to me again retard.
>>719118010average chinese open world game you use guns sometimes
>>719117837>It has target farmingThat's alright then. That's basically just gacha, except you cut out the in-between currency and go directly to collecting a character. There's going to be some level of randomization in your farmed drops surely
>>719099019They only did it because the game was sure to EOS otherwise.
>>719109257>actually wanting to be called a gamerHoly fuck you're gay.
>>719099019okay but do they also have big asses? this is VERY important to beat warframe
>>719111859>At least they arent sexual so it wont attract the perverts.just like blue archive!oh wait...
>>719109257Then fucking play Warframe or the First Descent?
You know the gameplay is kino when you cant see wtf is happening. Day 1 download.
>>719117504Exactly like I said >>719105186You HAVE to time gate this or you might as well get rid of the grind completely and hand out the characters for free
>>719099019gotta be a catch somewhe>EGS
>>719118430And anti-gachafags were so cocky saying they'll play this because it has no dailies LMAOIronically enough dailies are optional in actual gachas because you can get roll currency in other ways. But not in this game LMAO
>>719118503>Steam removes loli>Timmy allows loliWhich side are you on?
>>719118503at this point I'm convinced you people are falseflagging to bait 'um ackshually it has a standalone launcher' posts.
>>719118535>are optional in actual gachas because you can get roll currency in other ways.you mean spending money
>>719118503actually, it has a standalone launcher :)
>>719106682>Instead of playing 10 minutes a day to get enough currency to roll for a character10 minutes a day for 3 months
so its just an MMO is what I'm getting?
>>719099019>scrapped gachaHow are they going to make money?
>skip a day in gacha slop>cant get currency>cant summon anymore>skip any day in non gacha>can still get it whenever I want>gachatrannnies want you to believe this is somehow worse
>>719107615arent mods client side? how do you kill that? FFXIV couldnt even figure it out so they DMCA'd the creators instead
>>719118752how does fortnite make money?
>>719099019> completely scrapped gacha and the stamina system from your game two months before launchdidnt Tower of Fantasy do that first?
The ui is too similar to other gamesIt triggers my autism
>>719106682>dude just log in every single day, play every event, dont miss anything, repeat for months and be le hecking smart with your currency and you can get any characterOr I can just not fucking do that and still get them in a single day because free grinding is better.
>>719118656No you get roll currency from everything Genshin/ZZZ/Wuwa/HSR. Main quest, side quest, exploration rewards, events, endgame. Literally everything drops it, you can log in twice a month and you'll still get most of the F2P rolls if you do all the content. But here you ONLY get characters from dailies and weeklies LMAO
>>719101430I thought you were shitposting but this is the most upvoted post on r/gachagaming
>>719118752they'll sell cosmetics and a battlepass. Its literally just chinese warframe but with lolis
>>719118764That's not how it works anon. Here's primo count in Genshin 5.8 for example. Dailies only amount to 2520 out of F2P 12580 primos. Events alone give you almost as much.
>>719103567My childhood was isolation. I had handheld vidya, I had books, and that's it.
>retards actually asking how they are going to make money without gachaHow zoomer infested is this shit hole board now? you think online games didnt exist before Genshin?
I think the biggest advantage of this system is that you can always choose which characters to redeem on your account. No more getting "spooked" by characters you don't want so your account is cluttered by a bunch of random lvl 1 characters you will never build.
so whats the gameplay like? what gacha game does it resemble?
>>719119350anime warframe
>>719118734No it's just repackaging existing gacha dailies as a timegate for character unlocks. You still do dailies and weeklies like in gacha but you don't rely on rng+time to get a character, only time.
>>719119409but my time is money...
>>719119283>online games didnt exist before GenshinThese are single player games though. You can't apply MMO logic to them.
>>719119469>time is moneyEveryone here is over 18 so I thought that was obvious...
>>719119409>you don't rely on rng+time to get a character, only timeExcept the drops from farming are probably going to be randomized so
>>719099685how will they update the game with more content
>>719119285Some gachas already have 100% guarantee banners though. Like Snowbreak. Can't get spooked
>>719119504NTA but we've seen this type of microtransaction in singleplayer games before. This is just the gacha version of it.>here pay $100 to play the new ass creed a week in advance!!>here pay $X to play the new character a week in advance
>>719117426it's not every character, it's a rotation and she's not on the rotation, see https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Paimon%27s_Bargains#Rotation>>719117426>4* (pic related)extremely easy to get on rateup and occasionally there are 4* selectors that include her.>5*most gacha have some form of guarantee with enough currency, so the answer is "save up enough currency to get that guarantee."in genshin, it's 180 rolls not taking into account other mechanics that make it realistically fewer than 180. rolls are usually done in groups of 10, so 18 10pulls.
How do you have a global release stream with no gameplay reels to show?
>>719119790>we've seen this type of microtransaction in singleplayer gamesName those FREE singleplayer games that survived on cosmetics.
>>719119841Why is every hoyoshitter like you on this site so fucking retarded?How do you GUARANTEE a new 4* in genshin? With 1 roll? 10 rolls? The answer is no one fucking knows because if you're unlucky you could dump all the rolls you have and get the other two rate up 4*s over and over instead. Only retards like you think that system is anywhere near equivalent to surgically choosing the character you want in DNA
>>719120339Gachaniggers are conditioned slaves.
>>719120338Why? I don't care if this anime game survives I'm just making observations. Ask the person who you were arguing with I already said NTA
>>719120339>How do you GUARANTEE a new 4* in genshin?The answer is nobody cares because 4 stars are shit and nobody uses them. But if you really desperately want one, you can wait until it's in the shop and buy it there with your star glitter or whatever that's called. Not that anyone does that because nobody wants 4 stars
>>719120475Why did you enter this argument if you don't want to argue about itDownright peculiar behavior
I don’t feel like can mesh Genshin and Warframe’s movement together. Warframe isnt a typical 3rd person action game, the movement is a gimmick in itself. Watching the characters pull of Warframe jumps and slides and then immediately go into the jog animation of Genshin doesn’t feel good. What’ll happen is the level design will suffer, because you’ll never be forced to use the parkour stuff on account of levels being tighter and enemies bunched up.
