Soulstorm was shit.I miss my boy.
>>719320040>Anti-Corporatismpretty yikesy
remember my dad playing this and exoddus on ps1 when he used to neet all day.
>>719320146>Pro-Corporatismpretty kike-sy
>>719320146ok golem
>pretend to be the species chosen by god because the moon happens to have your hand on it>more advanced species put you in your place and show you who's the bossdid mudokons deserve it?
>>719320634I like Oddworld, but almost all instances of this type of narrative in fiction fall apart because it's a normal writer trying to do a moral takedown of the elite class that are smarter and more talented than them using QP logic and rhetoric and other things that are entirely constructed within their limited frame of reference and aren't actually sound reasoning. In 90% of scenarios like this, they deserve it.
>>719320634mudokons are the most advanced species in terms of genetics in their corner of oddworld, the sligs and glukkons are weak and shit without all the tech helping them.
Oddysee > Exodus
>>719320634the funny thing is that the hand of the Glukkons is on the other side of the moon, at least according to Lorne, although that's just one of many thousand cool lore details never seen in the games >>719321126based
>>719320040>called soulstorm>doesn't actually have any soulfalse advertising
>>719321178just realized that the moon to the right of that image is the other size and doesn't have a Glukkon hand I can't remember where the fuck I heard that
>>719320146>nooo dont make fun of the heckin corporinos!
>>719321178So this is where bioshock got it's name?Oddworld could be a little braver and name it Rapture Farms, I guess they were afraid that masses wouldn't get the wordplay.
I want to know more about pre-industrial, spritually-oriented, black magic using glukkons.
>>719321241Oddworld has many moons, I counted them once. It's like 15+ moons at least.And we know at least one of them has a Gabbit print on it.
>>719321428>Rupture as in Bleeding because it's a meat processing plantIt's better as-is.
>>719321126Why tho?Exoddus had: - blind, sad, angry, wired, drunk mudokons- flying sligs- controllable parasites and scrabs- controllable Glukkons with even the possibility of giving orders to sligs- invisibility- mine car- controllable explosive fartsand possibly other stuff
>>719320040I played an oddworld game back in like mid 2000s at a wal mart and pissed myself. Some worker had to come mop and im pretty sure people were laughing at me but i was too autistic that i just continued playing and when my parents came by to tell me we are leaving they asked what happened and i told them some kid spilled his bottle. I dont remember if my parents beat me for that.
>>719320040Exoddus was one of my favourite PS1 games.
oddysee = exoddusboth games are a solid 9/10
>>719321742What Exoddus gained in gameplay and quality of life improvements, it lost in soul and atmosphere. What i love about Oddysee is the insanely dark and gritty themes of genocide, slavery and torture, in juxtaposition with the silly characters and the slap stick comedy. The jankiness and unforgivness of the gameplay kinda played into this uninviting world they beautifully set up. It's a really unique setting, that it tried to recreate in the sequel but just couldnt reach the same level. You're right that the sequel objectively plays better, but it lost too much of the charm that made the first game such a memorable experience.
>>719321742Exoddus has some improved gameplay for sure.But Oddysey is a better game.
>>719322098Idk man
is soulstorm really that bad?
Exoddus > Oddysee.It had a decent story and superior gameplay to Oddysee, and it doesn't detract from the first game.
>>719322359Yeah.They added crafting to Abe's Exoddus and changed the entire plot to something worse.
>>719322359Lorne lost his shit and hated the old games for being too silly, so he added in all the shit trends like crafting and such, removed the screens and directional platforming, and turned Oddworld into just another generic platformer with an Oddworld skin.
>>719322359>Worse plot>Worse gameplay>Worse graphics>Bugs everywhere (savepoints often clip you into the floor, making you restart the whole stage) due to unity.>Crafting>Only possess sligs, get negative score for killing them>Sligs have no dialogue when you possess them>Abe throws gumballs at enemies who have guns, and wins>No fartingThe game is fucking stupid.
>>719320634So we're really going to have glukkon contrarians ITT?Fucking kek.The're jews m8.
