>>719346123
Hadvar.
The Legion needs as much cohesion as possible to resist the Thalmor, even as they work with them.
The Stormcloaks are just pawns, and with the Empire further weakened, the Thalmor have no opposition.

frank and charles vibe ahh post

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If you follow Ralof into Helgen Keep during the beginning of Skyrimjob, he unknowingly completes an aurbic ritual through the unbinding of your hands (untying the Prisoner from fate) inside of a Tower--symbolic of the wheel/cylinder within which all of 'reality' occurs--where a chandelier casts the shadow of an eight-spoked wheel upon the floor of the same ritual chamber containing a deer head casting dragon-like wing shadows, between the bear emblem of the Stormcloaks and the Imperial sigil.

>>719346221
>with the Empire further weakened, the Thalmor have no opposition
We'll kill the Imperials then kill the Thalmor too.

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>>719346123
Ralof
Then join the Legion anyways

>>719346351
Holy fucking kino, genuinely.

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>>719346351
whoa

even if you knew nothing about this game why would you go with the guy who is with the soldiers who just tried to execute you for no reason and not a fellow prisoner

>>719346564
let's get you to bed grandpa.

>>719346564
With what fucking army you provincial fuck?

>>719346123
I always go with Ralof because his entrance into the keep is closer and my helpless character wants to get away from the dragon ASAP.

>>719346123
Ralof and Stormcloaks because I am straight and white

>>719346757
just an honest mistake bro

>>719346351
Interesting. I never noticed that. Certainly the Keep entrance there feels more cinematic than the little dorm you enter with Hadvar, and it feels more appropriate to fight your way through Imperials in this Imperial Keep than fleeing Stormcloaks.

>>719346221
>le trust the plan
I'm so sick of this cope. Empire is completely cucked.

>>719347124
So you fatalistically choose to let the Thalmor run rampant like a cuck?

>>719346123
Ralof, because he wasn't trying to cut my fucking head off

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>could kill leader of the rebellion and end the war
>decides to execute random nobodies first
fucking idiots

>>719346221
>to resist the Thalmor
The empire rolled over and sucks thalmor toes, they are doing no resisting.

>>719346123
id go with hadvar, ralof seems like he'd purposely be aggressive but hadvar definitely has a soft anf cute side to him.
both are good looking though

>>719346123
Neither I use the mod that puts me in a random location then I cycle around till I spawn at a bandit camp then I roleplay like I'm a sex slave who manages to free herself then through the course of the game become a noblewoman with titles and prestige, then go back to the original camp and get captured and turned into a cock sleeve.

>>719347185
>So you fatalistically choose to let the Thalmor run rampant like a cuck?
That's literally what the Empire is already doing. The Nords would be just fine if the Empire fell

>>719347318
>The empire rolled over and sucks thalmor toes, they are doing no resisting.
The Empire sounds based

Who cares. They're just going to make whoever won not matter at all in ES6.

>siding with the people who were going to kill you without trial

cuck energy

>>719347479
Real tranny energy radiating off this degenerate post

>>719346757
>he personally didn't try to kill me
>he's actively trying to help at that point
>he's a soldier who wouldn't have interrupted an execution performed by superiors even if he objected
>there's a giant fuckhuge dragon obliterating everything
Huh, it's a mystery

>>719346351
DAMN

>>719346757
A dragon just appeared and burned the town to the ground. The civil war should be the last thing on anyone's mind, right?
Right?

>>719346123
Ralvar or Hadof

>>719346123
>"Abloo bloo bloo why would you join a faction that tried to kill you??"
Every faction makes mistakes but trying to cross a border that's locked down due to a civil war means you were breaking the law, so you deserved it. The fact that they're willing to give you a chance in spite of it shows why the Empire is the correct choice.

>>719346757
I have no criminal record, I'm off scot free. Why would you willingly travel with a rebel when that's the whole reason they arrested you in the first place?

>>719347234
>just obey the Altmeri Dominion goyim
nah

>>719346123
Ralof always seems like a bro in the wagon, so it's a pretty easy choice.

>>719347234
>A tiny little piece of cloth mouth wrapping is enough to stop the MIGHTY NORDIC DRAGON SHOUT OF ANCIENT WARRIOR BLOOD

>>719349646
It's the words themselves that have the power, and he's gagged so he can't speak

>>719346123
The first time I played I went imperial because I liked the idea of using power and authority to suppress an uprising, but nowadays I support the Stormcloaks because they are fighting to preserve their Race.

>>719346828
The dragonborn is enough.

>>719349857
isn't their main complaint about preserving their religion?

>>719346221
>almost had my head chopped off by these niggers but let me make my decision based off of geopolitical strategy

>>719346221
The Empire is a sicking ship and is barely an empire anymore, and anyone who thinks that the Nords need the Empire to protect them from the piss elves is a fucking retarded.

>>719346351
Damn, Todd is a tarkovsky-level genius

>>719346351
@grok
is this real

>>719348637
They didn't want to give you a chance, you fucking dipshit. The bitch in charge was just going to execute you on a whim.
Imagine being this cucked that you have to use this much mental gymnastics to justify working for the faction that already lost to the Thalmor and has literally no chance of surviving.

stormcloaks are doomed to lose anyways, bethesda would never kill the empire.

>>719350172
I mean, they couldn't even survive a civil war against a single imperial legion. And considering Skyrim is pretty much the last step in their master plan to undo the world, I think they probably stand a better chance united.

>>719346123
Some Sexlab mod I had installed lets you bang Gerdur if you save Ralof, so I tend to go with him

>>719346757
The horse thief flat out tells you that the Stormcloaks are the reason you're a prisoner and that you'd be free if not for them.
When he tries to appeal to the Stormcloaks to vouch for (You) and him, Ralof tells him to just 'die with dignity'.
While the Imperials are fighting Alduin and trying to save the townspeople, Ulfric and the Stormcloaks run away and hide.

>>719346123
Who in their right mind would go with the fucks who was just about to chop your head off for being at the wrong place at the wrong time?

>>719346351
This is 100% a coincidence but I choose to believe it is intentional because it's just too kino.

must resist urge to install skyrim. GODDAMN YOU TODD

>>719346221
>hadvar
>sorry bro we have to decapitate you even though you are not on our faggot list
>ill make sure i will send your remains home
>ignore the guy we just shot in the back and left to rot you will def get better treatment
Hadvar is the leftoid cuck in charge of executing not just wrongthinkers but anyone who isnt like them. Siding with that automatically brands you as an npc and a danger to humanity, kinda like the vaxcattle snitches were back in the day. Get ou
t>>719346757
Palatable decision if you are a cattle npc. There is a frightening amount of them too
>>719348190
>He is an npc going through the motions, i think we should side with him!
I am worried about the state of our species ngl

>>719350513
Just stop hopping the border Miguel.

Ralof, which is a shame because Hadvar is the better man with a smoother voice, but my character is always an Imperial spy, so I have to maintain cover.

>>719350496
>le guilt by association
pissmer agitator hands typed this post

>>719346123
>hadvar for free metal ingots at start
>join stormcloaks later

>>719346123
>>719346221
Only a bootlicking cuck would ever follow Hadvar.
It doesn't matter what your politics are at that moment, following the people who were about to execute you is fucking retarded.
>b-but he didn't support it!!!
Doesn't matter. He is a golem who will execute innocent people if his commanding officer ordered him to.

