in retrospect, who won?
>>719249836TES6 will sell billions, no one remembers Gothic anymore
>>719249836They both won.The "Made popular by SSethTzeentach" award, that is.
>>719249836Morrowind is the best sandbox with the best mods. Gothic 2 is the best RPG ever made out of the box and Archolos is the Gothic 3 we deserve.Both won.
>Gothicno one even remembers this garbage except eastern euros or Germanshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAKIZoepXkt. German
Morrowind of course
>>719249836Morrowind lets me puck from 9 races to play as and doesn't force me to grind fetchquests while my combat capabilities are those of a headless chicken and I can skip to the fun part if I want to.Gothic has a more standard fantasy setting that's well crafted and beautiful and has interesting lore as well but it feels more like an action adventure hack n slash game where the first third of it you literally suck and can't do shit about it.
>>719249836>in retrospect, who won?Which studio is worth billions and which one went to the ground?
>>719249836As a zoomer who played Deus Ex and Morrowind for the first time and loved them, will I like Gothic? I love the opening cutscene of the game. The premise seems kino
>>719251628I grew up with Morrowind but never heard of Gothic until 2020ish and fell in love with it. Since you didn't get filtered by Morrowind your brain is probably big enough to adapt.
>>719249836Germans can't into RPGs
morrowind has absolute dogshit gameplayyour reward for playing it is reading walls of text you'll forget in a few hours and actually investing time into lore will negatively impact your life
Since the only win that matters is my personal approval, Gothic won.
>>719252328Gothic has no lore on the other hand and whatever is there is the most generic lazy trash, "humans good" "orcs bad", kill the evil dragon that wants to destroy the world
>>719252328>morrowind has absolute dogshit gameplayHow? Morrowinds quest design and worldbuilding are incredible.
>>719249836morrowind is more interesting but gothic is more fun to actually playmorrowind's world feel extremely fake and static after playing gothic
>>719249836Piranha Bytes went bankrupt so Bethesda won
>>719252565i said gameplayall melee is the same, marksman is repetitive as shit and magic is so overpowered the game basically plays itselfthe quests themselves are mechanically MMOy as shit
>>719250229>TES6 will sell billions2 more weeks
>>719249836>Gothic's legacy is Archolos>Morrowind's legacy is Tamriel RebuiltMorrowind won
>>719252820>Never adapt, never innovate, never expand, just make the same style of game over and over.What were they thinking?
>>719249836No matter what game you choose Gothic 2 would always win
>>719252931Wow a big land that's 80% empty!
>>719249836Why do people pretend like there's some sort of war between morrowind and gothic? As far I can tell these games and its communities are completely separate with close to 0 overlap.
>>719252931archolos is goat, had more fun playing it than playing TR
>>719252449And they still managed to retcon it with every direct sequel lul
Should I play Gothic vanilla or modded?
>>719249836I won, because I got both
>>719253135The only mod you need is the systempack so game runs on modern os, DX11 if you're stuck with an AMD card, order should beG1 > G2 NOTR > ArcholosYou can play G3 if you're desperate for more
>>719252179You are wrong
>>719253020Butthurt Gothicfaghttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt:Quests
>>719253020>80% emptyYou haven't played it
>>719250257"""popular"""no one played morrowind or gothic because of sseth, they just pretend to.
THE GOAThttps://youtu.be/mD0HzhZvMZ8
People actually like Morrowind. /v/edditors pretend to like Gothic because it's contrarian.
>>719250257sseethe didnt even make a video on morrowind
>>719252931Archolos sweeps that one.
>>719253272>>719253318Gamers will look at single texture brown mud huts and be like "hell yeah"
>>719253382people like morrowind out of a persecution complex because they're desperate to pretend it's not a normalfag franchise
>>719253272>>719253318hell yeah
>>719252931??? Archolos wins that one, it's not even close.
>>719253436Yes.
>>719253425Not with that obnoxious main quest forced onto you, it doesn't. Fuck Jorn.
