kris IS NON BINARYkris is NOT A BOYDeltarune was not made for 4chan CHUDS
>shares a room with older brother after both have reached pubertyKris is 100% a boy.
>>719361079Aren't the UT/DR protags just genderless, not "non-binary"?
>>719361079and people on deltarunefags say they arent troons
Why do we keep having this thread? Why does the fictional gender of a fictional ambiguous androgynous self insert character matter so much?
>>719361079Kris is male deal with it
Reminder that the>Mettaton is Trans AllegoryThing before lazily and even less applicably applied to Mad Dummy was invented by an assmad retard that spent $2000 on scat porn and an entire decade+2 crying about Undertale/Deltarune
>>719361079Kris doesn't have a defined gender, stop forcing the non-binary gender identity onto them
>>719361378Mad mew mew is male deal with it
why are women so insufferable with gender bullshitthey are the reason fags and troons gained so much power
>>719361079Kris raped with his peenor so he is boy
>>719361079I'm more confused why there's retards on here who play Deltatroon and are surprised to find out how pozzed it is. Like, what the fuck were you expecting?
I genuinely don't know own how to cohere the fact that Kris is obviously a boy for several reasons with the fact that Toby is obviously setting up a twist where Kris was supposed to be "The Girl" of the prophecy.
>>719361946I'm more surprised that the jannies genuinely convinced letting you retards be retards about a banned game will make people start not liking it.But they are dumb enough to be AI fags, so maybe it's not that surprising.
I can't imagine caring about this shit game, seeing shit like OP and not wanting to kill myself out of devastating shame.
Kris is female because i want to fuck her
Kris is male because Dess is straight and she molested Kris.
I never played undertale I aint playing this shit either.
>>719362078>Hey look the MC of this game is non-binary>AIEEEE YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE ME DISLIKE THE GAME What the fuck are you blabbing on about schzio
>>719362078No, it's genuinely surprising why there's retards on here who play Deltatroon and are surprised to find out how pozzed it is. Like, what the fuck were you expecting? >>>/vg/
>>719361079Ok, memes aside. why doesn't toby just come out and confirm it one way or the other? it's so tiring hearing constant arguments about it no matter what part of the internet you're on.
>>719362070He must wear the pretty dress for the prophecy
>>719362792If he confirmed it the arguments would just change to bitching about him confirming it
>>719362792the character is meant to be androgynous enough for you to project onto.it's a blank slate, it's not meant to be some statement about gay shit like gender non-conformity
>>719363085Holy cope
>>719363085No fuck you he is a boy but he has to wear the dress
I am so sick of people arguing about gengars.Its cis gengar trans gengar non binary gengar shut the fuck about gengars.
why do so many people here play deltarune if they hate the ideology behind deltarune?you guys know toby fox is a progressive who supports trans people, right?
>>719361338It a flase flag to just talk about deltratroon
>>719361079>kris IS NON BINARYFalse.>kris is NOT A BOYTrue. She's a girl undergoing an identity crisis.>Only human in a monster town, so of course she struggles (canonically) with being a human>Pubescent, so she's struggling with newfound cramps, bleeding, and things growing in places they shouldn't, making her feel like a freak not only to herself but to those around her who are non-human>Already acts in a masculine way. There's nothing to be gained from her using generic pronouns unless she were a girl who didn't want to deal with the expectations that come from being a girl. Especially tough for girls to deal with around Kris' age. One day they're seen as kids, and the next they're expected to act like women.
>>719361079mettaton and mew mew arent trannies tho, allegory headcanon doesnt count
>>719363213unironically because they were fuckin 8-15 years old who grew up on undertale
Lancer btfo'd all troons by referring to the main party as "boys and girls", and whoever this guy is also btfo'd them as well.
>>719363470kris confirmed female
>>719363546Kris is a cookie
We don't need this and the Brigite thread for ragebaiting the same shitKill yourselves
Why can't we have normal threads
>>719363286Oh yeah, and>Nobody can choose who they are in this world.doesn't hit as hard for a boy who acts like a boy.