>>719322359>is soulstorm really that bad?yes
>>719321742Exoddus is a good game, but the original is laser focused and has perfect pacing and tonethe problems with Exoddus are that it drags on way too much, it reuses the Scrabania and Paramonia temples with the Mudomo and Mudanchee vaults (Lorne even said this was because they had to reuse assets, wasn't a part of the original vision), the humor goes a bit too far into slapstick goofball territory with the Magog on the March and possessing farts, the Mudokon personalities really don't add much to gameplay and managing them via slapfights is pretty stupid, being able to possess every single creature takes away the predator & prey dynamic, the story isn't as good and manual saving can make the game a real pain if you save in a bad spotthe 'all o' ya!' feature is great, the roller thing is fun to use, visually it's fantastic and the soundtrack is great, but the original has it beat overallit's like that one review from back in the day (which Lorne himself agreed with), it's twice the game but half the heart. if you enjoy the original more for its gameplay than the presentation elements then I can see why you'd prefer Exoddus though
>>719322098Exoddus added a slave class of mudokons that had their eyes fucking stitched shut to avoid them from realizing they were mining the bones of their ancestors.M8 what the fuck are you on about.
>>719322976a specific* slave class of mudokonsseeing as they're all already slaves
>>719322976Yeah, and that's about where the improvements lore/atmosphere-wise stop. And that's the opening cutscene of the game.
>>719322704Ah yes. I remember being stuck on the fucking monkey bars below the train at day 1 wondering if it was me. Fucking nightmare.Not to mention the abe-following mudokons that would disappear in the level with the train that moves from the background to the foreground if you died, with no possibility of getting them back due to the fucking checkpoint.Fuck them.
>>719322359I played the whole damn thing because I love Oddworld so much. It's certainly better than Munch, gameplay wise. But that's like saying human shit > dog shit.At the end of the day, it's still shit.
>>719322535>Hates the old games for being silly>Abe throws gumballs that tie-up sligs like cartoon characters nowLorne is losing his fucking marbles. He needs people to start telling him "no".It's like George Lucas all over again.
>>719323297Is it tho? I never played munch and wanted to give it a try
>Tomb Raider makes a strong attempt at 3D cinematic platformers>nobody else even tries and TR itself went to shit and dropped that style of gameplay before long kinda mad. I'm glad regular 2D (or mostly 2.5D ones nowadays) cinplats still exist but none of them come close to Oddworld's audio-visual and worldbuilding excellence, in fact basically no game does
>>719323415Munch is actually fucking terrible.It's the whole reason I bought an xbox back in the day, it's honestly like a 3/10 game with 6/10 cutscenes.At least Soulstorm is kinda fun. Munch isn't fun at all.
>>719323109The whole exploration of the themes of drug addiction?The further look into how sligs are just barely treated any better than mudokons?M8 you're out of your mind.
>>719323415Munch sucks fucking monkey dick and the only reason it has any defenders at all is because it was one of the first games of many og xbox kids.It does good things like go into vykker culture but it's still ass gameplay-wise.Stranger's wrath is the superior xbox game but it's weird by oddworld standards since it takes place in the western hemisphere of the world.Nothing really beats oddysey and exoddus.
>>719323385But hey at least he got rid of Abe's farting so no one will think Lorne was weird, right?
>>719323809You can disagree with me all you want. It's just an opinion.But even the creator agrees with us that Exoddus < Oddysey
Hello
>>719324414yes and when he reimagined it he made an even worse game.If that isn't telling...
>>719324484Hello.
>>719324414Lorne believes soulstorm was better than exoddus. That's not saying much.
>>719324529Follow me
>>719324606Okay!
>>719324564Where has he said that? Post the exact quote please.
>>719322704Forgot to add:>gay British Youtuber cameosIt's shit.
>>719320146
>>719324865I mean, wasn't that like the entire purpose of remaking the game? To make the sequel he really wanted, the one that aligned more with the vision he originally had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeOSWLGKuaE&pp=ygUUbXkgY29uc29sZSBlaWZmZWwgNjU%3DThread theme>>719325226I thought Soulstorm was a remake of Oddysee?
>>719325226>No proofThen it's not true.>>719325381No, Soulstorm is a remake of Exoddus, making it part of the Quintology, according to Lorne, where Exoddus originally was a bonus game seperate from the quintology.New n Tasty is the Oddysey remake.
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>>719324865>where's your source huh where is your sourceI think it got lost somewhere between his opinion on exoddus and his fingers as he was tapping on his keyboard writing soulstorm.
>>719325739Thanks for confirming you couldn't prove your own claims to be true.
Why don't they get it over with, accept the fact that they're out of touch with nowadays' gaming and, like, sell the IP to a studio that's actually competent?Seriously. Only good thing about oddworld inhabitants nowadays is the hottie that makes videos on their channels https://youtu.be/oBYfNrDgjY0
did anyone even like the new games?boomers who like the originals didn't and it didn't even appeal to zoomers with all the bright flashing colors and flashy graphics even thought they were the new target audience.