>>719119841wanting to get a specific 4 star in genshin is huge pain in the ass if youre not lucky.rate ups banners for one are maybe a couple times a year.it might only show up on banners with characters you dont liketheres no guarantee so you can roll 200 times and not get a single copy,even then with 4 stars, you usually want 6 copies or miss out on imporant skills that make it useful.
>>719120485>multiple 4 stars are meta and have been meta since the beginning of the game>multiple 4 stars are deliberately crafted to be BiS supports for newest limited 5*>new 4 stars are deliberately placed in rerun 5* banners instead of new 5* banners>"nobody cares"The more you type the more you just reinforce your own stereotype.
>>719099019What's the catch? There fucking has to be one. Too good to be true.
>>719120556That's how this site functions. Anons can reply to any post and enter any post chain. Welcome to 4chan and lurk more faggot.
>>719120824All of the meta ones are from 1.0. Everyone already has those because you couldn't avoid them early on.>but I don'tWell then I told you what to do what's your problem buddy
i wish 4* dont so shit like wuwa and zzz
>>719120917You can do whatever you want but it won't help you win an argument
>>719120339>>719120459setting aside the answer first off being "if you care that much just pick her from a 4* selector where the odds are 100%",>if your luck is literally in the 0.0000000001th percentile you could theoretically never get hermath time, i know you're allergic but bear with methe probability of p happening after n rolls is 1-(1-p)^ndue to the way the mechanics work, your chance of a 4* in any 10roll on their rateup banner is 1/3, or ~33.3%.let's say you're rolling for the banner's 5* and get reasonably lucky and get them in like 70 rolls, winning the 50-50 and getting a bit of luck with when the 5* procs. simplifying a little bit by grouping 10rollls, the chance of not having gotten your preferred banner 4* by then is 1-(1-(1/3))^7 which is 94.15%. and that's just 70 rolls, which is like nothing especially if you're starting out. go the full 180 and you're in like 99.9%+ territory.so yes, it's "theoretically possible" for what you're saying to happen. it's also possible for lightning to strike you three times in a two minute span when you walk out your door but for some reason you don't seem to worry about that. events with a sufficiently low probability are not worth reasonably accounting for in your everyday life.fyi i haven't even played since the start of natlan and i don't care about the game at all these days.>>719120681the chance by 200 is so absurdly small as to be irrelevant. but yes, i agree the system has some stupidity to it and should be improved.
>>719121038No one knows what the fuck you are talking about lmao
>>719120881you're paying for timegate passes instead of for gacha currency. Drop rates will be so low you'll want to spend money or spend months farming
>>719118407>the gameplay is kino when you cant see wtf is happening.Zoomer genocide when
>>719118407cant see shit worst than wuwa
>>719118407Gun AND claws?FUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARK
>>719120926>All of the meta ones are from 1.0Tell me which version of the game this banner is from. And which 4* character was meta support for the featured 5* at the time of release. You should know since you're being PAID to damage control.
so character farm able but how???
>>719121171>70 rolls for one 4* is nothing>when you need C6 to make it worth usingHoly disingenuous batman!
>>719121665some c0 are goodat most you only need c2
>>719121665the question was "how do i get her" not "how do i c6 her"
>no gachaHave any of you played Warframe? You’re gonna be begging for a gacha system in the end.
>>719121594just b urself :)
They should copy Helldiver's monetization
>>719121734explain how a gacha system like in hoyoslop is better than warframe
>>719121734cute anime people keep me sane
>>719121725You're not fooling anyone
>instead of gambling using money from your 9 to 5 job, we turned the game into a 9 to 5 job! yippe!How is this goodIt's still gonna be a predatory piece of shit in order to make money somehow
>>719121725>eheheh you asked how to get Xiao>not how to make it playablereminder you can't generate energy during ultimate with his skill because C5 (6?) make him have unlimited charge of the skill, something avaible 100 people in the millions of player who rolled for him.
>>719121734you either wish you had a gacha system to make everything easier, or you start ENJOYING the grind like a fucking masochist
>>719121872this was the post i was responding to >>719117426 and you can follow the backlinks, it's only three>how do i get her guaranteedi explained how you can get her guaranteed
>>719099019Oooooo, what is this now?
>>719121734There are currently 0 live service non-gacha ANIME games.Warframe was fun but I was too late to the party..
>>719121734I've never played Warframe.As long as I don't get obnoxious dailies and won't rely on insane luck, the game is good in my books and deserves the title of a real game instead of a gacha. I want to play for a few hours a week. Or not. And I want it to wouldn't affect my personal progress. I'm gonna grind these 10m to buy my waifu eventually and I'm okay with it. As long as she's permanently available.I'd unironically just introduce a War Thunder or League of Legends system.
>>719121926if you don't like the question that was asked, you should complain to the one who asked it, not me.
>>719121789You either buy the character upfront, or spend 3 weeks grinding for parts. I know the Chinese. They’ll simply look at Warframe and base everything off of it.
There's literally no reason to turn the game into another job if you don't want to
So each character costs about $150 at base level?
>>719121973I said you're not fooling anyone
>>719121734I played granblue and almost got carpal tunnel.Nothing can faze me.
>>719122247You will have to since character shards are timegated by dailies and weeklies. If you don't log in for 3 months then you'll miss out on 3 months worth of shards. That ain't good cowboy.
