What am I in for?
Realizing that playing a multiplayer game by yourself doesn't make friends materialize.
>>719268437Janky controls, unbalanced roster which leaves very few viable characters, hard to master tech, only 2 or 3 fair stages, insufferable fanbase, the list goes on
>>719268437Offline? Really retarded CPUs Online? Equally as retarded players
>>719268779Oh.What are we in for?
>>719268797>fair stagesYou must be a member of this "insufferable fanbase" you speak of.
>>719268797None of that matters unless you're playing in tournaments. If you can't have fun playing as Pichu on Pokefloats with items on then rethink your life
>>719269006This. Tourneyfag play is for people who already put 1,000+ hours into the game and want to play a version of the game distilled to it's most core elements. If you are not planning on playing the game for the rest of your life then you will not experience that shit.
>>719269006>If you can't have fun playing as PichuOk.>on PokefloatsReaching a bit.>with itemsAs masochistic as always playing fox on tournament maps.
Fun game with a decent amount of content to unlock.
>>719268437I miss when smash had a nintendo museum included with itultimate is so fucking bad
>>719269935Did they actually take trophies out of the game?
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>>719269998They got replaced with spirits, which are basically just the stickers from Brawl.
>>719268437>guess i cant grab with kirby or yoshi
Why hasn't a balacing mod been made that caught on? Wouldn't it be more for to have 26 characters to play instead of 8?
>>719268437Pedophillia and grooming. Along with no deodorant. Plus shitting in water fountains.
>>719270856>Plus shitting in water fountains.What's the story here?
>>719270750it's for brawl and it's called project plus
>>719268437It's going to feel janky and unresponsive until you get used to moving around in the game which will take hours, then it'll feel smooth as butter (which will be something you've never experienced before in any other game) and you won't ever want to play a different multiplayer game again
>>719269006I play exclusively pichu on unranked and I have a lot of fun. It might be a skill issue on your end
>>719271020I've never stuck with Smash that long, but I feel like stick-flicks never feel consistent ever.
>>719270750Because Nintendo would kill any kind of mod that caught on.
>>719270163Did anyone ever like stickers and spirits?>o-ooooooooh I got the Ocelot spirit that is supposed to boost projectiles but in reality does effectively nothingThey were just too lazy to model trophies
>>719268437Just ignore all the dumb competitive shitters and play the game however YOU wanna play it, I’m sure Sakurai would say the same thing>>719268865>Really retarded CPUsLol https://youtu.be/CwDngBhmQXY>>719269935Thankfully Team Akaneia is carrying on the torch of that Nintendo Museum vibe
>>719270750>Why hasn't a balacing mod been made that caught on? Wouldn't it be more for to have 26 characters to play instead of 8?You’re reminding me of the YouTuber magicscrumpy, I miss his “Making Bad Characters Viable” videos, he’s long since gone and deleted his videos, I don’t know what happened.https://youtu.be/puNJumkuIUw
>>719270750The game is more balanced than people think, and Nintendo shuts down big tournaments that try to use mods anyway
>>719272387Because he faked his young link combo video and stole all the ideas for the series you just mentioned. So he ran.
>>719268437Way too many button inputs to play at a decent level.It will fuck your hands
>>719268437Nintendo's Best in 4-Player Action!
>>719270750With old, considerably deep fighting games that are still played to this day, the general consensus is 'let players find out how to make shit characters work since there's so much left in this game to be discovered,' and to be fair it's happened with some characters in Melee with Donkey Kong becoming a semi-viable midtier, a Young Link making top 100 one year, and a few G&Ws placing ok at big tourneys. You'll find this shit with traditional fighting games too like no one bothers to play Third Strike mods that balance the game more. Project M is an utter anomaly since it's one of the only instances of a mod ever catching on competitively. I don't disagree with buffing low tiers since there's plenty of egregious shit that holds them back due to the rush dev cycled/lack of developer foresight.
>>719273876This is cope and an overblown meme. Out of all the melee pros like 5 or less have had serious hand issues.
>>719268779Still fun tho.
Prescriptive combat design.
>>719268437It was great, but you and your friends/family had to be there. But today?, just stay away from it. A smelly cult ruined it
>>719274176This is great and all, but I'd really prefer if more of the roster was viable without having to jump through hoops (most of which are a result of being broken or badly designed).
>>719268437Genuinely fun single player content.
