What happened to Souls games?
this is true
>>719368542Nothing. You got better at playing them and once that happens they become kinda boring.
>>719368642This
>>719368542These are ordered incorrectly
They were never good to begin with.
>>719368642Not really. Since DS2, souls games turned to boss rush games. DeS was way more focused on its levels rather than its bosses unlike the later entries.
>>719368542>2011: Dark Souls is the best one>2025: Dark Souls is still the best oneNothing changed, really.
Any other series with only one good game?
>>719369142Viewtiful Joe and Bayonetta
>>719368542It went from 3rd person RPG to character action.
>>719368542it moved on from its dungeon crawler origins to an open world/action game.
>>719368542BB and Sekiro are right up there with DeS. DS1 is still the best though. DS2 was when the series jumped the shark.
>>719369245What’s wrong with viewtiful Joe 2?
>>719369779It's just not as tightly designed as 1. Same goes for the Bayonetta series
>>719368542Demon's Souls is trash. The rest is a landfil thobeitl.
Nothing, you just got old and feeble.
>>719369892DeS is kino
>>719368542ENB was right. Going open-world as the death of Fromsoft.
>>7193685421 - nostalgia, people like what they've experienced the first. the people that think 2 is the best in the series ever probably played 2 firstB) Souls bosses increasingly became balanced around multiplayer/3v1 (which is why the elden ring spinoff sounds like a good idea on paper)III. Demons Souls and Dark Souls were good but they literally sold too much. there's room for improvement but instead of improving the core formula they just tacked on more shit, they were terrified of losing sales numbers by actually tampering with it much other than "making it harder" see first pointbe grateful that they made your favorite game slightly differently like 7 times over and over again
Souls games are only REALLY good the first time you play through them. Understanding the pace at which you should go through a dungeon or area, the best way to take out enemies, learning boss patterns, and trying to piece together what the fuck is going on. It's a mystery game more than anything else. Once you know what's coming, what's around the bend, where the best items are, it starts to get repetitive.You can have some fun by revisiting them once or twice, but the combat doesn't have enough depth to carry it for thousands of hours.
>>719370580there's some fun in doing less practical builds that kind of suck but your game knowledge kind of compensates
>>719368542retards who hated playing the way devs intended ended up shaping how the games were made later on
>>719368542ironically, DeS is the epitome of the whole horse picture
Demon's Souls was just as uninspired s the rest since it reused copy assets from previous From games too. Level design is overrated and it's not good in souls games just like combat.
>>719371594>reusing assets is badonly if they shit out and copy-paste fifty bullshit enemies randomly just to fill out a dumb ass area... like lost izalith (the child's drawing monster was actually the best one somehow), or duke's archives, or nito's realm, or... well toilet hell had like three or maybe four whole different types of enemiesif an enemy or piece of furniture just works then bring it in again, as long as it's not shitFrom is overrated but they know how to follow a money trail
>>719371594level design makes the combat bearable
>>719371848If only the series had good enemy scaling to compensate for the shit combat and meme levels. Looks like good story is way out of their reach to make them even playable.
These games are tranny trash only enjoyed by troons.
>>719368542Elden Ring is the best one though.
fixed
They're all shit.
demon's souls is the worst one
>>719369142Pokemon but replace game with generation (gen 5 baybeee)
Let's just cut the bullshit and say they're all bad.
souls sucks assgive me upvotes
>>719373413At what? Wasting time?
>>719368542https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5PdpsfINA
>>719369390Not even good character action. Instead of balancing dodging the devs just made the bosses read your inputs and cheese if you choose to dodge.
These games are garbage. Glad younger zoomers know better and avoid this trash series.
>>719373840it do be like that
>>719368542Who needs clever non-standard design when you can just make an enemy spin like a top over and over while the player rolls around a bunch and people will call you a genius?
I hope Fromslop bites the dust and we're left with no soulsslop.
i liked literally every souls game. there is not a single one of these games i didn't like, i just like dark souls 2 and 3 less than the others, but they're all pretty great games
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>>719368542As someone who started with demon souls...Bloodborne>demon souls>dark souls 2>dark souls 1>dark souls 3=sekiro=elden ring
>>719378260This is kinda true but not really. Most jocks left the souls series after Bloodborne.
>>719370580Dark Souls 1 is still fun.>No respeccing>No fast travel until you get the lord vessel>Matchmaking system isn't autistic balance and coop-shit>The world design and item layout means that where you go at what time can be drastically different, replaying it feels more like navigating a mental map than the experience of suffering from Alzheimers that the new games bring
>>719368542From misunderstood what made souls games good. The world was what made souls games good. The boss fights were a capstone to your world exploration. Hell, some areas in Dark Souls didn't even some bosses and many were reused/demoted to normal enemies. The world in Demon's souls was varied due to its nature as a stage selector theme park like megaman. Dark souls' world refined this by maintaining thematic variety while also integrating everything into 1 contiguous interconnected landscape. Every game after this has tried to split the difference and failed miserably.
