Friendly reminder, it's not actually good and the bloodstain mechanic is retarded.
>>719322108>the bloodstain mechanic is retardedYou'll get over it. Geo is incredibly abundant, especially with the colosseum and all the relics scattered around the map that you can sell. >t. lost 5.5k geo upon reaching the City of Tears and quickly made up the deficit
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>>719322108Reminder that anyone who thinks dark souls invented dark atmospheres or corpse runs needs to be beaten until they stop being a zoomer
>>719322108I played it through earlier this year.The praise it receives seems very undeserved.It's not as good as Super Metroid for atmosphere and tightness.It's not as good as SotN or any of the more RPG focused Castlevanias in terms of playstyle options.It has kind of bland art, I was never excited to see new areas, compared to a wholey unique game like Astlibra where every environment is a treat.When you separate the parts out and compare them to other games in the genre it doesn't really stack up. If you look at Hollow Knight as a whole package it does better but there's still nothing that stands out. The bosses are definitely the best part but even then there are so many and not all of them are unique in how you approach them. Bloat is not good. Think Super Metroid where every single boss is entirely different from the last both visually and gimmick wise.The only way I see it getting the praise it does is from people that have only played it. If Hollow Knight is your first and only metroidvania, sure it deserves the praise. But anyone who says they are knowledgeable in the genre should know it's not even close to the pinnacle of the genre.
>>719322396Less the geo and more the loss of soul or whatever the fuck it is. Makes just going off and exploring a huge pain.>>719322593Never said it did, only that it's a bad mechanic in this instance.
>>719322396>>t. lost 5.5k geo upon reaching the City of Tears and quickly made up the deficitthen literally what's the point of including this mechanic, goes to show how much devs cared to make a good game
>>719322108Would I like this game if I had fun with Bloodstained? I liked collecting the crystals but I guess this game doesn't really have that?
>>719322668Its metroid fusion tier at best, but metroid fusion actually respects your time and isn't insanely bloated.
>>719322108>the bloodstain mechanic is retarded.It keeps you from getting co.placent, and importantly, it's funny the first time
>>719322802They are two entirely different games.Hollow Knight is basically a 2d soulslike but without any rpg stuff.
I thought you guys had Souls fatigue, why are you defending HK?
I died one time and lost like 20k moneysImmediately uninstalled
>>719322108SEX WITH MY GIRLFRIEND (male), PHANTOM, WHILST HORNET WATCHES.
>increase in Hollow Knight shitposting before Silksong release Reverse shilling?
>>719323090Hollow Knight is actually a better RPG than Dark Souls because the badge system can actually change your playstyle and what kind of actions you focus on taking while stats in Dark Souls just change which flavor of BONK you use on bosses but combat otherwise stays the same regardless of build
>>719322593no one mentioned dark souls schizo killer7 did the bloodstain mechanic first
>>719323443Hollow Knight is not an RPG and the system you described is more akin to an action game. Are you mentally handicapped perchance?
>>719323540>Another retard who thinks an RPG is about dislogue choices
>>719323443>dude giving up a badge slot just to be able to use a fucking map is like, GENIUS I tell you! It makes it waaay better then any other game ever!what the hell is wrong with Hollow Knight fans
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>>719322668Agreed. Hell, I might even like Blasphemous 1 better.
tsol mazahS
>>719323673>anon that doesn't know what an rpg is can't even spell dialogueSaying badges make HK an rpg is like saying the multiple weapons in God of War and the combo system make it an rpg.
>>719323774>Be a retard who can't infer his position based on visual cues and common sense>Developers give you a crutch>Complain for seven yearsI legitimately though the badge was a joke until it turned out part of /v/ considered it an unfair tax on their badge load out.
>>719324197>every game in the genre has a map>one game disables the map but doesn't have good enough map design to support this>shills are unable to accept a flaw in their redditard masterpiece
>>719324284Anon, you don't need the map badge to see the map, just your precise location on it. Of which it it incredibly easy to infer without said badge if you have an IQ above sub retard.
>>719324174No because weapons aren't character building. However the stat system in the new God of War partially is albeit not that good since it's mostly number crunching. Badges likewise also are but better because they have actual gameplay effects that reward certain conditions>Bu- Bu- almost every game has systems like that!Yes RPG gameplay elements are pretty much ubiquitous across most vidya these days. Because they're fun.
>>719324447By why is it an improvement this way?What fundamental aspect of the game is improved by doing it this way?
>>719322668>The praise it receives seems very undeserved.>It's not as good as Super Metroid for atmosphere and tightness.Metroid purists are fucking insufferable and tasteless lmao
>>719324727>Yes RPG gameplay elements are pretty much ubiquitous across most vidya these daysAnd having them does not make them RPGs.You're only helping my argument.