>>719350513
kid me had stockholm syndrome, okay?

>>719346221
Based voice of reason. Fuck Stoarmcucks.

WHy does Alduin save dragonbor ???

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>>719351064
uh uhhhh uh um uh

>>719350625
Skyrim is nord clay, some imperial jew has no business patrolling its borders

>>719350058
Isn't it a racial religion? Either way they shout SKYRIM IS FOR THE NORDS!

>>719346123
Only retards would choose right after almost getting decapitated.

>>719350058
No. Ulfric doesn't give a flying fuck about 'Nord tradition'. He's a loser who's mad at the Empire because he got captured by the Thalmor and they didn't immediately rescue him.
The entire 'Stormcloaks for Talos' situation was specifically the Thalmor playing him for a fucking fool. The Talos ban was never actually enforced in Skyrim until Ulfric had his sperg-out in Markarth, which invited the Thalmor in to 'verify suspicions'.
If Ulfric had just fone to Toryg and asked him to have Skyrim become independent then Toryg would have, and even would have done so in a way that shafted the Thalmor and kept things cordial with the Imperials.
Instead Ulfric goes full retard, murders Toryg, instigates a civil war, and invites MORE Thalmor and Imperials into Skyrim.
There's a reason half the Jarls don't agree with Ulfric; they see through his bullshit.

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>>719347124
>>719347512
Huh, if the Thalmor don't find the Empire to be a threat, and if there's no chance that the Thalmor could maintain control of an independent Skyrim, why are the Thalmor taking a hands-off approach to the Stormcloak rebellion and discreetly backing Ulfric? Wouldn't that be the opposite of what they would do in that situation?

>>719351208
>Isn't it a racial religion?
No. They follow the same religion as the rest of the Man parts of the Empire before it was cucked by the Thalmor. Talos was (debatably) a Nord before becoming a Divine, so there is a racial aspect to their issues with the Empire. But Nords overwhelmingly worship the Imperial Pantheon with some of the names switched around (Kynereth=Kyne, etc.). There is an older Nordic Pantheon but it's mostly the same as the Imperial Pantheon. And Talos isn't even in that one because he hadn't been born yet. There's also an even older Nord religion from Atmora but NOBODY gives a shit about that anymore except the Skaal kinda.

i played this game for 20 minutes and returned it because it was that fucking bad
it is utterly mogged by the witcher in all ways

>>719346123
The imperials just tried to execute me for no reason so why would i go with them?

>>719346221
This was terrible lore. TESV sucks. Skyrim doesn't even have any of the cool shit they said it did in Morrowind.

Currently playing two handed on Legendary and it's fucking awful.

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>>719346351
Holy fucking kino. Bravo Todd.

Reminder the Nords were ready to march with fresh troop of legions from skyrim when they retake the imperial city in the great war but the Empire did a versailles and you wonder why the Nords are mad. Imperial aligned cucks in skyrim are mostly civilians and merchants too, if you notice it.

>>719348637
>>719350414
When did this become about joining the civil war?

>>719346123
Depends on the character I'm roleplaying as, but I mostly go Imperial due to the TES legacy and the Stormcloaks being a bit retarded and having shit aesthetics.

i dont care about either side. i dont play nord. sort your shit out ive got corpses to plunder

>>719352808
They are more than just a bit retarded when their leader was 1 deus ex machina away from having his head chopped off and that was not even the first time he was caught.

>escape with Ralof
>explore Skyrim and its state and organically conclude what is best for the province and for yourself after seeing both armies and the nine holds at their best and worst instead of being an emotional pissbaby jumping into bed with one or the other
Anything else is simply wrong.

>>719353609
This. Even on my Imperial characters, I escape with Ralof.

Hmmm
Time for another 'Stormcloak Nord male warrior who rapes every female enemy he comes across' run, I think.

Free shit at the blacksmith vs worthless trash from the lumber mill

>>719346123
Hadvar every time. Fuck nords. Fuck stormcloaks.

>>719349974
You mean the one that Bethesda will conveniently write out of any future releases for that reason exactly?
>Oh so your Dragonborn was a badass one man army who could go toe to toe with gods? Well okay buddy, good for you, we've just released TES6 and canonically the LDB became Hermeaus Mora's raping boy stuck in Apocrypha

>>719346123
I can barely differentiate both.
I follow the first guy I see after the dragon saves my life and never look back, sometimes I end up swapping to the other without even noticing.

>>719350414
>They didn't want to give you a chance, you fucking dipshit
you were caught with fucking osama bin laden
of course they don't want to hear your dumb bullshit

imagine if in tes6 skyrim is annexed by the thalmor with no explanation as to why and how the war ended

>>719353730
It just makes sense. I almost have to wonder if Ralof was the only option initially but ""playtesters"" would hear his suggestion to join the Stormcloaks after and take it as gospel instead of just thinking for themselves.
Hadvar's version really feels like an afterthought. The torturer in the dungeon should absolutely never be left alive in any circumstance. You start the game by seeing the Empire at its absolute worst and are later introduced to characters that argue for the good the Empire provides (or at least argues against the Stormcloaks).
Is the Empire's good worth upholding even after you've seen the rot? Can you see the silver beneath the Stormcloaks' rust? Is the world worth fighting for even after the kalpa has overstayed its cycle?
These are the questions the Dragonborn has to confront to find their role in the world.

>>719346221
The tha***or will have a harder time dealing with a free north.

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>>719346221
This. In fact the part about the Legion is literally hammered into your head over the course of the game's narrative.

>>719351652
>discreetly backing Ulfric
That's not exactly what's going on. They were feeding Ulfric bad intel or something to try and manipulate him but he got loose and now he's considered a compromised asset. Ulfric was supposed to be their chained dog but he broke the leash and the hot civil war he's prosecuting isn't actually in the Thalmor's interest. Or at least it's not going down in the way they wanted.

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>>719346123
Ulfric of course!
>t. AltmerChad

>>719354829
No, they weren't "feeding him intel" and he didn't "get loose."
He was a captive of the Thalmor and indicated under interrogation his desire to sow rebellion against the Empire in Skyrim, so they explicitly, intentionally freed him so that he would do so. The Thalmor wanted a Stormcloak rebellion and knew Ulfric would give it to them, which is why they let him go. He is not a compromised asset, he is doing exactly what they intended for him to do.

behaad all empire niggers. The empire died with Martin. Anyone who supports its propped up corpse is a nigger.

>>719346123
Hadvar/the Empire, because the lore's gay and lame and will probably change come TES VI and red is my favorite color.

>Fight for the Stormcloaks as a non-Nord race
>Win them the war
>Talk to Stormcloaks
>They still treat me like I'm good for nothing
That's when I realized it's literally pointless helping any of these whiny victim complex cucks and decided to chop their heads off.

>>719347234
He's standing in the middle of an Imperial fortress surrounded by Imperial soldiers armed to the teeth as well as archers. Why the *fuck* would he think something like, I don't know, a flying fire-breathing lizard would show up and ruin the execution? The whole point of them rushing to Helgen from Darkwater Crossing was precisely to execute Ulfric ASAP before Elenwen could stop them, as it was the nearest Imperial controlled location given the whole east of the province is allied with the Stormcloaks. Executing Ulfric last was for morale: make him appear weak as his men all fall one by one and he can't do shit, and also make it doubly clear that this is a judicial execution and not a rushed amateur job.

