After avoiding all discussion since launch, I've just finished this game after almost 80 hours. Honestly, the most fun I've had playing a game for a very long time.I didn't care much for Remake, but Rebirth took everything that game did good and expanded on it. I think they handled the story and characters well, the combat was fun and most of minigames were good. Definitely bloated but I was only exhausted by the end-game, there's a solid 60 hours of peak videogame adventure here which I don't think has been done well since the PS2 era.I have no idea how they will follow up this massive game with their 3rd installment but I'm excited to find out.Discuss game
why did they button up her shorts?
>>719362825Agree. It is one of my favourite games of all time. The music is beautiful ( although that was mostly Uematso since it is just a rearrangement of the orig ) and the combat system is great
>>719362825Organic threadYou surely are not a falseflagger.
okay now go play the original ff7 and then you'll realize how much they fucked up the story and characters
>>719363165No they didn't. 7 is still canon.
>>719362825I didn't like this game enough to finish it one go whereas Remake I completed both Normal and Hard back-to-back. I do however think its bloat is a GOOD thing. You're supposed to have so much shit to do that it's overwhelming and your playthrough defines itself from others by what you decide to do and when.
The only part of the game that I hated and found unforgivably bad was this bullshit chcocobo flying trial that was impossible to pull off as intended, you need to do a bunch of circling back shenanigans. Fucking sucked.>>719363165I played FF7 last year. I don't think they've fucked up the core story, they've definitely nailed the vibe of the main characters and story beats. I think some pacing decisions are odd, like Tifa getting a weird spoiler scene of Cloud's later revelation which was a huge moment in the original story.I think the third act of original FF7 was the weakest and hard to justify a full game. If they can actually wrap up the final game by tying in the whispers, it could retroactively elevate these scenes in Remake and Rebirth.Also, goes without saying but the new characters they introduce suck. Like I'm supposed to recognise some bloke called Glen as a key figure.
the real goty winner
Game sucks.
>>719362825i played remake for about 10 hours and was bored with it, and i play jprg regularly, so i don’t think i will touch rebirth until the 3rd parts are out.
This is a literal AI bot script thread at this point. The amount of times the exact same thing is said with zero distinguishing features that would suggest a unique individual; a real human being. Is astonishing.
>>719365795I wouldn't recommend that, after having just played through both back-to-back. That was my original plan, and because my PC was a toaster.Remake is a normal sized game, but Rebirth is gargantuan in comparison. It would be a slog to play them consecutively. I'm OP, loved Rebirth but definitely need a long break before getting back into this (hopefully not 4 years).>>719365871I don't know, just my genuine human opinion on a game I just finished and wanted to discuss. Sorry I'm late to the party
>>719363740>I don't think they've fucked up the core storyA huge part of the OG was Aerith's death being sudden and final, and there was great amount of emotional impact from that. The player is left in shock and despair, and the death itself is supposed to be enough of a climax by itself, but the remake/sequel/whatever muddies the waters and whatever grief you're supposed to feel is buried under not one but TWO seperate Sephiroth fights with characters who are supposed to be dead (Aerith "died" like 5 minutes ago and she's already back to help you??) and also lets throw in Bizarro Sephiroth in already and ruin the climax of the OG game again because why not?By the end of the game you're not sad Aerith is gone, you're just confused. Because is she really gone?? SE threw away a core part of what made the story special because they wanted to bait theorycrafters for engagement and also because they themselves still probably haven't decided what to do with Aerith yet.
Rebirth was robbed of goty
I'll play it right now if someone posts a loli Aerith modUntil then I'm playing XVI
>>719366859i want aqua to rebirth my babies
>>719362825No, you have to hate this game, my favorite Twitch streamer said so.
>>719363165>go play the original ff7 and then you'll realize how much they fucked up the story and charactersThe English localization already did that long before the remake was ever a twinkle in Nomura's ball sack
>>719366350>By the end of the game you're not sad Aerith is gone, you're just confused.I saw this said a lot, but now having played the game I am confused by this criticism because she is very clearly dead at the end of the game. The story will continue along it's canon route as it did going from Remake to Rebirth.Again, I'm hesitant to call the whispers and timeline stuff contrived Kingdom Hearts bullshit until I see the finished product. They clearly have something planned that they have been building towards since production started.They went into this knowing that 98% of the playerbase already know that Aerith was dying. I was initially wanting a 1:1 remake but it gives some suspense in not knowing exactly where they are going with this
>>719362825Metaphor is better.
>>719367160
>>719366986How hard would it be to swap Aerith with this lalafell looking child
>>719366859So was Metaphor. Both of these games were better than Astrot. played and enjoyed all 3
My biggest problem with the Aerith death is that she is the least likeable of the main cast and these games do nothing to make her more appealing. Tifa and even Yuffie are way more endearing and expanded upon in Rebirth, their character development alongside Cloud is much more genuine. Aerith is just boring artificially wholesome flowergirl that follows you around, her death is a sidenote.Even in the original game, I think LE MOMENT is massively overrated, there are much more narratively important scenes later on like Cloud resolving his identity crisis. People should be complaining about that being ruined but they won't because they are dimwitted bandwagonners that have to wait for their internet big bro's opinions on the matter
>>719367657people bullying her pissed me off
>>719367725Killing off Tifa would have been pretty shocking to a lot of FF7 fans. Maybe we could get videos of them crying.
>INB4 the "because it has the characters" copy pasta
>>719367789Unless that already happens in Remake. I really doubt it though.
>>719367725The scene after with your party reacting to her death is more impactful than the death itself. Yuffie's one makes me sad
>>719362825It was pretty good. Aerial combat is still shit, and characters like Aerith and especially Cait Sith fucking suck to play as. Suffers from pretty much the same pacing issues Remake and XVI already had, and you can really tell they're stretching out this story to justify it being a trilogy.Still a solid time though so long as you don't actually treat it as a remake and just sit back and enjoy Nomura's Wild Ride
>>719367936Oh they did. Or maybe it's a fake out because it didn't get spammed
>>719363040This makes me so mad.
>>719367789>>719367936>>719368360I will continue working this conundrum out on my own. Goodbye to all those who lurked without responding.
>>719368289>characters like Aerith and fucking suck to play as.Huh? She was my boss killer. Cloud, Barrett, and her. Yuffi for air, Red13 for mobs, Tifa for high Defence enemies.
>>719367725I disagree, didnt care for Aerith in the original. The remakes have her as best girl with Tifa being as boring as cardboard 95% of the time.
Padley singlehandedly took the game from GOTY to a 7/10. Instead of filling the open world with things that Cloud and co. would find worth doing, they set you to doing these ridiculous chores.
>Think we're finally done with the Whispers bullshit being visual cancer in every single major scene>They actually double down on itShame cause some of the visuals and environments aren't actually half bad but they instantly get overshadowed by this shit every single time something big happens. What a fucking mistake this whole concept has been.
>Oh, think you're going to be able to enjoy some ambiance leading up to that major scene? Ah, how about flying condoms all over the place instead. Now that's a good mood setter.
Is the third game going to be open world? I can't see them reopening most of the Rebirth map.
>>719367160moar
>>719370221There are huge greyed out unexplored areas in every single region you go through in Rebirth.Obviously they kept those for Part 3 when you eventually return there.Try to think for once.
I got the game on clearance and haven't bought enough alcohol to convince myself to play it past the first demo content with an appropriate drinking game
>>719370620>Obviously they kept those for Part 3 when you eventually return there.There is nothing of plot relevance in those grey areas though.I could picture them introducing the highwind for the player to fly over a cloudy overmap with much more numerous, smaller regions rather than Rebirth's larger regions though. This would allow them the flexibility to return to key areas without the game being made 500G
>>719362825>Rebirth took everything that game did good and expandedI can't believe I trusted this and spent actual fucking money on this game.The ONLY character with any amount of depth is Cloud and he's literally just playing Kingdom Hearts but with less nuance.Every other character is shallow as fuck. Their depth lies solely in Materia setups and that's not much.Tifa and Aerith are also broken beyond any reason. Barret sits there pelting shots for no damage meanwhile Tifa does +300% Stagger and Aerith shits out spells as skill chaser literally for fucking free.The Summon fights aren't too bad desu
>>719372773>>719362825Oh I was also MASSIVELY disappointed by Red XIII, what part of this design screams>TankLike WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?? He was more of a physical caster in the OG how did they interpret that as a fucking tank
>>719372164>There is nothing of plot relevance in those grey areas though.Like there was nothing of plot relevance in the Gongaga region in OG. Like there was nothing around Cosmo Canyon in OG.Again. Think, please.You haven't played Rebirth if you think they aren't going to expand on these zones just cause OG didn't.
