Guys I think I'm starting to grow on this. Wish it was provided with ultimate 2 style face buttons I could swap in (since they provided tool for swapping face buttons), but other than that, despite it flaws.. it has "workhorse" qualities. Like I actually was very hesitant initially about the controller, the face buttons on other controllers are comfier, but this controller can actually work, too.
and it goes without saying, that the purple color of the controller is fucking amazing.
Why are there still no good hall effect controllers?
>>719357901What do you mean, what's missing from current controllers that are available in the market?
>70 bucks for a controllerLMAO
>>719357790This and Vader 4 Pro has got me covered for most stuff. And if I wanna go comfy ps style, I switch to Tar Pro, or Ultimate 2.
>>719358034When you spend money on controller, you get cool features and stuff. Meanwhile, 1st party controllers cannot provide even hall effect sticks, let alone the newer TMR. They can not do even the bare minimum, things which are covered in both 8bitdo 2c or gamesir tegenaria lite (both under 25$ hall effect controllers)
>>719358387This sadly isn't compatible with switch afaik
>>719358387First parties will never use hall effect sticks because they make too much money from reselling new controllers when they break in 1-2 years and normies just buy another.
>>719358634It's a massive scam and more lawsuits are needed
Imagine using ordinary joysticks in modern year, especially one that's not even hall effect. Couldn't be me, nuh uh
>>719359637the ordinary controller is so cringe that they left it greyed out
capacitive is going to be a big thing late this year but I don't think I have it in me to order stuff from aliexpress since returning stuff would be a bitch. I'll take the plunge once I see something on amazon or other online shops but before that I'm not in a hurry
>>719357846Why does it matter that it's purple? Are you some smash player?
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>>719357790How do you remap the star button through steam input?
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>>719360549god I wish 6 face button controllers won the controller war. we could have 6 face buttons and 2-4 back buttons on every controller by now but we're stuck with the DS1 design for the rest of time now
>>719360368On 8bitdo software I think. I don't know the steam thing but on 8bitdo software I think you can create different profiles and then cycle through them or something (haven't tried yet on mine), it looks like most of buttons are bindable, only the home button "heart" is unbindable, and also the button that I assume is used for changing profiles.
>>719360178P5 8K was like, a March or April release iirc
>>719360549>>719360713for 6 facebuttons there's >>719358387 and maybe something else on aliexpress that I don't know about
I'm sorry but I'm waiting for this.Gulikit has always mogged 8shitdo, and this has the SUPERIOR Sega-style dpad.
>>719361007is that aliexpress only, or also on amazon?
>>719357790I have a pro 2, but it's broken, I need to buy an unfucked ribbon cable and I haven't been able to buy itshould I buy a pro 3 instead? the lack of removable battery concerns me
>>7193608456 button options are nice and all but I'm more lamenting how game design has been constricted to the standardized controller format than the absence of options, you feel me?
>>719357790I can't buy this in the US
>>719361110I mean it's pretty cool, especially if you get one on purple. I can't comment on battery life and stuff, but yeah that might be one problem area if it's hard to change the battery (since have to remove bunch of stuff), I haven't seen Pro 3 tear down for all I know it could be easier than Switch Pro 2 (which was said to be a bitch to chance battery). I say go for it !>>719361152Aah yea that's true. Original xbox was closest I got to 6 facebuttons, but that too wasn't "true" exprience, since it didn't have shoulder buttons. I'm sure we could maybe have better game ideas and complexities in mechanics if more games started adding more control stuff back again (how it used to be for many PC games some time ago)
>>719357790Love my 8Bitdo Ultimate 2 and C. Wish the Ultimate 2 came in colors tho like the Pro 3. If I had a strong need for d-pad up top I'd buy this for sure. Shame the sticks and dpad are light gray tho. I think the Beige one with red(?) buttons and dark grey sticks is a better choice. I'm not some nasty fuck or anything and nothing I have has ever discolored but 70 bucks for a controller to show wear and filth ain't my idea of a good option. I'd be worried it will fade or turn dark with regular use and I wash my hands everytime I get up.