>>719323443It's amazing how much people who know nothing about Souls games have become so emboldened to opine about them.
ok, I have to ask. Linux version or WINE?
>>719324858It's only delusional HK fans.They are the Undertalers/Deltaruiners of the Metroidvania genre.
>>719324756>Why is determining your location through Landmarks and deduction more fun than just being instantly told where you areSorry, this is difficult to explain. You just have to be white to "get it"
>>719324934>they are the RPGers of Side Scrolling Puzzle Platformers
>>719325134So it improves nothing. gotcha.
>>719324756>fun is getting exactly what i want exactly when i want it at zero opportunity costLearning to navigate by landmarks frees up a badge slot
>>719324447Taxing you for genre basics is cancer. Fuck off.
Friendly reminder that OP is a niggerfaggot.
>>719322396you can sell those hallownest seals and traveller's journals?>t. just lost to the mantis lords for the first time
>>719322108I don't understand how you could possibly lose money in this game. It's always super easy to get back to your shade and killing it is no problem. This mechanic is so trivial that it would make no difference if they removed it entirely.
>>719327017>I'm entitled to having my hand heldI hope silksong doubles down and makes just looking at the map take an extra badge slot.
>>719323443>Hollow Knight is actually a better RPG than Dark Souls because the badge system can actually change your playstyleDude, I like Hollow Knight and Dark Souls, but this is a ridiculous comparison. Hollow Knight is not an RPG, it's an action adventure with different items you can find and equip.
>>719328142You just described Dark Souls, dude. Don't get so autistic about genre tags. There isn't some point of pride to being an RPG. It's just to describe the presence of character customization mechanics.
>>719328385It's not an RPG without experience points and inherent character stats. If you only grow stronger by exploring to find items, it's just an adventure game.
>>719328385A game can have 'RPG elements' and not be an RPG. HK is that, it literally has the same elements as say, Legend of Zelda. It's no where near as deep or robust as the game it's aping, which WAS an RPG.
>>719327981>basic genre conventions is handholdingNo.
>>719322108I never lost geo and I died a lot>t. just fucking kill the shadownigga
>>719322108>reddit knight
>>719328560What is the functional difference between putting stat points into a slot to have certain skills and putting badges into a slot to have certain skills.
>>719328749>A game can be an RPG and not be an RPGYeah okay, bud.
>>719328918Figure it out, retard.
Shit game for fags
>>719322108Is it fair to call a game too easy when you avoid and/or skip all the optional difficult content?
>>719328995If I put a forced stealth segment in your military shooter, is it suddenly ALL a stealth game? If I put a card based minigame in your JRPG, is it all a cardgame with a JRPG on the side? That's how you sound retard, you allocate no stats, your customization and growth is so stagnant and limited it's not even a real point towards HK being an RPG.
>>719329335>What if [totally different circumstance]The Rpg mechanics of Hollow Knight you just agreed exist are an extensive part of the core gameplay, they're not a side mission or mini game.
>>719322108>>719322668lmao, keep cryingSM is good but I don't know why you feel the need to keep clutching on to a 30 year old game, especially when it's been surpassed already in many aspects, trying to argue it has better bosses because it has less of them seems like an insane take but okayconversely I don't know why you would bring up SoTN when it comes to "options", when it's a lot more limited in terms of movesets, with a bunch of stat sticks to pad out the inventory screen, RPG mechanics add nothing aside from pointless grinding, metroid style games with one and done upgrades are way superior, but there's always the grindfags that keep crying about HK and say SoTN or Bloodstained are betterAstlibra isn't even a metroidvania, why and while charming uses weird assets that kind clash with each other compared to a consistent hand drawn aesthetic, the only thing it does well are the character designs which were done by the vanillaware guy which shows considering how good they are>>719323948Blasphemous is barely even a metroidvania, oh wow I got the upgrade which spawns in platforms, that certainly changes how I play! or the upgrade that allows me to survive the poison area or fall down in certain places, they're basically keys that add nothing interesting to the character's moveset
>>719322108t. worlds most filtered man
>>719330202>>719328995>[small handful of RPG mechanics makes a full RPG]>play coy when you know autistic summation is all you havejust stop, OoT isn't an RPG because you get more HP, magic bar and equipment which is the extent of what HK does. It's not fully about leveling up, or stat allocation, things found in oldschool tabletop which dictated what an RPG is in the first place.The mechanics present in HK are too shallow to call it an RPG, they're present but no prominent which is the problem. Yes, badge shit is a small thing to think about, that's like saying saying Alucard's cape color is indicative of anything.
>>719322108The shade mechanic is amazing>can pogo or get hit by it to reach otherwise innacessible places>it evolves with you, occasionally get surprised by it doing something new like slamming downwards or doing a great slash
>>719322668>>719324284I like how you literally NEVER see posts like this in threads with an OP that doesnt spell out the fact its a Hollow Knight thread. You literally never see people saying this shit in a thread that requires you to have actually played the game to identify it.