>>719253993Was Jorn death a surprise to anyone? The second chapter 2 starts I was like yep he's dead
>>719253318cool, copypasted buildings with copypasted NPCs in it that do nothing but stand there and give you generic copypasted responses
I had fun playing both but Gothic2 was pretty bad compared to 1 and not very fun to play more than once. I liked the enemies and the way you gained skills in gothic much better than in Morrowind.
morrowind completely fails as a videogameeverything people like it for could be put into a vn
>>719250257I was playing Morrowind and Gothic long before Sseth made his channel. But you are right that they both have won. Both still have massive community mods made for them to this day by passionate people that loved those games. No modernslop will ever have this kind of a following because modern games have no soul.
>>719254761you are a complete retard because that isn't true at all
>>719255129so people are lying when they say the game is so easy to break that the only thing that keeps you going is the prospect of reading walls of text to sate your autism?
>>719255301the power fantasy is a big part of what makes it fun
>>719253408yeah he did, it's one of his earliest
>>719255348the point of videogames is to at least try to have engaging gameplay
>>719255301>"so people are lying when they say">needs validation from people online to tell him what games to like and what games to dislikeSounds like you either didn't play it or got filtered.
>>719252931Does TR have good combat or is it the same as Morrowind?
>>719249836I did.As a gamer.
>>719254338>>719253318
>>719255709I see empty copy pasted buildings
>>719255582morrowind is hands down the one game i've tried playing the mostevery time i got to endgame power wise and then quit because i'd rather just listen to an audiobook or a playthrough of it than get rewarded with lore in a franchise that is forever doomed to be slop
>>719253020HEHEHE
>>719250537>Archolos is the Gothic 3 we deserve.and it mogh any bethesda game or pyranha bytes game since after G2
>>719249836gothic was the template for the greatest RPG ever made, witcher 3, morrowind had 0 impact
>>719255923this, except make the morrowind world 5-10 times bigger
>>719255789is there some specific reason you're assuming Narsis' buildings are empty despite the fact TR has never added any such thing?https://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/content/grasping-fortune-teaser
What time is it in Germany?Morrowind brought TES to a larger audience and it still has a very strong cult following and modding communityGothic II is pretty much only remembered by Krauts and western Poles who probably ought to be Krauts-- everyone else ok the planet prefers TES
>>719256165wow what can you do in that building, walk in, look at the walls, and walk out?
>>719256318what do you want TR to add
>>719255789>I seeOf course you do, because you haven't played it. Keep up.
>>719256354an npc who gives a meaningful quest or gives a hint about where to find something else in a city or solve another quest, a secret to find in the building with useful loot insid that benefits your character, or at the very least some service that benefits the player and you will want to visit it regularly because no other place can offer this serviceSo what Archolos does in 90% of its map
Morrowind is extremely gimped for Xbox while Gothic 1 and 2 are proper PC games
>>719256206So based on this post gothic is for whites with high IQ while TES is for brown masses. Which I completely agree with.
>>719256206>it still has a very strong cult following and modding communitywow just like Gothic you fucking giga nigger
>>719256558cool, all of the things you listed can be found just in narsis, which is one of many cities addedhttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt:Narsisi seriously don't understand the point of bitching about 'empty buildings' when it's demonstrably wrong
>>719253253So just play 1, then 2, then 2's expansion, then Archolos? Anything else worth keeping in mind going in?
>>719253336morrowind modding is more popular than ever but keep living in fantasyland by all means
>>719254338>i havent played itwhy type all that when you could simply just create a macro that says this?
>>719256558All that shit was already in vanilla Morrowind nevermind TR. Seriously, have you *played* the games you are talking about, fren?
>>719251628yes gothic is pretty kino
>>719253382people like skyrimtrannies pretend to like morrowind despite not being able to play it for more than 3 hours
I prefer RPGs where you control a whole party of characters. Gothic doesn't even have real character creation either.
