Literally what is wrong with W+M1?
You lose to the guy holding S and tapping M1
W+M1?
>>719354260It's a video game thing. You wouldn't understand.
It's an extremely ineffective tactic which will get you killed more often than not.If you mean what is wrong with it in the sense of the people who complain when they die to it? Yeah dunno. Something about Pyro causes bad players in particular to complain about him.
>>719354293Understand this~*HADOUKEN!*>my energy blast fries you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIYjCZZozBQWhy don't more people play Pyro properly?
>>719354136people die to it and get mad because they believe theyre super good at the game and dont deserve to die to someone running at them in a straight line.
>>719354136Better question, why is he so erotic?
>M1s in your general direction
>>719354136nothing. only sore losers faggots who get killed by it complain. it takes the same skill and brain cells as Heavy's minigun but you never see anyone complain about the later.
>>719354427>>719354293 BTFO
>>719354603Typically soldiers who just spam rockets into chokepoints
>>719354136Literally only bottom of the barrel absolute shitters cry about W+M1 from Pyro
>>719354136Pyro's cone of fire should be much tighter, almost Quake lightning gun-tier, but not quite. Make it a little harder to track opponents with it, but increase the base damage to compensate so it is truly deadly in skilled hands to the point where getting in close range of a Pyro is a death sentence if you're not a mobile class who was able to get the jump on him. Pyro and Heavy are very similar in this regard in their roles as a combat class where, everything else being equal, they should have a slight 60/40 advantage over Scout, Soldier, and Demo in close range. It's up to the latter 3 to use their mobility to get the first shot off and retake a slight advantage. As it stands, Pyro is always just kinda at a disadvantage.
>>719354603Same thing with Spy.>NO, you are the STEALTH CLASS, that means if I find you while you are STEALTHING you should be a FREE POINT for me and ALWAYS DIE. How DARE you be able to fight back when caught!
>>719354136Because fuck you that's why. You, and all you no skill dick sucking faggots.
>>719354136Makes shitters seethe, so nothing
>>719354469That's all I fucking play. You're just kinda limited due to how shit he is when the other team has a Heavy or Engineer or Sniper.
>>719355253that sentiment is largely why the dead ringer is so hatedthere isn't a lick of stealth involved with using it, it's just a way to bruteforce your way through a chokepoint so you can tiptoe to spawn to stab the idiots that don't have ears or object permanence
>>719354637no face, silly animations, thick thighs
>>719354469If I wanted to kill people in midair for sick frag videos I'd play DemoIf I wanted to rocket jump I'd play Soldier and I wouldn't need a medic up my ass for the 50% health loss each Detonator jumpPyro is for shutting down ubers, shutting down Soldiers, and generally making people angry when they die from your lack of skill instead of being "out fucking skilled"
The fact that there are diehard Pyro mains is strange to me.Of TF2's combat classes, Pyro has to work the hardest for kills and will still get two-shot at its optimal range by weaker primaries and the class has no upfront damage and is reliant on very low DoT damage and crit combos and hard cap on range. It's a miserable fucking class to play. Heavy, Soldier, Demo and Scout are guaranteed value.
The most consistent reason I die to Pyros is because their cloud of particle effects blinds me.
People think that W+M1 is the most skilless combo yet ignore playing demo and sticky spamming
>>719354136People who mainly complain about W+M1>Scout mains>Spy mainsPeople who mainly complain about airblast>Soldier mains>Demo mains(including Demoknight)Hmm.
>>719357653fire nice :)But I agree with you, pyro is pretty underpowered when fighting people at the same or higher skill level.
>>719357653some people enjoy playing as the underdog. look at how many people play spy chasing after the high of potentially being useful and not even making a frag video to show for the amount of time they've wasted
>>719357738Don't feel bad. They blind me as the Pyro as well.
>>719357653Pyro and Demo should switch spots on the class screen.>Pyro is "offense" but has such low DPS even before flame particle lifetime bullshittery that you have more damage output with your shotgun, yet make for fantastic physical area denial and projectile protection with airblast, and even has multiple defensive unlocks like the anti sapper melee or the flares that destroy stickybombs>Demo is "defense" but stickies are a terrible defensive trap because it's a one and done after you've blown your load, while both his weapons have the power of a primary weapon and stickies are used more as a single target "you die now" nuke for clearing sentry nests or attacking points, to say nothing of the horror that is crit stickies, the Quickiebomb, or those demos who have mysteriously great prediction for both direction and detonation time
>>719358123Just drop the attack/defense classifications altogether. It's always been a bit weird. Consider how a big part of Heavy is him using his high health pool to power through chokes and yet he's to be counted as defense.Combat: Scout, Soldier, Pyro, Demo, HeavySupport: Engineer, Medic, Sniper, SpyHell with Heavy slap bang in the middle is perfect because you could even argue he's a combat/support hybrid (though really more a combat class). Since while he's obvious got the combat power to be considered combat. He's also similar to the supports since he's not designed to be all that independent.
