I have to be realistic, the target audience for this kind of game (just like Dragon Age for that matter) is men, straight and white. I'm talking about the majority so 60% is already a majority.They killed Dragon Age. I don't play Veilguard even if it's free.Now what about the next Mass Effect from the same studio?Mass Effect 1 and 2 = perfect.3 (which I love), we're starting to see the beginnings something.Andromeda is the beginning of the woke bullshit era.And the target audience sulked, I still remember the videos on YouTube to make fun of it.The target audience just wants a Shepard II who wants to fuck hot women (The women in Andromeda were unfuckable already) Why is this so hard for them to understand? When they're the ones who created the game. It's incomprehensible.Give us a fucking new Shepard for the 5. Thanks
>>719335693There's not gonna be a Mass Effect 5
>>719335693I don't want Shepard 2 I want literal Shepard. I'm not interested in an OC current year Bioware would shit out.
>>719335693There is some hope for the next game since:1) it's one of the directors that worked on the previous games2) Mass Effect was always favored more than Dragon age and therefore has more money behind it3)Everyone knows if this game flops it's the end of Bioware so they're less likely to do the same thing they did with The Vailguard4) All the teasers we had heavily imply the game will be set 4 years after the ME3 and the protagonist will be Shepard or a cyborg version of them.That being said the chances of it being another disaster like Vailguard are uncomfortably high so we'll see if they learned from their mistakes or deserve to get shut down.
>>719335693>Give us a fucking new Shepard for the 5. Thanksok, turns out the human government cloned Shepard in the hopes of another savior, Deus Ex style.
>>719336319They'll ruin him if they do I wouldn't mind having >>719336409as like a spin off MGS5 Venom Snake like character
>>719335693The sweet Liara with freckles and delicate lines VS Peebee in andromeda. Just why
>>719338127Why does she even have hairy eyebrows? Asari are hairless
>>719338301optical illusion for attracting human males
>>719338127I preferred Peebee to Liara. Liara was too dainty, PB was the cute tomboy.
EA will probably cancel it
>>719339641Why cancel something that can make a lot of money by just putting a badass hot guy as protag and hot women?The rest is just important choices like in the other Mass Effects, the first trilogy, with consequences and a space opera. Easy money. But Bioware will succeed in destroying the easy thing.
>>719339641They won't. Mass Effect is the only reason Bioware wasn't shut down after three consecutive flops. They shut down studios for far less.
>>719338301thats makeup, incel. and real women do the exact same shit too irl
>>719335693The franchise died with Andromeda. No need to worry.
>>719335693it's guaranteed to be dogshit. just forget about it
>>719338674>>719341254Look at Peebee, Liara's are obviously markings. Peebee has actual hair
>>719335693>ME1 and 2>perfectboth are very flawed games and if you think fucking ME3 was the start of bioware's descent you are a fool who caused the descent to happen in the first place. ME1's shooting was dogshit and the dialogue wheel gave the illusion of choice in conversations, BG2 and Kotor 1 had better dialogue. ME2 was gears of war with an even worse main story that coasted entirely on casuals liking the companions. Dragon Age had one good game, and even then it was babies first CRPG designed with consoles in mind.
>>719341746i thought u were talking about liarayeah i never noticced they gave her hair. what the fuck lmao
>>719335693why do you care about bad sequels to complete games ?its like complaining about jak lost frontier except that games a 7/10 and new shits like a 3just ignore it stop giving them free advertising
I completely forgot they even made a 4th mass effect.
>>719343048I WANT A FUCKING AAA SPACE OPERA ACTION RPG, DO YOU HEAR ME
ME4 will be even far woke and far worse than Failguard could ever conjure.
>>719335693dont get your hopes up, anon. In the board game they already made Liara a they and lost likely will turn all asari into an allegory for modern gender bullshit. >but anon, they are a mono gendered species andShut the fuck up. Who do you think will write this and what ideology will this writer follow. Yeah. Exactly.
>>719336320>There is some hope for the next game since:There's not, lol.The writer jokes on twatter about nuking Ashely, so he got the same reddot tier reading comprehension as the other Ashley haters, not much good to expect from that..Also this >>719343719It's OGRE.