>>719347318
Speedreader

>>719350172
>"the Empire will fall any day now!"
>Septim Empire lifespan: 433 years
>Mede Empire lifespan: 179 years
TES6 will come out, the Empire will still be a thing, and people will keep posting "dude the Empire's about to crumble, next game for sure" until TES7 comes out in 2042

>>719350452
For some reason people believe Wulf's dialogue is still relevant 23 years later instead of the truth ie it was meant to reference Oblivion's original story before it was retconned, back when the Empire actually would have ended

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got stones in your ears? i asked which side you were on, greymane or battleborn?

>>719355974
Grey-Mane
Clan Battle-Born alone would be reason enough to never side with the Empire, fuck those cucks.

>>719346123
Hadvar works with a nigger girlboss that want to kill you just to make things easier....why this is even a question?
always choose Ralof

>>719346757
he said he was sorry :D

>>719356117
>lenin be like

>>719355974
I side with the Greymanes because they aren't incestuous fucks like you sister-fucker.

>>719355104
I went back and read the dossier and you're right. He's listed as 'dormant' is part of what I was thinking of. The part I was half-remembering is that they also don't want the Stormcloaks to actually win the war, so the Dragonborn siding with them and kicking out the Empire is still a loss condition for the Thalmor.

>>719349974
I don't think you realize how powerful the Thalmor are that this small, initially rebel, army from the Sumerset isles could just punch their way through the ENTIRE imperial army.
Every single one of them is a trained battle mage, if they gang up against the Dragonborn, even he won't have a chance.
Talos only managed to conquer them initially because he had the power of hyper-magical artifacts... like a fucking mecha.

Cringe retard :
>The Stormcloaks deserve their independence! Skyrim truly does belong to the Nords! Banning Talos worship was the final straw!
Wise archiwizard of the Telvanni:
>The Nords are only crowing about independence now because the Empire is weak and they were too chickenshit to push for it before.

>>719348871
You have no criminal record and yet they still sentenced you to death. Why would you put your trust in them?

>>719354685
They removed huge chunk of the intro because it massively biased playtesters towards Ulfric. Also it was already too long a slog as it is.

>>719357061
Hadvar isn't "them". In the moment, he's a survivor, like everyone else

>>719350496
>implying the imperials would listen to the stormcloaks if the vouched for your and the horse thief's innocence
The imperials decided your fate. Not the stormcloaks.

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Reminder the Numidium is still chilling at the bottom of the Iliac Bay after the Warp in the West. Reminder Todd could bring it back if TES VI takes place in Hammerfell.

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>>719357061
>>719354601

>>719357170
He IS one of them. When his captain made her decision to sentence you to death, he accepted it and told you to walk to your death "nice and easy". Tullius was there as well and never inquired as to why there seem to be prisoners who are wearing rags instead of stormcloak armor. At that moment, there was no reason for you to trust anyone wearing an imperial uniform, as they clearly tried to kill you, an innocent man, and they were all complicit from the top to the bottom.
I'm not even on the side of the Stormcloaks. I always pick the Empire, but if you're actually immersing yourself in the situation, you'd quickly realize how nonsensical it is to go with Hadvar, just because he stopped trying to kill you in a moment of confusion. How would you trust him not to deliver you to a headsman again once order is restored?

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>>719346123
The one with the cooler aesthetic

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>>719357328
>me entering this guy's estate in ESO and having my Anuic animus instantly, violently hoovered out of my body by a giant Walking Brass that's shouting NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO in Dwemer tones

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>>719356331
the funny thing is nobody ever apologized for trying to execute you. rikke never even admits that it was a mistake

medetards are the biggest cucks in tamriel

>>719357478
I almost always side with imp in thr xivil war quest, pretty much my experience as well. also you can fuck Gerdur if you side with Ralof but that's beside the point.

>>719357519
Based fellow Stormcloak

>>719346351
Bravo Todd

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Who cares about the civil war? It's red vs blue bullshit with no consequences.
Here's some actual choices.

>Who do you give the totem?

>Hlaalu, Redoran or Telvanni?
>Aundae, Berne or Quarra?
>Werewolves or Skaal?

>Mania or Dementia?

>Let Partysnacks live or kill him?
>Skull of Corruption or Erandur?
>Destroy the Dark Brotherhood or join it?
>Let Cicero live or kill him?
>Volkihar Vampires or Dawnguard?
>Thirsk or Rieklings?

What were yours?

>>719346757
>turned loose in unfamiliar and dangerous world
>hmmm should I get the authority figure to owe me his life and put in a good word for me or take my chances with the deathrow inmate

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>>719346351
TOOOOOODDDDDDDDDD

>>719350615
>Hadvar is the leftoid cuck in charge of executing not just wrongthinkers but anyone who isnt like them
Actually he was executing an illegal border crossing alien, so he's very based and redpilled unlike that bad hombre the "Dragonborn" who is, of the modding community is any indication, a murderer and a rapist and clearly not their best.

>>719346221
>>719346564
or

or

the Stormcloaks create an independent Skyrim, negotiate favorable terms with the Empire, and ally with it against the Thalmor for round two. The only actually good result for the Thalmor is the civil war continuing without end, a speedy resolution for either side is bad and for an openly Talos-worshiping Skyrim de facto led by a Dragonborn is probably even worse
>bbububt he's muh asset!
insofar as he had contact in custody and the Thalmor thinks the status quo of a sustained manpower draining insurgency is useful, they have no actual controls in place and as soon as the situation resolves with Ulfric in power he becomes a massive problem no different than CIA niggers losing control of the Taliban

>>719357687
>Stormcuk
>backwards illiterate farmer
Checks out

>>719346123
Ralof. he doesn't judge

>>719357828
I always give the totem to my boy Zurin. Evil undead boogeyman that secretly defends the empire from the shadows through unsavory means is a favorite trope of mine.
Thadon needs to die so I can tap demented pussy.
Why choose Erandur when I can have another unique item to put in the chest and never use?

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>>719357828
>Here's some actual choices.
>Who do you give the totem?
lol

>>719358117
Shit like this is why I like alternative start mods. Yeah they can be a little janky but honestly the vanilla start is just weird.
Surviving the shipwrecked start with Frostfall was also a fun challenge.

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whichever one lets me kill more

>>719358202
I don't know what you said but I'm glad you agree hat Stormcloaks are better.

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>>719357662
Hadvar apologizes right after you make your character dumbass

>>719358363
>We're sorrryyyyyyyyy

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>>719358346
>that grass
lmao this nigga thinks he's in Cyrodiil

>>719350058
>>719351807
If you side with the Stormcloaks, go talk to every Whiterun NPC and ask them how they feel about Stormcloaks being all over their city.
tl;dr, they fucking hate it because Stormcloaks are hyper-racist and refuse to do any business with non-nords.
Several NPCs mention the Stormcloaks stationed in town steal shit, molest the women, and smell like shit.