>>719358123The class categories made a bit more sense on day one. Pyro has always been kind of a mixed bag, but the afterburn created considerably more chaos back when there was nothing other than water and medkits to stop it. This made W+M1 suicide rushes somewhat more effective at breaking through the front line. It's also very clear why Demo was considered defensive on paper. There were numerous balance patches in the first year to reduce Demo's offensive spam capabilities with the intent of getting players to use him as a defensive trap setting role. Though overall none of the class categories make any sense today as the loadouts allow for just about any class to fill any of those roles.
>>719357853>>Scout mains?they can just walk away though
>>719358721I guess it would be better to say afterburn is their issue considering it almost always forces them to retreat or lose half their health
>>719358456So, Dependent/Independent would be the best two categories, yeah?
Why not play heavy? He's the superior ambush class.>300 HP>Highest close-range DPS, shreds enemies in one second flat>Hitscan that only requires good tracking, no reloading, large ammo reserves (a better flamethrower)>Most diverse set of primaries that all have useful niches>Free self-healing>Guaranteed to be ubered at least once per round>Guaranteed top score on your team>Single-handedly leads team to victory, total objectivechad>Slow speed accentuates importance on positioning>One-shot kill classes prioritize you because you're just that dangerous
>>719359693Because he's too fucking slow. Ambushing is boring as hell compared to flanking.
It still remains hilarious to me that pyro is declared the noob class and people still cry about dying to said noob class.
>>719359693>Most diverse set of primaries that all have useful nichescome on now. even for bait this is pathetic.literally all of heavies primaries might as well be interchangeable with how little they actually change how you play the game. the only one that comes close to being transformative is the huo-long heater but no one runs it unless they want to hump the payload cart
>>719360607They change up the gameplay, just in either not a fun way or a way that's drastic.You've got the Natascha which is only good for mowing down excessive amounts of Pyros, Scouts, and Demoknights.You've got the heater for when you need to be a cart Heavy.You've got stock for general purposes.You've got the Brass Beast for when you need to park your ass next to a dispenser on defense.And lastly, you've got the Tomislav for ambushes.
>>719360384tf2 is a game played primarily by retards with motor issues, yet with huge egos
I finally decided to try out TF2 since briefly playing it back in 09. Back then I hated the Pyro, but now he's all I want to play. Holy shit this guy has everything. What a kit. It's like he counters everyone.
>>719361296Eh I'd say youtubers and their cultists don't represent the average tf2 player.Especially since nearly all of them hate the game entirely and want it turned into something completely different.
>>719354136if it works, nothing.
>>719361140literally all of them are just point at enemy gamer until they die. they fundamentally do not require you to play the game any differently.stock is when you want to play heavy with no frills bells or whistles.natascha is when you want everyone else to be as slow as you because you suck shit at tracking fast playersheater is for when you hate your ammo supply and/or want to glue yourself to a dispensertomislav is for when you want to compensate for your bad reaction timebrass beast is when you want to cosplay a sentry
>>719354136pyro is the npc class. w+m1 is literally basic pathfinding behavior. I could boot up godot and simulate that within a few mins.
>>719361424>It's like he counters everyone*blocks your path*
>>719357653most pyro players are either happy with just running around and not thinking or are addicted to airblast/combo/memesI also find the vast majority of pyro players to be highly unpredictable more than ANY other class, beyond literal noobs w+m1ing
>Slap the Gibus on>W+M1 like the mouth breather-est of mouthbreathers>Hit them with the surprise flare gun flickshot when they get too confident Huddah huddah.
There are only two kinds of Pyros in 2025:>Drooling nincompoop that walks into the enemy team and is obliterated. Tries to use flamethrower underwater. Walks off the map and into corners. Disconnects because he's playing on a Chromebook connected to middle school library wifi.>Combogod that will launch you into the air and atomize you before you even touch the ground. Uses 500+ hour experience on soldier and demo to instantly calculate the perfect reflect shot. Stuffs entire pushes. No medic is safe.
>>719361559stock is what you use when you want to shit on an enemy heavy who has the tomislav and a medicbrass beast is what you use once he switches to stockt. loves murder
>>719363547Heavy duels are an arms race. It only ends when both are forced to use THE BEAST
>>719354136it sucks for the guy doing it and the guy on the other endits boring and unengaging >>719357653trickshots r cool
>>719359693because pyro moves at 300 hu/s while firing and heavy moves at 110 hu/s while revved
>>719354136W+M1 is unironically the weakest part of pyro especially compared to her airblast and secondaries. if you really want to see how weak W+M1 is just main heavy and you'll see enemy pyros disintegrate around you in seconds
>get flashbanged by flames>afterburn throws off your aim>damage is completely random>boring to use boring to play againstdragon's fury should have been pyro's stock weapon
>>719357653degreaser + panic attack or dragons fury are fairly effective for damage
>>719365263>her
>>719357653For a turn your brain off match on 2fort or something, I don't mind playing Pyro with M1+W and the occasional flare gun hit, it's pretty chill. Playing sweaty on a payload map and having to be alert in airblasting projectiles, trying not to die from all the classes that will rape you, and focusing every single flare shot sounds like a nightmare.
