>Papa...what was Smash Bros like before the roster faggotry?>It was.....kino, my son. Pure, unfiltered, kino...
"roster faggotry" it's smash, that was always the point
>>719365743The Snake reveal is why we have rosterfaggotry in the first place
How to tell someone wasn't around for Japan Time.
>>719365743Brawl had the best newcomers in the series. SSE and events were fun and the final smashes and playing with friends was fun. Way better than the two newest ones. Not as good as 64 or melee though.
nigga you weren't even alive when japan time was a thing
>>719366504Yep. Though quite a few felt like they would have been in Melee if that had more dev time, this was ultimately to Brawl's benefit.
>>719366654Smash always sucked, sorry tendie.
Brawl chads >"Aw man I hope Mega Man or Sonic gets in haha! I love their games so much, man that'd be fun. But you know, I'm really excited for the new content in the game! There's a lot of it!"Smash 4 & Ultimate fags >"DERRRRR SHOVEL KNIGHT AND SANS AND HOLLOW KNIGHT ARE OBVIOUSLY IN IT DUDE! BRO YOOOOOOOOOOO THIS NEW CHARACTER FROM A SERIES I NEVER PLAYED GOT IN!? LET'S GOOOOOOOOO! huh? The game is gonna have minimal content, no real story mode, no trophies, won't even have tournament mode at launch? BUT BRO, BROOO, BROOO YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I CAN'T BELIEVE BANJO AND KAZOOIE IS IN I'M SUCH A HUGE FAN I ALWAYS WANTED TO PLAY THEIR GAMES!!!!"
>>719366785Smash fags>our retarded game for toddlers is actually goodChads who hate Nintendo>those smash players smell and their game sucks ass, lmao
>yet another OP insisting that brawl had no rosterfaggotryBrawl started the rosterfaggotry, contrarian zoomzoom.
>>719366504>SSE [was] funYou're remembering the cutscenes, not the actual gameplay.
>>719366871Find me one, just a SINGLE, instance of anyone, anywhere online saying a Brawl player smells or even has bad hygiene....Hmph. I thought so. Brawl chads stay winning
>>719366932>, not the actual gameplay.This is a thread about smash. No sane person likes smash and cares about about gameplay. There is none in smash
>>719366785Based. Plus 4 is where the interchangeable anime swordsman glut really kicked in. I could tolerate 2, especially since Marth and Roy were distinguished.
>>719366967I was at a con once and the whole Nintendo section smelled like open sewage, they had brawl and Pokémon, various Mario party games etc.
https://youtu.be/e3SkduyT8gc>The reveal trailer is over 20 fucking years old>It's so old the Wii was called the Nintendo RevolutionTake me the fuck back, it actually felt like a celebration of Nintendo back then....
>>719367150>wii>take me backFucking zoomers
>>719367232>Y-You have fond memories of a console from 20 years ago? Z-Z-Zoomer! HAH!I'll never understand why people embarrass themselves like this
>>719365743It's crazy how this game was spiritually vindicated in the long run after Sakurai gave in and made the games more competitive, Smash Bros is now associated with unbathed manchildren with smelly asses who groom kids.
>>719365743This would be an inner-circle hall of fame Nintendo classic if the gameplay was actually good. Brawl was the closest thing to a Nintendo museum ever released with stuff like Chronicle and Masterpieces.
>ackshually Brawl was the start of rosterfaggotryIf Sonic was revealed today, instead of a shadowdrop it would be a direct with a big CGI trailer going "SONIC ARRIVES AT SONIC SPEED" and all the youtuber manchildren scream and shout.
>>719367232>zoomerzoomers were <6 years old when wii came out, anoon
https://youtu.be/7Kv-2ybJwsc
>719367463that's nice dear, doesn't change the fact that brawl started rosterfaggotry by opening the floodgates for non-nintendo characters and shifting the focus to that
>>719365743>before the roster faggotry?>BrawlEveryone was talking about who they wanted in back then, and speculating who it would be. I remember for some reason everyone thought there was going to be a third third-party so there was a lot of debate over who it would be. Turns out it was no one lol
>>719367319>shit consoles that are only loved by the deranged and retarded aren't allowed to be mocked because it makes me cryKeep seething
>>719367573Keep seething fag
>>719367686Keep seething
>before the roster faggotry>THE game that ruined everything by introducing 3rd parties>Sakurai and HAL confirmed Smash 64 had people writing in wanting characters
>>719365743Brawl started it but strived to be more than rosterfaggotry. It was also the last time the devs truly gave a shit about the franchise.