>>719358716
this nigga boots up skyrim to stare at grass from up close instead of going outside

>>719354952
thicc

they shouldn't have put ulfric in the cart with the player right at the beginning, i could never take him seriously after seeing him tied up like a bitch

>>719346123
Ralof, obviously. Even if you later decide to join the imperials, there's no reason to side with them 10 seconds after they were trying to execute you.

>>719354685
That's sort of the point though.
Stormcloaks:
>See them at their best at the start of the game
>But their reason for the Civil War is retarded and they're racist toward fucking everybody
Imperials:
>See them at their worst at the start of the game
>They're the rational ones trying to keep everyone together regardless of where they came from, including the Morrowind survivors

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>>719346351
Wtf. How did you figure that out!? What does CHIM feel like Anon?

>>719357828
(1/2)
>Who do you give the totem?
Doesn't matter because Warp in the West, but either the Emperor or the Underking. Former because it was my job from the get go and as far as Daggerfall specifically is concerned I'm not entirely sure I can trust Gortwog fully, latter because hey it is his 'heart' and right to die
>Hlaalu, Redoran or Telvanni?
Redoran for the same reason I like Skyrim's Companions so much: I'm a sucker for "muh honor" warrior retards
>Aundae, Berne or Quarra?
Aundae because Darksun Shield
>Werewolves or Skaal?
Fuck Hircine, all my homies hate Hircine
>Mania or Dementia?
Dementia, I like its gloomy aesthetics more and also the Ruin's Edge is tied to that side
>Let Partysnacks live or kill him?
I unironically really like Delphine as a character and feel she's one of the best written NPCs in the game but fuck me did Emil or whoever wrote that quest make absolutely sure to write the Blades like fucking retards. They *could* have a good point, about Dragon Mario's past crimes and how he's changed the Greybeards into a Voice cult but the way they argue their point is SO fucking bad it's unreal. I cannot see any casual Skyrim player ever siding with them, even if coming from Morrowind and Oblivion the idea of rebuilding the Blades is rather cool
>Skull of Corruption or Erandur?
Erandur. I have no need for another random artifact I will never ever use and will collect dust in a chest in Breezehome. I also spare the Mythic Dawn descendant over using Mehrunes Razor unless I'm specifically going for a morally corrupt character RP
>Destroy the Dark Brotherhood or join it?
Join it if I go with the above, ignore it if I play a moral character. I like to think my multiple characters exist in the same world each doing their thing, and I know for a fact the Dark Brotherhood will have survived by TES6, so I see destroying them like killing Neloth in TES3

>>719350576
yeah, no way someone was thinking that hard when they made that room

>>719346351
there was no shadow in the original game

>>719357828
>>719359156
(2/2)
>Let Cicero live or kill him?
Astrid is hot but a retard nonetheless. Cicero gets to live
>Volkihar Vampires or Dawnguard?
I've only ever joined Volkihar twice: my very first playthrough in 2012 and when I decided to get all the achievements for the Special Edition. I never see any reason to go with them when the narrative flows more seamlessly with the Dawnguard. Also, >>719024330. I wrote that
>Thirsk or Rieklings?
Siding with humans against a stone age gaggle of blue goblins is a no-brainer, also they rebuild the place. I do reveal their leader to be weak in the later quest, though. One thing doesn't excuse the other

>>719358363
>i'm sowwy you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. now DIE kinsman the thalmor here and want to watch
absolutely niggerlicious

>>719357828
>Destroy the Dark Brotherhood or join it?
Destroying it nets you a piddly few thousand septims and cucks you out of a bunch of unique items. Joining the Brotherhood nets you upwards of 20,000 septims and gets you a schizo clown follower.
It's a no-brainer.
>b-but my goody two shoes RP
Fuck you, Skyrim is the Dragonborn's playground.

>>719359156
>Sparing someone from the Mythic Dawn
>Ever
Motherfucking niggerfaggot, what the absolute fuck are you doing?

>>719358186
>Stormcloaks
>negotiate
Anon, they're the most racist fucks in all Mundus. They are somehow MORE racist than the fucking Thalmor. They aint negotiating SHIT with a non-nord. They won't even BUY from non-nords.

>>719359538
>t. dungmer refugee

>>719359470
The "Mythic Dawn" hasn't existed for 200 years that shitty Creation Club quest is not canon. The dude with the Dawnstar museum isn't a Mythic Dawn cultist, he's a descendant of one that's two centuries removed from the Oblivion Crisis and so collects memorabilia because he thinks it's neat. It'd be like being a descendant of John Wilkes Booth and tracking down his clothes or gun. The dude gets spooked after you defend him from daedra and realizes he played with fire.

>>719359631
>t. shit-smelling nigger thief wearing soggy bearskins

>>719359538
more-racist-than-Thalmor fucks famously giving refugees from Morrowind shelter

>>719359538
>they're the most racist fucks in all Mundus. They are somehow MORE racist than the fucking Thalmor
I wish this were true

>>719359672
Yeah sorry apologist, I aint giving up the best dagger in the game.

>>719359538
>>719359681
DAT'S HIM OFFICAH

DAT'S DA KNIFE-EAYUH'D BLOOD EYE'D ROCK GARGLIN' ASH NEGRAH DEFILIN' OUAR HWIYUT SKYRIM, I SWEAYUH BY ALLA TH' GOOD DAEDRA

>>719346351
I kneel Todd.

>>719359538
>They won't even BUY from non-nords.
Two altmer (aka literally thalmor race) merchants in Windhelm with zero issue, plus another altmer owns the stable. Sounds like a lotta grayskin cope to me.

>>719359074
And it's a point that many people in this very thread choose to disregard.
Realizing the rebels aren't the plucky freedom fighters you thought they were is always a kino plot point.

>>719354685
My first three playthroughs i didn't even know that you could escape with him.
>""playtesters"" would hear his suggestion to join the Stormcloaks after and take it as gospel instead of just thinking for themselves.
Just have someone in Rivendell contradict him. Maybe a Stormcloak having second thoughts rather than a died in the wool imperial, which would also mirror how first time Elder Scrolls players (and probably your character) would feel. Could even turn it into a whole questline.

>>719360054
Ask the Whiterun merchants about the effects of Stormcloak occupation.

>>719359538
Uh based?

>>719360193
>Rivendell
I know Whiterun looks like Edoras, but...

>>719346221
>Seceding from the Empire over disgust for the White-Gold Concordant and taking the fight to the Dominion, white people - >:(

>Seceding from the Empire over disgust for the White-Gold Concordant and taking the fight to the Dominion, black people - |:O

>>719346221
low effort ragebait.

Stormcloaks are based gigachads and the empire is a bunch of cucks. They’ll let in a ton of illegal redguard immigrants who will commit crimes against imperials and Nords.

Ulfric Stormcloak is the only man in Tamriel that can stop this madness and defeat the (((thalmor))). If the empire wins, the common Nord will be drafted to fight for the thalmor while the elite are feasting in their golden towers.

>inb4 b-but the thalmor dossiers!!!
The thalmor dossiers don’t exist. Are you still talking about those dossiers anon? we have so many problems. Fighting the empire, deporting the dark elves from windhelm.. so many important problems yet you’re still talking about the dossiers…

>>719360054
Stormcloak haters have never played the game.

>>719355585
>capitulated
>banned the worship of the Ninth divine
>thalmor freely traipsing across the empire imposing their whims

>>719360201
adrianne avenicci? she doesn't receive business from the stormcloaks because of her father kek

>>719346351
Holy shit.