>>719257083that's soulless
>>719257083Parties are completely indistinguishable from trashy monobuilds (Fallout New Vegas)
>>719256738There's no need to play G2 classic if that's what you mean, G2 NOTR completely superseeds it.If there's a tip that I can give is to use spell scrolls often, you will never be in a situation where you must have a spell scroll to win the game and most people just hoard them for later only to never use a single one. They're especially powerful early on in NOTR.But if you're beyond paranoid about some unbeatable boss, just save summon demon and ice wave scrolls because those are insanely powerful anything else just use it at first given opportunity.
>>719255923People misunderstand this image and think it favors either. Walking around and taking in the world IS the big appeal of TES games.
>>719257034Post your playtime
>>719249836I like them both for different reason.Gothic 1 is better than 2 though.
>>719257224Wtf are you talking about? FNV is a first-person shooter with stats.
can the contrarian trannies ITT stop the larp now where they pretend morrowind is somehow unpopular?
>>719257247It's a rerelease of the vanilla game with stuff added and not a standalone expansion?
>>719257605Something like that yeah.
>>719255923It's more like this
>>719249836Morrowind is fucking terrible in almost every single fucking metric other than lore (and not the ingame lore, the lore written in ingame books that has nothing to do with anything that happens in the game)Gothic 2 is genuinely a fantastic open world RPG that holds up to this day.Only a retarded nostalgiafag would call Morrowind anything other than pure trash.Even in it's own series, it's the worst game. Yes, I'm including Daggerfall in that list. (But not Battlespire or Redguard).
>>719257297I am not a steamgoy retarded mutt
>>719257969Why?
>>719257801you belong on a cross
>>719252179Uhh bros why did he pick redguard? Real chads play altmer
>>719252931size =/= qualityTR doesn't fix any of Morrowind's glaring issues
>>719257969Reddit spacingReddit opinion
>>719251392>doesn't force me to grind fetchquestsAnother Morrowind 'player' that has clearly never played their own game.I wish I could say I am surprised.
>>719252449>Gothic has no lore on the other hand and whatever is there is the most generic lazy trashlord / world-building in G1 was funthere are still plot holes here and there (like the 13th mage) but at least they triedG2 is the one that is generic good paladins vs evil dragons. Even then paladins are kinda shitheads in G2, they would rather deal with drug dealers than slay dragons
Gothic has fetch quests too but they knew they were shit so they had to spice them up.Bring me an orc weapon, a text book definition of a fetch quest.But hey it's pretty hard to beat up an orc at like level 2 when you get this quest, good thing this quest has at least 5 different ways to solve without actually going and killing an orc yourself.
>>719251392>interesting lore>weed for the weed godOn that note: Why are G*rmans so obsessed with niggerweed? It never fails to be a part of their subversive degenerate garbage games.
>>719257982I'll accept the concession
>>719258098What the fuck do you mean, why?The combat is an abortion.The dialog is literally unvoiced, copypasted wikipedia articles.The NPCs do absolutely fucking nothing.The environment is devoid of any real detail, even for the time.The 'dungeons' are 90% all the same assets, most of which with no real unique shit to them.The music is repetitive as fuck.The quests are almost all fetch quests or just dry 'go here and kill this generic dude'.There is absolutely NOTHING in this game that's worth anyone's time. It is pure slop, you just pretend to like it because it's old slop. I can legitimately call it one of the worst RPGs I've ever played.
>>719257701Does Gothic 2 Gold in Steam have everything?
>>719258840I'm not familiar with the steam version so I don't know.
>>719257605basically just new quest-line that eventually leads you to a completely new and really fun locationbut they also added new NPCs and quests to the main / vanilla world and also made enemies stronger and character progression more annoying plus they kinda ruined the magic for mages
>>719252931eh. more like that gigantic russian mod? new balance or something
Who cares? Play both motherfuckers
Gothic is unknown outside of fringe online circles, Morrowind has a real legacy felt in the bones of every wRPG since.
>>719257247>ice waveI remember using ice wave to save paladins than mine ore from the orcs in G2They were still mad at me that I beat them
>>719256558>So what Archolos does in 90% of its mapTo play devil's advocate, not all or even most NPCs should be tied to a quest or hint. You need "normal" but unique NPCs to make the world actually feel alive.