>>719325825Bless your dense ass.
>>719325950I thought New'N'Tasty was fine although it did lose a bit of that art direction with the flashy lights and stuff.Only good thing about Soulstorm was the cutscenes. Looked like a movie. Maybe they should have made a movie, yeah.
>>719326017Thanks for confirming you couldn't do it.
>>719324865>>719325825Lorne and OWI have disavowed the old games on social media and their pisscord server a number of times as 'old and irrelevant' as well as shat on their OG fanbase for not liking the new games.Lorne is cooked.
>>719326291Then it should be really easy to post a link or a screenshot.I'll wait for you to get one.
>>719326291so he is just a giant egomaniac? not surprised desu.
>>719326153Even if that one faggot youtuber went fucking nuclear cherrypicking shit to cry about new'n'tasty I still sort of liked it.I like how he complains about billboards and ads being too bright and clashing with the aesthetic when they're literally just taken from the og cutscenes.
>>719326424My guy this was years ago and they're retards that post on facebook of all things. I was in their pisscord and they talked mad shit and banned people who were too vocal, and I left because they were being niggers.It doesn't matter if you don't believe me, but they do not care for the old fans, they want new fans that will eat their shit up and not complain, games workshop style.>>719326463Unfortunately Lorne let the OG fanbase blowing smoke up his arse go to his head, and he's obssessed with his image and legacy.
>>719326663>No proofSo you can't prove it? Thanks for confirming that you have no sources to validate your claims.I don't care that you don't have any, but that's the reason I don't belive you. That's all.
the 2d graphics with hand drawn assets and backdrops is timeless and will never look bad at at any point in the future.cannot say the same about the shitty 3d games.fuck you lorne
>>719326783You have any proof lorne simply believed he was writing an inferior game to exoddus after they explicitly marketed soulstorm as a better exoddus?What is this level of cope? Are you Lorne?
>>719326783The source is their pisscord. Go in there and find out for yourself.Hang out, lurk, ask questions, and find that OWI are wankers.Or you can take me at my word and save yourself the time.Or I suppose you can do neither and continue to think they love everyone.
>>719327012>You have any proof lorne simply believed he was writing an inferior game to exoddusNo, because I never claimed that was true.What is this level of cope? Are you Retarded?
>>719326867can sligs not look down or up? are they like dogs?
>>719327019>They're source is they don't have a sourceI know. They can't post even 1 (one) example to back up their claims.I'm not doing their homework for them.
>>719320040>Soulstorm was shit.True, true. It was also hard, so that might have been the issue.
>>719327114>can sligs not look down or up?No, they can't.>are they like dogs?Dogs can do both. I know it's a funny joke from Shaun of the Dead, but it's not true.>>719327174It really wasn't. You throw rubber bands and win.The only hard parts are the completely optional save-the-climbing-slaves parts.
>>719327114the flying ones can
I can't be bothered scraping multiple written and video interviews of Lorne over the years, but I know for a fact he said that when he looked back at Oddysee and Exoddus he watched streamers play it and felt embarrassed because there wasn't enough handholding, which he saw as bad designhe also said that he primarily plays phone games or just watches streamers play the new games coming out as far as the 'Soulstorm is better than Exoddus' stuff, he never explicitly said that, but he did say multiple times that Soulstorm was what he had originally intended for Exoddus to bealso can't find the list but he ranked NnT over the original Oddysee
>>719327628But you can't prove it, so I don't belive you.That's all.
>>719327080>No, because I never claimed that was true.Uh huh. Sure. And that's why I need a written declaration of Lorne himself stating that wasn't the case. What?
>>719327628>>719327726oh actually here we go, from the horse's mouth: >The following rankings and insights were given by Lorne Lanning during an exclusive interview with Dexerto.>1. Soulstorm >2. Stranger's Wrath >3. New 'n' Tasty >4. Oddysee>5. Exoddus >6. Munch https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/oddworld-games-ranked-by-lorne-lanning-1572317/?amp&__twitter_impression=true
>>719327804You need to prove your own claims to be true for me to belive them to be true, correct.Why does this upset you so much?
>>719327858DELETE THISDELETE THIS RIGHT NOWDELETE THIS DELEEEETE THIIIIIIS
The reason why the OWI people don't care for the old games is because everyone who made those old games other than Lorne and one or two artist dudes moved on.NnT and Soulstorm were made by different compnies with whole different crews, so of course those companies are going to feel 'their' game is better than the OG games.And Lorne doesn't like the old games because they were never 'part of the original vision' and he didn't like the PS1 limitations that stopped the games from being freeform platformers like NnT and Soulstorm are, except even those aren't 'the original vision' to him. The man's lost his marbles chasing this dream.