>>719361261I think you currently have to order it from their website, and on amazon it will be available next month
>>719361075probably amazonit comes out in october, it's not out yet
>>719361414Yeah that's my problem of ultimate 2, that the colors are not quite there. I have mine in black, I keep wondering if I should've ordered in white instead, but then the led would probably be less prominent. It's weird they got so many different color options for 2c, yet for ultimate 2 bluetooth there aren't so many.
>>719361075Elves 2 was out on Amazon about a week before AliExpress, I assume it'll be the same for TT Pro and TT Max when they release.I still don't know what the differences are supposed to be, aside from one being $50 and one being $70.
Do 8bitdo controllers work with XInput on PC by default or do I need to use Steam with every single non-Steam game for them to work?
sorry i only buy controllers when they go on chinese new year aliexpress sales. chang never lets me down, only a mark would pay extra for a controller thats been through 10 different kike retail middlemen instead of buying straight from china
>>719361880>I still don't know what the differences are supposed to beIf my reading on https://www.hlplanet.com/gulikit-announces-tt-max-and-pro/ is correct, then it would imply that picrel is misleading, and that the "pro" versions are actually assymetrical shaped (so similar to an xbox controller), while the max version would look more like pro3/tarantula pro. What I don't know if that's just the stick layout alone (like picrel seems to hint for max lineup at least), or if the controller itself will look drastically different also.
>>719362454Sounds insane to reveal a symmetrical as a bait and switch to make it asymmetrical later on.Flipped through several articles, I'll choose to believe this one until the actual products are out.
>>719362813for those 2 bolded reasons alone, the max should be worth it.
>>719362908For me it's the non-bolded reasonbut if that just means Max has a gimmicky xinput gyro and both have the same gyro in Switch mode, I'll just stick with Pro
>>719364259having 8-way d-pad is a must imoalso, being able to adjust the height of sticks. the sticks on pro 3 are too low, while on tar pro they're perfect.
>>719364489They're both Saturn d-pads, I'm pretty sure what that means is Max can press a button combo to turn off diagonals entirely.Stick height doesn't matter to me, but I understand the appeal.
>>719357846That isn't purple, it's dark blue
>>719357790If you're emulating Gamecube then this is better.
>>719364604Yeah couldn't find good image that's not been reposted many times already
The dpad sucks.
>>719364672Pro 3 is fine enough for gc games on nso (since you can even swap the order of buttons/rebind them), but I think the discussion is the color of controller, and the purple of 8bitdo perfectly captures the GC purple>>719364763It's probably the least appealing aspect of it
>8bitdo for emu>xbox L33t v1 for racing>fighting commander octa for platformers/fightingand i still don't have a favorite. the xbox 360 pad is the closest i ever came to perfection, but that dpad was terrible
>>719357790I mean the benefit of it is that it works on a Switch 2 right? But the thing that bothers me that on PC, i'd just use an xbox controller.
>>719366340>But the thing that bothers me that on PC, i'd just use an xbox controller.Why? surely any other modern controller will do the job, right? Plus these third party controllers nowdays all have either hall effect, or even TMR sticks, so they're not going to drift, like ever.
>>719366551>hall effect>stick driftI have never had stick drift in any controller I have ever owned ever, it's 100% caused by user error, basically like how people naturally tilt left and right in racing games even though it doesn't do anything, people ham-fist their controllers and then blame the manufacturers, it's a skill issue.As for hall effect, i've heard they have certain cons to them like poor centering and weaker sensitivity
>>719366978>it's 100% caused by user errorRetard.
>>719357790Buy an ad, shill
>>719367102How am I the retard?
Are the A,X, and Y buttons extremely blurry for anyone else? The B button looks fine. I expected more for $70.
>>719367198The facebuttons are well... it's good controller ok? It's a stallion, a workhorse! It runs like a mustang (but without the supercharger). If you want better face button you buy tarantula pro... or something, i don't know...
>you're retarded because you aren't a lard ass fucking gorilla who destroys your electronicsokay
>not a gamesir Lmao
>>719357901There's plenty + also just don't be a retard.
