>AI will have the biggest impact in gaming since 3DIs Kojima right?
>>719350771no
A lot of 3D games really play the same as a 2D game, but from a different camera angle. If you put Hotline Miami in first person, it would feel like Doom, and if you put a top down camera in Doom it would be identical to Hotline Miami.AI is going to affect the production of video games (probably by making them shittier) but also allow for new types of video games that weren't theoretically possible in the past. For example a city builder game where you are a dictator and tell your delegates what to do by typing commands, not like specific pre-programmed commands like you would in an old text adventure but full sentences.
>>719350771If wielded like a tool to help make games. Sure. But wielded like the games entire workforce. AI fills in blanks and brings inspiration. It doesn't do your job for you.
I think this is pretty cool
>>719351810That's an interesting take
>>719350771Yes. Studios and budgets have ballooned to absurd levels over the past decade and a half. When used properly AI will allow smaller teams to accomplish more with less. And that's not even getting into the potential applications for ingame NPCsOf course, when used badly AI will lead to more worthless slop, but I'd argue that that isn't much of a change from what we have now. What exactly is the difference between shitty work from an AI and shitty work from a Covid-era diversity hire?
you vill buy the ai sloppa and you vill be thankful for the privilege of being able to do so.
>>719350771Obviously yes, AI is here to stay for better or worse, it's the biggest invention since the internet
>>719351810I've genuinely been thinking about how LLMs could be implemented into games, it always come back to that or conversations with NPCs.
>>719350771Viceogames have been technologically stagnant for 20 years so if AI can actually give games more reactivity and interactivity with the world I'm all for it
>>719350771There are less cringe more imaginative possible uses for LLMs in games. An example would be truly dynamic characters in an RPG that react / have interactions derived from some LLM based on your actions / world state.
>>719352451LLM could potentially make life size open worlds possible. Its possible of much finer detail than procedural generation.
>>719350771So are there any actual results? I swear to God i've been listening to the same "bro it's so good it's like Star Trek" shit for years and the only thing i have seen is uncanny valley porn
>>719350771He's right.Except for the wrong reasons.Video games ARE in the middle of a shift with AI lurking on the horizon. Except that horizon is actually a cliff, and we're heading at full speed towards it.
AI isn't going to be used for anything positive.It's going to be used to cut as many corners as possible.It's already happening, look at the entire "roguelike" genre. They're using """procedural generation""" instead of designing levels.
>>719354971That's been done for decades bro.
>>719354971They've been doing that since ASCII art in the likes of Rogue and its real descendants, though I'll give you that 3D environment generation without quality control is probably gonna suck.I see people bring up LLMs for NPCs and I'm not inherently opposed to the idea of trying to do something with it but I can't imagine it being as interesting as an artistically designed experience that you can share with others once the novelty wears off. And I'm sure any attempts at something like that with current technology would be remarkably easy for the player to twist until the NPCs are telling you bad medical advice or political slogans; LLMs are not "secure".
Here is a gallery of 17,000 images some anon uploaded. It's presumably all of the AI art he's generated over some period of time.https://mega.nz/folder/rq4zhaAY#Y7R2hJSHKRXa1OQ4564J4Q/folder/D6pBTIYQWhen AI can generate 3D assets and particle effects, imagine what random dudes will be able to do with them.
>>719350771no shit. anyone who denies that is either a tranny or a corpo shill that wants to beat you to the punch.
>>719355614So will games still cost $60 if they're """made""" by one guy?
>>719350771Well alright but it's been what? 3 years now since the current iteration of AI (LLMs and generative AI) exploded and where are the AI games? All we've seen is indies flooding the market with even lower effort slop and developers cutting corners further. With 3D you can immediately see what it does, see the benefit and how it fundamentally changes video games. But with AI, if you have write articles after articles about how AI will CHANGE EVERYTHING in 2 more weeks I'm starting to doubt your claims.
>>719355746Stop being poor or learn to pirate instead of crying about the price of games you annoying faggot.
>>719350771>The biggest impactNot an inherently positive statement so yeah maybe
>>719355809I'll take that as a yes
>>719350771The biggest negative impact, yes.
>>719352275>He thinks the cost of games will go down after the dev teams have been halved in sizeIt'll take twice as many outsourced pajeets to fix the issues that come up in the AI pipeline as before, at least.
>>719355809Why so angry? It's a good question, they're pushing AI because it's so good and fast isn't it? It only makes sense they would make games cheaper
>>719350771Obviously it will have a HUGE impact on gaming. But no one said it will be a GOOD thing.
>>719356069>Reduce the cost of developing the game>CEO increases his pay by a percentage of the amount reduced>Have to outsource even more labor to India to fix bugs in AI generated code>Have to hire another firm to check the Indians work (Also Indian) >3rd party consultants to check the social impact of the AI work >Lawyers to fend off Disney because some of your AI generated outputs had Frozen Elsa in themI predict AI being a major part of the development pipeline will actually increase the cost of game development.
>I want games made by people with even less talent and intelligence than literal tranniesUnironically why? Remember when this board bitched and moaned about muh soul every 5 seconds? What changed?