>>719257969>Morrowind is fucking terrible in almost every single fucking metric other than lore (and not the ingame lore, the lore written in ingame books that has nothing to do with anything that happens in the game)What? Aside from the creation myths, half of the lore books are tied in with the main plot of the game. The other half are from Daggerfall.
>>719260624Also Morrowinds plot is fucking incredible, especially the way it ties in with all the guild and side quests. Unless Oblivion and Skyrim where the side/guild quests feel like they take place in a vacuum
>>719260308Oh come on, Archolos (and all gothics) feel much more alive than morrowind, all of them also have generic npcs just to make the world feel alive
>>719252328Brown 70 iq moment
>>719260915If you want to be punished with a quest for just talking to people then you should just try entering a service building in Daggerfall.
>>719252931/thread
>love both franchises>spend years watching gothicfags habitually lie, make misleading webms, and just throw tantrumsGothic never had that effect on me. Is it envy? Is it feeling like you have some esoteric secret that makes you fight a fight that will never change anyone's mind? Fucking bizarre.
>>719261915why are all you morrotroons literally the same?
>>719262046>morrotroons
>>719249836Arf! Winning implies competing with rules that determine some objective betterhood of one game over other which automatically throws individual merits of either as creative productions out the window, and that means comparing stuff like units sold which means Morrowind obviously wins by ridiculous margin.Woof!
>>71926204690% of them don't actually play their game, is why
Morrowind?Gothic?ladies and gentlemen...I present you, ACTUAL KINO
>>719263884The based retard pick of sandbox rpgs.
Does Morrowind have good music?https://youtu.be/y_ifjEYEMuY?si=MgULvWmsx-IFw0q_
>>719264626Yeshttps://youtu.be/1ub-vEB3DvU
>>719264626The fact that in Morrowind the main theme, wonderful as it is, is every third track that plays kinda takes me away from the world.
>>719249836We didn't know Gothic was fighting
>>719261915It's always an inferiority complex
>>719249836Both suck balls, even on the time of their release.
>>719249836Gothic should have wonBut most people are retardedthat's why Morrowind won
>>719265923Time for bed zoomzoom
two entirely different games
>>719249836We did, because we got to play two great games.
>>719249836Morrowind
Gothic 2 > Fallout NW > Baldurs Gate 3 > Morrowind > Gothic 1 > Gothic 3 > Shitrim > Pisslivion > Dungout 3 > Dungout 4 > Poopfield
>>719270354>New WEGaslolshit opinions btw
>>719249836Which one offered more hours of RPG fun in a huge, varied world? Morrowind, without a shadow of a doubt. The world is more alien and unique, the freedom in player building more open. You can be a Nord warrior, a Bosmer archer, a Dunmer mage and everything in-between. You've got weapons, spells, enchantments either passive or equipped via gear/jewelry, birthsigns, classes, racial bonuses, so on and so forth. Not only is Gothic more of a generic take for of a pre-10th century fantasy world ('updated' to 15th century when G2 adds paladins with plate armor) akin to Oblivion, orcs and all; but you're always forced to play as the same kraut with a ponytail, with the same voice and the same personality. You can make his use swords or scrolls, wow, what a huge fucking difference. Gothic has more in common with a game like Fallout 4 that railroads you into Nate the Pre-War citizen that cares about his son than it does Morrowind's Daggerfall influences. And even in F4 you can choose to play as Nora kek.
>>719270537Post yours
>>719270593Only comparing games with similar metrics:Daggerfall > ArenaMorrowind > Skyrim >> OblivionFallout 4 = 3 >>>> NVFallout 1 >= 2Poop > Baldur's Gate 3Gothic 1 = 2 >>>>>> 3, 4Don't care about Saarfield
>>719268924Testard, please. This entire series started out as a shitty Ultima Underworld ripoff for low-functioning autists with worst open world in games' history.As about Gothic, it's just a mid action adventure with okayish action combat. I'd much rather play Ocarina of Time than this ugly buggy jank with moronic puzzles.