>>719368542They realized their games don't have to be good, just difficult, and people will still play them. Playerbase will make sure to deflect any criticism with "git gut" and bam, easy money.
>>719368542They listened to their audience WAYYYY too much.
>>719368642No but DS3 and Elden Ring were literally designed like that so I can understand the confusion. From seem to think the part people loved about their original games was rolling around the floor a lot.
>>719369142Dragon Age is surely the poster boy for this phenomenon. If anyone tries to tell me 2 is good then save yourself the trouble and go suck some big ol dick.
>>719368542Nothingnot a single one of those games is worth playing
>>719370580Then years later Zoomers discover DS1, play through entirely with a guide and wonder why they didn't enjoy it.
>>719371594How can it be uninspired when 90% of DS1 is just stuff they copied from DeS?
>>719368542I only liked exploration in these games. Actually fighting the bosses was the most annoying part and not because they're 'hard'. You could remove every single boss and the game would only get better.
>DeSkino>das1kino>bloodborne kino>sekiroall I hear are good things so I'll believe its kino>das3garbage>elden ring garbage>das2I found a small appreciation for it. It was a very janky, but cool fantasy game that did have its own feelings. It just shouldn't have been the sequel to dark souls. And if the graphics didn't get raped before it released.
>>719369142Zelda, with Phantom Hourglass.
>>719373364Neither does liking them
Bandai tainted everything after Dark Souls by convincing From Software the reason for their success was the Prepare To Die campaign
>>719382517Shut the fuck up retarded tourist
Why does /v/ hate Sekiro? It's the only fromsoft game I don't regret playing. Actually I loved it.
>>719369142Deus ExOperation Flashpoint
>>719368642Yeah. Pretty sure that's why I had such a blast with Dark Souls since it was the first entry I'd played, once the gameplay clicks, it becomes trivialised asides from fighting other players.
>>719369142Dragons Dogma.
>>719368542Dark Souls is better than Demon's Souls.Dark Souls 2 is a fine experimental piece.Dark Souls 3 is better than Dark Souls in every aspect except pure level design but it's not like the level design is bad.Bloodborne is a good sidegrade to the Dark Souls series.The only games that truly suck are Sekiro and Elden Ring.
Sequels and wanting to endlessly copy the DeS formula are what fucked it all up. A world where DaS2 and 3 don't exist is a world where Bloodborne has way more content. Where Elden Ring isn't a shallow, "realized" version of DaS2 and where the multiplayer fortnite garbage of Duskblood and Nighreign doesn't exist.
>>719378260>say dumb shit>"don't correct me"Ah, women. Can't live with 'em.
>>719370580I've had a lot of fun on DS 3 replays. 1 to a lesser extent as well simply because 1 is pretty damn easy after nothing is a surprise at all, but everything else about it is so good it's still enjoyable. 2 was such a mixed bag that I've never bothered replaying it because I know I'll lose interest in certain areas.
>>719379214lol
>>719368542>t. redditor who only played the remake
>>719382601 Imagine getting this assmad over someone pointing out how corporate meddling derailed a whole series. Bandai turned FromSoft from a studio making weird passion projects into a Souls-factory chasing viral marketing campaigns and half-baked open worlds. Keep seething, tourist.
>>719386919Redditors are the ones who jerk off the entire souls series the most LOL not knowing it's Assassin's Creed rehash tier
>>719383854/v/ermin got filtered hard by the chained ogrereminder that this board is full of gacha troons and turn based faggots (aka visual novels)they don't actually play real video games
They became bossrush type games since people complained about ganks and not being able to skim through an area to get to the bossfight
>>719368542>OP posts an image with the only logical rating of the seriesWhat's this now? How can this be?! OP is supposed to be a ragebaiting faggot, not a reasonable person!!!
>>719379214>as someone who started with demon souls remake and came here straight from reddit*FTFY
>>719378260>pseudo-intellectual fascist ideologiesHuh? What "fascist ideology" claims to be intellectually motivated? Aren't many fascist ideologies explicitly anti-intellectual?I swear democracy was such a big fucking mistake man, these people barely understand the meaning of words and get to vote lol (not that voting really does anything but still)
>>719388960Secondary retard
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>>719378260>woman>opinionThe funniest part is that if the entire world turned fascist tomorrow, women would adopt the new programming and become its most zealous supporters. They cave instantly to peer pressure, it's what they're built for.
Kids keep talking trash but DS2 is truly better than DS1 even DS3There are 2 types of gamer1. Just play, cheese game with Black Knight weapons, love fighting easy final boss, mind nothing else = saying DS1 best game2. Actually play the game:- Talk to NPCs to find out they will piss on you if you didnt buy anything and just leave the shop.- Roll into poison swamp to find out poison still building up even left poison area already.- Enemy attacks are fast and unpredictable.- Leveling one stat also increase other stats and it makes sense.- Depending on how many time player die, hollow appearance changed.- Has stat respec.- Power stance.- Unique backstab and riposte animations.- Player animation changed if stamina is drained out.- Jumping distance changed depending on player weight.- NG+ added new stuffs even NG+10 has new stuffs in it.- Hidden rewards and interactions with NPCs by trading with them.- Hidden challenge with proper reward for doing no death run.- How the hell a dude with thousand hours in game with no achivement gained?= DS2 is best
Went from being atmospheric dungeon crawlers to boss rush games because of the "prepare to die" shit.