>>719366978>no stick drift on anything released before 2016>stick drift on every post-2016 potentiometer controller I've ownedthis hypothesis would suggest that something compels me to use the sticks on an N64, GameCube, or DS1-3 differently than anything released after them>As for hall effect, i've heard they have certain cons to them like poor centering and weaker sensitivityThey seem measurably within the same 0-5% margin of error as first party. The sensitivity thing is true on many models, there wasn't any standardization on how the sensors should be designed for hall or TMR, so problems were solved in revisions over time
>>719357790Mine came from Amazon today, fucking fantastic so far. Did about an hour of Dirt Rally 2.0 and then some Lies of P. Feels way better than the ShitBox Series controller I was using.
need a controller that has the thumbsticks as stiff as they were on the wired 360 controller. hate the modern loose ass sticks of the xbox one era. they even give you the option to tighten them on the elite controller but they want 100 gorillion dollars for it and i know itll die eventually anyway
>>719367568works on my machine
>>719367854>they even give you the option to tighten them on the elite controller but they want 100 gorillion dollars for it and i know itll die eventually anywayYeah this basically best way to get them stiff, to have a controller that has this stiffener feature. You might have to search the 3rd party market for some controller that has the stick stiffener. Vader 4 Pro and 5 Pro seem to have, but there may be some others too (I don't know)
>>719367854my controller is pretty stiff right now, how bout you come play with it for a while?
>>719368116Big assed latinas work wonders in making my controller nice and stiff
>>719367854Vader 4 has the best mechanism for adjusting thumb stick tension, apparently has some issues with input lag but I don't have an eye for that stuff on controllers.
>>719367854you can try this>inb4 hyperchink
>>719358387neat.
>>719357790I've enjoyed mine very much, the only problem I have is the face buttons are kinda loud and the text on them is blurry. I really like the dpad but I've seen people complain it's bad. I genuinely have no idea what a good dpad is apparently like because every single controller has a shit dpad supposedly, and no controller ever has had a good dpad since the 90s if retards on /v/ are to be believed.
>>719358387>oled screens on controllersMost blatant case of planned obsolescence ever. Enjoy burn and extra battery strain on your fucking controllers.
>>719368296In most cases I don't think there's a perceptible difference in real use between Vader 4 and something like Dualsense Edge or Gulikit ES. Unless hitting a sourspot in total system latency, a 60fps game is going to register button presses or up to around 50% stick movement the same on a Vader 4 wired or dongle as the rest of those. The forced stick smoothing algorithm is what makes its latency look bad, and in the very specific case that you're needing stick movements registered at 100% as fast as possible, it may be undesirable. If the hardest thing you're using sticks for is fromslop it's an invisible difference.
>>719369079If you ask /g/ someone there might know, mac users tend to hang in that board
>>719357790>they removed the easy battery access>no longer works for every platformThey made unnecessary downgrades while also charging more. Fuck 'em.
>>719370397tariffs hit these companies hard, now if ever is the time to show them some support.
>>719370471I can't tell if this is ironic
I can't believe people trust 8bitdo after what happened with the SN30s.A couple of fake amazon reviews/sponsored youtube "review" campaigns and you idiots will buy ANYTHING.
>>719368841a good d-pad can>press cardinal directions without accidental diagonalsfailed by many membrane and some mechanical d-pads, can also vary by QC for the same model (personally confirmed on DS1 and Dualsense)>move between opposing directions without getting a perpendicular directionfailed by many membranes>easily do intentional diagonals, never do accidental onesfailed by most cross d-pads, most commonly passed by circular mechanicals and saturn d-pads with a pivotI give my personal vote of confidence to>Saturn d-pad with a pivot (modern controllers: Gulikit Elves 2, allegedly Retrobit Saturn controllers, presumably Gulikit TT Pro/Max)>anything imitating Xbox Series or Elite style, if you press hard with your thumb (modern controllers: tons of chinkshit, most Flydigis or Gulikit ES for instance but there's a pile of options)>almost anything mechanical, if you press hard enough for reliable diagonals on a mechanical cross or are willing to swap/mod plastic to make it circular (e.g. Gamesir Cyclone 2)and hearsay honorable mentions to DS4 and Tegenaria Lite, though that style is not my preference
>>719371625>allegedly Retrobit Saturn controllersHad one of those. Looks and feels like an original..... but breaks really easily.
>>719371578what happened to sn30s?
I think gamesir's software might be a bit better
>>719357790I always see praise or hate for controllers, but rarely a word on why they feel that way.