>>719363470is this guy the chapter 5/6/7 secret boss? we know eventually we'll fight a schizo in castle town and i dont remember recruit this faggot
>>719363678You can, just not on here.
hey did you know that /a/ hands out public bans for twitter screencap threads? i thought that was interesting
>>719363597then the other cookie is female, which would be weirder
>>719363470What the fuck? Were the "Kris is THE GIRL" in the prophecy niggas speaking facts?
>>719363786/a/ even bans frogs and wojaks
>>719363786/a/'s moderation is hypocritical. I'd rather have /v/'s free-for-all than /a/'s selective punishment.
Literally everything about how Kris acts, is presented, and is treated by those around him is 100% teenage boy. You have to be completely autistic, or worse, female, to even entertain the idea that Kris is a girl.
>>719361079aren't you supposed to be screeching somewhere else about agenda 2502 and christians or something you dumb r/gcjtranny?
>>719363901Thist. Got banned for making fun of an AI shill thread made by a janny on /a/
>>719363946why would a teenage boy who acts like a teenage boy want to be referred to as anything but a teenage boy? this only serves as good evidence that kris is a tomboy
>>719363956anon do you think that op is actually being serious?
>>719363946Kris does not like a teenager boy, if anything his actions are more indicative of him being either female or extremely feminine.
>>719363678Because the Jannies are mad people care more about a dumb pixel game first demoed in 2018 than a new console launch, AI Slop, or whatever other shit they're getting paid to spam the catalog with.And nobody learned anything from Gamergate or the Sweet Baby Inc crap.
>>719361079Thank you faggot OP for bringing us the latest happenings on Twitter.
>>719364103*act
>>719364058>why would a teenage boy who acts like a teenage boy want to be referred to as anything but a teenage boy?He doesn't. The game just uses "they" consistently, even for characters that have never met Kris, meaning they aren't doing it out of some kind of respect for his chosen identity. It's not an in-universe consideration, it's just an autistic writing convention.
>>719361079>literal who xitter post with 30 viewsKill yourself faggot OP. An Indian coomer thread has more value than this
>>719364103>>719364128Girl Kris would not be totally socially isolated no matter how she she was.Girl Kris would be more open about what she wants, or at least what she wants people to think he wants.Girl Kris would try to satisfy her latant desire to feel powerful by asserting herself over others, not by privately larping as an edgelord and pretending to be more dangerous than she really is.Girl Kris would not wear frumpy ugly boy clothes for no reason.Girl Kris would not endanger the whole world in a desperate bid to save a childhood crush.Girl Kris would be a lot more like Susie, which is why they get along.
>>719364109Incidentally hilarious, Deltarune (nearly) lived through an entire console generation, just shy a year and a few months.
>>719363786/v/ might be a shithole but its better than the tranny filled false report spamming shithole know as modern /a/
yeah yeah whatever. anyone have that meme of suselle in how it's "potentially" canon
>bad music>bad story>bad characters>same "bad on purpose" artstyle>threads barely stay alive compared to undertale threads when it was freshlets face it trannybros... toby "pretending not to be woke" fox has lost his touch big time.
>>719361079Frisk - FemaleChara - FemaleKris - MaleSimple as.
>>719364396Noelle CREAMED on Kris's BHC
>>719361079so glad these undertale spam generals are finally dying offgood riddance to the most annoying, unlikable threads on /v/
>>719364463Frisk, who wore a bow in her concept art: femaleChara, who is associated with a property named "murderboy" in the files: maleKris: female, for reasons stated previously in the thread
This is like the least interesting thing possible for someone to get angry about. How fucked up do you have to be in order to take time out of your day and be like UMMM ACTUALLY FICTIONAL GENDER?? It's so fucking deranged. What causes this? Also, OP, you don't have to pretend to align with such disorder. You can just say "look at this weirdo lmao"
>>719363213>trans """people"""LOL
>>719364640This is an original take I haven't seen before. I am fine with it.
americans be like: I'm non-binary and my pronouns are they/them/theirs
>less than 50 views across 3 tweetsWe aren't following your xitter, troon boy
>>719364153>The game just uses "they" consistently, even for characters that have never met Kris, meaning they aren't doing it out of some kind of respect for his chosen identity.This just suggests to me that the world of Deltarune is such that nobody assumes your pronouns unless you tell what they are, like some big liberal college campus. People who have met Kris use "they" when referring to her, implying Kris wants to be referred to that way, either explicitly or implicitly by not correcting them.