>>719367463No shit. ecelebs were barely a thing yet and most people still had real-life friends. If Brawl was being made today and updates were being posted in the exact same format (just simple blog posts on a website), you can bet on there being attentionwhores trying to find a way cash in on faked reactions. They would probably just stream themselves refreshing the Brawl website until the update gets posted.
>>719365743japan time was really funny, people were legit terrified that ness and falcon were going to be cut
>>719369440
Smash
This thread fucking sucks
>>719365743Pic unrelated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHQXuXE8qc
>>719365743despite being the target audience for this game and an extremely casual but big melee fan my friends and I could still feel that the game's movement is wrong, captain falcon feels like shit because you jump and unlike mario 1 on nes your momentum instantly stops
>>719369440Heroes always arrive late…
>>719372194Kino.Zoomers will never understand.
>>719372194>the best part of brawl was a cutscene really says it all
Brawl was basically the perfect game apart from the gameplay
>>719374726>Brawl was basically the perfect game apart from the gameplayI want you to read this sentence again, sir.
>>719374726Luckily Project Plus exists
>>719366785Smash was more soulful when it was about Nintendo. Ultimate feels so soulless in comparison.
>>719365743I had way more fun with this game than any of the Smash's that came after.
>>719365743these two are why we have rosterfaggotry to begin with
>>719374726fixing it would have been simple.>nerf the fuck out of everything metaknight does>fix snakes hitboxes, nerf his weight and power>increase kill power of moves across the cast to ultimate levels>remove tripping>add sizeable grab protection window after being grabbed onceand then of course, online play needs to function exactly like it does in 4.that really wouldn't take all that much effort. just like so many other games, it's one GOOD patch from being the perfect timeless game but it will never happen. not now, not ever.
>>719376519Don't forget jump momentum, fundamental mechanic in any platformer.
So why did it take metafags 3 games to realize Sonic can just end the fight whenever he wants if he's up a stock
>>719376702I thought stalling was against the rules since brawl
>>719376798Maybe. I dunno, just seeing tier lists over the years Sonic has always been low or middle of the pack but suddenly he's 1 or 2.
>>719365743>we will never have subspace Emissary kino againFuck me
>>719376702characters could do it better than him in brawl and 4 had tods with a bunch of relevant characters
>>719376519>nerfing SnakeHell no, his DACUS is one of the most fun things to do in the entire series.
>>719377456DACUS?!
>>719365743pic unrelated btw
>>719365743and yet despite the hype, Brawl ended up being the absolute worst Smash game by far.
>>719366785It really feels like a pandoras box was opened when they started introducing non-nintendo characters.
>>719377618Yeah nice try
>>719378523In hindsight, Japan Time and the hype surrounding Brawl's release ended up being far better than Brawl itself.
>>719378848True but before release no one knew it played like ass. If it was Melee plus all the new stuff like most assumed going in it may have actually lived up to the hype.
>>719379136Yeah, okay, so we're in agreement then. I said "pic unrelated" to OP because there is nothing kino about Brawl. We all thought it would be. The game looked like the best thing ever before launch and the hype was through the roof, but the game itself ended up being pretty bad for a Smash title
>and yet despite the hype, Brawl ended up being the absolute worst Smash game by far.
>>719380276Yeah but fortunately modders salvaged that trashheap
>>719380276true tho
>>719365743brawl was where the shark got jumped
>>719365743man I remember getting this back then and not knowing who 80% of the characters were
>>719380507Not really since Ultimate is better than Brawl. in b4 greentext
>>719380530>gave zero shits about this Olimar guy>eventually checked out Pikmin>it's been my favorite Nintendo IP ever since
>>719380601I was VERY confused at Lucas and Ness (I still am)
>>719366289rosterfaggotry started with Cloud and you know it
>>719367232I was in college when Brawl came out. We had a Smash Bros club and it went wild. We were seeing 50+ people every week.
>>719379508That's only if you're a comp fag. If you're casual then it was great and lived up to the hype
>>719380657>>719366289"rosterfaggotry" happens in literally every fighting game. It's more pronounced in games like Smash that have access to a wide variety of IPs, but it's still in every fighting game. It's not exclusive to Smash and it certainly didn't "start" with any one particular Smash announcement.
>>719380683Man I wish I was social back in college when Smash 4 came out. Even if the game was lackluster it would've been a ton of fun playing with other college kids at a club
FACT: The reason Ultimates rosterfaggotry was so rampant was from the previous games roster being SO BAD that fans where desperate for good picks.