>>719273426>Zelda kidShh, adults are talking
>>719271718They are all RPGs, they are comparable, not even a single jrpg was mentioned
>>719274683Gothic wouldn't have happened without 3d Zelda games, little one. And yet, it still looks and plays like shit compared to them. How come?
>>719275160Retard.
>>719275247>Gothic wouldn't have happened without 3d Zelda gamesThis man is clearly delusional.
>>719252449Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh both games have big communities, and some actually liked and played both ... content and lorewise, sure, TES wins because it's not that realistic but G2 has a few mods made for it, the latest of which is a big ass 1-week playthrough, which references and expands on general Gothic loreone is goofy fantasy with serious moments and the other is serious fantasy with goofy moments>t. Comfy fence sitter
>>719255923>>719257801do you have the version with the 6-edged cookie star and the windmill of friendship?I saw that edit eons ago but didn't save it
>>719275668OoT revolutionized 3d open world games together with GTA 3, and Gothic evidently ripped off 3d Zelda combat. Your mid jank wouldn't have happened without them. Face the truth.
>>719275247the final shrines in both Gothics are easily the worst parts of the gamesI've tried playing TP and a bit of BotW, both were so boring it is insaneI honestly doubt OoT is any better
>>719273426You're a retard.>>719275247OoToddlers pretend games with lockon copied OoT. You have no grounds for even pretending Gothic took from it.
>>719252931You contradict your own greentext.
>>719276432>BotW*pukes*Why the fuck did you play this shit for women and faggots? Play the N64 games.>>719277018>reeee noooo oot done a 3d openworld action adventure game with movement based combat way before, but no, no strong influence there, its all coincidence!!! sleeper, help me!
>>719277327>openworldWrong.>game with movement based combat way beforeWhat the fuck are you talking about? Do you OoTards think that shut game invented hitboxes?
>>719277269I very much do not
>>719278404Archolos won
>>719278560>>719265721
>>719278778>>719275563
>>719279615>>719258482
Morrowind has quantity, gothic 2 has quality.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PcUQQOODv0
>>719277571>Wrong.You're goofy. But that's okay, keep living in your fairy tale that gothic is something more than a janky zelda clone with light rpg mechanics sprinkled on top, I'll instead live a reality and play good action adventure games.>What the fuck are you talking about? Do you OoTards think that shut game invented hitboxes?You never played a 3d Zelda game in your life, don't you? Or something like Oni and Blade of Darkness for example? That's what gothic combat strives to be and fails miserably.
>>719279778>>719261325
>gothic is now a zelda cloneI've read some retarded ass shit on this website but this takes the cake.
>>719280185> <100 iq gothictard copium
>>719280018>You're goofy. But that's okay, keep living in your fairy tale that gothic is something more than a janky zelda cloneOoT is not an open world.>You never played a 3d Zelda game in your lifeI've played them all. I'm also not a tendie which means I play other games so I know it didn't influence 3D games like OoToddlers pretend it did. Now explain in no ambiguous terms what you think movement based combat is and how OoT invented or popularized that in late 1998.
>>719249836nobody talks about gothic 2 outside /v/
>>719280886>OoT is not an open world.Neither is gothic, then. Do you consider OoT not being an openworld game solely because it has loading times? Gothic's dungeons has loading times too.>Now explain in no ambiguous terms what you think movement based combat is and how OoT invented or popularized that in late 1998.I already did by providing example of two games specializing on it - a melee combat based on combos, special attacks, and dodge moves like rolls or sidesteps. Oni is a great example, and OoT ought to be the first 3d game to do this.
>>719281787>a melee combat based on combos, special attacksGothic has no special attacks and nobody uses its combos>dodge moves like rolls or sidestepsIt is truly revolutionary to be able to parry the enemy. I bet without Zelda nobody would even think about that feature
>>719281787>Neither is gothicWrong. OoT is a hub with connecting areas. There's no argument here, you're just completely fucking retarded and don't know what words mean. Underworld dungeons with loading screens don't make something not an open world.>I already did You did not.>by providing example of two games specializing on itNo you did no. And neither of those games borrow from OoT's 3D combat.> a melee combat based on combos, special attacks, and dodge moves like rolls or sidesteps.If you actually believe this, or that OoT has special attacks for combat, you're severely mentally retarded.>and OoT ought to be the first 3d game to do this.Not even close. The first 3D action game with combos, specials, and dodges is over 3 years older than OoT, and it was wildly popular in Japan so it actually influenced other games' developments at the time. Try to name it and prove you aren't a retarded tendie.