Monsters think Kris is non-binary because she doesn't have a dick, because girl monsters have bigger dicks than male monsters.
>>719364958>when referring to her,You mean him.
>>719365036This is canon, toby told me.
>>719361079Kris is a boy with a FAT human cock he uses to slay lizard puss and goat boy ass
>>719363843i made a point to only use info from the game and inject as little assuming as possible when i was making arguments the past two months it's not iron clad, but there's is a surprising amount of ammo for it
>>719365187I said what I meant.
>>719363946maybe, but it's also a fact that kris spent most of his time with his older brother and asriel's tomboy girlfriend was a massive influence on kris according to tenna, who seems pretty reliable when it comes to the dreemurr's past
>>719365361give me your strongest points
>>719361079Born with XY chromosomes and a penis? Male. If you identify as otherwise, you're mentally ill. Simple as.Born with a weird genetic condition, or malformed genitals? Well, okay, there's some nuance to be discussed there.
>>719361338Baiters bump the thread so the grown ups have room to talkThis is basic 4channel etiquette
Deltatroon
>>719365576the second hero calls for: being female, using swords, and wearing ribbons (according to ralsei)the girl calls for: LOVE finding it's way to herif the two are the same, then kris gets the green on everything asides from the explicit confirmation of being a girluses swords, wears ribbons, LOVE/ love has found it's way to her by the way of (you) and/ or susieit's no smoking gun, but the item description for the princess ribbon mentions that it comes with a pair of delicate glovessusie refuses to wear ribbons in general, and mentions the gloves don't fit herralsei wears the ribbon, but says the gloves don't fitnoelle wears it, but mentions that kris can wear the gloves (implying that she cannot) kris can wear itif kris were male, it would be very strange to have an item that calls him out for having dainty little princess handsif he were female on the other hand, that would make sense there's also some implication that kris is unhappy with what he has to wear in the light world, given that his dark world wardrobe mentions that he could wear 'anything you want'the biggest argument against this is kris and asriel sharing a room, but that can be explained away with the dreemurr house only having two bedrooms, and kris is forbidden from entering toriel's
>719361079
>>719361079My head canon says he's a boy. You can't argue with that
toby is dying
>>719361079Don't care. I will keep referring to him as male
>>719363213There's no ideology behind it. I don't care what mentally ill people on X say. Deltarune is a good game.Legbutts contradict themselves by claiming Kris is not a self-insert and then insisting that he is non-binary because "non-binaries need representation." They scream this so loudly because they know it's a cope on their part.>>719363901As bad as /a/ is, /v/ is not a free-for-all and jannies have a hateboner for Deltarune. There is a legitimately great community in these threads but it keeps getting stamped on.
>>719365972>the biggest argument against this is kris and asriel sharing a roomHow?
>>719361079Why v likes these tumblr games?FOMO?I have not played them but the trailers makes them look so cringe.
why do you play games with "pronouns" in them then get mad about all the trannies? from where im standing you seem to be pretty clearly in the wrong here
>>719366579the combat system is fun
>>719363786you can go dilate over there
>>719362792>celebrity in earthbound fandom>celebrity in homestuck fandom>but still desperately wishes he were born into a society that rejected the sexual revolution outrightgee, I fucking wonder why. the mind truly boggles.
>>719366554some people think that if kris were a girl she wouldn't be able to share a room with asriel because he would rape her/ toriel thinks he would rape hernevermind the fact that a) we know asriel is a weenie who would never do that and b) toriel thinks of asriel as a golden boy who can do no wrong of his own volition she also can't into humans and would assume it's fine anyways
>>719365972Based.
>>719366669Why are you upset?
>>719366579Ignore Tumblr and play them. Undertale is well worth it, is a complete story, and is best enjoyed before Deltarune, but Deltarune has a demo with over ten hours of content.
>>719366579sorry rajeesh but it's a first worlder thing
Kris is transwoman
>>719366541>by claiming Kris is not a self-insert and then insisting that he is non-binary because "non-binaries need representation."but kris is literally not a self insert, and all the npcs use neutral pronouns for themwhat possible interpretation is there other than that kris is nonbinary?