>>719121926It's actually hilarious how badly they squeezed xiao mains then took a gigantic dump on him anyways with GODzuha and SCHIZOmouche
>>719122597>character shards are timegated by dailies and weeklies. Are they? If yes then cringe, if not then I might just give it a shot.I want to be able to forget about the game for a month and not feel like I screwed myself over.
I fucking hate dealing with new player bases with online/gacha games. People have all these little weird preferences with obtaining shot and they will fucking harp on and on about it. Can’t get every single item for free in the game? Here comes Xiao Ling, internet autist that spams ZZZ threads on /vg/.
>>719122247like uma ?
>>719122756See >>719117504The saving grace seems to be that they will let you do auto battle for these types of character farming stages. So it is a gacha but without the gacha banner system but making the dailies/weeklies much more mandatory. You can't have a sudden luckshit moment of getting a new limited character in one pull so you just have to do your dailies/weeklies on autopilot.I'm going to try and make a macro script to do the dailies/weeklies for me so I can come back anytime and redeem characters. If they try too hard to stop me I won't play.
newfag here who never played warframecan I get a tl;dr of what it is? it kind of looks like live service borderlandsI know the chinese are going to copy it 1:1
So many people who shit their pants over gacha make it obvious they never had to deal with the old fashioned freemium cancer. There's a reason freemium died out and gacha came to take its place, and it's not "le anime girl gambling" like I know some faggot is about to claim. The only games left that really keep to the old freemium model are ones that were doing it ten years ago or longer. I don't think launching a new one will go over that well.... but enough people who identify as "gamers" have a hateboner over gacha that saying "we cut the gacha!" is actually a smart marketing move.
>>719123623>i hate gacha!Only the westroons says this. China does not give a fuck. DNA devs just not confident to stand toe and toe with mihoyo the gods of gacha
>crying about no gachaImagine playing f2p slop in the first place regardless of monetisation model
>>719124437Only poor people like you hate f2p gamesName 3 anime games better than Genshin/HSR/ZZZ that came out in 2020. oh wait...
>>719124524>Only poor people like you hate f2p gamesPoor people enjoy these games just as much as whales.
Pretty sure they are aware that they will not last competing with other gachashits both current and upcoming, will be interesting to see if they can last by shifting monetary scheme
>>719125059I mean their competition is promilia aka AAA palworld that not even nintendo can touch and endfield the sequel to the beloved arknights franchise in chinalandBoth of them high profile releases of existing successful gacha IPI do not blame duet night or that silver palace game or even neverness to everness they have their work cut out for them in the upcoming Great Gacha Saturation
>>719124524>that came out in 2020I don't limit myself to newshit only. There are numerous great visual novels and anime games that are far better than Hoyoshit that have come out over the years.
>>719125059Something I've noticed about Gacha players is they almost entirely only care about "rewards" and it doesn't really matter how shit the game is. It'll be tough for them to market this game to that audience when they don't have MUH FUREE PUULLS to give out. Hope it works out.
Last time I saw such a game drop the gacha system it didn't do too well.
>>719125359Well? When are you going to post them?
>>719102586I mean the ass and tits are nice but frankly every single gacha has them. Are the characters looking unique and interesting at all? From here they look like the same mixed sludge of different colored hair and chinese fantasy outfits every other gacha has. Even ZZZ has become infected by this garbage
>>719099019>only 2 male characterswhy is it always so few? i hate Asians and their irrational obsession with women
>>719125434tower of fantasy is also dropping their gacha system but making a separate version of the game
>>719123623Assuming it's almost a 1:1 analogue to warframe yeah it'll filter a ton of people out with the amount of time it asks of a player. The upside is if you're a neet with nothing better to do you absolutely can just get everything.But you aren't going to be playing your 12 other gacha dailies and this game, one or the other.
>>719117138Obtaining grindan characters was a satisfying process but even i have limits. Getting base copy should be piss easy, intron upgrades and weapon farming are where the real grind at. Devs said they're going easy for casuals so i'll take their words for it.
>>719126131Did they also drop all the retarded timegating? And fix the story being insane?
>>719125795Gachas target specific audiences, horny lonely men are a lucrative market. Horny lonely women are one too and they're fucking starving based on record-breaking profits of Love & Deepspace.
>>719121734If you're a spender warframe is way cheaper than a gacha, if you're a neet you can just get everything and grind to your heart's content.Warframe only sucks for people working but living paycheck to paycheck, however those people need to not play video games and get their shit together.
>>719099019>Poster looks like GenshinslopGenshin ruined gacha games, now it's all just a race to the bottom
>>719125434Qrd
>>719126325(Open world) Grind killed Warframe for me. Not even touching this game.
>>7190996100.0001% drop rate just like warframe
>>719126131Was Nemesis ever relevant again? Shirli is the only character I liked.
>>719126748yes, she got an alter ego called voidpiercer
>>719117504Two seconds after this part in the stream he says because there is no energy you can farm character fragments as much as you want.It's like Warframe, it's all free, but it'll take a long ass time to the point people start swiping. That's the catch.
As a working adult, I actually prefer gacha over grinding/farming. Not that I would actually play this kusoge since the characters look generic overdesigned trash as every other chinkslops
>>719127192I didn't play warframehow much of a grind are talking about here?
>>719127453I think there should be a world without either.Just because I have the money doesn't mean I should be expected to spend it on the game's predatory system, and just because of that I shouldn't be expected to spend hundreds of hours on grinding. We used to have normal games. We used to have MMOs which didn't feel like shit too.