>>719365342Dragon's Fury flashbangs the user more than the person you are fighting against.
>>719365596Flailing your mouse around with the stock flamethrower is way worse. Making flames opaque was the dumbest change valve made in jungle inferno.
>>719359693>>Most diverse set of primaries that all have useful niches>stock, stock but better, stock but you can't move, stock but you need pyro to be useful, stock but it gives scouts and demoknights aneurysmschrist i'm a heavy main and even i know heavy's primaries don't change much
>>719365651At least you can guarantee damage with stock, with the DF you are doing less damage than a Flare Gun if you can't land followups, which you probably won't be doing often because you can't fucking see anything.
>>719365651>Flailing your mouse around with the stock flamethrower is way worseIt's not. Holy shit is it not.
>>719365762pretty sure you can hide your own flames with viewmodel_fov 0.1
>>719354136You don't get dopamine from reflect kills.
>>719357653he's the shitter class which is why every other pyro player is either a furry or tranny. the only "fun" way to play pyro without being completely useless is combos.
>>719362343>Drooling nincompoop that walks into the enemy team and is obliterated. Tries to use flamethrower underwater. Walks off the map and into corners. Disconnects because he's playing on a Chromebook connected to middle school library wifi.my girlfiend (female)>Combogod that will launch you into the air and atomize you before you even touch the ground. Uses 500+ hour experience on soldier and demo to instantly calculate the perfect reflect shot. Stuffs entire pushes. No medic is safe.my other girlfriend (male)
>>719367451>middle school library wifi>my girlfriendWhy don't you have a seat, anon.
>>719354136why does this character have so much autistic fetish art of him?
>>719367604Indeterminate, definitely insane, mumbling thing in a gas mask and asbestos suit (the closest SFW thing to a gimp suit) naturally attracts furries and other freakazoids like flies to shit.
>>719358456To be fair, a Heavy on Defense is an absolute monster, even without a Medic keeping him topped off.
>makes playing as medic funtry it, i promise you it is worth it to master this medigun, you go from tardwangling one retard with a golden weapon to leading insta wining pushes with a group of gibus heavy's and soldiers on almost every game.
>>719369243I just wish the ubercharge was better. It would be perfect if there was no flash penalty
>>719369584yeah aside of that the its only big downside are sentry nests in hard to reach spaces like the 2fort sewers for example, unless you are ubering a competent demo or heavy that nest isn't going down until you change to stock.
>>719367604do you think she eats through her mouth tube or with the gun
>>719367604>latex suit>no known face so easy to larp as him>meet the pyro video categorized him as a sadistic sociopath that believes he is living on a little pony ripoff world>easy to play hard to master>early cosmetics were just wacky shit like a bunch of pipes or a hand glove, some other's was just hinting at him being mexican or south american and also some edgy stuff like the grim reaper hoodie >post meet the pyro cosmetics shifted hard to more pony and furry baitIt was just the perfect storm of shit that hit the pyro, all of the above is prime furry bait, almost screaming at them to pick him up + the furry and pony fandom are full of deep end degenerates.
>>719354136been a while since someone in a match cried about a w+m1 pyro, something about it being low skill or some shit, but rushing an enemy with pyro is pretty fun
Pybro + stock shotgun was the shit. I love the realization on soldier faggot's faces when they realize what they have to deal with.
>>719370202I like the pokes they take at Pyro nicking shit from the rest of the team with his cosmetics, like the Respectless Rubber Glove you mention (it's Engineer's other glove).
>>719354136Why does it seem like only degenerates play Pyro? Why does he attract those people?
>>719354236>what makes me a good demoman?
>>719354236>tappingI hold m1 tho
I just think it's fun. I go pyro and run around and set people on fire. Throw in a couple of airblasts. Sometimes it works very well, and some people get upset about it. I wouldn't say I'm just doing W+M1, but I'm not doing any combos or anything fancy either. It's weird. Lots of people shittalk pyro, but it works fine in most cases.
>>719357653I like playing intimidating bruiser ambush classes and airblast is a cool mechanic.I don't like that they kept gutting every flamethrower's ability to just kill people head-on. Dragon's fury getting reaction nerfed was ass
>>719354136nothing, in fact every class in the game uses those buttons