>>719360201
>Garrisoned soldiers do things that literally every garrisoned army in history have done

Wow, it's literally fucking nothing. Look what the occupying Union soldiers did in Fredricksburg.

>>719360351
This. Redditors love the Empire and shit on Stormcloaks, but when you bring up what happened in Hammerfell they act like Skyrim can't just do the same thing

>>719360569
And she say they still buy from them because of her husband

>>719360351
>over disgust for the White-Gold Concordant
That's why it took them 25 years to do so? The Redguards did it essentially immediately, and with help of the Legion itself might I add

>>719360351
you have to understand that the majority of empire supporters dont actually care or even know about the politics of the civil war, they just dont want to side with the white nationalist faction

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>>719356698
Me? I'm a Parkside-guy.

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>>719360569
>>719360693

>>719360705
Funny because back in 2011/12 pretty much everyone joined the Stormcloaks because they were normies and drank the "muh Nords muh honor muh Skyrim" kool-aid. You know it's true if you were there, nuance and the Empire as an actual choice are things that came about later on. Like people finding out Saadia's bullshit in her quest.

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>>719346351
I will mantle Shor and bring and end to the Thalmor and the Dominion.

>>719346351
wtf is aurbic?

>>719346351
IT
JUST
WORKS

>>719360695
The legions stationed there which were mostly local troops deserted their posts and disobeyed orders to be recalled and the Empire threw their hands in the air and said there's nothing they could do about it. Which is the same thing they could've done after Ulfric killed Torygg, just called it a dispute between Nords, but they instead invaded to bring them back in heel because they're cucked and compromised

>>719357478
>How would you trust him not to deliver you to a headsman again once order is restored?
What reason would he have to do that?

>>719361002
lurk a lot moar

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>>719361002
https://youtu.be/p5J9jNGTpSc?si=zblAh94GqcmJVUmR

>>719361204
Allinall is a traitorous faggot in every sense of the term. May his intestines display a glorious flesh garden for the Ayyyyyyylied.

>>719361287
qrd?

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>>719346351
>Vivec said, 'Reach heaven by violence then.'
>So to quiet his mind the Hortator chose from the Fight Racks an axe. He named it and moved on to the first moon.
Lesson 16
>The Hortator was still trying to subdue the heavens with an axe
Lesson 17

>>719361287
Did he sperg out because he didn’t want to be “the TES guy” even though that was most of his work aside from some shit with Berserk and side stuff? Or was it something else?

>>719360910
>brags about her father being her puppet in the jarl's court
>may have inadvertently caused the battle of whiterun
the nords keepin' a nigga down n shiiiet

>>719361328
said he only liked TES for the lore and everything else about it sucked and said he would never make anything TES-related again
fucking nigger (him not you)

>>719346351
Lorkan/Shor won. Piss skins lost

>>719361328
>animator makes a bunch of TES shit based lore and C0DA
>suddenly deletes it all
I don’t know what goes on beyond that.

>>719361072
>deserted their posts and disobeyed orders to be recalled
Anon, General Decianus outright allowed it and condoned it
>is the same thing they could've done after Ulfric killed Torygg
Torygg was Ulfric's ally, and Ulfric repaid him by Shouting him to the ground and stabbing him in the heart after drawing so much attention to "muh Talos" post-Markarth Incident that for the first time in more than two decades, people had to hide their Talos shrines from new Thalmor Justiciars brought about by his shit flinging

>>719361391
There really should've been a speech and quest check to convince Balgruuf to join Ulfric

>>719361405
>actual secondary
I see
shame, I liked horror surf

>>719361391
They're Imperials anon, not Redguards.

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>>719361002
Aurubis = Universe
Aetherius = Heaven
Oblivion = Space and Hell
Mundus = Solar System
Nirn = Earth
Tamriel = A continent

Aurubis is represented by a wheel, it's spokes are "the towers" (which are both methaphorical and literal) which hold reality in shape. Examples of the towers are the White-Gold Tower, Red Mountain and Throat of the World. Looking at the wheel sideways reaveals the letter 'I' as in you, which makes you realize that the world is a dream.

>>719346123
Hadvar though I side with Stormcloaks. Something about Ralof pisses me off

>>719356698
DeWalt myself
First drill I bought was a dewalt, then I bought sawzall, so I had 2 batteries. then I had to buy another drill, so it just kept going like that

>>719360851
never even heard of parkside

>>719354952
Look at this dude

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>>719361658
Don’t just tell him. He has to figure it out himself by someone telling him. And then he will tell someone else and tell them to figure it out themselves.

>>719361675
Weird, it's normally the opposite ie even if you're to join the Imperials, it makes sense to escape with the other prisoners over being an Uncle Tom

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>>719354952
Back to /tesg/ with you, foul creature.

>>719360343
Riverwood. It's been a minute, and i'm reading the books.
>>719360982
I'm pretty sure most people joined the Stormcloaks, but hardly anyone actually did the quests. The people who seeth over Stormcloaks probably do so as some way to 'make up' for joining them back in the day.
I think most people wanted to either become king themselves or put Bulgruuf on the throne.

>Started off as an Imperialcuck
>Read 'The Great War'
>Realise how fucking stupid and incompetent the Empire became after the Septim dynasty ended
>Now a StormCHAD

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>>719361573
I greatly enjoyed the pelinal song/video, what a fate.
>>719361658
I AM AND I ARE ALL WE

>>719361971
based and true nord pilled

>>719346123
they're both chads you can't lose with either

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>>719361287
SONG
ENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDS

>>719362130
>>719362130
https://genius.com/All-in-all-pelinal-lyrics why does this exist lol

>>719359538
>are somehow MORE racist than the fucking Thalmor
I mean, that is kind of true?
Like Nords have partaken in TWO elven genocides, while the Thalmor are barely trying to wipe out humans.

>>719362130
did this fag take it off utube why can't i find it?
>private video
he really had a meltdown

>>719362476
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/748601

>>719361967
I remember I joined them as used the resistance to frost potion they gave me immediately after venturing north of Windhelm because I thought the game had survival-ish mechanics and I needed to protect myself from the weather, not just an enemy's frost attack
I miss that shitty computer that took 5 minutes to load every room

>>719362508
thank you my brother from another kalpa i have to go out of my way to download this fucking video what a ride

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Why is the prisoner transport arriving from the Pale Pass?

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>>719362130
>Fourty thousand six hundred and ten
>Fifty thousand six hundred and ten
>Sixty thousand six hundred and ten
>Seventy thousand six hundred and ten

>We are not jews!
>Beastfolk called the French!
>Spare our lives!
>To you we plead and plead again!

>Eighty thousand six hundred and ten
>Ninety thousand six hundred and ten

>MEEEEERKEEEEEL

>Hundred thousand six hundred and ten
>Two hundred seventy thousand and --

How did he get away with it?

>>719358813
How does that conflict with anything I said about the Imperial religion not being a Nordic racial religion?

>>719362778
I forgot the details, but Ulfric got lured down to Darkwater Crossing and Helgen was the nearest Imperial Outpost or something.