>>719373216Tribalism
If we're talking sideview or topview 2d games, and if played on stick, does the stick resolution matter? Like would TMR have better resolution to adjusting movement speed of a character, and is it noticeable difference? I'm wondering because if there is noticeable difference between HE and TMR, maybe there's going to be one between capacitive and TMR ?
>>719373290>If we're talking sideview or topview 2d games, and if played on stick, does the stick resolution matter?No.>Like would TMR have better resolution>I'm wondering because if there is noticeable difference between HE and TMRNo. This comes from the controller's processor, you can swap whatever style of sticks onto the same board and the resolution won't change.TMR gets the higher resolution/accuracy rep because it debuted on newer controllers, with better hardware, and had most of the magnetic sensor kinks ironed out in the hall effect years. There are modern hall effect controllers with 20 times the resolution of first party, meaning 20 times the resolution of what developers are planning for, which is already usually well above what a game will utilize to begin with.
>>719373760I'm not thinking of swapping sticks, I'm just asking if there will be a noticeable resolution benefit from the newer capacitive sticks that are on the horizon/available on some controllers already
>>719357790I like the extra buttons but I will never again use a controller without haptic trackpads.
>>719374370>I will never again use a controller without haptic trackpadswhy not? what are those good for?
AYO CUH DEY SOME LIL MAN ON YO CONTROLLA TALKIN
>>719374393That's a big question, but in short, haptic trackpads can be programmed in Steam Input to be better than a dpad, better than joysticks, and better than face buttons.
Waiting for the new gulikit controllers for emulation
>>719357790>>719370397>>they removed the easy battery accesslmao, fuck that.Yeah sorry 8bitchang, not buying anymore of your garbage since your "ultimate" piece of trash welded together controller made out of cheap plastic waste and you forcing shitty rechargable gum packages.The first Pro was a good quality controller and you had easy access to the battery under the back cover, and I could just replace that shit with my own AAs. Shame you had to became jewish.>but you can switch the buttons around now!!!!!lol gay, also buy an ad.
>>719374884the summer is over, don't hit the door on your way out
>>719374993闭上嘴巴
>>719360549What is this?
ITS THE DPAD GOOD?I use a shitty chink pad for rhythm games and fast and precise inputs are needed
>>719375517If you only press up, left, right and down, I guess it's ok for that. I don't know what qualifies for "good" d-pad, I guess it's subjective thing or something, I don't have much experience with d-pads to tell what is actually good. But yes this is very resistant to unintended diagonals, so if that's what you need then this is one of the better ones (tar pro probably better, but it's different kind d-pad and doing any kind of diagonals, even intended, is kinda cancer on that one).
>>719360764I want a controller with this exact layout but more buttons - at least 2 more grouped with ABXY and like a trigger for each finger or something. Does it exist?
>>719376212i dont quite understand, can you draw what you're looking for?
>>719374393Mouse control during gamepad gameplay, good for in game menus Custom radial menus
>>719376486Errr sure. Sorry I did not explain wellBasically symmetrical sticks with 6 face buttons.And triggers for more than 1 of the other 4 fingers on each hand (not pictured)
>>719377474What you're asking probably don't exist
>two sticks on the bottomArthritis generator.
>>719368660This would be perfect but Microsoft had to fuck it up with it being wired only.
>8shitdo
>>719377474Retrobit Sega Saturn pro, maybe?
>>719378465i dont mind it since im like inches away from my pc but yeah microshit is very stingy about their wireless controller tech>>719378953btw the sticks are literally the joycon sticks and it has no analog triggers
>>719357790Mine arrived 2 days ago, I really like it but the face buttons are fucking loud
>>719357790shill threaddo not buy 8bitdo shitawful controllers with tons of issuesm all they do is look nice and astroturf posts on /v/ that are 100% advertisingfuck em
>>719375965>I don't know what qualifies for "good" d-pad, I guess it's subjective thing or somethingno diagonal input issuesdoesn't rub in casingdoesn't require unneccesary pressure when switching directionsclear tactile feedback when something registers as an inputholding down buttons does not randomly drop inputs(8shitdo shits the bed with all of these btw)
>>719378465 It’s baffling, really. They’re sitting on some of the best controller ergonomics out there and then decide to hobble it by chaining it to wired-only like it's 2007 again. You’d think they learned something from all the third-party wireless demand over the years, but nah. Gotta keep that proprietary wireless dongle tax going I guess.