>>719344165"I can't tell the aliens from the animals" truly did a number on her public perception
>>719344710>>719344165ME1 Ashley is based and felt completely real Humans meeting aliens and they're literally kumbayah
>>719335693you mean mass effect 4
>>719335693>1 and 2>PerfectFuck no what the hell?1 had a fair share of jank. I think it is easily the best game in the series.2 was the beginning of the downfall. Garbage story, eliminated RPG elements, shitty cover shooter gameplay, replaced unrefined concepts like planet exploration with a horrible mini game, characters became Xtreme caricatures (Garrus turned into Batman, Liara into a cutthroat information broker instead of a nerdy girl), exploration was reduced to minimum.
>>719335693The most fucked thing is that Veilguard was a really good base for a Mass Effect game, and with that flopping they might scramble to change the few things that actually worked.Hope they don't fall for the open world cancer meme again.
>>719339589Freak
All I want to say is that Tali is best girl.
>>719348223Liara is best my nigga and you know itMiranda is second
>>719348223
>>719336320>Everyone knows if Anthem flops it's the end of Bioware so they're less likely to do the same thing they did with Andromeda>Everyone knows if Dreadwolf flops it's the end of Bioware so they're less likely to do the same thing they did with Anthem>Everyone knows if ME5 flops it's the end of Bioware so they're less likely to do the same thing they did with Veilguardnothing ever happens
>>719348321Liara was best girl until they ruined her by turned her into a generic girlboss in 2 and 3.
>>719348223Man, Kasumi was so disappointing>look, I'm a cool space ninja and master thief with a mysterious past>I also have two sides: "I'm sad my bf is dead" and "damn Jacob is sooo hot"
>>719348223Doesn't need to be said but it is always nice to see.
>>719335693I just don't understand how you guys stayed fans of this shit franchise all this time. If the very introduction to ME2 didn't wake you guys up nothing else will apparently.
>>719336409Dishonest and trash. I'm not buying a game to play clone of X
>>719337229>>They'll ruin him if they doMore than making him a faggot in 3?
>>719340262>>Why cancel something that can make a lot of money by just putting a badass hot guy as protag and hot women?Because they won't do that, and it will underperform by 60%+
niggas just want to play as stock shepard and shoot other niggas with garrus
>>719349760And Wrex
>>719348341I don't know how many times I need to repeat it, Bioware was already dead after Anthem, but after Veilguard, EA shut down Edmonton. Bioware Edmonton doesn't exist anymore, and it's just a EA work hub now. Bioware exists as an EA label to put on their RPGs. That some people that use to work at Bioware are still part of the team that is making this next RPG, is entirely incidental, and 90% of the staff that will work on it, won't be Bioware staff, because there is no Bioware, just randos that will be moved to the ME team and will be temporarily, possibly, given the Bioware title. Bioware is gone. Like gone gone.
>>719347646>>The most fucked thing is that Veilguard was a really good base for a Mass Effect gameWhat? I fail to see anything ME in Veilguard. How ... is this a bot post?
>>719335693Zoomnigger alert>They killed Dragon Age. I don't play Veilguard even if it's free.DA died with 2>Now what about the next Mass Effect from the same studio?>Mass Effect 1 and 2 = perfect.>3 (which I love), we're starting to see the beginnings something.ME3 killed it you stupid nigger.
>>719343719Bizarre pronoun nonsense aside the board game is unironically good, I'd thoroughly recommend it.
>>719348453>get Japanese squadmate>think she's going to be kawaii uguu>used goods and wants to get BLACKEDLmao
>>719337229>They'll ruin him if they doUnfortunately I think they're pretty much guaranteed to bring Shepard and the gang back for the next game, Bioware (or what's left of it) is in about as deep shit as you can get and people's incredibly strong attachment to Mass Effect's main cast is basically the only ace they have left up their sleeve. I'd prefer a new set of protagonists as well for the exact same reason, but I'm bracing myself for a trainwreck that I will just have to do my best to ignore when it happens.