>>719346351
Put me in the screencap xD

>>719361476
>If you let your enemies slowly suppress your culture, you win

>>719362952
That wasn't really the question, but I appreciate your response my man.
Darkwater Crossing is east of Helgen, Pale Pass is south (it's the border to Cyrodiil). Transport arrives on the road connecting to the latter, instead of the former.

>>719363151
Maybe they took a longer route through controlled territory to evade rescue attempts

The Legion's girls are cuter

>>719362339
Because it just works. Every line in the song equates to an event that happened in the life and times of Whitestrake.
>the opening sequence is spoken from the words of an Ayleid king who has submitted under the pain of death to the might of the Alessians. His once proud state of Nenalata is reduced to a vassal. Will eventually be subject to a purge lead by extremists of the Monkey Truth in an attempt to separate the elvish aspects of Akatosh. So he can be reborn as a god of man.
>verse 1 speaks of Pelinal a warrior wearing the armor of a crusader knight coming in from the stars into what is effectively the late Copper Age/early Bronze Age with magic
>Huna was his lover originally a slave of the Ayleids who managed to not get turned into a flesh garden
>Verse 2 speaks of the numbers piling up that Whitestrake is personally striking down as he cuts across the world in a blood frenzy
>after losing Huna be enters periods of genocidal madness that requires direct intervention from the Eight Divines to snap him out of it. During one of these bouts he starts genociding the Khajiit seeing them as a form of elf
>Verse 3 the numbers continue to mount
>in his duel with an Ayleid warlord named Haromir of Copper and Tea he tore out his neck veins with his teeth while shouting the name of Reman. A king that won't be born for another few thousand years
>The outro is a direct quote from Pelinal himself when he describes his state of mind during the bouts of madness.

>>719361476
>Torygg was Ulfric's ally
Where is this said? The only thing ever mentioned is Torygg secretly liked Ulfric, and the Sybille saying if Ulric demanded an answer, then he most likely would've said Yes.

>>719363076
>do nothing for a quarter of a century
>surprisedpikachuface.avif

>>719362686
>i have to go out of my way to download this fucking video what a ride
You should be doing that anyway because you can't trust that it won't be there tomorrow.

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>>719363256
There's no road. I've checked, because I'm a turboautist. I just like bringing it up because it's literally the first 30 seconds of the game and already nothing makes sense. Just shows how little they cared while making this game, nevermind the technical issues.
While I'm ranting...
>Darkwater Crossing is nowhere near any border
>Ralof/Hadvar explicitly mention you were caught on the Cyrodiil-Skyrim border (same as us, and that thief over there) despite it taking place at Darkwater Crossing
>The Pale Pass is canonically closed and has been for the majority of the Civil War, which is the given reason for the lack of or delayed Imperial reinforcements in Falkreath, so the theory that they passed through Helgen, then turned around makes no sense
>Hadvar mentions he thought the transport was heading to Cyrodiil but stopped in Helgen, meaning they never theoretically passed through anyway, but also how does he not know the Pale Pass is closed?
Again, this is (mostly) all information that is given in the first 5-10 minutes of the game. Like nobody on the writing staff ever communicated, nobody on the team read the script, nobody even played the game. Crazy shit. I still love Todd, but damn.

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>>719346351
what?

Hadvar seems a little more decent. He tries to talk to the Stormcloaks instead of just ambushing them like Ralof does the Imperials. You can forgive Ralof though as the stormcloak situation is more precarious at the moment and that imperial bitch had it coming.

>>719363880
Pevk

>>719363151
The road the Pale Pass connects is the closet way to Helgen from Darkwater Crossing.

>>719363934
>when he talks about his nightmates as a kid about dragur ragdolling down the mountain from Bleak Falls Barrow
Cute

>Feel a UESP binge coming on
>Go to the site
>Eyes immediately raped
>Binge gone

>>719363603
yeah but it's funny because (rap)genius.com originally began as a rap lyrics website that turned into a(n) any song lyrics website (ran by faggots) and now this video game song is on there

When I first played the game, I was initially going Team Blue because Team Red were going to execute me, but after learning how Ulfric fucked over the Reachmen when they were being peaceful on their own native land and fucked over the High King by pulling a cheat move out in a challenge instead of fighting him like a man, I just can't side with the Stormcloaks.
If their leader wasn't such a scumfuck, I might be sympathetic to them having grievances with the Empire, but fuck Ulfric, man. Dude's an irredeemable prick who deserves an Imperial spear up the ass.

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>>719363961
No, it's not. Pic related. Helgen is in the bottom left. The road you approach from is the south fork that leads exclusively to the Pale Pass. You even see the east fork that leads to the Darkwater River, where Darkwater Crossing is located (not pictured, but it's just north of the Eastmarch-Rift border) during the introduction. Two NPCs are walking on it and awkwardly intersect with the transport for some reason.

>>719364371
Inb4 Fandom'd

>>719346221
>what is the Skyrim DB questline
The Elder Council couldn't even get their shit together and decided to rather assassinate their own emperor.
The Empire is cooked with or without Skyrim.

There was also the Synod from the College questline that was more busy hoarding magic stuff.

>>719364491
Ah, I think I remember now. They were going to take Ulfric to the Imperial City, but Tulius wanted to execute him now. It's cut content I believe, but you were suppose to hear Tulius and Elenween or whatever her name is, arguing over it in the intro.

>>719364628
doubtful
they've been around for quite some time, it's its own thing; not a video game wiki website it's a song lyric website

>>719364882
I wouldn't put it past them desu. If something has a habit of topping the SEO lists regardless of its niche Fandom will find a way to claim it. Delaware fucking shits are a plague on this reality.

>>719364419
The voice is a perfectly legitimate weapon in a duel.

>>719347185
Stormcloak Markarth actually kills the Thalmor guy in the palace and you can find his body.

Siding with the Stormcloak denies the Thalmor from just doing whatever the fuck they want in the region except for the Embassy and the coastal fort where they hold the Whiterun Grey-Mane guy because Bethesda is retarded.

>>719364491
Something something "you walked your way to that fork near Pale Pass to get on the carriages then go to Helgen". The truth of the matter is that you're meant to have been caught crossing from Cyrodiil to Skyrim to they mixed that into the whole "Ulfric caught at Darkwater Crossing", to mixed results.

>>719361287
Isn't Allinall a retard who says his work isn't TES fanfic and is Kirkbride fanfic or some shit?

>>719365294
>Isn't Allinall a retard
Yes.

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>>719364787
Hopefully Titus' death will unite people against the elves, realizing the Concordat didn't stop them from assassinating the Emperor the theory that he ordered his own death is stupid but I can't fault people believing in it because it is rather kino

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>>719364881
While cut, might as well be canon given pic related.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:General_Tullius#Notes

>>719365364
>Hopefully Titus' death will unite people against the elves
I hope not. After five games about the heckin' Empire being the rightful rulers of all of Tamriel who should get to subjugate everyone else and change their cultures because (???), I want to see Elven rule for a change.

>>719365247
They were going to have a whole Battle for Markarth quest where Galmar kills the justicar but they cut it and just removed him from the game. And then half-ass things further by forgetting to remove the essential tags from his soldiers so they respawn every time you kill then.

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>>719362130
A real shame all it took was one meltdown from him to try to wipe it.
Sometimes I ponder about all the art, books, songs, mods, etc enjoyed by either a lot or a few, maybe even just a couple of eccentric schizos but still, enjoyed, lost not by the ravages of time, ideological purges or obscurity... but rather by the tendency or artists to go full retard by either self-destructing or tearing apart their works.