>>719127565nta but shit was crazy brobuilding a warframe or any weapon has 3 components, each one took hours to farm thanks to the shitty drop rate and another 12 hours to build in the crafting chamber, then you need to piece them together to craft the warframe itself which will take another 72 hours. not to mention theres also the grind for crafting materials itself some are way too rarer than others. to make them all feels good to play you have to grind for mods too.i quit shortly after fortuna so i dont know if any of this still applies
>>719127598>We used to have MMOs which didn't feel like shit too.Name them. MMOa have always been extremely grindy since their inception.
>>719127916I wouldn't mind the grind in Warframe that much if 80% of shit you grind are fucking trashes that only worth for mastery point
>>719127565It varies wildly. You can knock some out in a few hours, others can take days. Blueprint drops can be a fucking bitch, if this game has blueprints there's your real time gate. All frames take an extra 4 days of sitting in the crafting table. No idea if they're using that system, I assume they will because people love to spend to speed up the crafting times kek.Prime frames can take weeks of actively playing but those are super special mostly cosmetic version of normal frames. Plus nobody farms them entirely you trade.No way in hell this game gets trading though, so if it has a prime equivalent expects months of farm if you want it.
>>719127916>>719128227The devs said they will make it more casual friendly but this shit is sounding scary
>>719117596except you can't
>>719128437TFD has "Prime" versions with no player trading. They just added a pity system instead. You can farm them in 1-3 days.
>>719127916I'm gonna be honest, while I don't always want to grind, having a comfy grinding game available is nice. Sometimes I just wanna grind shit.
>>719127565Incredible amounts of grind. In addition to the aforementioned crafting grind, there's also weapon level grind; the mods you stick on weapons/frames to make them better take up mod capacity, and the total mod capacity of a weapon/frame is dependent on its level (1-30). You can double the capacity with an item that's either bought or given away at times, but if you really want to maximize the power of something you have to start polarizing slots, which halves the mod capacity consumption of the mod in that slot if it has a matching symbol. You have to craft the items needed to polarize slots, polarizing slots can only be done when a weapon/frame is level 30, and doing so resets the level of it, so you have to grind it back up.The worst part of it all? You're grinding to get stronger so you can grind harder.
>>719128437For the most part you don't care in warframe that it takes time, the game is fun and farming your next thing is just the direction you give yourself. That's the hurdle this game has, it needs to just be fun to kill shit.Not that I recommend Warframe to anyway, that thing is so fucking bloated it's a nightmare for new players.
>>719128437Casual friendly as in you can grind while doing something else, like watching a movie. This is a huge red flag and sounds like there's some kind of auto play in the game.
>>719118582Never Timmy's. No matter what.
>>719128952It's hard to tell with the translation, he said auto farm not auto play, I think he means you put select a dungeon to get free materials from it. I assume without the rare drops or whatever.
>>719125742You know what I call those pants? The coward's skirt. Because that is exactly what they are. It's not giving characters a skirt nor fully committing to an actual leotard either, so characters get the sad and safe middle ground.
>>719128767>it needs to just be fun to kill shitPretty much this. The characters have to feel fun, be simple to pick up, yet hard to master. It's the same reason people can sink hundreds to thousands of hours in one character in games like overwatch
>>719101430Gachafags don't want to admit it but they have severe gambling addiction. They don't give a fuck about the game itself, they just care about the dopamine rush when they hit the jackpot, except instead of chips, they get a sexy png so they can wank to it. Some of them play like 10 different gachas at once so they always have something new to roll for.
>>719099019I mean the gameplay is probably built for mobile and the characters look like the usual AI generated chinkslop. It looks like shit.
>>719128952The "auto play" is afking while your ai controlled party does the grind for you. In Warframe you just brought defense based characters with lots of skill duration to cast, alt tab and watched videos.
>>719099019>designs and artstyle looks plagiarized from Honkai>safehorny censored outfits>malesSo they're trying to compete against WuWa and Mihomo? lmao good luck, shit's literally dead on arrival
>>719129952People thought that Wuwa's gonna die quick because it's a very blatant Genshin clone, and turns out that they were wrong and Wuwa is still alive and actually growing. Poeple are slowly getting tired of Mihoyo so there's always a chance to carve out a slice for yourself in the market.
>>719129747No that's a separate mechanic which they made activate automatically since people apparently didn't know it existed or simply didn't use it, he specifically talks about being able to grind in the game while you do other things.
>>719099019This is way too good to be true. This is going to be a Genshin style gacha, where you have to pay to accelerate these things and otherwise you'll be grinding for fucking months, though you can "technically" get it all for free. I reserve my judgment until release.
>>719099019sorry but the aesthetic is just too generic genshin impact-like for me to be interested, even as a warfame player. im so sick of that style
>but genshin genshin genshindoomsissies can't come up with something new
since none of you faggots bothered, this is how it lookshttps://youtu.be/9sZ7JwPnac4?si=3GtBGy-HhE3M9LIK
>>719130738This was singlehandedly the most influential gacha of all time. Not FGO, not Arknights, not GFL, not Azur lane, Not Granblue, not Deresute, not ProSeka, but Genshin.
>first major update hits>players leave enmass because they'll have to grind for 3 months to the get the shiny new characters while the whales just buy them off the shop
>>719099019KWAB
Technically in gachashit games, all characters are free since they give you a small amount of free gambling resources.
>>719131278Yeah of course. The others aren't real games
When gacha shitter realize the opposite side of F2P is grinding for hours upon hours for minimal gain or pay up, it's gonna be hilarious
>>719127565warframe grind is like. as you farm, you get eggs to open.You need to run a mission to open them, but the trick is everyone can get a copy of whatever egg rolls the best loot. So launch week of a new frame you just spam your garbage eggs and get a new blueprint easy. To build a whole frame, you need 3 blueprints, lots of junk, and a few hours of passive time.Hardest part is just getting the blueprints. They don't really add new junk items so you have piles and piles of stuff you'll never use.