>>719377567Dash attack-cancelled up smash. Certain characters in Brawl can cancel the first few frames of their up smash into a dash attack. Snake is one of those characters, and doing so causes him to slide very far across the stage.
>>719365743the last non-rosterfag smash was melee
>>719380867>People were so desperate to prove this leak was fake that they said Shulk's face was copied from Little Mac's Kek
>>719380883>up smash into a dash attackother way around!Falco had a particularly potent one where he could actually combo his dash attack into upsmash. I think it was called the shotgun or something.
>>719381148gatling combo
>>719380867And it sure didn't get any better with Ultimate >Incineroar>Piranha Plant>Chromwon't even get into the dlc nonsense
>>719365743https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzSr2FbxyJcthis trailer is so fucking lame in hindsight but it got me more excited than any of the overproduced character reveals they do now.
People unironically like Post-PM smash?
>>719377914I wish they had gone the Soulcalibur route and only included a couple guest characters per game with no expectation that they would return. It still felt that way when Sm4sh launched, especially since the new guests were both 80's characters, but the Ryu DLC really set us down the path we're on now.
>>719381342Whenever I see fellow college kids playing on a TV in the campus cafeteria, 90% of the time it's Ultimate
>>719380867>>719381214To be fair, as the series goes on and the roster gets bigger and bigger, it becomes more and more difficult to make "good" roster additions since the obvious choices have all been done already. The early games already had the luxury of adding in the most obvious, popular characters. Smash 64 got to add the most obvious pics (Mario, Link) etc. Then, by the time you're getting to Melee and Brawl, you're filling in holes with characters that are still obvious picks, but didn't quite make the first cut (Dedede, Wario, etc.) By the time you get to Ultimate, what's left? We finally got Ridley, Simon, and K. Rool.... but you're getting to the "scraping the bottom of the barrel" point by then. So of course, the "rosterfagging" starts spilling out into wild 3rd party picks since there really aren't that many notable omissions from the Nintendo roster at that point.
>>719380657Even if you only meant the modern form of rosterfaggotry you're still wrong, it started with Mewtwo introducing DLC
>>719380867>Good picks>Bandana dee>GenoRosterfaggotry has ways been about wanting some arbitrary character in the game, it has nothing to do with the quality of the ones already in
>>719381647I'd take those two over fucking dr. mario or DARK PIT any day.
>>719381575There was a JP only poll held on the Smash 64 website where roster fagging got Bowser into melee, and Wario into Brawl though
>Smash creators get an amazing roster to the game. >Everyone complains about it calling it "rosterfagotry". You don't deserve ultimate.
>>719381759>amazing roster>500 literal who fire emblem shitters
>>719381759You're right, Smash fans deserve an actual content-rich game which isn't just adding as many characters under the sun as its selling point.
>>719380867I remember a buddy saying this roster was designed to piss people off.>No new DK character>Dark Pit>Four Fire Emblem reps (Six after DLC)>Dr. Mario>Bowser Jr.>Shulk, though this wasn't a bad pick, just an odd one>All the favorites like Ashley, Takamaru, Waluigi and so on became assists or guys like Isaac were MIA>Ridley reduced to a stage hazard>Mewtwo (At the time) still MIAAnd I agree.
>>719381847It's a fighting game what kind of content rich things were you expecting?
>>719381759I don't know why Smash is the only game where people get so autistically triggered over what is simply called "roster speculation" when it happens in literally any other fighter. Guessing which characters are going to make an appearance is part of the fun for all new fighting games, but for whatever reason, Smashtards are the only ones who get triggered by it
>>719380771Pretty much every night in college freshman year we would play six-player Sm4sh where the first to lose each round would pass the controller to the next person waiting. While it's probably my least favorite game in the series, those nights held some of my favorite memories of it. Ultimate came out senior year but by that point I was way too busy trying to graduate to get to play it.
>>719382002Im guessing smashfags don't play other fighters because as you said this happens in every fighter.
>>719381759We're paying money for this game, so we get to complain all we like. Cater to your customers or close up shop.
https://youtu.be/iyrviiQovYI?si=YS5EhJlZB1R3gsypSOVL OVERLOAD
>>719381759>Amazing roster
>Sakurai "We had to pull a lot of strings to get everyone here in Ultimate haha so it probably won't happen again.">Ultimate fags "DURRR WHAT DO YOU MEAN ? THE NEXT GAME ISN'T GOING TO CUT ANYBODY FROM THE ROSTER ARE YOU DUMB LOL GOING BACKWARDS FROM ULTIMATE WOULD BE SO DUMB DUDE, OHVIOUSLY EVERYONE IS COMING BACK IN SMASH 6!"