>>719362825exact same for me. I almost didn't even play it since I tried playing remake 3 times including day one on a borrowed ps4, and just could never get into it. a week before rebirth pc launch I rushed through the rest of the game on a save I started on pc a couple years ago so I could play rebirth on launchabsolutely great fucking game. the fact it causes so much seethe further cements how good it is. I can't wait for part 3 and if it's a timed exclusive again (I'm sure it will be) I will buy a piss5 pro and the game on Amazon and return them both after I beat it because I'm not waiting a year againI'm going to play it again on hard soon
Had a different experience OP, I was planning on replaying the game on hard and getting 100% on all side activities but after finishing the game I didn't felt like playing it again or even finishing the gilgamesh storyline.I feel exhausted, don't see myself playing any JRPG again this year
>>719372773sex with yuffie
>>719373119barely used him in my run. I assumed Barrett was the tank and treated him as such.I'm curious to see what they will do with Cid and Vincent now that they are missing a dedicated white mage type. I wouldn't be surprised if they were left unplayable or other characters are upgraded to main party status.>>719373262>Like there was nothing of plot relevance in the Gongaga region in OG. Like there was nothing around Cosmo Canyon in OG.Gongaga and Cosmo Canyon had plot significance and unique environments that led for interesting regions. I was thrown off by Gongaga jungle though, seemed nothing like I'd imagined.New regions have to be Icicle town, Wutai, Rocket Town and Mideel. Rocket Town is looking like it may be retconned, also Mideel.
>>719373305also ff7 has been one of my favorite games since I got it as a kid around the time ff8 came out. my favorite part of the game has always been post-midgar so i had been hyped for part 2 since learning part 1 was only going to be midgar which was a huge disappointment for me my only real complaint about the game is the npc's. they are absolutely sickening
>>719368360Nah, it's the Nibelheim flashback with Sephiroth slashing Tifa just like in OG
>>719373480>Rocket Town is looking like it may be retconnedMy god you're retarded.
>>719373119He was my caster? Best character for mobs hands down. I found him to be the best character in the game if you exclude bosses. He could one shot so many fights.
>>719373305I was so disappointed with the remake, but I replayed it for rebirth and had a blast. Not sure if its me or if they patched it to a good game.Was your third run not much better than the first 2?
>>719374462it already has been. Clearly they didn't value Cid important enough introduce him properly, rocket town. It would make sense for this to all be in Rebirth but it couldn't fit.With so many things to wrap up in FF7R3, I don't think that Cid's rocket arc really belongs towards the end of a game. Same with Mideel, there just isn't enough going on there that they MUST include it, everything that happens there will be relegated elsewhere.Bone Village was cut and Temple of the Ancients was moved to the other side of the planet for plot convenience sake. They aren't afraid to cut and move things around.
>>719374931>I don't think that Cid's rocket arc really belongs towards the end of a gameIn OG's development the rocket and Cid was planned to be introduced in Disc 2 on Huge Materia quest. The devs felt it was bit too late to introduced a new party member so they changed it to Disc 1. You can notice the disparency as in the OG after Nibelheim you continue to Rocket Town and then are told by Rufus that they too were looking in wrong direction and actually need Tiny Bronco to head South to Temple of Ancients.
Suicide fuel
>>719375117That explains why bone village was the second best place to level up.
>>719370620Wow, do we really explore such small segments? The grasslands look minuscule there, but the map doesn't make sense, the mines aren't THAT big to connect the grasslands to Junon all the way over there.
>>719375416Tiny Bronco lets you access the east part of Mideel to fight 2nd disc monsters. Bone Village does have the red lizard with tons of HP that you steal Carob Nuts from for Chocobo breeding
>>719375606Nah, you can see the Grassland area is shrunken for the image, same with Junon.
>>719362825My beautiful wife Aerith
>>719374510Vengeance takes way too long to build up idk how you specced him tho
>>719362825i liked it but the 'oh so randumb' ending suckedyou do the same bossfight against the same character from remake again and then just watch cutscenes that solely exist to confuse you and probably wont have any connection to the story.
>>719370085>>719370005im actually fine with the whispers if there's a point to them. and by the point where its established what they are instead of continuing the theme they just pull 'oh there's white ones now idk what those are'
>>719376567In the ending it's shown Cloud is under illusion of Aerith surviving while others mourn her. Then Cloud pulls out the clear materia Aerith gave him and notices it's become the black materia from his negative emotions he denies caused by Aerith's death
>>719376358I still don't even know how vegence worked. I just found Stardust Ray OP. No good for bosses but 1 shot so many enemies.
>>719376934https://youtu.be/yDxJPz11hII?t=3286he holds the clear materia and then discovers he has the much larger black one. and no him creating a black one makes no sense in the world's logic the black materia took a lot of effort and energy to make it wasnt something just made on a whim by chance. and there's also the matter of the 'white materia' that aerith is holding at the end that falls into the water that might or might not be real.anyways this 'unreliable narrator' bs theyre pulling was cute in remake but is getting stale now. when you're unsure of what you're seeing noticing small inconsistencies is interesting but by the time we get to rebirth its obvious that half the stuff cloud is seeing at key story moments are just hallucinations. it feels like there's no point in paying attention to the story in the moment because ill only find out what happens in the next game (which is what they did with the remake ending)
is Jesse better than Tifa?
>>719376567End boss was atrocious. Bizarrely what were they thinking bad.Kind of ruined what was otherwise a top 10 ever game. That, the crawling seen, the Cait Sith mansion, and the towers.
>>719377320Before Ancient capitol, Aerith and Cloud have the dream date sequence. Aerith gives white materia to Cloud. After the dream date, Aerith gives her clear materia to Cloud and takes the white materia from the dream from Cloud.
>>719377375Jessie. Her name is Jessie. And no, Tifa is designed to be the optimal waifu.
>>719377221You parry, dodge (or take damage if you are bad at the game) and the Vengeance gauge rises. When you activate the Vengeance you get stat boosts and access to Vengeance-only skills. The bigger the vengeance gauge the longer you can keep it up
>>719375379This character "Zaxu" is so gay in Crisis Core they shouldn't have brought him back in Rebirth
>>719377856What's your problem with him in Crisis Core?
>>719377974He's a dopey idiot and it's supposed to be charming or something
>>719377696>or take damage if you are bad at the gameI feel attacked!
>>719378008I think Zack's character is foil to Cloud. Cloud is more brooding, self-conscious and insecure who is afraid to let his inner cringe show while Zack is confident, positive and joking. Cloud picked up from Zack the aspects he thought made a Soldier, being "cool" and cocky but he didn't draw them from himself being confident and having positive outlook on life and world. Same with Sephiroth. Cloud had this fantasy image he adapted for his Soldier persona. Once the dilemma was solved with Cloud and Tifa in lifestream, Cloud lets others see his more insecure side like with how Cloud has nervous breakdown at the submarine after the Mideel Lifestream. It's strength to be able to show your weakness and insecurities.
>>719378065You saw I didn't use exclamation mark in the post so you could have parried it with perfect parry. The attacks with exclamation mark you need to dodge.
>>719362825The remake feels like a prototype, something made to see player reaction and avoid wasting too much money recreating the entire game from start to finish. In fact, it feels too drawn out and linear, with a plot that's fine with me, but the ghosts aren't; they're too silly. Rebirth, on the other hand, is a real game, you get the feeling of really progressing through an adventure, with plot twists, highlights and lots to do beyond the main story, all in a vast world with different biomes. I love Rebirth
>>719363165It didn't. I haven't even played Rebirth yet but the original characters are dogshit they're fucking puppets with no soul you can go through entire cities and levels without them saying a word and if they do they drop like a single line like you're meeting a npc in a dungeon crawler. The original party has no soul, I feel like I'm playing Dragon Quest 9
>>719362825I imagine the 3rd game will have you explore a Expanded Wutai and will probably bring back Deep ground as a side antagonist but will also reuse most of the maps from Rebirth to save on development costs.Considering the second game was mostly open world mid game questing i think the 3rd game should focus more on the endgame side of the FFVII and have more optional bosses or just bosses in general and less open world content.I imagine fighting all the weapons will be a major side objective in the game.
>>719378263Kek, Sekiro ruined this for me. Now I just master forget to the best of my abilities. Except the claws... Those were a bitch!
>>719377386the problem is its the same end boss as last time except its 'sephiroth reborn' instead of the 'arbiters of fate giant' and just a regular fight with sepiroth.>>719377536so he imagines the whole date sequence and giving the white materia and the white materia falling off into the water. as berett says he was carrying him all along since his fall. there's no white materia present in the rebirth ending only a clear one which aerith carries from midgar (and turns white because of whispers) and a black one from the temple.the game both very clearly shows you there was no white materia involved but still chooses to show the whole date and white materia thing. the purpose is nothing more but to mentally overload you with unexplained shit that happens just like they did in the last ending. this is a terrible way to end a game and nukes the satisfaction of finishing it, the only reason people still want a sequal to rebirth and wanted a sequal to remake is the 90% of the rest of the game but the ending. if the middle of rebirth/remake was a bit worse those 2 terrible endings would have nuked the potential for a sequal.
>>719378213Yeah I don't know. I'm not one for talking animals or slapstick characters. I guess that's why I was drawn to FF16 instead of this with Cait Sith and Zack.I still will play it because I want to hear the musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4h9SkfZNwk
>>719378449After the flop Im not holding my breath. Im expecting a 40 hour remake copy combined with as much gacha as they can get away with.
>>719378529Aye, have fun!You will also like Bow wow wowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqJce34dLN8New Merc In Townhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGvqsgX48JMand Ascending Mt Corelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXILlWibeuE
>>719378514The white materia Aerith carried was sucked clear by the Whispers. That's why Aerith needed the non-clear White Materia from the dream date. The White Materia fell into the lake just like in OG.