>>719350318Action focused linear levels you access from a world map, limited looting, companion focused, simple missions where the story is the focus rather than busy work. That sort of stuff.In other words, it wasn't another loot/crafting focused open world game who prides itself in the amount of tedious busywork they could cram into the game.
>>719351126If Mass Effect continues to exist, as something marketable by EA, and not just another franchise that gets shelved, bringing Shepard back is inevitable. If Bioware doesn't do it today, then tomorrow's N7 Studios (this is purely fictional, and in the vein of 343 and Halo) will do it instead. The idea that either one will do it better, is like the difference of shitting chunks to diarrhea.
>>719351775>Action focused linear levels you access from a world map, limited looting, companion focused, simple missions where the story is the focus rather than busy work. That sort of stuff.that's been the formula since fucking KotoR.
>>719351869Exactly, and the last time Bioware made a game like that was 13 years ago. So I hope they carry over that formula to the new Mass Effect game as well and don't pivot too much due to the flop. Main issue with Veiguard was the god awful writing and characters, gameplay was mostly fine(if a tad repetitive).It's ironic, at the time the linear levels and streamlined gameplay was the thing that made me the most upset at Bioware, but now with every single game in existence having to be a fucking MMO-lite with 9 million useless systems you don't want to interact with, those are the exact elements I miss.
>>719336319>I'm not interested in an OC current year Bioware would shit out.I already felt like that on ME3.I have three Sheppards and not a single fit right with what they pushed in that game.My Colonist Paragon begging other species to abandon their homes for a planet that was not even his own was pretty enraging.
>>719352490>gameplay was mostly fineI think the gameplay was dog shit.Spam attack, dodge once in a while, the ability wheel was dogshit and ruined the pacing of combat it was trying to achieve, the companions are glorified skills that you equip, the enemies were all shit, the rock/paper/scissors gameplay with "weaknesses" was shallow and uninspired, the enemies teleporting away was tedious and frustrating, there was no real challenge and you'd be better off playing on easy, at least it ended faster. It is actively a failure on the gameplay part, if the game gets better, the less you have to play it. And that includes the combat, the puzzles, and the traversal. I will concede two points to this game, the environmental design and the visuals. Level design, combat design, encounter design, puzzle design, sound design, character design, anything that includes design that isn't the environments, and anything that included or did not include player input was trash. Literally 2/10 game.
>>719352490Seems to me like a fool's hope. Main thing carrying these games is character writing and Veilguard proves they don't have it in them anymore. Everything is toothless, with little in the way of sharp edges. Characters may try and skirt the line of anti-hero but in only a performative fashion, to appeal to the audience, but without any actual questionable actions to make them interesting. Most are just nice and inoffensive. Taash might actually be the closest thing to a genuinely flaqed character they have but it feels like an annoying self-insert that exists to vomit the writer's views
>>719352583>a planet that was not even his ownBear in mind that humanity's colonies are all extremely new, humanity only discovered the mass relays a mere 40-ish years before the events of the first game. That's not anywhere remotely near long enough for any sort of truly independent identity to develop, hell unless everyone in the future fucks like rabbits then there's a good chance that the majority of people living in the colonies were actually born on Earth.
>>719353102If Bioware could introduce a new protagonist, and new characters worth a shit, they would have done it once in the 6 games they've released after ME2.They can't. The idea that they will do it NOW of all times, is naive at best.Their best chance is a mediocre game with familiar faces to push them close to EA expectations. Everything else, is just a one way ticket to the unemployment line.
>>719352959Don't get me wrong, it's still a Bioware game. They haven't really made a single game with genuinely good gameplay in their entire history as a company. But for a Bioware game I thought it was fine, main issues I had was that it overstayed it's welcome a bit, and the skills felt pretty weak and boring(at least the class I played). Compared to DA:I and it's F2P Korean MMO from 2006 combat it might as well have been a masterpiece.>>719353102Probably, while I'm glad they fired a bunch of people. The rot is too deep at this point. I think the only parts that even felt a tiny bit like "classic" Dragon Age in the game were the stuff with the Grey Wardens, the rest might as well have taken place in an entirely different universe. I think they re-started development so many times by the time they wrote the final story they were just bored of the world and wanted to write Guardians of the Galaxy instead.