>>719322593What's a "corpse run"? Is that the whole "find where you died to get your shit back" mechanic?
>>719330429Yes, RPG mechanics make an RPG. I'm sorry you're not as Laconic. By your logic what is the cutoff? I might as well say nothing is an RPG that doesn't have character creation as complicated as something like Pathfinder.
>>719322108I never collected my bloodstain once in my playthru or even know what it did
>>719330835>what is the cutoff?leveling, actual player builds and variables>character creationMost JRPGs have static blank slates with set narratives, or even Alucard from Symphony. Zelda 2 is more of an RPG than Hollowknight.
>>719329225Too bloated and too diluted maybe.
>>719322108That's not very friendly at all
>>719322108I pirated the game and lost my 112% save sadge
>>719330970>GURPS isn't a traditional RPG because of muh levels
>>719331394You can level in jarpigs. You might as well should call all adventure games, RPGs. Metroid is an RPG by your logic, all Zeldas are RPGs. Hell, if your prerequisites for an RPG are just equipment and or HP upgrades, Sonic 06 is an RPG, fuck it.Your action adventure game, has nothing to do with stats, or builds, your equipment cope relies on badges, which aren't even as in-depth as 'badges' done in actual RPGs (Mario&Luigi, TWEWY).>muhyou've lost the argument 15 posts ago, but I accept your concession.
I never went back to Metroid after playing this game. No regrets.
I like Super Metroid and Fusion and played Dawn and Aria. But I couldn't get into this. It felt like the controls were buggy. Like I was on skates needing to hit pixel perfect landings. I play fighters, I can do shoryu's and land complex combos. But something about it felt off. The atmosphere felt like it was empty. Like everyone left said hive for a good reason.
>>719322108Friendly reminder: ur a faget
>>719322108I don't even remember having any issue with money in the game
>>719331578By your logic Vampire the Masquerade isn't an RPG because you don't level up.
>>719331932You only ever really have to grind for geo if you want unbreakable strength
>>719332114>has starts with builds, classes, and you get XP increases through the storywhat did you mean by this? The game literally gives you trainers.
>>719332278>TrainersWii sports is an RPG?
>>719332114Just started it. Got stuck in every door 7 min in and binned the game.
>>719332385hhhehehe
>>719332450The interactive novel is better
Friendly reminder, troon knight is just an over elaborate Newgrounds flash game from 2008
>>719333115SOVL
>punish players after death by having them lose money>any decent player doesn't lose money during a playthrough so they are left holding like 10k geo at the end and nothing to spend it onI hope they just get rid of the mechanic
>>719333115Based
>>719322108>Good game has flawsAgreed but I enjoyed it.
>>719328918Stats are permanent, they represent a degree of commitment.Equipment is interchangeable
>>719333171I remember Final Fantasy 4 on the DS helped alleviate this problem by letting the player see a girl dressed in a Bunnysuit dance around them if they shelled out a boat load of cash.
>>719330825It’s that thing Diablo invented which retards think didn’t exist until the souls series.
op's a fag, more news at 11>bloop
Hollow Knight saved the metroidvania genre
>>719322108I played prince of persia the lost crown this week and it felt incredibly freeing playing a game without bloodstains again lol, it's been so long.
>>719333171It’s there to discourage giving up easily, because the game generally allows players to kill whatever they encounter, rather than having zones that will kick the shit out of you if they go somewhere too early. A player dies, goes back to get their shade, then will likely try again rather than just think they can’t handle the boss and leave.This is also why the dream bosses don’t bother with it; you’re expected to get curb stomped on the first try, so it not being present indicates you’re free to just leave whenever.
>>719333694*hollowvania genre
>>719333171I think you forget what it's like being new at the game and possibly the genre. The average normie dies a lot and gets filtered by bosses like Hornet and Mantis Lords.
My only gripes with HK are the poor map system and White Palace. Shade is whatever since you can farm money at colosseum.
>>719322108>hmm good and popular game is actually le bad??you are a robot
>>719334429I can criticize any other game besides this one and not get 100 replies seething at me for it. Frankly HK's fans are robots programmed to deflect any and all legit criticism.
>>719333115Based! I fucking loved Newgrounds
>>719333115Inspiring
>>719334852That’s because HK chads actually have a backbone and aren’t afraid to get called a shill when they disagree with an idiot.It’s honestly pathetic that so few people are willing to defend games they like.
>>719335439>hk chads404didn't read the rest because I value my time unlike hollow knight
>>719333115I was just taking the piss but this literally was a newgrounds flash game originally the fuck lmao
>>719335550You clearly don't since you're sitting in a 4chan thread bitching about a game you don't like. Woman behavior.