>>719378514It didnt make sence in remake, but at least I had fun at the final boss so I didnt mind. Rebirth it made sence, but that 20 min fight with an ending one shot boss move ruined it for me.
>>719378787You can restart from the final Sephiroth fight with Cloud and Aerith. You don't need to fight Bizarro Sephiroth again.
>>719362825I similarly had little love for Remake but adored Rebirth. I think a big part of it is XVI leaving a bad taste in my mouth and Rebirth reminding what a game with heart is supposed to look/feel like. But even still, Rebirth felt like the first truly AAA title I've played in a while. So many unique animations, music, and gameplay segments, and not a fetch quest in sight. They went above and beyond. I can only hope they don't overplay their hand with the third part.
>>719379036>not a fetch quest in sightYou didn't go pick flowers for Chloe's flower crown?
>>719379147Another loli? High five.
>>719378775but there was no white materia. where would she find one? the date thing wasnt a real event that happened in-universe its just something cloud dreams up when he falls and gets knocked out
>>719379036>>719379147You need to collect them chocograsses to unlock the final Chocobo racing sidequest
>>719362825Anytime someone uses the F word (fun) about a game, I know their opinions can go right in the trash along with the game.
>>719379207Cloud got it from the dream date. Aerith gave it to Cloud before Sephiroth barged in. Then in the game's reality Aerith came to pick it up from Cloud and gave him the clear materia.Just because it happened in a dream doesn't make it any less real. Just like Aerith and Cloud dream meet in Sleeping Forest in OG
>>719379147I thought we were arguing in good faith here. There's an enormity of difference between A) picking flowers with Aerith using clues from a note while having cute callback dialogue and B) go and kill x of this monster and collect y of the item it drops.>>719379229Those are collectibles with a reward.
>>719379320>>719379207Also in Remake Cloud and Aerith have a dream meet up if Aerith is the character with highest affection score after Sector 7 plate fell
>>719379364I loved Rebirth but I'm not going to lie to myself that the game didn't have fetch quests. The quests were done great with character interaction and they were fun. But it doesn't not make them fetch quests.
>>719378850Im betting they patched that in, though maybe I missed somthing? I swear I remember hearing others bitched too so it must of been patched. Good!
>>719362825I had fun with it but stopped around the gold saucer. I'll get back to it eventually but finding out there's no really interesting superbosses and the like kinda killed the hype for me.
>>719379489Fine, "there aren't any fetch quests in the traditional sense." Is that better?
>>719379489Yes, there was general confusion with the game over screen and the options of the restart. The option always was there, but they did update each option to tell more detailed info.I think the original was>Retry >Retry from previous battle>Retry from the start of the chapterWith the 1st one meaning the final fight Cloud and Aerith vs SephirothThe 2nd one being the Bizarro gauntletand 3rd one being exactly what it was
>>719379564>there's no really interesting superbosses and the like kinda killed the hype for meOh no. I think you were fed with bad info. The game has tons of them from Gilgamesh to extra Battle Arena and Chadley VR challenges
>>719379320if cloud's dreams are just becoming reality he can just redo the whole fight, kill sephiroth and rescue aerith in his dream. what's even the point of the whole quest if he can just dream up the goal instead of doing things?.it makes no sense and is inconsistent with the entirety of the game. the goal of such dreams i games 90% of the time is having an isolated,unbound-by-logic/plot environment for character development. the goal of the date scene is to endear aerith to the player and increase the tension of the final fight if you just had a cute moment with her you're so much more invested in if she's gonna die or not. as for the last scene it seems like outside of obvious dreams or encounters with sephiroth/robes cloud's mind is reliable and what he sees is real in rebirth\remake but at the last scene of rebirth even that goes out the window. no sepiroth/robes but he sees the wierd sky and aerith while others dont. but on the other hand the tiny bronco has wings which suggests this is atleast weeks later so maybe he lose his mind further in the next one and starts seeing a nonexistant aerith after getting the black materia (which was in sephiroth's hands last time).my guess is the whole last scene is just a 'dream'/fake just like the 'date' and 'handing white materia' and basically most of the ending. and this is why the rebirth ending sucked its because basically nothing conclusive/of note happens. just some red herring cutscenes. in remake you could cut everything after 'going though the tear' from the game and the point where rebirth starts would be the same. my guess is its the same with this one none of the shit that we saw in the last hour matters/is 'real'. as for aerith being alive im 50-50 if i her to guess she's dead but theyll keep her as a hallucination that goes away in the next game at some dramatic cathartic moment.
>>719379320None of this is real. They're all goop in the lifestream. It was all a dream
>>719362825Extremely grounded take.Rebirth was a net positive, which is more than we can say for 90% of JRPGs for the past 2 decades.
>>719376692the point of them is that nomura is fucking stupid.he already told you what they are in part 1.they've ruined to games already. there's not going to be a retroactive payoff.
>>719378529But XVI has Gav and Byron
>>719380460In OG the big wtf is reaching the North Crater first time and Sephiroth showing Cloud the picture of Sephiroth, Zack and Tifa with Tifa admitting she never saw Cloud in Nibelheim mission (because Cloud was Shinra grunt and hid his face which is revealed later) and Cloud becoming delusioned that he didn't exist at all and he's just a puppet to Sephiroth and Jenova. In the next game the same tension point goes to the scene of Cloud needing to face Aerith actually died and he's just coping by thinking Aerith's alive. In the Rebirth's ending you see everyone else but Cloud mourning Aerith's death and only Cloud talking with the illusion of Aerith while others are being confused with whom Cloud is talking to and why Cloud is so chirpy.
>>719378349>the original characters are dogshit they're fucking puppets with no soul you can go through entire cities and levels without them saying a word and if they do they drop like a single line like you're meeting a npc in a dungeon crawler.The remake series definitely gives all of the characters more to do, even then they can kind of act like they are on the backburner. I was wondering multiple times why Barret would just stand there in silence as Cloud starts going genocidal. The original plot does constrain a lot of the characters which leads to some awkwardness but mostly it's better that the entire cast is having continual input in the story.This is going to be a bigger issue in 3, needing to keep even more characters in the loop. The 90s JRPG trend of having massive parties doesn't translate well to modern media
>>719379036>not a fetch quest in sightI remember multiple fetch quests that involved walking around an area and picking up items
>>719380979The anon you replied to corrected his stance by differeniating bad fetch quests from good fetch quests with the characters interacting and having dialogue
>>719367725I think there's been a revision in the remakes that make Aerith out to be a cardboard cutout, in the original she was a lot more interesting. I think she struck a good balance between feminine and assertive that wasn't grating, and it was interesting to see how headstrong she was despite how she was dressed, as opposed to Tifa being the exact opposite despite her appearance looking like she was supposed to be the headstrong tomboy. I played a little of remake and they both just seemed like demure fuckdolls, void of what made them interesting in the first place. oh well
>>719381042No he coped about it not being a fetch quest because the characters spoke to each other and the marker was an area instead of a dot.It's still a fetch quest, and the same kind of ones that XVI had. They both have the same pacing problems
>>719381172I didn't play XVI but i did like the talks between party members in the green symbol side quests. Like for example Barret talking about fatherhood in the protect the dog quest where the mother from Junon is sending money to the son who has his gf pregnant.
>>719380682they said what the whispers are in part one but supposedly they were supposed to go away after you defeat the big 'destiny' bossbut in rebirth they come back and there's 2 types. this is not explained
>>719381279They want to keep you on toes and discuss the possibilities while waiting for the next game. Same with Remake ending with the Unknown Journey Continues that had players talk and theorize how the next part will go
Is it bad that I remember the deranged shipping threads from around the release time more than most of the game?
>>719381354You need to consider if you spend too much time in 4chan and let it affect you
>>719362825>people will disregard the great combat because of the story and all the drawn out and boring quests that Remake hadIt's not like the combat is some masterpiece but if you're actually playing each character to their respective strengths it feels great.
>>719380859>>719378529Rebirth definitely feels like a bigger, higher production but I somehow found XVI more memorable and charming.Like 16 is a game I'll think back to 5 years from now. Rebirth hasn't given me that feeling at all despite the fact I love OG 7.>>719380896>why Barret would just stand there in silence as Cloud starts going genocidalHonestly the fact that everyone talks way more kinda points a light at this issue.I get that everyone (especially Cloud is closed off) but the cast just shrugs off Cloud swinging at the robed men, walking off cliffs, hallucinations way too much
Rebirth was an astonishingly bad game
>>719381758I disagree. I liked it.
>>719381430I feel like I'm alone on this but the I think the final boss, regardless of story implications, was one of the best of all time.It did feel like a difficulty spike and it forces you through constant exciting phases with different party combinations and strategy locks. You need to utilise everything combination and mechanic you have learned to proceed. >>719381758would love to know what you think a good game is.