>>719335693I'm just gonna take that Expanse game Owlshart is making and treat it as the new Mass Effect and forget BioWare ever existed.
>>719336320>There's hope for the next gameIf there's even one feminist, gay person, brown/black character in a position of importance, uggo-faced alien chick or a single plotline about how colonization is le bad, I'm not fucking buying it. As it stands I'm waiting at least a month regardless. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance.
>>719354003>brown/black character in a position of importanceSilly to complain about that when you have Anderson and Undina
>>719353849>They haven't really made a single game with genuinely good gameplay in their entire history as a companyI disagree. I think BG1+2 had great gameplay, I think KotoR had great gameplay, I think ME1 and 2 had great gameplay. ME2 is my favourite game of all time. I think DA:O had great gameplay, although it was a little rough around the edges a little, and had room for improvement. I can't believe we traded DA:O combat, for absolute trash, that got progressively worse with each new game. I would play Bound by Flame 15 times, before I played 5 minutes of Veilguard.
my face is tired
>>719353952I expect it and Exodus to be perfectly serviceable 6/10 games. Better than anything Bioware could hope to shit out today, most likely, but I don't expect substitutes.
>>719335693The rot appeared un ME2. Not sure why anyone continued with the other two (?) sequels. I wont even watch a trailer for a 5th title.
>Another thread where Jack absolutely wins.
>>719354180>I think BG1+2 had great gameplay, I think KotoR had great gameplay, I think ME1 and 2 had great gameplay. I think DA:O had great gameplay,You really need to play more games if that is the case.
>>719335693I wonder if it's possible to make a character like that in the next Mass Effect. With the inappropriate comments from guys etc that we saw in ME3.And that's why we love ME.
>>719354640>Give the AI a body so the player feel bad about destroying the reapers and killing their pilot's girlfriend.Sorry Jeff but she got to go.
>>719354632I've been playing video games since the 1980s.I've played Space Invaders on the arcade.I've played more than enough games.Maybe your idea of what gameplay is, should be broadened by playing more genres.
>>719335693I'm not worried about ME5 honestly, but just defeatist. I don't think it will be what anybody thought they wanted, and even if you have no expectations you'll come away from it thinking "something is just missing."So what will that "missing" thing be?RELEVANCE.Mass Effect, I believe, for all the shifts in the surrounding culture and inside EA/BioWare between 2007-2012, was reflective of a post-WW2 era society that we all grew up in - a sort of "futuristic vision of what might be, IF . . . " based on the post WW2/Cold War status quo of the world.>Multicultural humanity in space>Meet alien species who have xenophobic tensions>Climate Change esque threat that we're stalling against rather than agreeing uponAnd then all of those are resolved as people truly do come together. All racial tensions resolved and the Reapers (the climate change) are dealt with collectively through this unison movement.And then Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, and Trump got elected, and the EU's collective brain got split in half on Migration.Sorry to take /pol/ into /v/, but Mass Effect is hugely political in a very genuine sense. Not woke-political even if BioWare was already full of woketards that pushed gay romances by ME3 (picrel). But political in a realpolitik sense. It's like Animal Farm. it's allegorical. I'd even argue the Reapers are an allegory for society. They're the collective culling of "all societies" that makes the entire galaxy (or globe in our case) nothing but a walled garden, like in the Matrix. You can't escape it, and it's constantly affecting you even when you didn't realize it. But through altruism and honest efforts "the people" can combat it together and make a truly peaceful world.I just don't see that anymore. Globalization is largely represented in Mass Effect but IRL it's a complete laughing stock at this point.How is Mass Effect 5 gonna reflect these changes without pretending the entire backdrop of the setting wasn't different?
>>719354471...the getting ignored in 3 award.
>>719344840Not really. Humans and Turians went to war and were told to play nice to get reamed
>>719355016I think I lost you when you went into WW2 and shit.People need to stop drawing RL parallels between their video games and politics. It's like the threads that are trying to attach nationalities to ME races.Nobody gives a shit about your brand of politics.I want to shoot shit, make bros, and fuck bitches. That's all a video game needs to do.