>>719366801but im a first worlder and I dont play faggot games?
>>719362792because he doesn't give a shit. even if he did, toby has enough of a braincell not to engage in fandom retardation anymore and keeps to himself.
>>719366959According to fags, any combination of gender identity, sexuality, and pronoun set is valid, so Kris could theoretically be a they/them cisgender man (I vomited typing that out). However, fags also try hard to make you believe that Kris is explicitly non-binary just because he uses they/them pronouns, invalidating the first assertion.
>>719363786/a/ trannyjannies shit up the board more than anyone else and ban you for telling them to fuck off. Which isn't really that different from here, but the ones on /a/ are even more blatant about it.
>>719366959>Chara and Frisk are both referred to as "they" in Undertale>neither is "non-binary," Toby called Frisk "he" in a tweet and refers to Chara as "murderboy" in the code>Kris is a human character similar to Frisk and Chara, likewise no mention at all of being "non-binary">Lancer refers to the party of three as "boys or girls" in Chapter 1, indicating ambiguity without Kris being non-binaryIt's blatantly obvious that Kris's sex is unimportant to the story but is left to player interpretation. There's more evidence to being male or female than "non-binary."
>>719366997>broken english>first worldernope
>>719362963It would only be people from the fagosphere complaining, and they're already doing that. Might as well get a few laughs out of it.
>>719365972>there's also some implication that kris is unhappy with what he has to wear in the light world, given that his dark world wardrobe mentions that he could wear 'anything you want'And he chooses to wear the most sterotypical male JRPG hero armor one could conceive of, rather than his lame and probably ill fitting hand me downs. Because he's a boy.
>>719367280the vast majority of people who use neutral pronouns are nonbinary, it's a reasonable assumption to make>>719367296unlike frisk and chara chris is never called anything but they/them by toby, and kris is called they/them even by people who have known kris all their life. Toriel even uses neutral pronouns for kris, which can't be because of lack of knowledge or accident. meanwhile lancer is constantly saying ridiculous things, should we assume lancer knows kris better than toriel does? Lancer also calls kris a "wife" for that matter
>>719366959>but kris is literally not a self insert, and all the npcs use neutral pronouns for themIncluding people who he has never met or spoken too, meaning that they can't know he was a faggot who wanted to be called "them". It's just a meaningless writing convention.
>>719366801No wonder since trannies and faggots qre mostly a first wolrd issue.
>>719366673>>but still desperately wishes he were born into a society that rejected the sexual revolution outrightI can't see how anyone can say this considering Toby doesn't shy away from sexually degenerate themes and is propped up by a fanbase that has been richly steeped in that nonsense.
>hurr genderless is not the same as nonbinarylol
>>719366606you wont be standing for long once you kick the chair under your noose.
>>719367596>Including people who he has never met or spoken too, meaning that they can't know he was a faggot who wanted to be called "them".kris is androgynous, other people can't tell if kris is a boy or a girl. Kris' family and friends certainly know, but they still all use neutral pronouns. And nobody knows about the soul, so it isn't a "two niggas" situation
>>719361079Peak mutt obsession everything centered around genital
>>719367659so kris is agender?
>>719367596it's reasonable to assume that deltalanders will use neutral pronouns for people they don't know
>>719361079>"They"Man these people have so successfully manipulated the language it's crazy. No longer is "he" the default pronoun you use for somebody you don't know now it's "they", no longer do people refer to prostitutes as prostitutes or whores but "sex-workers" no longer do people call their boyfriend or girlfriend that but now it's "partner".I'm losing my mind that people have been so maliciously socially engineered.
>>719365972There is also the point in one of the trivia questions about favorite video game character, the standin for Kris is referred too as a girl
>>719367542"non-binary"We call those attention whores.
he's based on the guy in brandish
>>719367542Toby is generally careful to avoid revealing his own headcanon which is that Kris is a self-insert of himself, crafted after his own life experiences growing up. For the record, Asriel knew Chara longer than anybody else in Undertale and still uses "they" so the lack of knowledge argument doesn't hold water. The game has some censored swears in the dialogue boxes and I highly doubt the characters are saying random symbols. Not everything in the dialogue box is to be taken completely at face value; you can freely swap out "they" for he or she and there's a mod that does it for you.>>719367646The game seems to heavily discourage casual hookups and openly mocks polyamory. Innocence also looks to be something worth protecting.Anyway these arguments are so stupid. There are countless things to talk about but people fall for the gender bait every time.