>>719131090>since none of you faggots bothered>posts material from cbt 1>not from cbt 2The irony is insane here
>>719133621the alternative of grinding every single day is grinding whenevre you want?how terrible
>>719133985You don't grind in gacha, isn't that exact problem people have with them? you know the whole stamina thing
>>719134061No, you most definitely grind a fuckload in all the gachas if you want to get stuff. They're all designed to steal x hours of your time.
>>719134104There isn't anything to grind in stuff like genshin and star rail. The actually popular ones.
>>719134104How do you grind for hours when you are limited by stamina?
>>719134175You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>7191342021.0 account for both games active. Playing a game isn't grinding. There is not anything you can grind. Nothing exists.
so umm...gameplay? Anyone?
>>719135318It's bad warframe so basically none. Bullet sponge enemies in undetailed environments
>>719136109>Bullet sponge enemies in undetailed environmentsoh so literally every 3rd person gacha then? Got it, thanks
>>719099019Nobody wants to play walk from point A to point B and skip dialogue on a loop for 15 hours
>>719136519Genshin has easily the best environmental design of any ahailable action adventure game and enemies aren't spongy.
>>719135318https://old.reddit.com/1ivilbu/
>>719137221I played genshin at launch and got a solid 60 hours of enjoyment just exploring (pulled Venti early and got the whirlwind jump thing so I could explore everywhere). Got my monies worth (free), but have no desire to go back to it
>>719099019can`t wait for the skin gacha lol
>>719099019i was hyped until they showed the gameplayit looks worse than warframe, somehow even more jank, slower, just looks like shit in general
>>719137342Thumbs up. Just so you know, it currently has, by far, the most dense/varied and one of the largest explorable worlds in gaming history. The main story quest by itself is now like 80 hours and that would lead you through most of the best world areas
>>719137489I don't doubt it, just have no desire to play gacha games anymore. Glad people who are into it are able to enjoy it though
>>719137221It doesn't even have the best environment design within the gacha genre let alone all vidya. Your delusions have to stop.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSQRxyokQ7M
>>719137489now tell him you don't need to skip cutscenes(your favorite part)
>>719137561I like that it's gacha because the game exists. You didn't even get to liyues music though! You owe it to yourself to experience liyues music one day. Next nation
>489>Least obvious mihomo shill
>>719137638You shouldnt skip the main story quest cutscenes that's like the best part of the game. The issue with people wanting skipping in genshin is for the unvoiced minor quests
>>719137678ok tough guy, which gacha tops it right now?
>thread about warframe anime clone>genshit genshit genshit!brown hoyotranny is really tiresome
>>719137724There's no point in discussing thisYou fuckers are literally programmed to hate anything that isn't Genshin
>>719137724Truly a mysteryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5wr7Ap1LJM
>>719137791People should be steered away from a bad experience and toward a good experience. This is morally right
>>719137791You lost zeldatranny
>>719137848Now search pixiv for each characters name
>>719137724you homotrannies would just say genshart is better no matter what, its pointless discussing with subhumans like you
>>719137823>>719138061stop samefagging and give us a name already pussy
>>719138009pixiv? We're talking about videogames little brohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwL5-dpXVQ0
>>719099019Can I zorencopter in this? I quit warframe when they removed it
>>719121734Can get everything you want in Warframe free in 2 weeks if you know what you are doing.
>>719138009>pixiv out of nowherelol even blue archive porn completely mogs your gay ass nigga homoyo gacha
>>719138128Part of playing a live game is enjoying the things that come out of it being liveYou can post the videos all you want, nobody plays wuwa nobody knows the characters, and there's nothing to argue about with that.
>>719125359>great visual novels and anime gamesPic unrelated
>>719138324If nobody plays wuwa how is it affording to make content that is better than genshin little bro?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuYsY37RZ_U
>>719127192It's still capped by dailies and weeklies, there's just no stamina limit to it
>>719127192How much do you have to pay in warframe to skip the bullshit? It can't possibly be anywhere as greedy/stingy as a gacha right?
>>719106682All the people replying and shitting on you really shows the retarded blind rage /v/ has against gacha.These fags never played a KMMO where grinding characters takes fucking ages. Days, weeks of farming less than 1% drops. Its llike an entire game where you farm the Sword of Kings from Earthbound.Gacha isn't good, far from it, but this "you can get everyone free" has a HUGE asterisk behind it.
>kurobot and hoyotranny duking it out in an unrelated gacha threadkek gachashit is funnygreetings from snowbreak
>>719139002There's only a few grinds that are so atrocious they're not worth doing and skipping them costs between 0 to like 5 bucks. It can cost 0 because you can sell items to other players for premium currency by farming something else.
>Duet refers to the interaction of the male and female leadsThe yuritroons and BLshitters that seem to make up a large percentage of gachafags aren't going to like this.
>>719139318kuro?
>>719139318you people still exist?
>>719139318Don't say it like that snobblebro I just want to see more news about DNA. Posting straightforward wuwa comparison videos just happens to be the fastest way to shut down off topic genshit posters.Snowbreak should go even harder on coomservice since I suspect that the existence and success of that game helps devs in other studios feel less shy about following suit.
>>719139268>"you can get everyone free" has a HUGE asterisk behind it.The devs aren't even hiding itYou need multiple copies of a character to unlock their full potentialTheir "How to get character" chart shows that dailies and weeklies will be the main source of shards, meaning there is a massive timegate that can be alleviated by either grinding or payingWhen addressing how long the grind will be to they replied by saying the grind will be easy and stress-free (aka the grind will probably take ages but won't require your full attention)
>play gacha game 10 minutes a day >over the course of a few years I can get almost everything the game offers except for cash only skins>play "real" asian game>I have to play 10 hours a day 365 days a year to afford 10% of the "free" content
>>719139746Grim.