Btw, the best Gothic features are dynamic day / night cycle, different factions, open world and NPCs that have their own scheduleJust wondering, what games prior to Gothic had all of it in one package?
>>719282329>Just wondering, what games prior to Gothic had all of it in one package?Ultima 7. Certainly not OoT since it didn't have factions or NPC schedules. No, different races doesn't mean the game has a "faction" system if there are no quests or interactions between them. If you're just going between then in a scripted order and it plays out the same way every time, you're just playing a linear action game. And OoT still doesn't have an open world, no matter how hard you want to pretend it does.
>>719282191>If you actually believe this, or that OoT has special attacks for combat, you're severely mentally retarded.https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Abilities_in_Ocarina_of_TimeNo, you.>The first 3D action game with combos, specials, and dodges is over 3 years older than OoTWas it also an action adventure game? I highly doubt.
>>719282601Spin attack, specifically.
>Morrowind>Tamriel Rebuilt is a great mod I put a lot of hours in>Gothic>Chronicles of Myrtana: Archolos is a great mod I put a lot of hours inMe. I won.
>>719282601>links a page that lists fucking autojumpRetard.>Was it also an action adventure game? I highly doubt.How many more times do you want to try moving the goalposts so you can pretend OoT did anything first or best and that devs copied it and not the dozens of other games that were already doing those things? And when I say doing those things, I mean actually doing them instead of fake doing them like how you pretend OoT combat has abilities or that it's an open world.
Didn't know we were fighting, morrowind and gothic 2 are great. Both had sequels that are shit although Risen was still enjoyable.
>>719249836are you fucking retarded, I love both dearly but it's very fucking clear who won.in case your helplessly retarded it's the franchise that has released a new game in the last TWO FUCKING DECADES that won
>>719282804>Retard.Completely ignored rolling and spin attack. Got you. I see you haven't actually played it, despite claiming so.>How many more times do you want to try moving the goalpostsGoofball, we were talking about action adventure games from the start, not about fucking fighting games as I presume. Did you meant Tekken by that game? OoT is the first to do this in a genre, as well as refining 3d action adventure games' formula. No OoT = no gothic. Cope.
>>719282191>And neither of those games borrow from OoT's 3D combat.Terminal retardation.
>>719283185>Completely ignored rollingYou already listed dodging as a thing separate from combat abilities. Spin attack is 1. You said combat based on abilities. You can't have combat based on abilities when you have 1 single ability.>Goofball, we were talking about action adventure games from the start,We were talking about open world RPGs (Gothic and Morrowind). OoT is neither an RPG nor open world. Objectively.>OoT is the first to do this in a genre, as well as refining 3d action adventure games' formula. No OoT = no gothic. Cope.Wrong. Tendies don't know shit about video games. You can have another reply when you address the fact that OoT isn't an open world, and that you don't know what open world is. And no, you don't get to redefine what open world games are. Open overworld has ALWAYS been what it means.>>719283340Pathetic samefag.
>>719283575>gothic>rpgTop kek. And I'm not samefagging, just a delayed reply to something I didn't notice reading your garbage first time.
>>719249836Morrowind, easily.Doesn't mean it's a better or worse game, though.
>>719253020Fuck, I wish. There's way too much shit in TR, and they keep adding more.
Nice, now a retard who didn't even play Gothic will be explaining why it is not an rpg
>>719283575>We were talking about open world RPGsTard, I were saying ACTION ADVENTURE in my second reply to this thread I believe. And no, gothic is not a proper rpg, it's an ACTION ADVENTURE game with light rpg mechanics. Rudimentary character building doesn't make game an rpg - you also mentioned moronwind, a shit game too, but an actual rpg. If you see no difference between the depth of role-playing mechanics in these two games you are terminally braindead.>>719283924I 100%d Gothic 1. Mid game, barely an rpg.