>>719327174It was hard because it was poorly made. Controls were imprecise and unpredictable.
Is the first game or the sequel or the remake the best?
>>719327858Ayy! Finally someone proves that anon's claim to be true!Thanks for doing that.
>>719328004Abe's Oddysee is great, but Exoddus plays better and is more complex.
>>719327920There's a thing such as common sense, but whatever another anon already BTFO'd you to the stratosphere.
>>719328096>BTFOWhy do you think that? I wanted him to post this. It's why I was asking for proof, cos now I can belive you.I already thanked him for posting the link here>>719328036
>>719328198M8 all you ever needed to know is he talked shit about exoddus and then wrote soulstorm.What a weird crashout.
>>719328198And since he fed you instead of you feeding yourself, now you can keep your mouth shut. Don't talk while eating.
>>719328071>more complex.oof i dislike thati want it to be funnier, cooler, and more atmosphericv
>>719328375>>719328379So why did you guys get so upset that I asked you to prove your claims to be true?Seems like a really strange hill to die on. You shouldn't belive things just because 4chan told you to. That's retarded.
>>719328387Play Oddysey, start where it starts because this is one of the few games where it matters.I introduced a friend to Exoddus once, thinking "It's more fun to play, so they'll like it more" but they just found it strange, overwhelming and the plot was nonscence to them because they didn't play the first game.
>>719328387Complex just meaning that you have better QoL changes and secrets to find.
>>719328475Because there's the tangible overwhelming evidence of Lorne writing an entire game to "rectify" Exoddus and you went fucking nuclear over wanting a tweet where he spells it out for the slowest ones in the audience (you)
>>719328475Because uppity little shits like you instead of quietly googling said claim and proving people wrong, demand to be fed like a retard and cry like a baby when you don't get your way.
>>719327947>everyone who made those old games other than Lorne and one or two artist dudes moved onI wish they still had the artists of Oddysee and Exoddus but they don't. Steven Olds was the GOAT and is responsible for most of the iconic designs we associate with Oddworld, Farzad Varahramyan was also great. Raymond Swanland, Paul O'Connor and more, they're what made OW truly shine, the team was exceptionally talented over time I've come to realize that while Lorne is obviously the main reason OW exists, it's not solely him that's responsible for its former greatness, and he's the one actively ruining the brand and has been for the last however long. ever since Munch he's been more of a business man than anything
>>719328721>>719328724>wahh wahh wahhYou guys really are upset, huh?Just prove your claims when asked. It's not hard.
>>719328785>wahh wahh wahhTime for beddy-bye.
>>719328743The more I read the more the George Lucas comparison seems fair. What a mess.
>>719328721>"you went nuclear"When? I haven't been mad at anyone ITT. I just wanted you to prove your own claims to be true.>>719328724I didn't cry and I did get my way.Nice revisonism.>>719328785lol
>>719328876Oh, are you going? Goodnight anon! Remember to brush your teeth like a good boy for daddy
>>719328939ironic considering Star Wars was one of Lorne's primary inspirations, as far as worldbuilding is concerned
It's weird how much lore this series has when there's only a handful of games
>>719326867Truer words have never been spoken.I just wish those pre-rendered backgrounds weren't potato size
>>719329302There's HD mods, idk how far along they've come.But to me it's like colourising a BW movie.
>>719329386Yeah it's AI upscaling. Not really the same thing
>>719328743I was genuinely under the impression that Lorne Lanning was responsible for the art design of Oddworld first and foremost. I assume that was intentional on his part?
>>719329450In that case just enjoy it at it's original resolution and appreciate how much it does with so little.
>>719329546He's a huge part of the art team. He is an amazing realism painter, but he's not as good a designer as the rest of the art team.