>>719356296>You'll live long enough to see $90 games made by no oneGod this future is so gay, hopefully the Turkey situation leads to ww3
>>719352451this falls apart when you realize no one wants to have a conversation with a skyrim NPC
>>719356468Lel, if anything, this AI craze showed how many people are unironically NPCs
>>719356069I don't think you get it, anonYou see, I tell the AI to make a game, and then YOU pay ME full price for doing nothingNo, NO, you are not allowed to just generate your own game! STOP!
>>719356069>Why so angry?You are annoying, changing the subject to talk about how poor and retarded you are.
>>719356539>Promots a game with greedy long nosed goblins>Gets arrested for antisemitismOh say can you see
>>719356586>Thread about AI's impact on gaming>Asks a question about AI would impact games>Gets angry for no reasonGee i didn't know i was talking to a libtard
>>719356370There was a /g/ thread 4 or 5 years ago that suggested that, at the time, as much as 75% of traffic on 4chan was bots. Even if that were exaggerated by double, imagine how much it is now.
>>719350771Yeah, but it will be bad. Just most trash in a sea of shit. No positive outcome
>>719350771He warned people about AI decades ago and just released another game where AI is the enemy.He's not saying this in a positive sense.
>>719358845you are illiterate
>>719350771considering 3D started the AAAAAAA graphicfag chase, he couldn't be more right
>>719358935Really? Surely you're not dumb enough to be fooled by that bit of editorialising in the OP's pic and have actually read the source.
>>719352451Every NPC in the game being linked into the same hivemind does not sound enticing.
>>719351810One of the first things I thought about was basically Bethesda's radiant AI but actually good. Imagine NPCs having real schedules and unique personalities, basically using "AI actors" to play their roles. One of my favorite things to do in Fallout 1 was to use the typing feature to see what all I could talk to the NPCs about. I really hope one day, we have an RPG where you really can talk to the NPCs. Imagine all the unique experiences players could have and share, it would take emergent gameplay to the next level. Really exciting stuff, but AI needs to be able to actually do all this stuff consistently, and right now it's just not capable of "playing a role" very well.
>>719356518For real, to use AI well you need to be a patient problem-solver and have some creativity. That, and setting up a local model is well beyond the patience and skill of most people.I genned some amazing images, but it required a lot of effort to get the right prompt and a few of them still needed some light photo-shopping. Most people aren't willing to test and retest and they either give up upset or post their first-gen sloppa onto the website of their choosing.You're right, if a decent LLM gets into a game I can't imagine it would be super popular. A lot of folks would quickly lose interest typing or speaking to every game character. Doubly so if they have to remember in-game lore, locations, and quest information without the game giving them pre-set questions/statements to say.
Only thing I've used AI-shit for in my workflow is generating normal map patterns for shit like ground surfaces and clothing material. It's pretty fucking adept at it and saves me some time. That said, I was able to do this kind of process with software before since it's all just algorithms in the end.
>>719350771Yes but not in the good sense. If you think companies release lazy derivative unoptimized shit now what do you think is going to happen when they can be even more "efficient" and have free reign to do away with any kind of artistic vision? It´s going to be a fucking disaster. That said if the technology were to develop in the opposite direction and automatized the business and advertising aspects of game developed and helped devs and artists free themselves from suits then that would be worth the world.It won´t though
>>719350771Yes. AI will greatly reduce the number of employees required to create a product. Voice actors in particular will have a significantly reduced role (and salary).Don't expect video games to be made faster or become cheaper though.
>>719351995That would make for some pretty damn sim city mods desu
It can't even do that since 3D already made it cost way too much to produce dogshit literally nobody wants.
>>719351995That is indeed cool.
>>719351810Do you think it could produce an accurate version of ttrpg cyberpunk?
>>719351995How does this work? Did it guess what building that is and look at a map?
>>719355614>1 female>1 female>1 female yawn
>>719351810>For example a city builder game where you are a dictator and tell your delegates what to do by typing commands, not like specific pre-programmed commands like you would in an old text adventure but full sentences.The AI will be "rolling the dice" on what to do/hallucinate even more-so than a game programmed using current means.
>>719367008ai sucks at multiple people that's one thing it will ALWAYS struggle with until someone makes pairs better
>>719350771>be kojima>literally admit you want video games to be movies because you can't make it Hollywood>literally admit you only made MGS1 to make a movie>is praised for the first AAA movie game slop>faggots think this is goodfags
>>719350771>Is Kojima right?Yes, but it will be for the worse, because the people using this shit don't have the knowledge to fix the shit the AI generates wrong, so you'll get utter vibecoding garbage that's full of bugs, crashes every 10 minutes and no one knows how to fix it since no one knows how to code and debug.
>>719350771Yes because AI will go far beyond what it's currently capable of. What we see now is like the early days of rendering random floating polygons before 3d was actually realized as a gaming medium. It will enable games to have a ton more depth while at the same time dramatically streamlining the dev process, it'll be faster and a studio will only need 10 people instead of 1000.