>>719249836Is Gothic 2 worth playing if I found Gothic 1 a bit underwhelming?
>>719284214DependsGameplay-wise it is betterStory / setting-wise - not so much
>>719284214Absolutely. Gothic 2 actually has side quests after the first chapter.
>>719249836i got filtered by the control scheme in the gothic games
>>719284290Not him, but what about quests?
>>7192851132 has better quests and way more of themIt even has the whole thief guild quest line which you can entirely miss if you decide to butcher them
>>719285243>2 has better quests and way more of themPerfect.
>>719285243but it also has couple of fetch questsSome of them are annoying - one of the hunters asks you to bring him wolf fur if you want to become his apprentice, but I think he only teaches you how to skin wolves after you bring fur to him so you need to find / buy fur instead of actually hunting wolves
>>719284072>it's an ACTION ADVENTURE game with light rpg mechanicsSo it's an RPG.>B-But it's not a proper-It's an RPG.
I played both when I was like 12 or something and I love both still.With that said I played morrowind and the expansions once in a very long playthrough. I played Gothic 1 and 2 multiple times so they win.I have Archolos and mean to play it. I just need to make the time.
>>719249836>gothic fags still sething 20 years laterkek
gothic fans are still based 20 years later
>>719249836Gothic 1
>>719286662Shit bait. Simpleton character building makes game have rpg elements, but doesn't make said game an rpg. Not even action rpg, mind you. Gothic is about exploring, doing fetch quests, solving retarded puzzles for 8 year olds and action combat, not about making a perfect build or tactical combat (morrowind at least has an excuse by featuring a complex magic system that brings tactics in real time combat - varied effect aoe spells, hypnosis, silence, paralysis, etc) - it's a fucking action adventure game.Calling gothic rpg is as silly as calling Diablo or Strife 1996 an rpg. Yes, you have very few stats that do change shit when you up them - like you raise accuracy in Strife and the spread is less... but the game still plays like an average 90's fps, just like Diablo plays like a dumb Gauntlet clone with stats. It has to be far more advanced than that, the rpg mechanics have to be core of the gameplay and not an additive - let's take your beloved moronwind as an example: a full-blown character creation, you can even go as far as make a custom class; skills for each magic school, types of weapons and armor; a fucking spellmaker, at last. What does gothic has to offer? Three stats, including mana capacity? A skill for one handed and two handed weapons and for 2 types of ranged weapons - 4 in total? Basic shit like lockpicking and the leap skill that doesn't even have gradations? If that's what /v/tards unironically consider a proper rpg in 2025, then this place is doomed.
>>719249836Bethesda conned Microsoft out of how many billions and piranha bytes went bankrupt so you tell me
>>719253020>>719253272It's pretty full. THe problem is is that its full of more Morrowind.
>>719289779>RPG means character creationOoTrannies are dumb.
>>719249836Did Gothic 3 come out as a true sequel to Gothic 2 improving upon it's formula or did it come out as a broken piece of shit Morrowind copycat?
>>719290828Says a gothicuck who have no clue what rpg is. No wonder, you guys were never too bright.
>>719289779>ablooblooblooIt's an RPG.
>>719290965No, it's action adventure.
>>719290920Ackchyually, it came out as a broken piece of shit Oblivion copycat, which is even worse. Which reminds me, this is what Kirkbride had to say regarding Jungle Cyrodiil:>"Cyrodiil was going to be as described in the first PGE, which the book you’re talking about took its quotes from. The heart of the province being what you think of when you think of a traditional jungle, tumbling down to the fields of large rice paddies that fed the Empire, guarded by Romanesque troops and dragons everywhere. The Imperial City was to be vast, rolling across wetlands and swamps, with large sections lost and overgrown, full of too many cults to count, the oldest temples having obviously been around since the Merethic. Then Todd watched The Fellowship of the Ring and mistakes were made"Love how he outright said that last thing out loud kek