>>719381331well it doesnt since i have nothing to discuss. all both endings did is reduce the final fight/confrontation to 'nothing conclusive happened'.this entire hour is basically irrelevanthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vWvBsqiIIQyou could cut it out and lose nothing of the plot and get a better game (story wise that is, gameplay wise its still kinda cool to have a big epic fight). it's the same for this entire hourhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDxJPz11hIIill bet you can cut it all out and just start off wherever the third game will start off (after a timeskip just like rebirth did) and nothing in that last hour will matter.speculating and discussing possabilities is fun but if you overdo the unreliable narrator thing it defeats the whole point since the entire ending of the game turns into 'something happened but idk what since the character is known to see fake things all the time'.im thinking back to every game i played and i cant come up with any that did the 'unreliable narrator' trope worse than ff7 r especially in the endings
>>719381978You are discussing it a lot for someone who says he's not discussing it
>>719381946My favorite game from this generation is Astlibra Revision
>>719382154>He's now making up non-existent games
>>719382050im not discussing what the next one will be based on the ending im discussing how shit the ending it, two different things.the reason i want the next one is because the 90% meat of rebirth was a good game, i loved the characters and want more of them. if these characters were not as good the ending would have killed it for me.
>>719363740> was impossible to pull off as intended, you need to do a bunch of circling back shenanigansHuh? No I didn’t
>>719382453On the release the chocobo gliding mini game was missing some crucial maneuver thing. Might have been fixed later
>>719381109Then how come I feel it differently? They are more mutes in the OG.
>>719381501XVI has very high highs. Nothing in Rebirth even comes close to the battle against Bahamut. That and it's an original game as opposed to a remake, as loosely as that term is applied here
>>719363165They didn’t though.
just googled it and found thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVz5kA7wckgwhat the fuck man why did they hide it first time seeing this scene after finishing both games
>>719362825The most fun I've had with a Final Fantasy ever (combat and actual gameplay)BUTthe end sequence of fights/story was a complete mess, and actually handled I'd argue even more poorly than Remake did.Doesn't ruin the overall experience, but I'm still shocked they didn't handle that part of the game any better. You can plant mystery and confusion without jumping from scene to scene so quickly with no explanation for any of it.I hope they use this gameplay beyond just the 7R games. It's too good to not continue.But they need some serious goddamn work with the actual story writing (I love the character writing though)
>>719362825Rebirth is easily one of my favorite games of all time. I love it.
>>719385154It was in the Yuffie DLC
Im still at Junon and havent gotten used to the combat yet.Having to swap characters every time i want to use a spell feels so awkward.Also i have to idea when i should use Clouds different postures so i just keep him on the default one 90% of the time because its easier to block and dodge with and always have Barret around for flying units.Im progressing, but cant shake the feeling that im playing the game wrong.
How many generations are they gonna need to finish this remake?Do you think itll be done by the PlayStation 7?
>>719385591Friend. You build up ATB, issue a command and right after use directional button to switch to next character to build their ATB and issue command. The first character hasn't even finished their command animation before that. Then you do it for the 3rd.Use the free synergy skills, both offensive and defensive.For Cloud, use Punisher when you want big damage with slow attacks or counterattacking and Operator for dexterity
>>719385693it's one more game then never again since sales are shit
>>719385693The third part most likely releases 2027 for celebration of the OG's 30th anniversary.
>>719362825yep it's the best video game released in quite a long time, simply 10/10
I am sick to death of the stagger mechanic. Get rid of it, it stinks
>>719385591I'm not the best at the game, but you use Cloud's 2nd stance largely when you know it's going to be primarily melee attacks against Cloud or you know they're about to charge at him (because blocking in that stance will result in Cloud doing a counterattack).A non-spoken mechanic of the games is that most enemy attacks will typically be focused at the character you are currently controlling, so that should be kept in mind on how you switch between characters.You can cast spells from other character without completely switching to them (I don't recall the buttons though, haven't played in about a little less than a year)
>>719385779This is actually one of the few games where I actually enjoy the stagger mechanic, oddly enough.
>>719385591>Having to swap characters every time i want to use a spell feels so awkward.please tell me you're joking
>>719385865I can see where it could happen if they didn't play Remake first.Start of Remake eases you into swapping around, so you're comfortable by the time you're doing 3 party members. Rebirth just sort of throws you right into it.
>>719385302The end games have consistently been a mess and the penultimate dungeon also dragging on for far too long, which has been a FF issue since 12 I suppose. At least the last game will clear things up though I expect things to drag on too much there too. I hope this team looks at pacing more in the future, it’s their biggest pitfall.As for the writing, I’d argue the character writing was always where 7’s strength lied. Just coming out of the SNES era, the writing of FF7’s story was still fairly simplistic, but it did the job for the time.
These threads have revealed anons are really bad at games
>>719385541finished that too never saw it>>719385302its literally the same thing as remake's ending again. feels like shit>>719385591>Having to swap characters every time i want to use a spell feels so awkward.you can use spells of other characters without switching characters. the only times i switched is when fighting fiends that had some kind of a swallow attack that takes out your controlled character, if the moment you see the 'swallow' prompt you switch to another character you can always avoid swallow attacks.>Also i have to idea when i should use Clouds different postures so i just keep him on the default one 90% of the time because its easier to block and dodge with and always have Barret around for flying units.the whole point of punisher mode is if you block an attack you counterattack automatically. you should do that against any melee enemy go into punisher and block and you'll do good damage to them + get ATB. use operator/normal against ranged/magic enemies.it sounds like you missed some of the mechanics of the characters. do the chadley tutorials and follow the instructions shown it should clear up mechanics. i basically finished the remake without ever using cloud right only saw how to use him right on a youtube video after finishing
>>719379661Girugamesh isn't interesting to me. I was hoping for WEAPON variants but apparently you don't even get to fight the stupid looking WEAPONs you see at Coral.
>>719362825The Best Part will be when all the Morons and Cry Babies realize what the Lifestream is and can do. Nothing to do with Multiverse or Timelines. A lot of people will have to apologize when Part 3 is out and they see all the bitching and moaning was useless.
>>719386070>Girugamesh isn't interesting to meGood bait
https://streamable.com/emnituTifa is so powerful
>>719386075Morning, Jimbo
>>719386075its probably a red herring and all cloud's delusions
Sora should be a superboss in part 3. It's only fair
>>719386152Maybe you should do some research about it before you write shit.
I want Rufus to rape me
>>71938150116 should have had a party system
>>719367725That's because Aerith expressions are awful. It never feels like she loves Cloud, it feels more like she loves herself and the attention more than Cloud. She was good in Remake, also she having future memories helped, now she is just a worse OG Aerith
>>719370620>>719375606https://mapgenie.io/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth/maps/midgargrassland and junon are way bigger than that
>>719383372Honestly, Rebirth's peak is the Dyne arc oddly enough. Everything else feels like an ADHD-addled mini-game haze in comparison.>BahamutFor me it's Titan, the reunion after Bahamut, and the entirety of Odin.>That and it's an original game as opposed to a remakeHonestly, I wouldn't count that.Nier Remake hit me HARD despite the fact I played the OG on the PS3 and that it's not as "original" as the Remakes
>>719381331>>719382359Well well well
>>719362825>Worse than Remake in every wayRebirth floppeded for a reason.
>>719388805Almost every game is flopping now
>>719388081>For me it's TitanKupka was a great villain
>>719389685Yes so it's fair to say Rebirth flopped
>>719388805How? wait for official numbers. Remake official Sales were announced almost 2,5 years later.Video Games dont stop selling after 1 week.....
>>719386160Reminder Nomura had that new song created about “hopes and dreams” and the “the dead stop dreaming” back when AC complete came out and reportedly around the time he first started working on Remake’s initial conceptThis all goes way back
>>719390207No, it's not. If a criticism of Rebirth can be applied to any other game, it no longer counts. It's unfair to say something bad about it if the same can be said of other games.
>>719390207Ok
>>719389685Maybe should start making good games.
>>719390905No, people are poorer now, it's why companies are panicking now
>>719390924Shut up, people will buy the good games. Rebirth was so shit I refunded it even when I think FF7 is great.People will buy EUV in a couple months even when it likely won't be good and it costs a lot of money.
>>719390708Good boy, that's better.
Every single gamer has heard of FF7. Ultimately the only reason why Rebirth would sell badly is if it was a bad game.If you made a remake of one of the most well known and beloved games of all time, and it was a great game, it would sell lots of copies. The only reason this wouldnt happen is because the people making it fumbled.
>>719391334Fair
>>719391334Everyone is waiting for all 3 games to come out before they buy them as a package. Why would you want to play part of FF7 and wait years to play the next part?
>>719391334Extremely grounded take.
>>719391473NTA but i need to buy and play them day one
>>719391473Lmao, keep wishing. Yeah people sure are waiting to play the first game and gather all the summons and items and learn Omnislash etc. just to play another game and collect everything again etc.
>>719391334FF means nothing to the younger crowd and the older crowd became too old and/or jaded.They waited far too long with this remake.
>>719362825FF7 Rebirth is possibly the most underrated game of the current generation. Even with a 90+ Metascore most people just ignored it for some reason.
>>719391835Most people don't like fanfic movie games.
>>719391334Just release it on PC bro
>>719392038Let's see what other games were out that week. I bet there was a lot of strong competition.