>>719355016>Reapers are the climate changeI thought I was on /v/, not /x/
>>719355293Oh but the Reapers were literally called "Naziri" in early development. They are the "Nazis" but also obviously based loosely on the Machines from Matrix, and the Matrix is the very George Orwell thing, where the machines are actually controlling humans without them knowing it, by giving them a "satisfying" fake society until they realize it doesn't feel fulfilling, and wake up.The Reapers are more violently oppressive of course, but they have effectively planted the entire network that made all species gather at the Citadel.It's in that sense that I feel Mass Effect has a sense of the Orwellian because its "globalization" (all species slowly coming together) is only happening under the false premise of security when it's the Reapers (allegory for World Order) that have put them there, so that they can harvest them. And consequtively, every 50.000 years, you just get processed every time.It's a sick mix of globalization X holocaust, and the Reapers cause both.And I see that as a commentary on the post WW2 world in which we fear the TOTAL WORLD ORDER, like in Orwell or Brave New World, but we simultaneously fear the shadow of history in the Holocaust. The Reapers who haunt every new civilization based on the fact that they did in fact perform the last "holocaust", and do it endlessly.A lot of the whole trilogy has to do with overcoming the "cycle", and it was an optimistic franchise because around 2008-2012 the largely "democratic" world believed we were truly facing the end of history like we said after the Cold War.In fact, Casey Hudson said the "Crucible" was quite literal. He saw that after humanity overcomes the Nuclear War, the next event might be the struggle between Organic Life and Artificial Life. That's why he erroneously locked the ME3 ending around that theme, with the Crucible being the final blow to it. Because it's literally meant to describe the crucibles of IRL today, vs the future.
>>719356226I really don't care. It doesn't matter. Take it somewhere else.
>>719356297It's literally at the core of the franchise that you love, you dumb fuck.
>>719348223All i want to say is that they dont really care about us
>>719356360Nobody cares about your political takes. Go talk about it over at >>>/pol/
>>719356421That's the thing. EA might not but BioWare does... but they don't.Mike Gamble doesn't care about >(You)He cares about fans loving the games he's working on. He doesn't care about the games themselves or your interest in their quality or what you get from them or what you actually want. He just cares about the validation it gives him from being the one who is working on them.Which is why ME5 will be a complete and utter flop like Andromeda was, because it was made under the same false pretense of believing that you love Mike Gamble himself for being the "Mass Effect man"
>>719338127I always found Liara hideous desu. Samara and her daughters had nicer eyes and facial markings.
>>719356441Mass Effect is much more than your gay kaidan sex simulator for idiots or kink-fetishists.
>>719356565At no point was any of these things said.Fucking bitches and making bros was never about gay sex with Kaidan and whatever kinks you are imagining.
>>719356537Honestly my brother, honestly...... You have the shittiest taste I've ever seen in my life. And my life is fuller than Nathan Drake's life.Liara infinitely kills Samara and her 3 daughters.
I'm honestly torn with this. On one hand I want a good Mass Effect game because I like the setting. On the other hand I want bioware buried for good...is what I would say if I even gave the smallest of shit about either Mass Effect or bioware. It's been way too long since ME3 and barely anyone remembers or wants to remember Andromeda. People have just moved on.
>>719356725>And my life is fuller than Nathan Drake's life.Ngl I'm curious. You travel much or something?
>>719356360>>719356565>noooo, everything that has ever been made by humans is inherently political and if you don't see it you are stupidI fucked your mom, what does it say about me politically?
>>719356971In 2019, when it was just 2 years after Andromeda, people still gave a shit. In 2021, when the LE released, some people kinda gave a shit, but in 2025, after Veilguard, and the potential that in 2029 we're getting a soft reboot to Andromeda, nobody gives a shit.
>>719356725Her scalp being a different colour makes her look like she has a skin condition. Her personality and development also suck.
>>719357065My mom represented Russia, during the October Revolution, and you are the Bolsheviks raping her. Deeply anti-communist and based and redpilled.