>>719367423this hasn't been true in years, people just like 1girl
>>719367761people need to get better tastes
>>719367825you just need to be less autismalpeople like girls
>>719351954llms are quite literally the opposite of inspiration
>>719367741Not true. Any complex project requires exponentially more compute for the AI to understand it. AIs are going to get so costly that we're going to circle back around to human programmers being the cheapest most efficient choice.
>>719350771>chatgpt write me a 20 minute cutscene filled with exposition player and characters already know about>repeat 20 times>kojambo game almost ready
>>719351810>allow for new types of video games that weren't theoretically possible in the pastNot possible. We have reached the limits of video games YEARS ago.
>>719367761surely you're not suggesting chatgpt is just a search function with lerp and good marketing
>>719355614>When AI can generate 3D assets and particle effectsWhich it can't and will never do
>>719368659you just said the most retarded shit of all time
>>719363620>NPCs having real schedules and unique personalitiesBasically Shenmue.AI sounds like a crazy cool thing but it's a fucking scam.Think about it. You still have to set parameters and feed the AI elder scrolls lore. You got a feed it what the races looked like and which races dislike each other. You gotta feed it the houses and clans and guilds. You also need to feed it the different voice actors.It's all shit that sounds easy and simple and cost saving but it's not going to be. It's hours and hours of waiting for the AI to train on data AND testing it over and over to get it to look and sound right because AI RARELY outputs exactly what you're looking for. It's going to be developers wasting hours trying to tweak the end result.Kojima is a fucking hack and a retard.
>>719368876It already can, idiot.
>>719368926Concession accepted.
>>719350771A negative impact, yes.
Does anyone besides lazy millennials care about Slopjima? Can't wait for him to just die already so millennials can move on with their dumb ass childhood heroes.
>>719350771the only acceptable upgrade is holodecksVR is shit its still nothing like how the 80's-90's made it look like. to bulky and heavy still. we need shit closer to sword art online tier VR by now
>>719364653Yeah and think how much money and time a developer is going to waste training stuff when they could just be working on everything but hand.
>>719369002No it can't, it can shit out objects no one could use and have to be fixed, which turns into more work than doing it yourself from scratch
>>719366651>what do most buildings look like>throw it together>add some scaffolding in for some reason
>>719369430I'm pretty sure you can see scaffolding in the original.
>>719353908the result is that companies are kneecapping themselves chasing promised short-term gains that will never materialize
Kojima also greenlit and executive produced Castlevania Lords of Shadow. He thought VR was going to be revolutionary. He doesn't know shit about games.
>>719369549VR is revolutionary though.
>>719369710it's a gimmick that has utterly failed to shift the video game zeitgeist one iota
>>719350771Pajeema
>>719369767Millions of people play VR games all the time.
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>>719366651>take facade from photo>hallucinate the restthere you go
>>719369710Virtual Reality is. Stereoscopic goggles are not. Even fucking Nintendo did that shit with Virtual Boy.
>>719353908>>719351995
>>719350771Bet you people wish you had embraced VR now huh? Well enjoy your AI slop.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n4rvr.mp4
>>719371541>Not even holding the cigarette correctlyAnd you N-words think this will save Vidya.
Anybody who's still star struck by AI should be forced to play with local models for a month. I'm completely disillusioned by it after seeing it repeat the same phrases over and over again. Larger models aren't much better, they still fall into the exact same knowledge traps.LLMs are an AI dead end, we're rapidly hitting the ceiling as we're running out of data to feed it (unless we get incestuous and feed it AI data). We need to look for a new paradigm if we truly want to advance AI.
>>719373005source?
AI sucks at a lot of things and is unreliable, but it's incredibly useful for coding. Saves me countless hours of debugging and looking up documentation. I agree with Carmack, ignoring a power tool is never a good strategy. It's a shame that it will inevitably be used to pump out soulless trash, but it will be used to help make great things as well.
Behold, the biggest impact.
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>>719350771ai for gaming has been completely underwhelming so far
>>719375185They're creating the ultimate cheapie...The next Mathrus...
>>719350771as if we needed any more proof he's a hack>kojima personally likes using using AI to download celebritiesdoes he gen them hanging out with him?
>>719375609More like ACK!
>>719370154Prompt?
It's a no-brainer that there is massive potential for AI in video gamesImagine talking to NPCs and rather than running out of dialog, being able to continue talking with them in character. That's way more immersive than what we have now.I can also see AI being used to create side-quests and dungeons in a way that doesn't feel repetitive like something procedural generated might.
I still think it's too early to tell, so far AI is just too hallucination-prone to be useful. In 5 to 10 years? Shit man, I don't know. Every year there's always AI achieves that people claim it would never be able to do.
>>719351995
>>719369179Holodecks only work because of Star Trek replicators, Holodecks create real objects to "virtually" create reality, when mating pressing Troi it would feel real, you will never have this anon.
>>719351995disco elysium aesthetic?
>>719380072not truethe only replicator tech in holodecks are for food everything else is pure hologram, feels real but isntthe episode where a snowball leaves the holodeck was early fuck up for a tv show
>>719350771Computer make Minecraft but with monster girls
>>719351810Can we make the ai call an ambulance when a Russian or Chinese kid spends 72 hours sitting down playing a game without moving?