>Like a game>Learn that the game had low sales numbers or the sales numbers are not public>Suddenly dislike the game
i did like when you got the bronco and it was revealed it's all in one worldspace and not seperate levels
>>719392219We had this one anon going about the game being open world and how he will skip all the locations he didn't want to visit and just go the locations he wants to. I tried to explain him that despite the game being "open world", it will still consist of hubs that open only as you progress the story, just like in OG. He didn't like the truth one bit.
>>719392168I used to use Remake's sales figures as proof the game was good. Ever since Rebirth I've decided that sales aren't important at all and anyone who argues with sales figures is an idiot.
>arguing with shareholders who have never played a game in their life about whether a game is good
>>719392313Feels good, doesn't it? Practically everything I predicted about Remake, Rebirth, and how fans would respond to them turned out to be 100% correct too, much to the annoyance of one anon.
>>719391762>older crowd became too old and jadedOr maybe the older games were just a lot better. This older crowd does like new games that are good, after all, even whey are no longer FF games. Just a thought.
>>719392582Maybe Dragon Age: Origins simply was better than Veilguard?
>>719392582Ancient boomer here. I think the jaded strawman is funny because the main reason rebirth stunk for me was I had so many other good recent games to play and rebirth felt like a massive timesink. I kept wanting to play other better games and felt I was forcing myself through the slog of rebirth just to get it done. I managed to do it but it was not worth it.There's lots of great games at the moment, but it's true that 10 years ago I felt "jaded" only it turns out it was because a lot of new games at the time were just crappy.
I skipped Integrade, just went straight to Rebirth and all it seems like is that I missed out on retarded OC characters and Yuffie lore that seems to have no relevance to her development other than 2 to 3 jarring cutscenes where I'm thinking "huh, did I miss something important".Also the same with the Glenn scenes, I've been an active FF7 fan for decades and I'm frustrated that the game occasionally wags characters that seem like they're from an entirely different universe in my face as if I should be ashamed for not being a trve fan.Also never been a fan of Zack, he also has that OC feel about him. No better or worse than Leslie, who at least gets an cuck trilogy which is about the funniest thing in the franchise
>>719392582>Or maybe the older games were just a lot better.They why’d you ask for a replacement?
>>719392848Who is asking for a replacement and of what? If you mean people would like to see better versions of games they like, then sure. But they need to deliver.
>>719379147>OG character design>Sticks out like a sore fucking thumb alongside the main castFF7 Remake has no cohesive art direction whatsoever.Everything from OG sticks out like a sore thumb and whatsoever. What the hell happened to the world of mako energy?
>>719379147Dialogue can't get more uninspired and AI-written than this. You can just feel the AAA corpo slop energy, the writer must have been thinking something along the lines of "ah, now I must make the player produce dopamine so they won't realize all they did was just waste their precious time, hmm, how could I make that happen; ah, I know, I'll write:>Yes. Thank you. It is only thanks to you this was possible. You are the best. Not only did you help me with this fucking thing, you also helped me grow as a person. You are the greatest human being who ever lived. Here's 10 gil."
>>719392974
>>719392897Are we going to pretend this fanbase didn't ask for a remake now?
>>719362825Why does every rebirth thread start in damn near the exact same way with thr exact same image?
>>719393368People wished for a remake, not a revision. Since they didn't deliver, people won't buy the future episodes.
>>719393384During the PS5 launch i had to make threads solely dedicated for anons who actually played it. Had too many instances of one anon coming and try to start shit without even having played the game.
>>719392974It has also been white washed as fuck.>Gongaga slowly dying stagnant dump whose dreams went down with the destruction of the reactor >Remake ITS A HECKING WONDERFUL PLACE LETS ALL SING KUMBAYA>Corel Prison >A den of the worst scum of the world the place is pretty much a death sentence>Remake its just some shanty town filled with weirdos>>719393338Yes she is a OG character design now compare that design with say Leslie which screams NOT FROM SAME GAME
>>719393368and we never got one.closet thing we got was a mobile gatcha scam.
>thirdie mad he can't afford a PS5 or PC good enough to run Rebirthis that it? did i crack the code? why else would someone be so dedicated to trying to convince everyone this masterpiece is anything less?
>>719393643Another case of a character that just screams NOT OF THE SAME ERA OF DESIGNS
>>719393402>I love this game so much, please redo itYeah I'll just never understand this. 9fags are currently doing the same thing to themselves. Going to be interesting.
so how do you think the highwind will work?land anywhere or designated landing pads
>>719393740i've only heard rumors of rumors of an ff9 remake, i don't believe it's actually happening
How will you react when CHADnesis appear in part 3?
>>719393814Designated landing pads
>>719393820Remake FF2 instead and do justice to Amano style
>>719393848You forgot to include the screenshot of Gackt's tweet about returning to a recording studio he hasn't been to over a decade
>>719393959Wait WHAT I swear I was kidding
>>719394005Yes, happened earlier this week
>>719393959Jesus fucking christ no,
>>719393740I understand it. Even if the remake didn't turn out to be as good as the OG, it'd still be cool to see Chrono Trigger brought alive and in 3D. If the intention is to fuck around and make everything woke and LGBT and add time ghosts and all shit like that, then don't bother.
>>719394005YEEEEESSHAPPENIIING
>>719394017>>719394106Kek, so are they really going to remake dirge or is this for ever crisis? Though I can see Nomura fangirling about this guy for part 3
>>719394163They already put those other deepground faggots in the Remake DLC so I expect he's going to be a boss in the last game as a best case scenario. Worst case he becomes part of the story.
>>719394163Probably Genesis will be VR battle like Weiss was in Intergrade
Dirge of Cerberus remake by Platinum Games plsAlso press X to play with cape
>>719393338>>719393643>OG FF7 hairstyles, clothing etc that was in popular culture around circa 1995-1999>Crisis Core/Dirge of Cerberus 2005-2010>Remake 2020s and upwardsThis is why you have this strange clashing look to everything from characters, vehicles, clothing etc
>>719394319In OG they used cell phones with just the calling, in Crisis Core the phones became flip phones with calling, text messaging and e-mail and internet browsing. In Remake they became modern smartphones. They always follow the current tech of the release.
>>719390981There are a lot of good games that flopped. Difference is only millennials became obsessed with numberfaggotry and shareholders wannabe, then cry when everything goes full safe and commercial and complaining about companies going after tropes.Funny since it's AC success fault we got the Compilation shit.
>>719394415As a zoomer I don't get it, I have been emulating plenty of old stuff and had a lot of fun, it's numbers that important for soillennials?
>>719394412And its garbage
>>719394415Flopping because there is no marketing and nobody knows the game is an entirely different matter than a game flopping IN SPITE OF carrying the name of Final Fantasy VII and having a billion dollar budge.
>>719394415Covenant was dogshit except the improved gameplay over its prequel.
>>719394580Then comes the redesign in Advent Children and its a just a Black Hawk ORIGINAL DESIGN DO NOT STEAL SIKORSKY CORPORATION
>>719394415Quite a number of movies considered classics today performed like shit on their release. Not sure what caused the number retardation to become such a thing around here.
>>719394512>>719394708Numbers are factual and autists who obsess over certain genres or subjects want to use them.
>>719394708Quite a number of terrible movies performed like shit on their release also. I wonder which seems more likely...
>>719394580>>719394686>Huge shoulder pads that were still a thing during the 90s
>>719394686Modern AAA slopparinos don't even model anything themselves, they just buy a toy, turn it into a digital object and throw bought assets on it.
>>719394412so when did color and aesthetics become "outdated".7R graphics are so ugly and washed out with grey and shit brown everywhere. and steam punk will always be a better artstyle than "generic models you got from an Indian asset farm"Altering the story to use mobiles is fucking stupid. it's like that dogshit shakespear remake that used guns and cars instead of swords.
>>719394956I always thought the Romero and Juliet movie from nineties with DiCaprio shared similarities with FF7 in presentation and style
>>719394839>I wonder which seems more likely...I'll leave you to it.
>>719394956Hi, Kalm-anon! I've seen your posts and threads lately
>>719362825Hard agree OP. One of the best games of the decade.I recently bought the PC version and got distracted with other games in Chapter 12 but I need to go back to it. I was actually thinking about picking it back up today since it's a holiday weekend here in burgerland but then I got an email from Steam that FFXI went on sale for $10 again so I might get sucked into that.
>>719395074You should join me instead of going through your unlikely mental gymnastics.
>>719394956>it's like that dogshit shakespear remake that used guns and cars instead of swords.That movie is fucking great though. God Claire Danes was such a qt...
>>719365747
>>719362825the nortubel of final fantasy
>>719395181You tired to fight all by yourself?
>>719395301Everytime I defeat the old me, a stronger new me emerges from its ashes.
>>719362825I'm really excited for the last title in the trilogyI'm also really excited for the butthurt it will cause on literally every gaming board/v/ will sperg out like fagsthe farms will sperg out like fagsresetera will sperg out like ultra fags and hopefully commit sudoku lolreddit will sperg out and the janitors will lock threads like the fags they areit'll be glorious
>>719395347Aye, I saw your meltdown yesterday. At least you were honest
>>719395181>You should join meNah.