>>719367542>unlike frisk and chara chris is never called anything but they/them by tobyToby didn't mean to publicly call Frisk or Chara boys. It's pretty clear that he meant for them to be ambiguous and up to player interpretation but also thought of them as boys himself, even if only subconsciously. And it's the same with Kris. Toby has clearly written him as a boy, but is doing the same ambiguous sex thing as Undertale.
>>719367678anon youre a faggot who plays faggot games, you're the one who is going to hang here
>>719367679>>719367736This completely shoots your "Kris wants to be called "them"" theory in the foot.
>>719361079Kris isn't anywhere near as androgynous as Frisk, Toby can seethe all he wants but people are naturally going to imagine Kris as a dude.
>>719368398Toby has never once commented on the issue, it's entirely trannies in the fanbase that try to insist on it
>>719368394no it doesn't, even people who have known kris all their lives use neutral pronounsliterally everyone inside and outside the game uses neutral pronouns for kris, so the most likely explanation is that kris is nonbinary
>>719366541>There is a legitimately great community in these threads>communityWhy not just fuck off to Reddit or a Discord at that point? "Communities" are anathema to the point of this fucking website, and any that try to populate in shitholes like /vg/ quickly grow cancerous for a reason.
>>719368515interesting theory but why is kris yellow?
>>719361079Does anyone else feel like these OPs are made by the same assmad janny that nukes/autosages them around the clock?
>>719368582they're japanese
>>7193685954chan moderators would never abuse their power
>>719368515If people that don't know him call him "they", that means that the issue is one of recognition, not of a personal identity. The people he knows would continue to call him that simply because he didn't bother to correct them. By the way, "non-binary" people don't actually exist, I hope you understand that.
>>719367957most trans/queer people just want to be left alone, stupid
>>719368115so toby lived an agender childhood ,cool
>>719368669>The people he knows would continue to call him that simply because he didn't bother to correct them.so toriel and asgore despite raising kris simply haven't been corrected yet? Seems unlikelyeven alphys uses neutral pronouns for kris, which means either the school has had kris' pronouns specifically set, or kris is legally nonbinary
>>719368676>Want society to actually contort itself to their wims through victimhood, forcing to use their prefered pronoun and even shame if you dont include them on their dating pool.Alone with a child maybe.
NOBODY can stop me from imagining Kris as a girl with a jiggly ass swinging around in spandex
>>719361079>gaiz i played this game made by a faggot for faggots and there's all kinds of faggot shit in wtf i'm so mad now
>>719368860Asgore and Toriel don't know what parts make a hummie a boy or a girl.
>>719368541>redditActually faggot central. Any dedicated discord is going to be the same way. There are people here who both like Deltarune and aren't faggots, so this is the best place.>Communities are anathema>implyingMaybe complain to the AI art crowd or the human artists who post in a drawthread sometime. Anyway anonymity doesn't preclude community. When we did have an avatarfag we mocked him until he stopped.>>719368595Probably thinks he's playing 4D chess by posting bait so people want these threads deleted.>>719368676>most trans/queer people just want to be left alone, stupidDisproportionately murdering people who don't play to gender politics is "wanting to be left alone" huh?
Kris is a boy and I've sucked his cock.
>>719368986oops, meant to reply to >>719368812
>>719368986>>719369041and kris has simply never corrected them?toriel also did read a book on how to raise humans, so it seems unlikely
>>719368891Actually Toby FoKKKs is an avid white nationalist who has stated multiple times that he wishes to send black americans back to africa on an "underground railroad down to negrotown".
>>719361079You jest, but Robert caters to these people by writing a character that is referred to by both himself and the characters he writes as a "they/them." And it's no mystery what he means by this; he's an oikophobic, post-modernist, ideological subversive who makes deconstructivist propaganda in the name of "empathy" and "compassion."