>>719139869>get a job and work for a few hours>get everythingstop being neets
>>719125795I wonder why they even put men in these gamesThe straight male audience doesn't want them. The female audience either won't be compelled to play or won't be satisfied if they do when there's so few. Or they'll even be like WuWa where there's an okay amount of male characters but then they pretty much drop them altogether. I'm still pissed they censored Scar then never released him.
*hits pipe*so let me get this straight, you niggies are actually upset about having to actually play the game to unlock characters?wild shit.
>>719125795there are 4 actually14 female
>>719139962Why play the game anymore after obtaining everything though?
>>719139979"Upset about playing the game" and you look inside and see people using past experiences with "free" games saying it takes ages.Even unlocking new characters in a F2P PVP game like League takes forever.
>>719139962>changing the subject You already lost, your concession has been accepted.
>>719139746This poster is rightI am willing to bet that the rate of f2p shard income will closely resemble that of f2p gacha roll income and players of both systems will end up with similar looking rosters in terms of variety and dupes after 1 year. That said I already vastly prefer this shard system and wish existing gachas would switch to it. Both offers characters in exchange for time/money investment but one will actually invest money back into many nice looking skins instead of coasting off whale profits from dirt cheap weapon skins.
>>719139962Having a job means less time to waste on Grind to get stronger to grind more games.Hell if I wanted to give china money, Lost Soul Aside comes out in a few days and is an ACTUAL game.
>>719139869Casuals only doing dailies should be able to get everything in they play long termJust one copy of a character with good but not optimal gear should be easy to obtain if the devs are any smartWhat will lbe paywalled is getting new characters day 1, unlike gachas where you can save up ressourcesAs well as getting multiple characters maxed out and geared up optilammy, that probably will unironically require 10 hours of daily grind
>>719125795Damn straight, I want to GRIND really HARD for MEN. Get these gross titties out of my face.
>>719125795at the end of the day majority of people that play and spend money on games is still straight menthis is just capitalism working as intended
>>719139869and thats why private servers exist!if duet night gets pservers then it will be proof that the game made it LMAO
*hits pipe*so if their monetization scheme is going to be to sell skins, doesn't that mean the grind to unlock characters will be relatively reasonable so more people will have characters to buy skins for?
>>719125795Honkai: Star Rail is ironically one of the only big budget gachas with a fairly balanced roster of Men and Women, along with having decently written male characters/While it does have its issues (a lot even), its easily the best Hoyo game currently, seeing as Genshin doesn't treat you like a human and ZZZ shaved off all its uniqueness.
>>719140489really? a hoyo game with a balanced roster
>>719140489Now post a male from hsr.
It will likely be easy to get one copy of most characters. Wanting dupes will force f2p to sacrifice variety.
>>719140532Its not 1:1 but its pretty close, probably like 45/55.>>719140540Boothill and Mydei are pretty cool
>>719116962Even if this is how it functions, paying $5 or whatever for a single character instead of dropping $100 on 80 rolls for a guaranteed pity drop is better.Paying for power is still shit either way though, even if it could be worse, so I don't know anyone is celebrating.A bad game is still a bad game.
>>719140687>doesn't post oneGo on, lil bro. Let's see how faggy they look.
>>719140770>projecting your faggot headcanon onto men because you're that insecure
>>719140852>still doesn't post onecurious
>>719140687>Boothilloh yeah i remember the cowboy character looked really cool
>>719099019>scroll through the thread>not a single gameplay clip>not even the loli character trailer shows gameplayWhat is the gameplay? Genuinely asking, I am not familiar with the game.
>>719140894Go on, now post your cope about a guy in armor being gay.
>>719140963>shirtless>fuccboi hair>prettyboi faceThis dude was made for the female gaze.
>>719140460>so if their monetization scheme is going to be to sell skinsThat only works if the game is massively popularYou should expect the grind to be much longer than even something like older Monster Hunter games, where it was common to do 25 hours of grinding to complete a single endgame armorset. DNA's devs are enticed to make the grind as long as they can without it feeling terrible, because it'd drive up both player engagement and spendingPeople paying to skip the grind will be a significant part of their revenue
>>719140963>armorare you for real? this twink nigga with gay ass eyeshadow is partially naked
>>719141103Most anime games do not have Sol Badguy tier men Anon, I'm sorry.
>>719140489Yeah but the designs aren't good and neither is the gameplay or the artstyle franklyI'm so incredibly over hoyoshit
>>719141085I like him but I won't deny that.
>>719141103>eyeshadowI noticed this trend among gacha males and never understood it until I read a comment under a video comparing the male and female mc from wuwa. it said the male mc was hot but would look even better with eye shadow. That's when I realized gacha devs are adding eye make up to the males because they're trying to draw in women.
>>719099019>it's gachashit>but without the gachaSo it's just shit, then?
>>719099019Lmao all these gacha games are now start eating each other up huhIt wont affect big ones like genshit though because the braindead fans will take anything
>>719141306>trying to draw in womenThey've been doing that.
>>719140581Yeah, that's the smart way to go about itI hope getting one character endgame-ready doesn't take months of grinding
>>719141420I know, that's the problem.
>>719141489The devs said they will try to make shards easy to obtain for casuals so I can't imagine them locking too many of them away in endgame modes. But then why would anyone care about endgame?
>>719141291>K*gurabachiMan I remember reading that shit. Dropped after the introduction of the blind guy's daughter.
>there are seriously people arguing that gambling is better than grinding with the option to just purchase it outright if you value your time
>>719142153but how will the company make money????
>PC version will only be available on Epicretarded choice, enjoy your dead game devs
>>719140963>Temu Gilgamesh>cool
>>719106682>>719139268>the advantage of gacha is that you don't actually have to play itit's crazy that this is actually the prevailing take in favor of gachayou guys are something else>clearly you've never played a grindan gamei've played RO, maplestory, WoW, warframe, runescape, you name itgrinding is much better than getting unlucky and being told to pay $100 or go fuck yourself
>>719142381Source on this claim?