>>719394708>>719394758Existential crisis, funny since they are becoming the things they hated
>>719395207it's so fucking bad it's like a parody. no wonder you like 7R.you enjoy clownshow butchering of classics made by mentally retarded manchildren like Nomura and Baz Lurman.
>>719395548It's horrible to see people enjoy things and have fun
>>719395424>>719395518I didn't even discuss FF7 remakes yesterday. Rest assured, the most likely reason by far people didn't buy your billion dollar budget highly marketed FF7 remake game is that it's bad. No use running circles around it.
>>719395608You're consuming brainrot like the minecraft movie.Of course I'm going to make fun of you. you're an uncultured, subhuman nigger who is beneath me.
>>719395378Same.
>>719395741Shame, I appreciated your honesty more. Well, until your next meltdown.
>>719395741So how often do you discuss FF7R?
>>719395789I don't understand why you're mad at me, I don't care about shareholder numbers, I'm just stating a fact. The chances FF7 Rebirth is some undiscovered hidden masterpiece gem that will be realized a hundred year from now is pretty much zero, so don't rely on that. I don't mind you having fun with it personally, but stop these copes that relates to other people. They are embarrassing to read.
>>719395759So you need me more than I need you?
>>719395741>it's bad>because /v/ said sololalways do the opposite of what /v/ saysyou queers have zero taste
I was waiting for the most pathetic and overdefensive guy to show up before dropping the good stuff. He's here now so the fun can really begin.
This shit was so out of character for Cloudhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8NznczzoEE
>>719396072No, this scene was the greatest thing ever, always think the opposite of what /v/ thinks.
>>719396020>it's good because we have the same inorganic "just finished this, best game ever made, why did /v/ lie???" thread every single day
Is he right?
>>719395741what's bad about it? how would anyone know it's bad if they didn't buy it and play it?>>719396146sounds organic to me, i made a thread like this when i first finished it
>>719396263>how would you know it's badPeople played the Remake and lost all hope.
Talk about fucking it up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E2OusGn95E
>>719367324>I was initially wanting a 1:1 remake but it gives some suspense in not knowing exactly where they are going with thisI liked this about it too, they found a way to make a game that the entire world knows the plot for suspenseful. It's the only "remake" that has managed to play around with the player's expectations like that even though things do mostly stay on course.
>>719396362How many people do you pretend to be?
>>719396414Most of the people who played the Remake and then chose not to buy Rebirth.
>>719396398This isn't Final Fantasy 7. Or entertaining. This is what we'd call Reddit.
>>719396526How often do you post about Remake or Rebirth? have you ever had to samefag as multiple people when participating in the threads about games you don't like?
>>719396362i can kind of understand not giving it a chance after Remake, but Rebirth is leagues better than Remake in terms of gameplay, and the "open world" makes it feel more like FF than the purely linear hallways of Remake
>>719396398>>719396609And it's offensive to bald people. Wish modern devs would be more sensitive on these things.
>show off sephiroth a ton>make him damageable in the flashback, have him do equal damage as cloud>have the duel at the end of Remake>have fucking safer sephiroth in Rebirth>have you kill the Midgardsormr as a boss, instead of having it as an incredibly difficult enemy you have to avoid>fuck with the Aerith death scene with multiverse bullshit>make it confusing whether Aerith dies or not because there’s two universes at once where she’s not dead in oneWho wants this? Seriously, who actually wants this? You know that Re-whatevertheycallit is going to start off with Sephiroth taking the black materia from Red XIII and summoning meteor. That’s literally the next location, I love FF7 and I enjoyed Rebirth but some of the decisions they make are horrible. I hated the Ubisoft open world quest check list thing, I liked the different chocobos, I thought the party members played different enough, but holy shit what are they doing with the story?
>>719396617Sorry, I thought the OP said "discuss game," not "praise the game and attack anyone with critical thoughts."
>>719396676>have fucking safer sephiroth in RebirthYou sure you aren't talking about Bizarro Sephiroth?
>>719362825These games fucking suck, and no amount of faggot ass shit taste will convince me otherwise
>>719396674>demakes aren't woke enoughShit taste. They are actually too woke.
>>719396743And you often find yourself participating in threads about games you don't like?
>>719393913Why not just play a saga game?
>>719396842It's literally what keeps her from killing herself
Turns out Rebirth playerbase is some mentally ill echochamber. Well, I like FF7 personally so I have no business here.
>>719397030See you in 2 minutes
>>719396676>have you kill the Midgardsormr as a boss, instead of having it as an incredibly difficult enemy you have to avoidJust look at this LMFAO https://youtu.be/M3jjRUtTXYg?si=9p2G0uNphFqEk9Nohahahahah
>>719396842god you are such a fucking loser. you'd do this all day wouldn't you?
>>719397030>multiple people are saying they like something i don't like, AIIIEEEE it's an echo chamber!
>>719362825I am worried about Weapon Raid.
>>719397213I spend my time on things I like. Not on things I don't like.
>>719397246They love the idea of being attacked by 7rfags for some reason yet they can't stop coming to these threads kek
>>7193973098 hours a day no uing anyone who criticizes remake. Yeah, you sure do spend your time on things you like.
>>719397394Mhm.
>>719397092>comments are all shitting on how Rebirth handled it>the party doesn’t even react to the snake dyingLol
>>719362825>play remake>it’s good>rebirth comes out>in no rush to play >wait a few months and play it up until gold saucer >it’s fun, but desire to play wanes>stop playing for a year>come back>play the rest and platinum>200 hours I gave up on an actual remake, but what theyve done here is a fine alternative. Rebirth had so much, I’m not expecting the third to be as good honestly.
>>719397434That's the same schizo you are replying to.
>>719397513They did a lot for the games and it has the flavors of FF7 but there’s this weird feeling to the game, like it’s always trying to oneup the original. Every scene feels like it has to be so much more, like how they needed Hojo to try to capture you at Costa Del Sol or the card tournament on the boat. The baby Weapons, the temple of the ancients, Junon having an assassination scene, it’s like…why? What does this add?
>>719397543I know, I'm obsessed with him. I've even drawn fanart of him.
>>719397543[Surprised Tifa Face.jpg]
>>719397434Women sarcasm is so bad and forced
>>719396676>what are they doing with the story?Changing some details while keeping the overall story the same. The endings have both been retarded twists, but Rebirth still picked up normally as it did in the OG, with Cloud telling his story at Kalm. I expect the 3rd installment to pick up at Icicle Inn and most of the game to continue along normally with some minor changes as usual, but with a different ending. I just hope they don't fuck up the Cloud Lifestream sequence, that was the biggest moment in the OG for me.
>>719397687It's Kitase's last time working on a large scale FF game so it's the last opportunity to portray these events, probably want it all to be as grand as possible. Doesn't always work in its favor though. Sometimes less is more.
>>719397710That's... really sad, You should spend your time on things you like.
>>719397968It’s hard to have trust in this when the sense of progression is all over the place, starting the 3rd game with a huge info dump on Aerith’s family will just feel really weird, especially since they’ll want new players. I don’t know why they broke the game up like this, especially if they’re going for a more complex multiworldplot
I like how dragon quest 11 structured it's world as a modern rpgit had the structured connected corridor style modern jrpgs have but when using the boat or the flying mount it zooms out to an overworld world map
>>719398094Man…your last time working on a project of this scale and it’s to make a worse version of a game from 1997. I hope he enjoys himself at least, there’s a lot of love in the game but not enough respect for its source material
>>719398604I'm in my 40s and have spent 20 years on 4chan.
Tifa makes me wish other games had a Monk class this fun to use.
Fancy seeing other artists here. Post your work.I myself am currently drawing commission of Tifa piledriving Perona from One Piece.
>>719397513>I’m not expecting the third to be as good honestly.Probably wont be as big as Rebirth, since Square considered it a flop. They'll probably give the third one a smaller budget.
>>719399041considering they dont need to make most of the characters, it makes sense they wont need to use that much money
>>719398967every other melee fighter I've played in every action game has far better combat feel than 7R Tifa. she feels so fucking weak.she's so badly animated, her hits have no impact and most of the time they don't even look like they're connecting.
>>719399782she's a combo character, see >>719386124 (skip to around 1:10 to see the burst she can do against a full might Odin)
>>719394412I like that they still kept the old cars and trucks.
we getting dirge of cerberus in part3?
>>719362825Nobody says this
>>719394956was with you until you shit on Romeo + Juliet
>>719362825>Definitely bloatedYes
>>719402871but the gameplay fire bro
>>719403992god forbig games have more than 1 thing going oni bet you are one of the faggots who cry about the fun sections of bayonettaand no i'm your webm was fun
>>719394412proud to having no identity kys >>719404183the embarrassing things you have to say to justify backwards amateurism from a modern full AAA budget title
>>719404420>justifyi ain't justifying shithold to use is shit >full AAA budget title>multiplatformpick one
>>719403992if this was in another game I'd call it bad but it's in 7R so it must be defended, it must, in fact not only will I say it's ok but I'll say it was good and fun
>>719362825I keep saying Rebirth is a dream come true for 90s jrpg fans, at this point I can die happy if I get to play part 3 (and GTA6), I dont care much about anything else
>>719363165I already played the original 5 times over the years, I still love the remake project. You can enjoy both, in fact thats the intended way>>719363263
>>719404579>>719404735I did pick one. It's a 3-digit million-dollar title that plays like a game, a third of its price and feels dated. Both demake and abortion have been some of the poorest-selling titles in the entire franchise.