>>719365247
It's also no coincidence that the Thalmor's official embassy and glownigger blacksite are both a stone's throw away from the imperial seat of power in Skyrim.

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>>719346351
I fucking kneel Todd, how does he do it?

>>719359538
>4E20
>This tower once served as a meeting place where those brave souls who achieved safe passage to Skyrim would find loved ones, and leave notice for others who could not be found.
>Let it stand in honor for those who had the strength and spirit to accept Skyrim's offer "untithed to any thane or hold, and self-governed, with free worship, with no compensation to Skyrim or the Empire except as writ in the Armistice of old wheresoever those might still apply, and henceforth let no Man or Mer say that the Sons and Daughters of Kyne are without mercy or honor."
>We, the Jarls of Skyrim, hereby decree this site as monument to the struggle of those who fled their native home of Morrowind in the time following the Red Year.
-Decree of Monument

>give your ancestral enemies free food, housing, protection, and religious freedom (when the empire that should be doing it doesn't because it's ineffective and self-centered)
>two hundred years later they call you racist fucks because they've ruined your city and act like ungrateful dickheads so you're fed up with them

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>>719365364
It's the same kind of theory as the Mannimarco copycat one. They arise from the fact the questline they're in is so stupid that making stuff up improves it.

>>719365656
Fuck off thalmor shill.

>>719365656
I want to see the Tamriellic age of empires implode completely, no Empire no Dominion no nothing, just total chaos with every man for themselves. Could throw in the Empire and Dominion trying to re-assert themselves as a story element and have quests around stifling or supporting their efforts.

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>>719365886

>>719351064
akatosh is a schizophrenic that wants to fight himself, governing time will do that to a motherfucker

>>719346123
>Which way Nord man?
directly to shor's stone to marry sylgja

>>719359538
>Anon, they're the most racist fucks in all Mundus. They are somehow MORE racist than the fucking Thalmor. They aint negotiating SHIT with a non-nord. They won't even BUY from non-nords.

>Thalmor
>We're the most superior race, everyone else exists only because we let them
>Everyone else should die unless they can be useful for us
>Actually everyone should die and we should be risen to godhood

>Stormcloaks
>We deserve to govern our country by ourselves and not the Empire or Thalmor
>Issues other than the war are secondary and caring about dunmer refugees is tertiary or lower

Are you actually retarded?

>>719360695
It took 25 years because
>the Empire bribed Nordic leaders to be okay with it
>the Nords are more loyal to the Empire than the Redguards
>the Nords were assured it would be temporary
After an entire generation was raised with death squads kidnapping their loved ones, it's understandable they'd be fed up and rebel.

>>719361072
>>719361476
The thing with the legions in Hammerfell is often incredibly and wildly misinterpreted. The only source we have on it is one that is INCREDIBLY biased because he's a legion leader that is explicitly writing copium about the war. Remember that every source is going to be biased. Just like the source that claims Ulfric killed women and children during the Markarth Incident is a guy that has literally never been to Skyrim and is transparently biased towards the Reachmen because he makes shit up.

The book about Hammerfell claims that a general allowed some of his troops to desert (not even a whole legion, just some). This did NOT happen after the White-Gold Concordat was signed, however. It happened several years beforehand when the Legions were initially abandoning Hammerfell to reinforce Cyrodiil. It was most likely Redguard conscripts (and thus local soldiers fighting for the Legion) that stayed behind to defend their homeland instead of abandon it.

If those troops were still alive a couple years later when Hammerfell actually seceded, they'd fight for Hammerfell. But it's ridiculous to give the Empire credit for that when they took the majority of the fighting men from Hammerfell and moved them out of the province. They fucked Hammerfell over to defend Cyrodiil, and that's a big part of why the Redguards resent them so much. Hammerfell saw some of the worst fighting and the Empire that was supposed to defend them fucked them over to save its own skin, and then after the Redguards bailed them out anyways the Empire sold them out in the Concordat. (Same as how they sold out the Nords by banning Talos worship).

>>719359074
All the stormcloaks' racism motivations are entirely justified thoughbeit
No one forced you to abandon the NEET refugee lifestyle, dungmer

>>719357061
>You have no criminal record
But you're a loser bitch and ugly so they just decided to do the world a favour.

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>>719366089
>Mannimarco copycat
That elf being a literal who random dude that fakes being Mannimarco is lame. Him being Manny's 'cast-off shell' after he becomes the the Necromancer's Moon post-Warp in the West is not only cooler, but just makes way more sense now to be fair, I've played Oblivion with the Mannimarco Revisited mod for the last 10 years so I barely remember the original letdown NPC voiced by the generic "RRRRRRRRRRRRRUN AWAY" elf VA

>>719346221
>the empire signed for peace in a war against the elves that they were winning just to suck their toes
genuinely irredeemable faction, hard carried by the roman aesthetic

>>719366230
This

>>719356698
Black & Decker, you unkempt philistine

>>719358295
>leddity of the dragonbloat

Never forget the Empire allied with the Thalmor to fight the Stormcloaks.

>>719366684
>a war against the elves that they were winning
lol
humies really believe this?

>>719366438
>After an entire generation was raised with death squads kidnapping their loved ones
Literally never happened, as you're told several times in-game

>>719367030
The AD had just gotten their teeth kicked in in Hammerfell and the Imperial City.
The only thing keeping the Empire alive is the AD are bigger retards at war than the Empire.

>>719366230
I wish for a game with mechanics like starsector in a pre-modern setting, mercantile scheming that influences the economy and which settlements live and die, keeping yourself afloat coming first and foremost
For all I know modded warband/bannerlord could scratch this itch of mine but vanilla definitely didn't

>>719366438
Well said anon.

>>719367229
>w-well the Redguards pushed the elves into ceasefire after they were abandoned!
when the Dominion is knocking at the IC's door and has marched halfway into Hammerfell, home of the greatest physical warriors in Tamriel, the Empire isn't "winning"
they were taking BGC and the Concordat was the only way to get it out of their collective human ass

What's the lore reason for the dragonborn being able to join all factions?

>>719367375
It is rare to have someone as informed as they are passionate about TES lore.
Usually it is histrionic fanfic enthusiasts.

>>719366684
The initial mistake of suing for peace is mitigated by the fact that they couldn't be sure how the war was really going with the blades all dead. But after they'd had a chance to get their bearings and realize how badly they'd fucked the elves they should have torn up the treaty and started executing any thalmor within their territory.

>>719367507
The Nords showed up and bent the AD over like a bitch.
Cope as you see fit.

>>719367572
Implicit understanding that he'll shout them to pieces if he isn't fast-tracked to a leadership role.

>>719367658
>y-you're coping!
okay, buddy
whatever you say

>>719367572
True ubermensch manage a quintuple agent role with ease.

>>719367507
I also didn't say the Empire was winning. The only thing saving them is the retardation of the AD.
A few more "victories" like Hammerfell and the IC and the AD problem will solve itself.

>>719367572
Exceptions being the civil war and dawnguard.

>>719367771
Agent of the gods whom gets to dick around doing everything so long as he serves them?

>>719367572
All TES PCs can join pretty much every faction.