>>719368542a misunderstanding of what made the games good and therefore a focus on the wrong priorities.
>>719390247Bro it's been years, it's over. It never has and never will be good, you can drop the contrarian act.
>>719390247HOLY BASED
>>719373840Congratulations for your tastes.
>>719390247>>719390506Trash game for retards
>>719390247ESLgods..I kneel>>719390464>act
>>719390247>Talk to NPCs to find out they will piss on you if you didnt buy anything and just leave the shop.Don't know what you're trying to imply with this but ok.>Roll into poison swamp to find out poison still building up even left poison area already.Nice detail, I guess, but this also happens in other games as well.>Enemy attacks are fast and unpredictable.No, they're not.>Leveling one stat also increase other stats and it makes sense.This happens in other games, too. >Depending on how many time player die, hollow appearance changed.Hollowification is pointless though, because it used to be the mechanic that regulated online play. Now, it only gatekeeps co-op but not invasions. Makes no sense.>Has stat respec.>Power stance.Yes, these are good aspects, I won't deny.>Unique backstab and riposte animations.Terrible backstab and riposte animations.>Player animation changed if stamina is drained out.>Jumping distance changed depending on player weight.Again, some nice details but hardly consequential. >NG+ added new stuffs even NG+10 has new stuffs in it.This is by far the best improvement the game made along with reworked covenants.>Hidden rewards and interactions with NPCs by trading with them.>Hidden challenge with proper reward for doing no death run.Yes, these are also nice details as well. Most people can acknowledge that the game had good ideas, but for every good idea it also has a bad one. and this is why it deserves all the hate or disappointment that it gets.>How the hell a dude with thousand hours in game with no achivement gained?
I just loooove DMC2 and Metroid Other M as well, they're the best ones.
>>719390247Based chang obliterates DS1 posers>>719390610Cringe redditor agrees with every point but insists he's right anyway
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>>719368542They are bad now
>>719368542Dark Souls 2 is the only good Souls game.
>>719392964Wrong
souls shit will never ever be replayable as older games like gothic/arx fatalis or one new indie game like noita
>>719382196I mostly just lurk but this post is so incredibly moronic you made me reply. Fuck you.
>>719392987DeS and DaS are highly replayable
Fromslop never made a single good game and it shows. Worse than Bethesda in every way.
>>719392964this
>>719393080Emil is a god
>>719390247Only guy with taste ITT
They were never good to begin with. Soulsslop ruined the vidya industry with lack luster combat and lazy story telling.
>>719393264Filtered
>>719392987>gothic/arx fatalis or one new indie game like noitaThose games are dogshit lmao
>>7193685422011: Action RPG2022: Zoomie 'git gud' wannabe action game with numbers pasted onto it to make it an ""RPG"" like a half dozen other games>>719390247Matthewphimosis (the guy everyone copy-pasted their opinion about this game from) even said it was better than most games coming out around that time, he just had some complaints about some things they could've done better. I guess it was reddit who turned it into this idea that the game is completely awful. It falls closer to the RPG side of the line still, so I don't find it so bad.
>>719368542FromSlop only listened to the "dude, bro, lol, it's hard, bro, dude!" performative gaymers struggling with Demon Souls, so they've stopped fleshing out the innovative designs defining Demon Souls and instead replaced all if them with vacous difficulity. There are a grand total of three entries in the entire franchise that aren't blatant copy-pasted (incl. glitches and performance issues etc) cashgrabs:>Demon Souls>Bloodborne>Sekiro
>>719368939*since after DS2DS2 is the least bossrushy game in the series. It's literally the only one where you need some effort to rush through areas
ds2 is ok but worst in the series btw
bump
>>719369142Most new IPs published by EA between 2006-2012
>>719368542elden ring sold 30 million copies which means all other companies are going to copy soulslop in the future to get a cut of that money. next years cod will be a souls game in first person. battlefield 6 will be the last non souls-like battlefield game.
They became a meme of themselves. Flanderization (it's used for characters in stories, but it also applies here). They gave up on making good design and levels and instead focused on making enemies difficult no matter what.Health sponge bosses, bait animations, input delay, input buffering, shit camera shit lock-on, AoE spam, all bad design practices just for the sake of making a difficult game.Fromsoftdrones will never care because they only care about difficulty, not design.
>>719397807>pic
>>719369390I hate you fags that think this lol.
>>719397952For there to be Flanderization the games had to have at least one good game which souls don't have.
>>719390247The most substantial difference between DS2 and 1&3 is 2's attack animation system which in some respects makes even Elden Ring look outdated.
>>719370580PvP was the only thing keeping it fresh. It was one of the coolest things about souls and Miyahacky decided to shit on it in ER.
>fromslopasmongold franchise