>>719405113>3 digit million dollar tirtlenot my problemits multiplatform so its not AAA
>>719405152argument has as much legs as sells of your game
>>719404937More like a dream come true for Ubisoft fans
I enjoy the game a lot but man, so much shit in this game flows so awkwardly. All these tiny busywork objectives that completely pause the game every time you do them, it's so damn annoying.
>>719404995man what the fuck even is this?
Game had its ups and downs, but the worst part was the anime team up attacks vs Jenova at the end. It was parody levels.
>>719407993>Our best friend just died, let's just keep quipping like usual and do awesome anime team ups, surely that's going to be an upgrade to this classic scene
>>719407993>>719408451They also start the battle with their limit breaks full except for Cloud. Because Aerith's death broke their limits.
>>719362825>I have no idea how they will follow up this massive game with their 3rd installment but I'm excited to find out.As long as they don't pull a Tears of The Kingdom making you re-do world intels on the regions from Rebirth or something i think story events will carry the game. Rebirth is really good by relying on its core gameplay with so minigames here and there but there's not many oh shit moments, part 3 is promising so much oh shit shit it could be one hell of a ride.
>>719408832Old news.Sure it's a nice detail but it doesn't make up for the rest of the bullshit they added in.
I play remake project as something detached from the original. It's a kingdom hearts with an ff7 skin.
>>719407993>"p-power of friendship and anime tropes in my jrpgs?!?!?! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH IM GOING INSANEEEEEEE"
>>719409178What's a valid criticism of VIIR?
>>719409178you are an adult child
>>719363165I played 7 when it released and play it every yearThe remakes are still amazing. Cry harder bitch made nigga.
>>719382453You are a liar.
>>719409392why are you in a final fantasy thread if you hate anime tropes
>>719407993Everything about the final chapter was awful but they really should've had alternate battle dialogue for it.
>>719409550because not all anime is bottom of the barrel slop for children>>719409412oh you're crying bitch boi
>>719409938Friendship attacks are not a bottom of the barrel anime trope. They can be cool and fun
>>719394106KEKIf it ends up just being like how Weiss was handled in Remake (just a VR super boss), then that would be fine.But even as much as I've been loving the 7R games so far, if Genesis is no shit a part of the story in part 3, I'll laugh my absolute ass off at how badly they jumped the shark and how they fumbled the landing. There's failing, then fucking FAILING
Aerith died
>>719409938I don't give a single fuck about how much it made. I think they're amazing. Keep crying bitch boi
>>719410205yeah but just put that in a game called crisis core 2 and that's fine I really don't care what compilation of whatever is doing at given moment because compilation never forced itself like you degens have
>>719410241if he shows up, I'll say they did a great job with him, no matter what happensif he doesn't, I'll spend years saying "remember doomers said genesis would be in it?"
>>719410365The more they recreate this scene, the less respect they give it.Advent Children & Dirge of Cerberus & Crisis Corewere already spits on the grave. Everything after that is just more disrespect.
I'm starting to more fall in line with the "all the alternate Zack stuff/etc" is all Lifestream shenanigans. The sort of weird timing of events not making sense feels almost dreamlike and weird moreso than a legitimate alternate universe. Plus that NPC talking about how Lifestream not differentiating between actual past and people who have died's desires and dreams.
can someone explain to me why i should care about how much a game sold? this obsessive indian man >>719406385 keeps talking about "sells" and i don't know why i am supposed to care
>>719410807I remember asking the same thing when some retard used to spend every remake thread going through the SE financial reports to prove the game sold a lot of copies
>>719410384Who said anything about sells? this your boi dying do you understand what that means for you? never going to learn sephiroth was bi those moments lost to restructuring
>>719386986XVI should've had a paired demake like DQXI did that was just an FF4 clone
>>719410807It only matters when it might affects follow-ups or sequels.So for example, it matters for a series like Metroid.For Final Fantasy (and especially FF7 Remake), it literally doesn't matter. There will be FF sequels, and 7R will see its conclusion. It's just shitposting.
>>719410640There’s some blatant hints at it anyway in Rebirth. Aerith touching the lifestream on the boat and sensing Zack, Cloud catching glimpses of Zack’s “world” in his sleep at the saucer and the entire dream date taking place while he’s not even awake. It’s all unconcious reality.
>>719410807>>719410960Your game is far too expensive for the returns, and with 14 bleeding to death, you can't run away from reality asserting itself.
>>719411316anon, nobody knows what you're actually saying here
>>719411474I figured you a clueless retard so I get it
>>719411680this all looks like complete shit but it's in the game so I must defend it
haven't played it yet, so i can't discuss it, but i'm glad you enjoyed it anon.
>>719362825I mean the game it's really good honestly, the made everything about FF7R better but man fuck the side content of this gameit's all so fucking boring and tedious, literal waste of timeif you could relocate all of the reward content towards the main story would vastly improve the experience
>>719411680it literally doesn't make sense as a reply to the post it responded to, but it sounds like you're just trolling at this point so I don't expect anymore than more vague nonsense with a direct insult in an attempt to bait
>>719411835if it wasn't for the yellow paint I would struggle to figure what year this came out
>>719411108The only thing I'd be afraid of is if the ENTIRE 7R stuff will be "it was all a dream/lifestream". That'd be terrible.The other parts, fine, but the whole three games... nah
>>719409392>said the guy who likes virtual toys enough to post about it on a vietnamese toon board
>>719411108>>719410640this was my interpretation of everything too. basically it's not much different from the OG FF7, no multiple timelines/worlds, just the lifestream being presented in a new and deliberately confusing way. those who know the deep lore on FF7 should be able to get it.
>>719412293realistically, how do you not having the pointless climbing if the levels are vertical
>>719412593It's no Twin Peaks or anything, but I appreciate it if that's the route they're going.Still think they could've handled both Remake/Rebirth's endings better, though.
>>719409317>pacing issues>some audio glitches I noticed at release (surprised people barely talked about it)Among other stuff, the direction of some of the scenes are some of the worst parts of the game. The scene with Sephirot killing people amidst the fire is so fucking slow, without any sense of impact. Aerith's murder was also a letdown, etc.
>>719412203For the slow I am saying the 3rd entry is likely to be cancelled do the company not being very good with money and not making any either>>719412641Did the animations have to look like they're from 2002? What was purpose of a fake out in the middle it's a fucking straight line THE SHIT YOU DEFEND
>>719412947nta, but that's why it doesn't make sense you moron.
>>719412345I think that would defeat the purpose, so hopefully not.
>>719412947Do you understand why people said "nobody know what you mean" now? That makes zero sense with the reality of what's happening. Either delusion, or trolling.
>>719412641Even the shitty Kunai climbing in NG3 is better than Rebirth's wannabe Uncharted shite
>>719412593DREAM LOGIChttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/aytNfjNjnIwunironically, I think that's why Sephiroth seems so slow in killing the mayor and townspeople in Cloud's flashback of Nibelheim. The dream-like "you're trying to get somewhere, but it's impossibly slow and you can't reach your destination"-kinda thing.I bet it's faster later when he realizes things.
>>719409317Pacing.ChudleyNot getting access to your full party. Now there is not a single point in the story where you can have all the characters unlike the original which ruins the impact of Aerith missingThe handling of Tifa's character as a wholeChudleyUnironically, too much focus on the shipping nonsenseZack existing within the story at all currently, which in turn, also kills the pacingThe cinematography, while pretty solid through most of the game, key scenes are completely botched due to very poor cinematographyChudleyThe fact the game ended at the end of disc 1
>>719413102>>719413171because your a blind retards that refuse to look at the real financial realities of the company and the slop you enjoy
>>719413294I think I"m the sole Chadley enjoyer in existenceBut then again, I turned off the "Chadley repeat" option that's on by default-dialogue for side-quests, so it's not nearly as overbearing.
>>719412593To top it all off there’s the crack in the sky looking an awful lot like the one we see in the og’s lifestream sequence. The devs remain adamant that this will not be a betrayal of the original game by the end, so I think you’re right in that we’re seeing familiar concept presented in an unfamiliar way.
I want a bitch built like Tifa who looks like Tifa and will cosplay as Tifa when we fuck
>>719413438I get extremely annoyed when a side NPC that has not much going on has more dialogue than most of the main cast
>719413389Ignoring that this is obvious bait at this point, even if what you said was actually true, it doesn't matter.That's not the kind of company SE is. They've got that retarded Japanese pride thing, and the conclusion will come out simply because it would look bad to them for it not to be.It's not like Nintendo with Metroid where they don't actually care (outside of Metroid's actual lead) about the IP in the first place. Same reason they were retarded enough to reboot FF14 (and they got super lucky in it actually working).