>>719268437THIS GAME HASN'T BEEN FUN SINCE 2009
>>719268797Controls are just tight and there is barely any buffer, makes it feel janky.>unbalanced roster which leaves very few viable charactersCharacters that have won a major:>Fox>Marth>Falco>Jigglypuff>Sheik>Peach>Ice Climbers(quite long time ago so I don't blame if you don't count but Nicki is a TOP-8 player in tourneys and has won against both Cody and Zain)>Captain Falcon>Pikachu>YoshiAlso YL was for some time Armada's counterpick against hbox Puff.Aklo uses Link against Zain's(Rank #1 player right now) Marth and has won against him.DK has won regional/national tourney and appeared in TOP-8, with Junebug getting to TOP-3 in lst year's SuperNova.RapMonster is making waves with Luigi.The "Only few characters are viable" is annoying meme spouted by people that don't play Melee.If you ESPECIALLY play comp at locals or friends, character tier list doesn't matter. I keep getting destroyed by Bowser, Pichu, and Mario mains.>hard to master techDepends on what tech. High skill ceiling isn't bad, and unless you want to be some crack Fox, you don't need to learn shit like multishines, waveshines, billion Firefox angles, or hard SDI stuff.It's up to you what you want to learn or play, there are newcomers nonstop so you aren't playing just against "1000+ hour players".All stages have problems(BF ledges, PS transformations, DL Whispy, Yoshi's Randall, FoD's plats, and FD when Marth exists). I have only very few bad experiences with fanbase and they have been handled well. One newcomer had kinda like your attitude and refused to listen to anything back and went full martyr mode saying that he HAS to play top-tier because he cannot win otherwise because the game is so unbalanced etc. etc. before being destroyed by our server's one mid-range player's Pichu secondary(and my 2-month drunk DK).Probably was just a troll but still.But as other Anon said, that is all tourney/comp stuff. No one is forcing you to play that, just play casually if you want.
>>719275456>>719270750anyone who says this doesn't care about the game and would never play itthe game is over 20 ducking years old, adapt or shut the fuck up already
>>719275737What is there to lose in having more viable characters?
>>719271575I kinda understand WoL being an Event Mode adventure, so stickers are fun... as an idea.But then you find Metal Head early and destroy everything.Modeling thropies with high definition would've been quite a workload among the amount of characters and stages.So time and priorities were the reasons. Not defending, because trophies would have been a good last update with DLC Pass.
>>719275837>I have no idea how game balance works
>>719275837Do you want an example? Look at Young Link, he is extremely good at walling people out with projectiles, but he is very bad at getting kills. As a result, he sucks. As a bad character, Young Link is cool and unique. If Young Link were a good character, he would have been game ruining cancer.
>>719275737I've played Melee for over 20 years
>>719275837Project M buffed DK from Melee and see what happened.Not every character should be as good. The rps of>Fox beats Sheik>Sheik beats Marth>Marth beats Foxis nice, with Puff and Falco as "wildcards". And as I listed above all Major winners and top-8 characters, the meta kerps changing. Yeah Fox is best, Marth has disjoints and meme range grab, and Sheik is "easy", but so what?If you balanced Melee, it would become whining competition and constant adjustments when game would get broken more and more with sudden Ness infinites or Luigi zero to death chaingrabs.And who would develop it? How could you avoid biases? How would you buff someone like Ganon? Buff his jumpsquat? Thanks you just ruined every dorf player's muscle memory for wavedashes, jc grab/upsmash, and general movement. Make him faster? Like Falcon fast? Or less? You are ruining 20 year of meta and people's muscle memory as well as combos etc. And it would ruin all tourneys before it>"If (player) back in 2018 had this patch, he would've won with (mid-tier)">"Was Ken or Armada even good when they played UNPATCHED version?"It's why so many games are unbalanced af these days despite patches. Like I want to nerf Fox recovery, but would it in the end make Melee better? Would Melee be better if every character was as good as Fox?I genuinely think not.T.mid-tier main with bad top-tier MUs
>>719276901>Project M buffed DK from Melee and see what happened>see what happenedHe's fun?
>>719276901No hitstun on Ganon until high %
>>719270750the golden age of project M was truly a special timeit was the best of times it was the blurst of times
>>719268779oh god :(
>>719270750not necessarily. The truth is balance has very little to do with whether or not a game is good or worth playing and often times interesting things can only exist due to imbalances
>>719268797How can a stage be unfair when the conditions are the same for both players?
>>719275737Yoshis grab needs a mod to make it work as it visually should (not 3d). Arguing against this is will tell me you are insane.
>>719279806certain stages are better for certain characters – on half of the banned stages puff can easily stall infinitely, for example
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>>719279806Because of rng like the fish that might kill you at random on jungle japes
>>719279806>when the conditions are the samebecause they're not
>>719274176Project M caught on because there was almost no barrier to entryYou just needed a brawl disc and an SD card
>>719270750Nintendo lawyers shit their pants if you do
>>719281887they won't even let you ban steve in tournament
>>719268437a good game 25 years ago
>>719270750>>719275837>>719279624people say "just balance the game bro" as if it's even possible to buff characters without indirectly nerfing other ones. Right now, Luigi beats Link and Young Link, but they have projectiles that can really wall him out and strong kill moves and edge guarding against him. So in a world where they get these "balancing" buffs, they might straight up win the matchup. So would Luigi get buffs as well? And how would that affect HIS matchups with other characters in the same way? Follow this reasoning for every character in the game and it would make something unrecognizable as melee.
>>719282756You're treating Melee like a sacred cow. Just because it is what it is doesn't inherently mean it's good. G&W's shield and L-cancels should work. Bowser should not have an 8 frame (or whatever it is) jump squat. Roy, Ness, Zelda, etc. should actually fucking function and not be joke characters that top players whip out for stream content.Of course the balance would change if you changed the balance. That's the point.
>>719275737Absolutely based and true
>>719283753Zain beats legitimately good players with roy. He isn't a joke character. People just need to get good.
>>719282338thats awesome. take the block faggots
>>719274268I don't disagree. I'm still lonely though.