>>719382234>acting like you weren't all hyped for most of these.You can't lie to me i was there
Dude this whole board was in uproar when fucking Pokemon Trainer was announced. Please just admit to being sad you were unable to experience that.
>>719382416Exactly what's up with the historical revisionist here
>>719382316I wasn'tSorry but I have standards
>>719382416Red was in 2007. Everyone's talking about Smash For's newcomers. Remember that Pac-Man was shown in a private event, not the invitational where all the actual fans were present.
>>719382416>DUUUUDE the whole board of like 30 grandpas were in an uproar!!!!Take your meds unc, go to bed lol. You don't matter anymore
>>719365743Brawl rosterfaggotry was actually kinda fun to read. There were so many names you'd never seen brought up for the following games, like Vaati or Samurai Goroh or Takamaru or Monty Mole or Jill from Drill Dozer
>>719382515This board existed way before 2007. Are you you stupid?And the director's table for Pac-Man leaked here almost instantly. Within 24 hours.
>>719380546nonsequitur, you don't seem to have understood what other people were saying
>>719382538>Outing yourself as a newfag
>>719382234Dark Samus was a great choice, making her a clone was an abysmal choice
>>719382657I'm saying that no one is attacking Red. Everyone's talking about afterward. Of course Red was a newcomer.>And the director's table for Pac-Man leaked here almost instantly. Within 24 hours.An hour actually. The point is they didn't show Pac-Man at the invitational where it would make the most sense.
>>719381118A distant memory from better times
People exaggerate the amount of third parties
Brawl had the right idea in the two "surprise" appearances in sonic and snake but then people got the wrong idea from it and starting wanted a bunch of absurd picks that weren't from nintendo games, especially considering retro nods like ROB Smash was originally meant to be >a celebration of all things nintendoand then just went full wacky collab and became a parody of itself when you could have cloud, minecraft steve, joker and one of the seventy four thousand fire emblem reps throwing hands while mario and link are just like>Mama Mia! You're-a seeing this-a shit, right?>Hya! Ha! Hiyaa!to each other
>>719365743Samus and Fox probably fuck right
>>719382849I see what you're "saying," it's just backtracking and lies after being corrected. Go fuck yourself.
hahahaha pit and dark pit being able to have each other as a skin so it's basically just pit having two different skillsets
>>719382849*was a good newcomerTime for bed.>>719382980>correctedNigga please.
>>719382674Yeah and? I'm 19, so what gramps? You gon brag about bein in your 40s on a video game board? LOLBRUH REALLY THOUGHT HE HAD SOMETHING GOING
>>719382901I mean, not really. 16 of the characters are third party. imo third party should stay under 7
>>719383070your like a kid to meShut up kiddogo play your roblox shit while i play real games
>>719383160Gramps you're so old like bruh go make a family or something bruh fr
>>719383036Please nigga you are overdue for a lot of sleep. It unlocks thoughts.
>>719382901>3 out of the 11 fighters pass characters are first-partyYeah, they really do.
melee is a weed gamebrawl is not.
>>719380657You are insane, it started with Brawl for many reasons, but having 3rd parties was the main one.
>>719365743Best Smash game.64 is also basedMelee is full of trannies and rapists, Ultimate is full of trannies and child rapists
Hot take : it was inevitable that smash was going to become third party rosterfagotryLike after melee there's already nowhere to go but to make it a celebration of entire gaming not only Nintendo
>>719384317>InevitableNo it's because Sakurai is a bad director
>>719373871brawl is zoomer core
>>719376519>Didn't even address the main issue that is hitstun being nearly non-existent and SDI being so overpowered that almost all multi-hit moves are uselessYou didn't fix shit without either of that. And then even if you do that, the game is still incredibly floaty which makes matches drag on for ages.
>>719385969I do NOT care about le combos and escaping multihits with SDI is soulmatches drag on because smashes still fail to kill even after 100% simple as that
Real Brawl fans don't care about the dumb comp shit you Melee/Project M fans do
What do we think of Japan's taste?,
>>719365743This shit series for people too retarded (Nintendo fans) to get competent at real fighting games never had good threads, ever.