>>719141719>But then why would anyone care about endgame?They need to add bragging rights (player titles, etc.) if they want players to care about endgameIf they want players to go all out and also entice whales then they need to have exclusive gear locked behind engame content
>>719142464isnt maplestory the one where you get punished for bad rng and all your grinding can go to waste? (booming)
>>719142494They should forget that crap and focus on making characters fun to play and learn especially in co-op. You don't need to artificially boost engagement with dailies if people can't wait to login to play with other people everyday
>>719104661You can't (usually) target one specific thing to farm, but the scope of loot randomization is pretty limited. And drop chances of specific items are usually not too bad. Plus you're not limited on platinum trading. So if you're unlucky with certain item, you can usually trade for it without much trouble.Yeah, Equinox is worse than the most, but overall Warframe is pretty well balanced in terms of loot grind. Plus recent updates typically have "pity" stores. I.e.>each run of X activity gives you random loot + some currency>currency can be spend to buy the same items without random
>>719141306unfortunately this only works for hoyo gachawomen are the minority in gaming industry and they are stuck inside hoyo ecosystemevery genshit clone try to lure in women like hoyo and it always flop
Outside of being insanely filthy rich, how does one justify spending money on a gacha? For the hundreds of dollars you'd spend on 1 character you could buy literally an entire year's worth of entertaining and varied indie/AA games, or even old games you missed out on. I don't get it.
>>719142465>claimTheir own website
>>719142930>how does one justify spending money on a gacha?By being extremely emotionally invested in specific character I suppose.
>>719143117I guess. I just don't see how you could do that. Gacha character designs are so generic and samey. I'd love to see an age demographic breakdown of who plays and spends on gacha.
>>719142583>You don't need to artificially boost engagement with dailiesTrue if a game hits a critical mass of playersIf it doesn't then they need to rely on the usual tricks
>>719142930You kinda just get playedAll the emotional and psychological warfare the game uses on you gets the better of you and you make an irrational decisionThe same people who'd spend $200 on a single gacha character would spit on a $80 game for being too expensive because the latter doesn't have a vicegrip on them the same way a predatory gacha does
>>719139746You do realize this is also how Warframe works right? Are we becoming so miserable we're complaining about having something to grind for in a grind game? Not that I would play this low quality slop but still. Having the content be earned by playing the game deserves some respect.
>>719099019but how can i shitpost about the game's monthly revenue though?
>>719144167There is a big difference between a game that only rewards you on a per playing basis, like any full priced games, and a game that mostly rewards you through a daily/weekly quest systemThe second kind can easily be abused like any gacha, just without the gambling aspect
>>719144360>DNA tops the chartsShitpost about how the gacha trend is dying, how players are fed up with predatory systems, etc.>DNA doesn't top the chartsShitpost about how gacha is king, how every big release needs to be gacha or face bankruptcy, etc.
>>719125795>2 male charactersThat's 2 too many
>>719099019yeah
The real question is whether the premium currency tradeable or not. Warframe Platinum is tradeable
>>719142930>hundreds of dollars for one characterChrist almighty. I can't imagine how one would justify it either. And I play two fucking gachas.
>>719145169Making anything tradable immediately creates a black market
i'd play it
>>719142930Most gachas have a monthly login pack that has a lot more value than the packs where you get the currency instantly. I used to buy it for Blue Archive, I just looked at it like a wow sub. It was around 10€ per month and I didn't have any other gaming related subscriptions.
>>719145695The value in these monthly / battlepasse are created by anchoring the prices of the other packages so you convince yourself that it's "value" to begin with.
>>719145803Yea, so?
so whats the special gimick of this game?is still the same game as genshin and wuwa?party of 3 or 4, just 1 attack button and 1 skill and 1 passive and 1 ultimate?whats diferent about this game?
>>719125359>Shart;Gate>great visual novel
>>719146063>is still the same game as genshin and wuwa?not even close to thoseit's going to be exactly anime warframe/the first descendant
>>719145695Ideally a live service game should only rely on that monthly login pack and cosmetics, but they'd need to make that pack such great value that getting it is an insane advantage over F2P players
>>719146194tell me more
>>719146308>>719146063it's literally written in the op
>>719140224dont you like playing as cool guys in video games? girls are lame and boring they also have cooties
>>719099019Can it survive without gacha I wonder? If Warframe were to come out today and not 11 years ago, would it be just as successful? I mean if it's good I hope it will, but makes me wonder how sustainable would it be without gacha or some heavy monetization.
>>719146308Anon, it's Warframe. Literally Warframe. Albeit a bit simplified. That's it. It was originally going to be gacha but the devs announced yesterday that they removed the gacha AND the stamina system so now it's a real video game that you can actually play.
>>719140963That's LITERALLY Gilgamesh but gayer and mind you, he was already a bit gay in this form. I don't know why there isn't a version with his hair up. He looks much cooler with his hair up.
>>719146959>If Warframe were to come out today and not 11 years ago, would it be just as successful? I highly doubt itMost people underestimate just how fierce the competition is these daysYou need to be better than the increasing number of new games and on top of that you also need to compare favorably to the already entrenched games with massive playerbases
>>719099019Good move, but what's the point if the game itself looks like shit? You can just watch its CBT gameplay in Youtube. The movements are floaty, low-impact, with bright particles all over the screen. The best example of all flash no substance.