>>719367750
> I'm not coping you are.
Sorry I thought I was teasing an adult.

>>719367890
and I didn't know I was talking to Wimp Lo

>>719367996
> Wimp Lo
You think I am a character from a 70s Kung Fu film?
Learn to type, retard.

>>719367750
You are yellow

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>>719346123
>Manlets
horrid, vile creatures

>>719368927
>average nord male confronted by the three would-be suitors he's cucking simultaneously

>the Eternal Champion works for the Emperor
>the Agent works for the Emperor
>the Nerevarine works for the Emperor
>the Hero of Kvatch works for the Emperor
>the Last Dragonborn works for the Emperor('s interests)
I can't wait to play as the HoonDing
I'm sure I won't be working for the fucking Emperor yet again

>>719346351
Skyrim is king

>>719346351
Morrowind/Oblivion could never

>>719346757
When I first played Skyrim, I hadn't quite played anything of that scale. I was actually a little stressed when Alduin attacked and just ran straight ahead with Hadvar because I didn't even see the door where Ralof was.

>>719367081
We're told that the Thalmor didn't start enforcing the Talos ban until after Ulfric's rebellion started. But the rebellion started with the Markarth Incident (which is explicitly described as prompting them to crackdown on the Talos worship because Ulfric was trying to get it restored). The Markarth Incident occurs 25 years before the game takes place, just a few months after the Great War ends. The Thalmor have been enforcing the ban for at least 99% of the time the concordat has been in effect.

I assume it was an error or miscommunication on the writers' part, or maybe just Imperial copium. Alvor in Riverwood mentions the ban wasn't enforced when he was a kid, but it really doesn't line up with the timeline we're given (which can be said for a lot of stuff in Skyrim). It's also possible he was just lucky.

But we see Thalmor death squads FREQUENTLY in the game and there's even a quest to aid one.

>>719346351
I was a Hadvarfag until I read this post.

>>719346351
This is how you know Ralof/Stormcloaks are the correct choice.
This kind of kino could never come from an Imperial.

>>719369593
>it was an error or miscommunication on the writers' part
like the stuff about House Telvanni
Skyrim has a few little oopsies like that where there was a clear lack of communication between writers

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>>719364419
>Da Reachfolk dindu do nuffin!
>Dey jus need mo money fo dem hagraven sacrifices!

>>719346351
Holy kino Todd howard does it again

>>719369795
>the Reachmen take back their own native lands when there are no Imperial legionnaires babysitting the Jarl and peacefully rule them for two years while working to be recognized as an official province
>Nordic retard Ulfric chimps out and uses his men and his Voice to destroy their tiny city-kingdom while being obscenely violent and cruel leading to the Forsworn hateful
It's literally Ulfric's fault. If he'd left the damn Witchmen and their hag gfs alone instead of massacring anyone and everyone in Markarth who didn't bow down and suck his dick, the whole fucking civil war wouldn't have happened and the Thalmor wouldn't have eyes on Skyrim.

>>719370247
*leading to the Forsworn being hateful

>>719369593
Riverwood is a sleepy sawmill town out in the boonies, it makes sense that it would take time for escalating Thalmor activity to reach them.

>>719364419
>>719369795
>>719370247
it's really a shame that an entire ethnicity of Breton-Nord witch people that went from settled & cosmopolitan to RETVRN Teutoburg Forest psycho witch provos get exactly one major quest about how their hostage-king has become a triple agent glowop gone wrong, and then what you do in that quest does not matter at all except in making exactly one outpost of theirs non-hostile but still irrelevant, no services or anything useful in the joint that I remember.

No quests to win them over to your side of the Civil War with it being obviously harder if you're a Stormcloak, no dichotomy between potential reconciliation or their going into further terroristic psychosis, they don't figure into the mid-main quest ceasefire at all even though they're a major regional faction of an entire hold. Nada.

>>719370247
>mostly peaceful daedric (Hircine/Namira ones at very least while at that) cultists dindu nuffins
Yeah no thanks.

>the nords are le pawns
Why? Because the Thalmor said they could benefit from their meltie in a random book? The Empire is literally serving them

>>719366089
I’d love to troll Manni again. He would get giga-humbled by the Nerevarine. And the LDB would just bitch slap him to nothingness.

>>719370457
>mostly peaceful
The Reachmen only took out the most cruel Nords when they took back Markarth.
The Nords killed, tortured, and/or enslaved everyone, Nord and Reachman alike, when Ulfric shouted his way in.

What does it say that the witches who chill with hagravens, replace their hearts with poisonous seeds, and worship the literal Devil of Murder were more kindhearted and peaceful than the men who worship Talos?

>>719370735
That you are falling for an unreliable narrator.

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>>719369593
TLDR

Alright guys great discussion, now let's talk about what we expect from TES6

I think it's pretty safe to say that it'll be set in Hammerfell, considering the pinterest leaks.

>Will it take place a few years after Skyrim, or many years after Skyrim?
>Will the Great War/Thalmor plotline be history, or a part of the main plot?
>Will the game get into the Thalmor plot to undo reality by weakening the towers? Afaik there's only one remaining in the form of the Adamantine Tower?
>Will they just make up some random retarded plotline that no one sees coming and isn't interesting?
>Will it be filled to the brim with colossal amounts of we wuz shit because they ideated the game during the height of BLM?

>>719370857
>don't believe what literally happened
????

>>719371215
welcome to newfaggotry

>>719346351
i kneel
i fucking kneel

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>>719371068
>Will it take place a few years after Skyrim, or many years after Skyrim?
Given all TES before Skyrim took place within 30 years of each other, I expect TES6 to take place within a decade from Skyrim
>Will the Great War/Thalmor plotline be history, or a part of the main plot?
Pic related, said by Kirkbride a decade ago before he knew it'd take 10+ years for TES6 to manifest itself
>Will the game get into the Thalmor plot to undo reality by weakening the towers?
Not a chance. Todd will let Kirkbride's fanfic run in the background but he'll never draw attention to it
>Will they just make up some random retarded plotline that no one sees coming and isn't interesting?
I mean... did people get Alduin coming post-Oblivion?
>Will it be filled to the brim with colossal amounts of we wuz shit because they ideated the game during the height of BLM?
You'll have pronouns in the character creator, that's for sure. As for the rest, I genuinely believe Bethesda tends to keep itself outside the whole "modern politics" shtick from modern games, although that might have to do with the fact they release a new game every half a decade

>>719371215
>according to a blatant, unabashed propaganda book
>that has elements explicitly refuted by people in Markarth

>>719371465
Interesting, I didn't know Kirkbride had said that.

>Not a chance. Todd will let Kirkbride's fanfic run in the background but he'll never draw attention to it
That's such a shame, they could easily bring that piece of "fanfic" lore into the forefront, easily digestible and intriguing. It would be a massive reveal that "The Thalmor were motivated by this all along, not just McVillain motivations."

>>719371068
>>719371465
Once again, the tower thing isn't real
It was never said anywhere, not even in non-canon Kirkbride schizoposts
It's some random dude's fanfic that he put on the wiki that people bought into

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>>719346351
Absolute cinema. todd-sama did it again

>>719371668
Yeah but it's cool though, they should do it.

Night bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX-oTQR1ihk

>>719371843
It's retarded