>>719327858Oh shit>>719325532Sir, you need to apologize to me (>>719325226) right fucking now
>>719329194it's kinda painful. every so often I'll look through all the art and wish the series could've stayed going strong. Oddworld feels a lot like looking through a keyhole into a giant world, you're just always locked outside the door https://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/togg/>>719329546he's talked a few times about his art background, but I've never seen any of his work in the Other section on the link above there's a section called Lorne Lanning, but on further inspection they're just old concepts from Farzad all of the art I've seen of the early Oddworld games was signed by either Olds or Farzad if you want to see what Lorne's ideas look like without artists backing him up, look at the Citizen Siege section, very generic in concept. also bare in mind that it was Lorne's intention for Oddworld to feature humans as the slaves, I believe. not sure if it was him or Olds who designed the Mudokons
>>719330219I'm surprised no one's said fuck it yet and just turned Oddworld into a series of novels
>>719330219>also bare in mind that it was Lorne's intention for Oddworld to feature humans as the slaves, I believe.Bros, don’t you hate it when those evil capitalist fourchanners enslave the innocent human race who dudn’t do nothing wrong?
>>719330219I've been craving this art book for years.One day I'll be brave enough to spend hundreds $ on something so meaningless yet so beautiful.I'll sleep with it besides me, I'll gently caress it while in my lonely bed.
>>719330537I love that cover. This is the kind of imagery that comes to me when I think “mid-2000s middle grade fiction series I can’t remember the name of”, which ultimately just means Deltora Quest, but y’know.
>>719330374eh, not sure I'd enjoy that. a big draw of Oddworld to me is the stellar presentation. seeing a scrab and hearing its fucked up screech is a lot different to reading a description of it
>>719330537>Look on sadpanda really quick to see if there's a scan>Surprisingly find high quality scans of the manual booklets insteadOdd
>>719320634The whole premise of the games is that you are destroying everything the glukkons built
>>719320146The one and only common attribute between Americans and Indians is their eagerness to suck the cock of any corporation they come across.The very notion that a government is there to actually govern and regulate seems something they cannot comprehend.
>Remember having the games on PS1>Go to the final page of the manual book insert>Saw this
exoddus version
>>719331001Gorrister’s mum in the back right.
follow me
>>719331001>>719331079damn thats a lot of white people huhgen z would not let that slide
>>719331248okay
>>719331001>>719331079dev group photos are always a sign of soul >>719331205actually scratch that
>>719330747World.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvHLWJG2WQc
>>719331001I remember this image being on the credits of the game itself.
>>719331257Clearly no black people were smart enough to work on the game.
been using this as my pape for years
>>719331409Which is weird since mudokons were basically a tribe of Africans doing voodoo rituals
>>719331925Right, because only African Americans have ever been subject to human slavery.
>>719331979jews deserved it tho
>>719332009Well, thanks for ruining the only decent thread on 4chan, hope you're pleased with yourself.
feels like no games even try to have imaginative deep worlds like OW anymore in recent years all I can think of is Kenshi, Caves of Qud and maybe Disco Elysium, although Qud is limited by crude sprite art and Disco is human-centric
>>719332559I think art direction is a HUGE, if not THE most important, factor in creating an immersive world. The other being writing of course. The problem is that both artists and writers these days are completely uninspired. I'd like to think the talented, innovative ones don't get hired in favor of more bland, corporate-pleasing suck-ups. That's why most modern movies, games, and shows feels so lifeless. Just too many suits playing it safe, not letting artists take a risk.
>>719332559nowadays it's just humanslop over and over
>>719332559>>719333135>>719333756>Always human>Always Hyperrealistic/lack of any real artstyle or personality or anime>Humor is mostly always this Marvel Movie tier "Er, well that just happened.">World is usually bland and realistic, or "what if our world but X">Lore I don't care about or can get intoAt this point, I'll stick with 20 year old vidya and indie shit that I think looks fun.This Hyperrealistic shit needs to stop because it's uninteresting, some games do thrive on the Hyperrealistic aesthetic but not every goddamn one.
>>719334010>no mention of the gameplay at allsad!
>>719332374they are literally bombing and maiming children for funnot too mention epstein the mossad agent
>>719334762They weren't talking about the gameplay either, but fine, if you're gonna split hairs, and not add>Gameplay is very boring>Mandatory guns>Mandatory faux-RPG mechanics>Usually shooters or walking Sims
>>719334820>>719332374
>>719334971For someone who has never played an oddworld game, I can believe that they'd still be at least interesting to play in 2025.At least stranger's wrath and Abe's Odyssey anyway.
Soulstorm was just as good as the other games, that being just pretty okay. Oddworld games were never amazing, nostalgia is powerful with this one.
>>719335926>>719332374Sweetheart, you hide the troll posts and carry on, you do not reply to them.
>>719336461>trollthe genocide in gaza is "trolling" to you?fucking get a grip
VIDEO GAMES
>>719336356They were peak gaming and you are a faggot.
>>719320040:)
>>719339442Kino