>>719145695the whole point of the monthly login bonus packs is to build up a habit of getting you to log in every day and slowly dripfeed currency to you in hopes that you get impatient somewhere along the way and spend $100it and the BP also break the psychological barrier of spending money on the game. at some point, your brain will see the time and money you've spent on the game as investment, and it will be very easy for your mind to conclude "if i'm this invested in the game, then spending more money is worth it to me"the whole fucking thing is predatory and you don't even realize you're being manipulated
>>719142831That's because the clones don't actually try to appeal to womenThey just bait women with a few males and then neglect them assuming they'll be happy with the scraps. WuWa is the prime example of thisThough hoyo did this anyway too, just later than expected with ZZZ and that mesa region in Genshit. Even before then, they were exactly treated equally, but it was "enough"
>>719149038Being manipulated is subjective. If you genuinely enjoy the game and willing to play daily anyway then it's not really a manipulation.
bros you are doing a bad job at shilling this gameWHERE ARE THE GURLZ???
>>719141306Eye shadows are gay in modern world, but they do look good in Medieval stuff like Alexander or Egyptian-themed movies.
>look into non-gacha game thread>endless gacha faggotryCan you subhumans go talk in one of your gacha threads instead of shitting up an actual video game thread?
>>719149258I agree that it can look cool as hell but it entirely depends on the rest of the design. Naruto is not an effeminate male stripper so the eye shadow looks cool as hell on him but it just makes that already gay looking gacha husbando even gayer.
>>719099019I don't actually mind gacha if the pity isn't bullshit and you don't get cucked when rolling for a banner
>>719099019I wanna spend on skins and battle passes. Gacha is cancer.
>>719148676>low-impactPlayers who want high-impact aren't satisfied unless a game out of its way to do everything for the sake of hits feeling meaty>Brief pause when the move connect>Loud impact noise>Screen shaking>Large visual effects>Big damage numbersYou people want everything to feel like the true charged slash in monster hunter
>>719149389I like Mydei's design, but >pulling males in gacha lol I was close to pulling Boothill, but lost 50/50 iirc, don't really play HSR that much anymore
>>719149038>the whole point of the monthly login bonus packs is to build up a habit of getting you to log in every daygachas operate on daily quests in the first place, so it doesn't change anything
does this game have guilds?
>>719141306it's more of a spiritual thing to denote supernatural bullshit
why did it take this long for an anime warframe to exist anyways
>>719149875It will. You couldn't form guilds in the beta tests yet but the option was there, alongside guild chat and recruitment.
>>719149976People were too busy chasing after MOBAs, and then hero shooters and then battle royales
>>719149976Because to make a game like Warframe you have to copy it completely and only chinks are shameless enough to copy something completely.>>719150006Nonsense. There have been plenty of failed looter shooters chasing Warframe like Anthem and TFD. Problem is that, as I said up above, you HAVE TO copy Warframe in its entirety because the devs just got it right the first time. Warframe is entirely carried by its basic gameplay.
>>719149976Other attempts have been made. The problem is they've all been so shit that you've never heard of them. Trust me, there isn't a single popular/successful game China hasn't copied already.
>>719150083Warframe is carried by being the first to market and sunk cost from its playerbase
>>719150186No, Warframe is carried by its basic gameplay. The combination of the bullet jump, bullet time, seamless swapping between melee and ranged weapons, the movement and the cool and unique abilities. Everything the devs have done to the game since then has only detracted from what makes Warframe so good but it still has no competition because devs refuse to just copy the game and instead try to reinvent it to no avail because Warframe just got it right.
>game isn't available on steamOkay. I hope the Epic bribe bucks were worth it devs because you've chosen to rapidly accelerate the death of the game.
>>719150510Isn't there a standalone client? That's what I played the beta on.
>>719140460>so if their monetization scheme is going to be to sell skinsI know the guy in the video said that. But I'dd call you gullible to believe it's trueThey are gonna make their money of people buying characters/dupes, like all the other games
>>719150617Pay2skip is definitely going to be part of their revenue stream but it still doesn't change the fact that you can freely grind everything and you can pay directly for what you want instead of being forced to gamble unlike in gachashit.
>>719150717>gachashitNTA but this is going to depend entirely on how much of a grind they make it. If it's excessive I'd rather they just go with a standard gacha model because if I'm not going to get half the cast anyway I'd at least like to be able to get the ones I want with minimal time investment.
>>719150717>Pay2skipLook, constellation 6 characters in Genshin are also free. You are just paying to skip 12 months of daily/event "grind".
>>719150923You're right, but only if the grind is capped in some wayIf you can farm for 100h hours to max out a character then you can't compare it to a gacha where you're timegated by dailies
>>719142464>grinding is much better than getting unlucky and being told to pay $100 or go fuck yourselfidk, its either 30+ hours or $100. Both fucking suck ass.
>>719151119>If you can farm for 100h hours to max out a characterNo idea why people are acting like this is a fact The picture graphics used on stream, pretty clearly links character shards to obtain from dailies.
Reminder that gachapigs are literally not human.
Didn't this game have auto-combat?Are they trying to re-invent Granblue Fantasy by having you auto combat for 10000+ of hours? That's actually gameplay I could get behind, trying to optimize my automated teams for the most efficient grinding possible
>>719149112wuwa literally launched with a male banner and those hoyo women are not there rolling for him, the first female banner instantly has higher revenuetheres a good reason why all gacha always fall back pandering to men when they are in trouble, running server and making future content is not free and money always talksonly hoyo is big enough could risk releasing male, other corpo simply doesn't have the same scale and popularity of loyal player base to do that
>>719151521You are a child
>>719151442Then sure, the game won't be entirely different from a gachaIt should still be way more player friendly and also cheaper since nobody will accept to spend hundreds on dupes like they would in a gacha
>>719151540>trying to optimize my automated teams for the most efficient grinding possibleIt's definitely looking to the be the caseOptimized AFK teams will be the meta
>>719099019certainly the most interested I've ever been in the game