>>719368829>>719369012I said most, you fucking sociopaths. Not all trans people are school shooters and pedophiles; that's like claiming all white folk are because of the actions of a few.
>>719363901This.literally everything is "off topic" according to /a/ mods
>>719367294and the ban is always 3 days global ban, even for being """""""off-topic""""""
>deltarune /v/ threads: pronoun discourse, playerschizo, fake recommendationsmaybe the jannies aren't that wrong in deleting these anymore
>>719369265Not all but they are disproportionately so and people who don't pay attention to statistics will meet a rude awakening from reality. What's more, they ruin indie game communities by crying and screaming whenever they don't get their way.>>719369429I'd argue that we should just ignore stupid people and talk over them about theories and ideas, but that's easier said than done.
>>719362070The girl twist might work if the boy presentation wasn't so overwhelming. Literally the only evidence for girl-Kris is Berdley wanting to fuck him.
>>719369429We know, janjan
>>719369429The existence of deletion-protected AI generals conflicts with your assertion that the mods are exercising a moral code when determining what threads to delete
>make literally the shittiest indie game>people pretend its deep>now they argue over deep lore when half the game was just jokesundertale fandom is a genuine sign of mental illness.
>>719369429every deltarune thread other than those gets deleted/autosaged. for some reason these threads have special protection, really makes you think
>>719361079>>719369702I honestly think Kris is nonbinary, could have a dick or a pussy. Doesn't change the fact that the Deltarune fanbase is completely insane and full of fucking morons. They're so deranged, but I guess for whatever reason that just comes with the territory of Homestuck/Vivzie/Toby shit
How come people don't get shit for making him black if he's yellow?
>>719368812>>719369149>so toriel and asgore despite raising kris simply haven't been corrected yet? Seems unlikelyNo, it sounds exactly what an introverted autist like Kris would do.
>>719369794Nobody is "nonbinary"
>>719365275damn that's a high quality fact check
>>719368668And then these retarded bastards probably wonder why the ship is sinking so quickly
>>719369889Doesn't mean someone like Robert wouldn't write a character who was and have every other character he wrote refer to that character as such, because... explained in >>719369261.
>>719369149They raised him, anon. If they don't know, how would he? He probably figured it out once he could get on the internet and start looking things up. But by then it would be awkward to start correcting people. >toriel also did read a bookNo doubt written by an ignorant monster.
>>719361079I am none buying anyway.
>>719364115/v/ has been twitter lite for about 5+ years now
>>719370007I honestly thing Toby's homosexuality fetish is worse
>>719361079notice how all the gay characters have domestic issues
>>719370007>citing the same autist who keeps calling Toby Fox an "ideological subversive" with stretched argumentsI don't know if you're the same anon, but there's zero (as in null, zilch) evidence of Kris being non-binary nor is any gender identity shoved in the player's face. There are far more woke games to complain about.
>>719361079get this shit out of here then.
>>719370007>Doesn't mean someone like Robert wouldn't write a character who wasTrue, except that's not Kris, because Kris is an EXTREMELY stereotypical teenage boy, and several of his mannerisms are very blatantly drawing on his own personal experiences and insecurities.
>>719370386Kris purposely dresses and behaves like a boy in order to derail the prophecy.
>>719369261>And it's no mystery what he means by this; he's an oikophobic, post-modernist, ideological subversive who makes deconstructivist propaganda in the name of "empathy" and "compassion."Ohhh you're one of THESE guys, now I get it
>>719361079Normies are never going to take nonbinary and genderfluid shit seriously, especially once you're old enough to start paying taxes.
>>719361079I headcanon him as a boy.>YOU CANT DO THAT YOURE MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE G-I headcanon that Kris was never written into the game as a they/them to begin with, he has always been a he/him so actually seeing him as a they/them would mean I am missing the point of the game
people who sperg out if you call kris a he have 0 problems with drawing kris with dark brown skin
>>719361079Deltatroon fags are utterly insane if they think toby is going to be some sort of big gender reveal moment in a future chapter
>>719370795If the Kris = prophecy girl theory is true, then he absolutely will.
>>719370873kill yourself theorytardgo back to the five faggots at freddys fandom where you belong