>>719413502>there’s the crack in the sky looking an awful lot like the one we see in the og’s lifestream sequenceIt's been awhile since I played the OG, I'll need to peruse some videos to see what you're talking about
>>719394106is this them finally admitting they can't fix it and get us back to crazy town again? greatest sin of rebirth is how boring it shits on the original at least remake was so in your face you gotta respect it even if you hate it
>>719413784Rebirth is like 10x better than Remake, though.
>>719413653It did the rounds a little after Rebirth released.
>>719413856I preferred remake but both were disappointing
>>719413887oh weird. nice job people remembering that, I completely missed it
>>719413856noone gives a fuck faggot it's why noone bought it and we're all here for the story anyways which is free on youtube
>>719413951subjective tastes and all that jazzit was easily my favorite game of 2024 (though the ending is way too all-over-the-place)
cope enix trying to build hype for christmas
>719414059I care what they say faggot. That's the entire point of these boards, to discuss. Stop whining like a bitch.
>>719414059>here for the storythe game came out in 1997
>>719414178no tendie is buying this
>>719414059Nobody gives a shit about the story for this train wreck either, after Rebirth it's clear they're just making it up as they go. The most fun thing is seeing how they'll utterly butcher the best moments from the original.
>>719414398They never played the OG./v/ is filled with schizos and shitposters
>>719414412that's what I was talking about>>719414482your replying to someone that's pretending this is still a remake retard-kun
>719414645That post was clearly about you pretending you ever played the OG, bait-kun
>>719413524based. i think we all do
He hasn't played OG. When Yuffie's DLC was announced he was mad Yuffie was in Midgar because according to him Yuffie should have been in Wutai "where you recruit her".
>>719414784>>719415195bots
>>719415195>He hasn't played OGguess we can't dismiss him as a purist then, what a shame
>>719362825I'm playing Rebirth rn.Is there a reason the main cast is so averse to just killing or maiming named characters?They kill soldiers by the hundreds, but then are shaken seeing the bodies Dyne left behind.They never go lethal on the Shinra Executives either even when they have the chance.Sometimes, I watch a scene and think to myself "What would Caim do?" lmao
>>719416029Heroes don't kill enemy soldiers. They merely knock them out.
>>719416123there's no way this can be truetheir bikes explode while going 200km/h because I hit them with a sword the size of a fridgeThey're fucking dead
>>719416123ah yes the moral complexities of barney the dinosaur now this is engaging storytelling
>>719416542Welcome to shounen anime and JRPGs
>>719416029Ludonarrative dissonance.
>>719416029You know the jrpg rules anon, characters only die in cutscenes.
>>719416029>>719416123>>719416625>>719416876>>719416907notice how the swine browbeat you with "of course it's shit" they have no argument
>>719417240
>>719417240in all games you kill hundreds of generic enemies but important characters get scenes and what have you. thats just the nature of a game
>>719416029>What would Caim do?lmao I think Caim would just make things 100x worse in almost every situation.The guy is just looking for any excuse to kill
>>719367160holy shit
>>719417714>just the nature of a gamemore of, the nature of 90s shounen writing. It works better when everyone is 50 polys total, otherwise you get >>719416876Heroes in 16 kill the shit out of the villains and it works better there. Clive hated Kupka and killed him, killed him without even bothering to explain the misunderstanding. Dion spears the shit out of his brat-ass kid brother.
how are they gonna fill two discs of content into remake 3
can i start rebirth without finishing remake part 1?i’m close to the end but it seems so boring and i just want to play rebirtham i actually missing anything?
>>719418598Disc 2 is shorter than 1 and half filled with revisits. Disc 3 is only the final dungeon.
>>719418702You could probably look up a short summary video for remake. There's a few important events such as Cloud joining avalanche, the bombings, Cloud meeting Aerith, the kidnapping, shinra building and the highway.
>>719418702kitase and nomura said you dont need to play remake or og before rebirth and called it a perfect starting point. you didn't need to waste your time on remake at all
>>719416029It's smoothing out the heroes to be more marketable. That's it. There's no in-universe reason.I remember playing VIII and thinking "Man, these cruel people are killing a lot of people." VII avoided that by having very few areas with human enemies and almost never having them as narratively designated main enemies of the particular scenario unlike VIII.
>>719418702No but Remake is still a very good game. The only thing that's pretty bad are some of the sidequests. But the adventure itself is very fun and endearing
>>719418598Part 3 only has to cover the second half of the story, Disc3 was never more than the last boss fight + end cutscene.They're probably going to add a lot of side stuff anyway.
>>719418975kitase and nomura are full of shit, honestly.you can technically do it without playing Remake first, but it feels all kinds of awkward if you doYOu don't need to play OG before any of them. It just gives you an extra layer of fun meta story if you do, but doesn't actually require knowing it.
>>719418970i’ve already done most of those things, i just dont feel like slogging thru the rest to get to the better game
>>719373119He's not just a tank, Red is also a berserker, which fits him real well.
>>719419225Can't wait for snowboarding a few hours after Aeris died!
>>719419225Including Cid and Vincent in Rebirth is the most disingenuous thing ive seen. Same with Nanaki in Remake
>>719419382If you've cleared shinra building and the highway you're good, then. The rest is just OC donut steel bloat.
>>719419628Hey, at least that's in line with the OG.
>>719419591Red's gameplay is honestly my favorite in Rebirth
>>719419225they're gonna cut ruby and emerald boss fights kekno knights of the roundkyrie replaces aeris at icicle inn
>>719419839fuck no...
>>719419702Nanaki I could kinda understand since it was literally the last hour of the game or so, with no fucking around allowed since unlike Rebirth it was linear.But there's no excuse for Vincent, Nibelheim in Rebirth happens at around 2 thirds of the game, and there's a lot of side content left at that point.
>>719419945>they're gonna cut ruby and emerald boss fights kekUnlikely, they already introduced Weapon as a concept, and although not proven yet, the whales are assumed to be infants of Diamond, Ruby etc.
>>719419957...fuck yes
>>719419945>they're gonna cut ruby and emerald boss fights kekProbably not, actually. It wasn't even a lot of people that fought them in the original (non-Japan original, I mean), mostly just super hardcore really-into-FF7-types.They seem to be making the Weapons for more integrated into the story besides just the one you have to fight. 3 will probably involve several fights with the Weapons directly part of the story (which also gives them reason to put more resources into making mechancis different for Weapon fights if they're more than one)
Will they kill off Scarlet?
>>719420379I imagine she and Palmer still die, they probably make it more obvious Rufus makes it out of the building though.
>>719367725Speak for yourself, Aerith is the most likeable character in video games to me, and I think Tifa is a dull doormat.
>>719419996You literally cant play them, they dont really do that much in the game even.
>>719410537>disrespectlooks quite faithful to me
>>719422043It's the other way around, you're missing the problem :They don't do much BECAUSE you can't play as them. SE's fuck up is making them not playable to begin with and then changing the events to try and justify it.
>>719387130>>719375606>>719375712I knew the map trickery in this game would work on most people because most people are retarded and lack an eye for details.The blinking map that anon posted is the zoomed-out world map, and when you zoom in to a closer view in the game, it changes entirely to the in-game version where the grasslands are ten times the size. Note how that little area that is the "real size" grasslands is a near-copy of the larger continent as a whole - this is the modern day version of going into a house in an old RPG and the inside is several times larger than the outside. I noticed it in the first hour of entering the grasslands in the game, and I was initially disappointed because it seemed like the map would be much larger.
>>719385954...you don't have to swap characters to give commands to other characters.
>>719422180That is why im saying including them as content is disingenuous
>>719422212>Note how that little area that is the "real size" grasslands is a near-copy of the larger continent as a wholeNice catch, but that's only for Grasslands, it doesn't really apply to the other regions, so something is definitely up.I believe the zoomed out map is the canon size and SE just cheated to make the in game map feel bigger than it actually is.Because there is no way you could walk from Midgar to Junon in just a few minutes (including the mines) like you can in game.
>>719416029Cloud tries to kill Shinra characters a few times. Someone always stops him. Even when it's fucking Hojo who literally just tried to kill them all and who is hated by every single character, even Aerith who doesn't hate anyone else.
>>719422353Oh I agree. What I'm saying is they should have been playable characters and the excuse doesn't hold up as well as it did for Nanaki in Part 1.
>>719422429It applies to all the areas, it's just most prominent with the grasslands. The big world map when you zoom all the way out is simply not the same as the actual in-game map that you also see when zoomed in to the region level.
>>719422436>>719416029Shit's stupid.
>>7193628257/10
>>719422531>The big world map when you zoom all the way out is simply not the same as the actual in-game map that you also see when zoomed in to the region level.Yeah, for sure. But my point is, the zoomed out map's proportions are more realistic (and thus probably canon), because the in game map size doesn't work as it makes the continents really small where you can walk from one end to another in just a few minutes.So I believe the zoomed out map is the canon size, in the end. The rest is just video game logic.
>>719422765Of course the zoomed out map is canon, the point is some people thought you canonically explore the whole thing.
>>719367842I think about that post all the time, even when it's not been posted. I spent days thinking about it after I first saw it.
>>719422897Not sure about canonically exploring, but you definitely go through each region's main points of interest canonically. Now what I believe is they're going to use some of the unexplored parts of the big world map in Part 3, except they will be resized down for gameplay purposes like they did in Rebirth.