They spent $45 million for Andromeda instead of fixing and even retconning Ass Effect 3
>>719356657Ok, but Mass Effect isn't just you and yours "alien sex simulator for idiots". It's also a game about topics that had increasingly little depth the further it got to ME3, but it doesn't change that the premise was still effective, and the Reapers are a kind of "climate change" in the story. That's also why the Council rejects the problem in 2. It's the depiction of politicians sticking their head in the sand to the world-ending issue, and the Reapers are militarily undefeatable, which even ME3 mentions over and over despite the future attempt to try and make the story about "war".It was established in ME1 that the Reapers were fought numerous times over by entirely advanced civilizations like our own, each with their own cultures and strengths, but they all fucking died... collectively. That makes the Reapers more a force of nature than a true "opponent" and that's why I liken them to climate change. They're a tidal wave that sweeps over the land, only they're conscious, and they basically control everything, like a global order, except they're causing a complete wipe, a holocaust of everyone except the ameoba of every cycle.That's not an insubstantial subject matter and it does relate to realpolitik. It doesn't make Mass Effect "political" like The Last of Us Part II is political. It's not trying to affect who you vote for, but it is very interested in its audience having a real dialogue about real ethitcal issues that are reflective of very real aspects of the world we lived in.And I'm just saying we no longer truly live in that world, so whatever the new Mass Effect is, it'll have to retroactively make the Trilogy look different, or the entire concept of Mass Effect is out of date with the course of history it's trying to predict.
>>719357065That you're pro age-gap, which is fine but it has nothing to do with any of this, unless you jerk off to the thought of the Asari or Krogan.
>>719357247>They spent $45 million for AndromedaAnalyst estimates put it in the $100m US range, a similar budget to that of DA:I.
>>719355016I still can't believe this fucker thought it would be a good idea to use Veilguard as a vehicle for his midlife crisis. It's not like EA was breathing down BioWare's neck to finally make a game that wouldn't flop.
>>719357435>Bioware in charge of not digging their own grave>Challenge level: impossible
>>719357435I want to eat Chinese food now
>>719348223>canonically masturbates to human menToo bad she shows up so late in ME2 and ME3.
>>719335693Here's the way devs are looking at it. The core audience is already guaranteed. You don't need to sell the game to them since they are already going to buy it. So instead they focus on the fringe groups. How many of them can they appeal to at once? In their mind that means a larger audience and more sales.
>>719348341They have nothing left if ME dies. Dragon Age and Anthem are dead permanently and TOR was handed off to someone else. Will be zero reason to keep them around unless they really are a money laundering front or something
>>719335693Now that the dust has settled under the TV, we all loved the Mass Effect 3 Citadel DLC, right?Starring Jack Shepard as James Bond. Good memories
>>719357579>Too bad she shows up so late in ME2 and ME3.liaradev sabotaging her
>>719357781I did like it, shame it takes place during ME3 of all things makes it clash tonally with the urgency and direness of the main game. but as a side story/bizarre more light hearted "episode" of mass effect it did quite a decent job of it.
>>719357435I bought his standalone book as well, which came out between it and DAI. It's so self-indulgent holy shit. He was often tweeting about playing LEGOs with his kids and the book is fully of passages about a black father playing LEGOs with an autistic genderfluid child.
>>719357741too bad that until last year it was dragon age that was the only franchise they had left, because andromeda killed mass effect, now we're back to mass effect being their last hope because magically it's not dead anymore, it's always the next game that will decide their fate, until it doesn't
>>719336319>I'm not interested in an OC current year Bioware would shit out.Yeah. The new generation (or old generation gone sissy) could never.
Mass Effect and Dragon Age fanbase was always trannies and basedgoys
>>719360150So explain why in the Legendary Edition they removed the scenes where we see Miranda's ass.
>>719360468I do not give a shit about your tranny game
>>719360920Thank you kindly.
>>719360468>>719360920There was indeed trannies working on Legendary Edition and that's why they censored Miranda's ass.
>>719335693>anon does not realize that good writing in videogames lasted for 10 years and will never ever return>anon does not realize that it can literally never ever go to what it once was, because the actual industry has been infiltrated and destroyed beyond repairthis hobby was fun while it lasted
